[HN Gopher] Neuters: Lightweight front end to Reuters News
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Neuters: Lightweight front end to Reuters News
Author : walterbell
Score : 118 points
Date : 2024-12-29 23:42 UTC (23 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (neuters.de)
(TXT) w3m dump (neuters.de)
| rickcarlino wrote:
| Something similar for the Gemini Protocol ("modern gopher"):
| https://github.com/acidus99/NewsWaffle
| rattray wrote:
| Wish there was an example link on the project homepage. Or better
| yet, links to a few of the top current articles from the Reuters
| homepage.
| anakaiti wrote:
| It's literally on the home page: https://neuters.de
| thunderbong wrote:
| I agree with the parent comment, though - it wasn't obvious
| to me that this is the 'About' page of the site. Also, the
| link to go to the Home page is in footer right at the bottom.
| otteromkram wrote:
| Sorry you were having such trouble.
|
| On a positive note, the next time you land on a similar
| page, you'll know two more methods of finding a solution:
| 1. Check the URL. 2. Check the footer.
| szszrk wrote:
| Web pages have hyperlinks for us to use. Why would you
| ignore that?
|
| Going back to home page should be built in and easy. I
| had the same issue, mobile browsers don't even show uri
| properly or hide menu, so manually editing address is not
| exactly my first thought on how to navigate a web page.
| oneeyedpigeon wrote:
| > it wasn't obvious to me that this is the 'About' page of
| the site
|
| What kind of browser are you using? Aside from the url
| ending "/about", the first thing I see on the page is a big
| bold heading that reads "About".
| rattray wrote:
| I was using a mobile browser; on many mobile browsers
| it's hard to see/edit the URL, unfortunately.
| vivzkestrel wrote:
| wouldn't that be straight up illegal? just asking
| HideousKojima wrote:
| Why would it be?
| mongol wrote:
| Copyright infringment. But to be fair, perhaps the texts are
| licensed from Reuters to publish this way. It is unclear to
| me.
| throwaway81523 wrote:
| I did one of these some years back and used it for a while. It
| stopped working and I didn't bother trying to fix it. I can post
| the code someplace if anyone wants it. A page or two of Python.
| jingojango2 wrote:
| currently doing something similar with python, I'd love to
| deepdive your code, would github work?
| palmfacehn wrote:
| Ads don't offend me categorically. If publishers had text links,
| plain banners or any combination of content that added up to
| around 100kb sans images, I would probably consume more of their
| content and occasionally click an ad.
|
| Video interstitials, paywalls or modal dialogs asking me to allow
| megabytes of tracking requests are a deal breaker. Anything that
| annoys or slows me down is more expensive than the value of the
| content, which I typically want to skim.
|
| The content is rarely worth it. As it concerns Reuters, the same
| content will be parroted and recycled elsewhere. Legacy media is
| tone deaf from editorial policy to the nuts and bolts of how
| content is displayed.
| kristopolous wrote:
| From all evidence, this is probably pretty accessible for the
| blind. Thanks
| brokegrammer wrote:
| That's how news websites are supposed to look like. It's not good
| for revenue though, because there's no way to trick the user into
| clicking ads, nor dive into mindless scrolling.
|
| I wonder if it would be possible to align revenue generation with
| user experience, instead of both goals being incompatible with
| each other.
| usr1106 wrote:
| Possible yes, users would need to pay with money.
|
| Successful much less. Most users happily open bloat sites and
| pay with their privacy and being manipulated.
| oneeyedpigeon wrote:
| I would argue it's "begrudgingly" rather than "happily".
| bachmeier wrote:
| > Most users happily open bloat sites and pay with their
| privacy and being manipulated.
|
| You can use bloat sites and pay with your privacy and be
| manipulated for free or you can pay for the experience, but
| you'll be using bloat sites and pay with your privacy and be
| manipulated no matter what.
| ahmedfromtunis wrote:
| > That's how news websites are supposed to look like.
|
| No, news websites don't have to be this sterile.
|
| I think NYT is a prime example of how to merge classic text-
| based articles with multimedia content in a way that's
| beneficial to the consumer.
| anthk wrote:
| Use either Dillo or Netsurf with NYT and then we well talk.
|
| JS and ad bloat made HTML5 video and audio tags rendered null
| with no actual usage IRL.
| casey2 wrote:
| There is still plenty of design space between no JS and
| Carter licking his lips on the front page.
| ahmedfromtunis wrote:
| Just like how I don't try to run the latest edition of
| Flight Simulator on my 4-GB, GPU-less device; I also don't
| try to visit websites built with latest web features using
| browsers that are clearly not trying to support those
| features.
|
| NYT doesn't have to hinder its innovative efforts to create
| informative content just because of a couple of folks who
| refuse to admit that tech evolves over time.
|
| I understand that ads can be annoying, and for that I use
| ad blockers where necessary; but for everything else, I
| appreciate the advancements in the web tech capabilities
| that enable the creation of amazing stuff.
| oneeyedpigeon wrote:
| > I also don't try to visit websites built with latest
| web features using browsers that are clearly not trying
| to support those features.
|
| But good websites will let you, that's the point.
| ahmedfromtunis wrote:
| I find the nyt's website far more informative and way
| easier to use and navigate than this.
|
| So why is neuter a good website while nyt's isn't?
| oneeyedpigeon wrote:
| Well, tbf, I'm speculating based on the evidence
| provided. But, _if_ NYT provides a poor--or non-existent
| --experience to anyone, for example, without JavaScript
| enabled, then it fits my definition of "bad".
| flessner wrote:
| Most user will probably want images, slightly more styling and
| recommendations on what to read next... other than that it's a
| perfectly usable website for the everyday user, something that
| can't be said about most news sites today, sadly.
|
| I mean who even reads ad-spam websites in the first place? They
| used to host little bits of knowledge you'd search for... now I
| can reach that better via ChatGPT (eg. How to do mission X in
| video game Y)
|
| I can only imagine... I read some well crafted news, no ads, no
| malicious tracking, no ad-blocker-blocker popup, no newsletter
| popup - and at end of the article: "This experience was great
| because we're supported by XYZ company, they have no control of
| our editorial process" (with company logo). Tasteful, still
| supported by ads, probably completely unsustainable.
| l3x wrote:
| Similar (official):
|
| - lite.cnn.com
|
| - text.npr.org
|
| Unofficial:
|
| - 68k.news
|
| - skinnyguardian.xyz
|
| ... I'm sure there are plenty more!
| anthk wrote:
| Sadly https://68k.news it's broken.
|
| But you can alwyas either use gopher://magical.fish/1/news
| under Lynx or Dillo with the Gopher plugin or head to
|
| http://portal.mozz.us/gopher/magical.fish/1/news
|
| under any browser, even the ancient ones from the Netscape 4
| era.
| sitzkrieg wrote:
| https://brutalist.report/
|
| combines many sites
| dublinben wrote:
| Also CBC.ca/lite as well.
| shikck200 wrote:
| Some issues with pagination. I would recommend a non limit offset
| combo. Right now i get an error: "You tried to access /world/"
| when manually change the offset.
| theanonymousone wrote:
| Does anyone know about the legal implications of building such a
| "fronted"? Doesn't Reuters own the copyright zo the contents of
| their news articles? Can't they send a Cease & Desist (or worse)
| to the developer, given they are potentially losing some ad
| revenue?
|
| Or they can and simply don't bother?
| cbg0 wrote:
| If your alternative becomes popular they will sic their lawyers
| on you.
| donohoe wrote:
| Yes, it's copyright infringement.
|
| Yes, they can send a C&D to whomever is hosting the copies of
| their content.
|
| Yes, they are losing some minor potential ad income.
|
| They will likely bother if their legal department notices and
| thinks it rises to a level they must contend with. My guess is
| that it won't.
| theanonymousone wrote:
| Thanks. Is there some rule of thumb about how much should the
| article change so that the copyright doesn't apply any more?
| These points come to my mind:
|
| - There is a whole category of software called "news
| aggregators". Are they all infringers? How can they operate,
| apart from praying that the news outlet doesn't care?
|
| - News outlets quote each other, e.g. "According to Reuters",
| etc. Does that solve the copyright issue? Is it only the 100%
| verbatim copy that is copyrighted?
|
| Many thanks already for the insights.
| manfre wrote:
| Aggregators are references to content. Frontends are
| copies. You can't sidestep copyright with a "according to
| Reuters" preamble for the entire article text.
| layer8 wrote:
| The rules are country-specific. For the US, see https://en.
| wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#U.S._fair_use_factors. There is
| no simple rule of thumb.
| wgx wrote:
| Is there a viable way for me to make every site load like this
| (iOS)? And optimally toggle back to the "full site" if I want to.
| sunshadow wrote:
| I can make this in couple of weeks, but I need an incentive
| other than just having fun
| szszrk wrote:
| Firefox reading mode? It won't work with all sites, though. A
| lot of large sites are insanely broken, so Firefox doesn't
| propose reading mode at all, or nothing loads.
|
| Honestly, I have only one way with dealing with those: not
| using those sites.
| walterbell wrote:
| For individual websites on iOS, click the "aA" icon:
| Website Settings > Show Reader Automatically
|
| For every website on iOS: Settings > Safari >
| Settings for Websites > Reader > Other Websites
| sunshadow wrote:
| What made you use caddy in front of tiny-http? I guess tiny-http
| should be still fine on its own. genuinely curious
| lemagedurage wrote:
| Likely for its letsencrypt integration, maybe for HTTP/2 or
| HTTP/3
| anthk wrote:
| What I'd love it's either a public Web Rendering Proxy or
| Browservice.
| casey2 wrote:
| Awesome site, but it just made me realize that Reuters can't
| capture my mind share. Most of these articles can't even be used
| for small talk
|
| Also I clicked on a few 301s in a row
| oneeyedpigeon wrote:
| No feed?
| HelloUsername wrote:
| Related: "Libredirect" Addon to redirect certain websites to
| privacy friendly front ends
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32916318
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32288732
|
| Also "Redirector"
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29665373
|
| On Safari iOS you could try "Stop The Madness"
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31625804
| uncomplexity_ wrote:
| man i love the cleanliness
|
| sounded like a vasectomy site though haha
| klibertp wrote:
| TIL: Reuters has a REST API:
| https://www.reuters.com/pf/api/v3/content/fetch/articles-by-...
|
| But I can't find any reference for it, somehow. How did the
| author know how to write this
| https://github.com/HookedBehemoth/neuters/tree/master/src/ap... ?
| insin wrote:
| You can see calls to it in the dev tools Network tab when
| browsing Reuters.
| quinncom wrote:
| Very cool! I've added the following as a redirect in Kagi:
|
| ^https://(www\\.)?reuters\\.com|https://neuters.de
| mzd348 wrote:
| Looks like you've basically created an RSS frontend for
| reuters.com. Which is useful since they seem to have got rid of
| their own feeds. Would be nice if you could add your own feed so
| that neuters is actually readable via RSS.
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