[HN Gopher] Jimmy Carter has died
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Jimmy Carter has died
Author : gkolli
Score : 511 points
Date : 2024-12-29 21:08 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| bdangubic wrote:
| will go out on a limb here and say there will never be a US
| President like him - what a man, what a life! RIP
| csours wrote:
| When I think about presidents in terms of what they did AFTER
| their presidential term, it makes me very sad that Jimmy Carter
| was not re-elected.
| shmoe wrote:
| The model of a post-Presidency. RIP sir, go be with your wife
| now.
| mentalgear wrote:
| Rest in Peace, one of the last good presidents of the US.
| th0ma5 wrote:
| Lots of propaganda aimed at this man to undermine him. Still to
| this day people will say he was "a nice man" as a way to diminish
| his accomplishments and turn the conversation away from them.
| kamikazeturtles wrote:
| Of all the presidents I've seen in my lifetime, I think President
| Carter might be the only one who felt genuine and didn't exhibit
| narcissism.
| christianqchung wrote:
| Jimmy Carter feels very likely to be the last "normal person"
| who will ever be elected president. That doesn't absolve his
| presidency of mistakes obviously, but if you run through the
| list of presidents since him, the vibes point to that for me.
| JojoFatsani wrote:
| Normal people are not as humble and generous with their time
| as Carter.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| I think our culture needs some general awareness and
| "antibodies" against Narcissism, and emotional manipulation in
| general. People seem generally unaware of, and as a result
| easily manipulated and controlled by people with these
| behaviors. I only became conscious of it after reading a book
| about communication where I learned how emotional manipulation
| worked- and then realized I was in a relationship with someone
| doing this to me, and had been completely oblivious for years.
|
| Once I understood how it works, I can easily spot people
| including politicians using these quite simple manipulation
| techniques, and I feel quite stupid for not figuring it out on
| my own at a younger age.
| pizza wrote:
| What's the book?!
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| "When I say no I feel guilty" which is about assertive
| communication, which is essentially the opposite of
| emotionally manipulative communication. Also the blogger
| "The Last Psychiatrist" has good information on Narcissism.
| heresie-dabord wrote:
| You have seen many things in your lifetime, friend, from
| representatives of the genuine goodness of the US (Mr Carter,
| Mr Biden) to the corruption of the information society and the
| dismantlement of democratic principles.
| LorenDB wrote:
| I may be speaking out of turn here as somebody born in this
| century, but after reading the book _The Man I Knew_ I have
| held a high regard for George H. W. Bush. He, like Carter, was
| a great human who really cared about others.
|
| Again, for all I know, he could have presented himself
| differently during his term in office, but after his term was
| up, his life seems genuine to me.
|
| https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55648822-the-man-i-knew
| jtwoodhouse wrote:
| Carter proved it's never too late to add a new chapter to your
| story if you're still alive.
|
| He was much more influential as a diplomat after his presidency
| than during it. RIP.
| siltcakes wrote:
| Carter was the most pro-Palestinian president of the 20th
| century. It's worth reading his book _Palestine: Peace Not
| Apartheid_.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid
| insane_dreamer wrote:
| He was the first American president to broker a serious Middle
| East peace agreement between Israel and a Middle Eastern nation
| (Egypt) - the Camp David Accord.
| mouse_ wrote:
| You're telling me this guy wrote a whole book urging "Free
| Palestine" in 2006?
|
| I did not know that, thanks.
| Eumenes wrote:
| Can someone explain whats going on in this pic of Bidens and
| Carters? https://apnews.com/article/jimmy-carter-government-and-
| polit...
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| Older people shrink and there's a bit of (unintentional?)
| forced perspective going on
| mohaba wrote:
| A very wide angle lens.
| sgammon wrote:
| nyt now has it:
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/29/us/jimmy-carter
|
| https://archive.is/tbb2v
| jmclnx wrote:
| Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people
| believed in the 80s.
|
| I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much
| better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate
| Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now,
| which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in
| around 70 years from now.
|
| For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy.
|
| RIP, he did a lot to help regular people through his life, far
| more than our current crop of politicians.
| khazhoux wrote:
| > For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy.
|
| Explain?
| jmclnx wrote:
| Kennedy split the split the Democratic Party, causing people
| not to bother to vote. Plus it gave Reagan many talking
| points, which then started the move of Union People to the
| GOP.
| JadeNB wrote:
| In case it helps to clarify, probably Ted Kennedy, not JFK.
| christianqchung wrote:
| After Ted Kennedy killed a woman[1], he never should've tried
| to run for president. And I say that as a Cape Cod native. When
| he finally died in 2009 he was literally replaced in the Senate
| by a Republican, throwing the Democrats into chaos.
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
| DonHopkins wrote:
| As the bumper sticker went:
|
| "More people died at Chappaquiddick than at Three Mile
| Island."
|
| On the "October Surprise" topic that other posters have asked
| for more information about -- it's a fascinating story that
| ultimately leads to the Iran-Contra scandal:
|
| Here's a transcript of a 1987 broadcast by The Other
| American's Radio about the October Surprise:
|
| https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/october-
| suprise...
|
| And a paper I wrote about it in 1988 for a university writing
| class, with lots citations to sources I looked up in
| newspaper microfilm archives (what researchers had to do
| before google and youtube and wikipedia were a thing), plus a
| couple links at the end I added later when I transcribed it
| to html, once the world wide web existed:
|
| https://www.donhopkins.com/home/documents/OctoberSurprise.ht.
| ..
|
| Here's my criticism of Carter's response to the hostage
| crisis, and a description of the failed hostage rescue
| mission that Oliver North, Richard Secord, and Albert Hakim
| sabotaged, years before they caused the Iran Contra Scandal
| by trading arms to Iran for money and hostages, then
| illegally channeling the money to the Contras:
|
| >III. Carter's Response
|
| >From the beginning, President Jimmy Carter gave the hostage
| crisis a high profile. It was the focus his and his country's
| attention, day after day. But that was exactly wrong approach
| to take if he wanted to get the hostages out, without making
| it seem like he conceded to terrorism. Not only did the
| Iranians benefit from the publicity, but the constant crisis
| took time away and attention from other important problems,
| like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the 1980
| presidential election.
|
| >What Carter should have recognized was that there were
| different factions in the Iranian government competing with
| each other for power, and the hostage situation would go on
| as long as the Iranians could use the situation to their
| political advantage. If there was not as much attention on
| the hostage crisis, it would have not been as useful a
| propaganda tool.
|
| >The President threatened a military response if the hostages
| were harmed or put on trial. The threat was deterrent, not
| coercive. Such threats are most effective at keeping somebody
| from doing something they haven't already done. The threat
| worked. Iran stopped saying they were going to put the
| hostages on trial and execute them.
|
| >Carter considered several courses of military action. He
| decided not to mine Iranian ports, as that would interfere
| with other countries, and might provoke the Iranians to harm
| the hostages. He did however order that a rescue plan be
| drawn up, but he hoped it wouldn't have to be used.
|
| >The other effective measures he took were to freeze Iranian
| monetary assets, and to impose an arms embargo and economic
| sanctions. His goal was to get other countries to go along
| with the embargo and sanctions.
|
| >IV. The Hostage Rescue Mission
|
| >On April 23, 1980, an abortive Iranian hostage rescue
| mission took place, conducted under the utmost secrecy. The
| plan was to storm the American embassy in Tehran, and bring
| home the hostages.
|
| >8 helicopters, 6 C-130 transport planes, and 93 Delta force
| commandoes secretly invaded Iran. They were to rendezvous at
| a place in Iran they called Desert One, move out to another
| point called Desert Two, and then go on to Tehran to rescue
| the hostages. But Delta force never made it to Desert Two or
| Tehran. The mission was aborted after three of the eight
| helicopters failed, on the way to Desert One. The operation
| was a miserable failure, resulting in an accident that caused
| the loss of 8 American lives. Later investigation revealed a
| surprising level of negligence. [4] [7] [13]
|
| >Just before the rescue mission took place, several other
| countries had finally agreed to level economic sanctions on
| Iran. Some of them agreed to the sanctions because they
| thought that if they did, the U.S. would not take any
| military action. They were quite irate when they heard about
| the rescue mission after the fact.
|
| >At least three central figures in the Iran-Contra Scandal
| were involved with the Iranian hostage rescue mission:
| Secord, Hakim, and North.
|
| >General Richard Secord helped to organize the abortive
| rescue mission. After the first mission failed, he was the
| head of the planning group that eventually decided against
| another rescue attempt. Because the whereabouts of the
| hostages were unknown, the second rescue attempt (the October
| Surprise that the Reagan-Bush campaign was so worried about)
| never happened.
|
| >Secord was later suspended from his Pentagon post because of
| the EATSCO probe. EATSCO is a company that belongs to Edwin
| Wilson, the CIA operative who is currently serving time in a
| federal maximum-security prison for, among other things,
| secretly supplying 43,000 pounds of plastic explosives to
| Kadaffi. [21]
|
| >In 1981, he became Chief Middle East arms-sales adviser to
| Secretary of Defense Casper W. Weinberger. [21]
|
| >Albert Hakim is a wealthy arms merchant, an Iranian exile,
| and CIA informant, who had a "sensitive intelligence" role in
| 1980 hostage rescue. He worked for the CIA near the Turkish
| boarder, handling the logistics of the rescue mission in
| Tehran. Hakim purchased trucks and vans, and rented a
| warehouse on the edge of Tehran to hide them in until they
| were needed for the operation. Unexpectedly however, he
| skipped town the day before the rescue mission. [2] [13] [25]
| Later on, in July, 1981, Hakim approached the CIA, with a
| plan to gain favor with the Iranian government by selling it
| arms. [22]
|
| >Oliver North led a secret detachment to eastern Turkey. He
| was in the mother ship on the Turkish border awaiting the cue
| from Secord to fly into Teheran and rescue the hostages. [2]
| [25] After the first aborted rescue mission, he worked with
| Secord on a second rescue plan.
|
| >According to the October Surprise theory, Secord, North and
| Hakim did not intend Desert One to carry through. The
| miserable failure of Carter's Desert One rescue attempt may
| have been deliberate.
|
| [More intriguing details about the sabotage, election, Iran
| Contra Scandal, and citations in the full paper: https://www.
| donhopkins.com/home/documents/OctoberSurprise.ht... ]
| christianqchung wrote:
| This is very informative, thank you. I've always been
| curious exactly what went wrong with the hostage situation,
| and this seems like reasonable analysis to me.
| chiph wrote:
| One of the Lockheed EC-130E Hercules from Operation Eagle
| Claw[0] (callsign Republic 5) is on display at the
| Sullenberger[1] Aviation Museum in Charlotte NC. Totally
| worth taking a look if you have a 4+ hour layover there.
|
| A former neighbor's dad was one of the hostages, and he has
| a photo from the reception that Reagan hosted at the White
| House for them.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
|
| [1] Yes, _that_ Sullenberger. The Airbus A320 from the
| Hudson is on display there.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullenberger_Aviation_Museum
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| >From the beginning, President Jimmy Carter gave the
| hostage crisis a high profile.
|
| As someone who remembers that era, I'm not entirely sure I
| agree with that. I don't think Carter himself made it high
| profile as much as the media did. The ABC News show
| Nightline started then as a nightly report on the latest in
| the hostage situation. Every night it would start with "Day
| XYZ: America Held Hostage!" (where XYX had been the number
| of days. The Right wanted Carter to bomb Iran "back into
| the stoneage".
|
| As for the rescue attempt, there were significant problems
| including equipment failure - new helicopters that weren't
| really battle tested, for example (this led to a lot of
| soul searching as to whether there were problems with
| military procurement, for example). Yes, Carter probably
| shouldn't have agreed to it.
| anonnon wrote:
| Kennedy killed _at least three_ different attempts at
| universal healthcare by three different presidents (Nixon,
| Carter, and Clinton) because he delusionally believed he not
| only could win the Democratic nomination for President (he
| never did), but that he could win the general election,
| Chappaquiddick baggage and all, and that universal healthcare
| would be _his_ legacy--a kind of new New Deal. This isn 't
| just my interpretation of him and his actions, but Jimmy
| Carter's himself, who went so far as to express
| uncharacteristic spite towards Ted for this very reason: http
| s://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2010/09/16/12991...
| christianqchung wrote:
| Every time I've read about an opportunity for universal
| healthcare to be passed, something apparently
| insurmountable always crops up. I was too young during the
| Obama debates to read about this, but I read more about it
| a decade after. Carter expressing frankly what reads like
| rage to me makes it feel like the closest chance we had,
| but I haven't read into the specifics.
|
| That aside, when I read about downsides of universal
| healthcare in America, I still think the tradeoff is worth
| it. Even if it means wait lines and decades slower drug
| discovery, if it meant measurably less rage at the system,
| I would support it. I know this isn't the thread topic, but
| the public polled reactions to literal assassination being
| not particularly negative points to how unpopular the
| current system is, despite other measures showing it as
| popular.
|
| Anyway, screw the (political) Kennedy family. Seriously.
| anonnon wrote:
| My post wasn't about universal healthcare, but to point
| out to the progressives who downvoted you that Ted was
| instrumental in thwarting it _three different times_ ,
| and that he likely did so for purely selfish reasons, and
| that given all of his other baggage--including the fact
| that he was the textbook definition of a "nepobaby," born
| with a silver spoon in his mouth, admitted to Harvard as
| a legacy, expelled for cheating on a Spanish test and
| _then readmitted_ for "reasons"--he shouldn't have much
| posthumous appeal to non-boomer leftists, who obviously
| don't "remember where you were when JFK was shot."
| jfengel wrote:
| That replacement didn't last long. The Democrats had an
| absolutely historic filibuster-proof majority. It's a bit odd
| that blue Massachusetts would choose a Republican, even a
| relatively moderate one, to replace Kennedy, but for the
| Senate as a whole it was something of a reversion to the
| mean. He did not win re-election, and was replaced by
| Elizabeth Warren.
|
| It did derail the Democratic agenda, but mostly because
| Republicans made it their mission to ensure that Obama was a
| one term President. That has been policy ever since, and
| effectively zero legislation has come out of Congress since.
|
| Democrats did manage to finesse the sole legislative
| accomplishment of the last couple of decades, the Affordable
| Care Act. In a lot of ways it was a fairly trivial change to
| the health care system, but getting anything passed at all
| was, in the Vice President's words, "a big [effing] deal".
| christianqchung wrote:
| I actually think the Green New Deal (aka Inflation
| Reduction Act), CHIPS Act, and the extra $500B in
| infrastructure spending totalled together probably overtake
| the strategic importance of something like the ACA. But to
| each their own, most people disagree with that view.
| sroussey wrote:
| The ACA was a huge change. People generally know about the
| parts about mandates et al.
|
| The provisions for moving beyond paper was one of the
| biggest, and most relevant to people here. Examples are the
| use of electronic records, the incentives to actually use
| them (both for patents and for metrics), etc.
|
| Due to the market power of Medicare, it also changed
| payments from per procedure to per outcome.
|
| Many of these changes were quite deep. I would not use
| trivial to describe it.
| warner25 wrote:
| > It's a bit odd that blue Massachusetts would choose a
| Republican, even a relatively moderate one, to replace
| Kennedy
|
| It feels that way, but let's remember that Republicans have
| held the governorship in Massachusetts for most of the past
| 30+ years. That's an interesting broader phenomenon,
| though. A number of other states have turned reliably blue
| in congressional and presidential elections while voting in
| Republican governors. New Hampshire is like that, and I was
| recently surprised the learn that Vermont is too.
| acdha wrote:
| The big one I wish he'd been able to do was getting a U.S.
| nuclear network going like France has. It'd be nice to have now
| but they're so slow to build that a 40 year head start would've
| been invaluable.
| bb88 wrote:
| Three Mile Island and then Chernobyl kinda killed that dream.
| Both had bad actors trying to cover up the leak, and caused
| the nuclear scare to go even worse.
|
| France also has majority ownership of the nuclear plants,
| something that would never fly in the US (because
| Socialism!).
|
| Even when I was an intern at a power company, the leaders
| there saw the nuclear power plant the company owned as an
| "albatross around their neck".
| Terr_ wrote:
| Over in Washington, the Hanford nuclear site is a big
| demonstration that we haven't _really_ solved the holistic
| problems of nuclear waste.
| wbl wrote:
| The Hanford site could be solved with a bunch of cement
| but we promised to restore. Now of course we don't dump
| waste the same way.
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| Look a little harder.
|
| The people living through the 1970s knew how bad he was and
| chose to put him out. He had bad staff, bad relations with the
| overwhelmingly Democratic Congress, and we got the Mayaguez,
| iran hostage, stagflation, and other troubles too many to list.
|
| He was a bad president, a good man, and a great ex-president.
| metabagel wrote:
| Stagflation was a result of the guns and butter policies of
| the Vietnam war and the oil crisis.
|
| Carter wasn't responsible for the Iran hostage crisis.
| bwanab wrote:
| While I disagree with your verdict, those are all valid
| points. I don't think stagflation can really be pinned on
| him, though.
| macrocosmos wrote:
| Most people I've spoken to about Jimmy Carter who were alive
| at the time seem to say the same as you. I've heard that
| living in America at the time was depressing and
| embarrassing. I have a feeling a lot of the praise for the
| man is from people who weren't even around when he was
| president but have been fed some story about how he was
| great. I see a lot of praise for him online yet it's very
| hard to find from the lips of American who lived through it.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| He appointed Volcker, who ended stagflation eventually. And
| his predecessor was appointed by Nixon so it's hard to blame
| Carter for this.
| bwanab wrote:
| I lived in the Knoxville/Oak Ridge TN area at the time. Under
| Carter the TVA had built full working house demonstrations of
| solar, geothermal, and passive cooling homes. They were all
| cancelled shortly after the 80 election.
| paulddraper wrote:
| > to me he was a much better president then people believed in
| the 80s
|
| It would be hard to be worse
| xattt wrote:
| > the US would be in a much better place
|
| This would have been the case with Gore (2000) and Clinton
| (2016) too.
| llm_trw wrote:
| Gore was a bigger warmonger than Bush in the 2000 election. I
| don't see how we would have had a better outcome with him in
| power.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6nW2Uow-
| zk&pp=ygUeQnVzaCBub...
|
| In case you don't believe that.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| Ironically he did more deregulation than Reagan yet somehow we
| don't remember it that way.
|
| For his electoral loss it's just that Carter was never
| interested in the political manoeuvring. He was never going to
| have a good chance.
| llm_trw wrote:
| And yet people will mock you for saying that both parties are
| the same.
| bdangubic wrote:
| that is because in america a large majority of people's
| entire identity is tied to one of the two political
| parties. there are no liberals who believe is small
| government and state's rights, no conservatives who believe
| in woman's rights or that america would collapse without
| immigrants... for majority of people every single opinion
| and thought they have just magically lines up with one
| political party - maaaagic... hence, saying both parties
| are the same will effectively offend everyone :)
| lisper wrote:
| With good reason.
| yyyk wrote:
| >it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have
| begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now
|
| That's a common myth. 70s energy policy was a result of the oil
| crisis, not environment concerns.
|
| Sometimes the result was conductive to the environment (e.g.
| efficiency increases), sometimes it was way less so (various US
| gov research into _more polluting_ alternatives like synthetic
| oil or shale oil), and sometimes it was just silly (like Carter
| banning nuclear waste reprocessing which set back that entire
| industry).
| wombatpm wrote:
| He had Kennedy trying to steal the convention and Jon Anderson
| running as an independent. But the hostages sunk his
| reelection.
|
| To paraphrase Cicero: were it not for the fact he had been
| president, Carter was the kind of man that everyone would say
| he would make an excellent president.
|
| RIP Mr Carter
| consumer451 wrote:
| Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. I always gave
| the gang behind Reagan a lot of credit, since it is now
| historical fact that they conspired with a foreign power to
| hold the American hostages until after the election.
|
| > A Four-Decade Secret: One Man's Story of Sabotaging Carter's
| Re-election
|
| > A prominent Texas politician said he unwittingly took part in
| a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine agenda.
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-...
| award_ wrote:
| He sure seemed like a legitimately good man.
|
| I think one of my favorite stories about him is that he helped
| resolve a nuclear reactor meltdown
|
| https://www.military.com/history/how-jimmy-carter-saved-cana...
| DonHopkins wrote:
| SNL gave him a lot of shit, but SNL's "Ask President Carter"
| skit was perfect:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-68iTvhWNB0
|
| Jimmy Carter will always be my favorite Amazing Colossal
| President, as Rodney Dangerfield described in the SNL "The
| Pepsi Syndrome" sketch:
|
| https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=533858710873763
|
| https://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78ppepsi.phtml
|
| Dr. Casey: "It means, Mrs. Carter, your husband, President
| Carter, has become [camera zooms in on Dr. Casey] the amazing
| colossal president."
|
| Mrs. Carter: "Well, how big is he?"
|
| Dr. Casey: "Well, Mrs. Carter, it's difficult to comprehend
| just how big he is but to give you some idea, we've asked
| comedian Rodney Dangerfield to come along today to help explain
| it to you. Rodney?"
|
| [Rodney Dangerfield enters]
|
| Rodney: "How do you do, how are you?"
|
| Denton: "Rodney, can you please tell us, how big is the
| president?"
|
| Rodney: "Oh, he's a big guy, I'll tell you that, he's a big
| guy. I tell you, he's so big, I saw him sitting in the George
| Washington Bridge dangling his feet in the water! He's a big
| guy!"
|
| Mrs. Carter: "Oh my God! Jimmy! Oh God!"
|
| Rodney: "Oh, he's big, I'll tell you that, boy. He's so big
| that when two girls make love to him at the same time, they
| never meet each other! He's a big guy, I'll tell you!"
|
| Mrs. Carter: "Oh no! Oh Jimmy! My Jimmy!"
|
| Rodney: "I don't want to upset you, lady, he's big, you know
| what I mean? Why, he could have an affair with the Lincoln
| Tunnel! I mean, he's really high! He's big, I'll tell you! He's
| a big guy!"
|
| Mrs. Carter: "No! No! No!"
|
| Denton: "Rodney, thank you very much. You can go."
|
| Rodney: "It's my pleasure. He's way up there, lady! You know
| what I mean?"
|
| --Saturday Night Live, Season 4: Episode 16, "The Pepsi
| Syndrome" skit, Apr. 7, 1979
|
| And poor old Billy always got the cardboard box.
|
| https://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78ncarter.phtml
|
| >SNL Transcripts: Gary Busey: 03/10/79: The Carters In Israel
|
| [...]
|
| >Lillian Carter: Jimmy.. Jimmy.. I've come to talk to you about
| your brother.
|
| >President Jimmy Carter: Oh, Mama. Let's not talk about Billy
| now.
|
| >Lillian Carter: Ohhh.. Jimmy, you've gotta remember that it
| hasn't been easy for Billy. You were the oldest and the
| favorite - you got the wagon, he got the cardboard box; you got
| the bicycle, he got the cardboard box; you got the brains, he
| got the cardboard box.
|
| [...]
| grecy wrote:
| > _He sure seemed like a legitimately good man._
|
| And I think this is where politics around the world has gone
| wrong.
|
| A decade or two ago I would genuinely have been happy for the
| leader of a country, or mayor or whatever elected leader to
| date my sister or to watch my kids or something like that.
|
| These days it feels like the most narcissistic a-holes get
| voted in. I wouldn't trust these people with my dog, and
| basically every country is suffering for it.
|
| (Jacinda Ardern being the massive exception. I'm sure there are
| more exceptions too)
| matsemann wrote:
| Yesterday I watched an episode of a tv-show here in Norway
| ("A-laget") where people with severe autism, downs and
| similar interviews famous people. This episode was them
| interviewing our prime minister. And he was honestly so
| sweet, even when they asked questions with no filters. He
| also visited a ski-podcast I listen to, and there as well he
| came across as a very likeable guy.
|
| I don't vote for him, but I honestly think he's a good
| person. I hope we avoid getting the same kind of rhetoric and
| harshness when we have our election next year, that we've
| seen in recent years in other countries.
| grecy wrote:
| Good to hear there are more world leaders that are
| genuinely good people.
|
| I hope we can make it "normal" again around the world.
| bowsamic wrote:
| It will happen everywhere, it's where the incentives push
| towards
| moomin wrote:
| Best President US has seen in modern times, the campaign that
| unseated him bordered on treason.
| gamesbrainiac wrote:
| Is there any book or article that expounds on this further?
| pizza wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory
| lelandfe wrote:
| RIP Jimmy Carter. A model of living meaningfully in old age.
|
| The Onion has many funny bits on the guy's age[0]. "Former
| President Jimmy Carter, 98, announced Tuesday that he had gotten
| his recent vasectomy reversed," "Jimmy Carter Makes Pact With
| Dianne Feinstein That If Both Single In 50 Years They'll Marry
| Each Other,""Jimmy Carter Concerned Desire For Fresh Faces In
| Democratic Party May Hurt His Chances In 2020"
|
| I always hoped he read those and would laugh - he seemed the type
| of guy that would.
|
| [0]
| https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Ftheonio...
| MrMcCall wrote:
| He gave his life to compassion in service to all of humanity.
| onetokeoverthe wrote:
| https://www.cfr.org/conference-calls/conversation-jimmy-cart...
|
| Conversation, part of the Council on Foreign Relations' History
| Makers series.
| dredmorbius wrote:
| From May of 2012, as the dateline's somewhat obscure there.
| neom wrote:
| If you didn't follow what Jimmy Carter did after his presidency,
| this short habitat for humanity vignette highlights it well -
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajWLdawnCPU (11 mins)
| benatkin wrote:
| Hard for me to draw inspiration from that, at least compared to
| Al Gore.
| https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3p3CYauiX8oLjmwRF/purchase-f...
| neom wrote:
| As the CEO of Habitat for Humanity says in the video, it was
| for marketing, not the houses he literally built. "I don't
| think anyone would have hear of Habitat for Humanity If
| President and Mrs. Carter hadn't gotten on that bus in 1984"
| - They've since gone on to build over 800,000 homes - he
| could have easily not gotten behind them in such an earnest
| way year over year.
| benatkin wrote:
| And the video has 16 upvotes on YouTube? Not that I wish it
| had more, because Habitat for Humanity might not be among
| the best major humanitarian charities.
| https://www.propublica.org/article/habitat-for-humanity-
| broo...
| lelandfe wrote:
| Sadly, things in the 80's tended to get few upvotes on
| YouTube. But Carter really was the real deal: https://en.
| wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_%26_Rosalynn_Carter_Work...
|
| > Habitat for Humanity might not be among the best major
| humanitarian charities
|
| Habitat-NYC is an independent affiliate, with its own CEO
| and everything.
| benatkin wrote:
| If I was running a charity like that, I would try to
| curate the main YouTube account and make it so
| practically everything gets at least hundreds of likes.
| pfdietz wrote:
| Carter was also an illustration of the advances made in cancer
| treatment.
|
| His aggressive melanoma responded very well to immune therapy.
| NoLinkToMe wrote:
| An example for many, sad to hear of his passing. Really quite an
| inspirational man.
| robotmachine wrote:
| .
| madihaa wrote:
| Refused to put one toe in 2025 and I can't really blame him.
|
| Lots of respect for this man, he had a long life and lived well.
| stopping wrote:
| This is a duplicate of the following reddit comment:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1hp5r20/comment/m...
| aspenmayer wrote:
| Thanks for calling this out, as it is almost certainly
| against HN guidelines to karma farm or post other's comments
| as your own. Not the first time either, as I've seen people
| post links that were in OP as comments as if they weren't in
| the OP, as well as have seen people steal comments from
| substack articles and post them as their own on the HN
| submission of the substack.
| insane_dreamer wrote:
| Didn't do everything right as president, but a good man who
| mostly tried to do the right thing for Americans. Particularly
| exemplary since leaving the presidency.
|
| The average U.S. person would be much better off today if he had
| won in 1980 instead of it being the beginning of deregulation and
| Reaganomics.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| More deregulation passed under Carter than Reagan.
| hylaride wrote:
| One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by
| making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was
| his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around
| airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have
| a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through
| monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well
| as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair with the mandate to end
| the stagflation of the era (which meant he jacked up interest
| rates, causing the economy to temporarily slow down). There is a
| quite probably apocryphal quote that Jimmy Carter asked Volcker
| "can you end inflation" to which Volcker replied "Yes, but it'll
| probably cost you re-election" and Carter said do it. Reagan then
| swept in under these conditions.
|
| Most of the "market reforms" under Reagan were more pro-business
| than pro-market and resulted in big problems like the savings and
| loan crisis, among other things.
|
| Carter was also a very uninspiring person who mused too much in
| interviews and press conferences, which didn't _look_ decisive to
| the general public, even though it showed how he was thinking.
|
| Either way, he was an underrated president that was more a victim
| of timing and did what was best for the country.
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| I'm really worried that we just elected a president who clearly
| fixates on short term gains rather than long term planning.
| Biden did not mess that up, even if he is a one term president
| like Carter. It is nice to have adults in control, even if that
| is increasingly politically untenable.
| xrd wrote:
| You said it better than I would have. Biden put a lot of
| smart people around him, and together they made many long
| term investments in states that overwhelmingly voted for
| Trump. He will be remembered differently than he is now.
| Salgat wrote:
| What's frustrating is that a few years ago a recession was
| predicted, and we avoided that. But no one seems to have even
| mentioned it during the election. Am I just misremembering
| this? At least in the tech sector, lots of layoffs seemed to
| be attributed to the coming downturn.
| hylaride wrote:
| Also, the US is pretty much the only developed country
| growing at any meaningful rate (though deficit spending is
| probably a large cause of that and is arguably not
| sustainable at the current rate).
|
| Biden was past his prime and it showed during the campaign,
| though.
| wumeow wrote:
| > But no one seems to have even mentioned it during the
| election
|
| That's because most Americans believe we were in a
| recession.
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/us-
| news/article/2024/may/22/poll...
| llamaimperative wrote:
| Even here on HN, the vibecession was in full tilt.
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| A lot of tech layoffs can be attributed to overhiring
| during the pandemic, the need to rebalance to more AI
| investments, and the end of low interest rates that
| encourage growth rather than efficiency.
| rayiner wrote:
| Restricting immigration _is_ a long term investment in
| America's future. The golden age Americans remember from the
| mid 20th century is partly the result of the 1924 immigration
| act, which cut the foreign born population from almost 15% to
| under 5% by the 1960s.
|
| As relevant here Carter proposed to make it unlawful to hire
| illegal immigrants and to impose penalties on companies that
| did so: https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id
| =cqal77...
| akaru wrote:
| Something tells me you can't believe this nonsense you're
| spewing. You're attributing the greatest economic boom the
| world has ever seen, not to being the sole winner and
| survivor of WWII, but because the borders were tightened.
| You must be a troll.
| rat87 wrote:
| America is a nation of immigrants. Xenophobic politics is
| stupid and makes us weaker.
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| When you compare Carter with the guy who's going to take
| office next month it shows how far we've fallen as a country.
| The previous era was already passing since about 2016, but
| with the death of Carter it seems like that era has died with
| him and it just feels very depressing.
| silisili wrote:
| While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same
| could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It
| feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and
| instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick
| a side.
|
| Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type
| candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this
| election.
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| > I think the same could have been said regardless of
| which candidate won.
|
| I don't disagree. It's a matter of degrees, though. The
| post-WWII era was always going to go away when everyone
| who remembered WWII (or were children of those who fought
| it) passed away. That's kind of where we are now.
| xyst wrote:
| > short term gains
|
| For who exactly? The $1.5T tax cut (deficit spend) for
| billionaires was advertised as a "bill for the middle class"
| [1] under the assumption of idiotic "trickle down economics.
| Trump administration at the time even promised a "$4,000
| raise" to the middle class. [2]
|
| In reality, in the short term, billionaires able to afford
| another stupid yacht or pad some offshore accounts.
| Corporations buying back their stock. In the long term,
| deficit spending, increasing national debt, jobs lost, cuts
| of public programs, and further decimation of middle class.
|
| [1] https://www.npr.org/2017/12/20/572157392/gop-poised-for-
| tax-...
|
| [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/04/10/donald-
| tru...
| linguae wrote:
| For these reasons, Jimmy Carter is my third-favorite president
| of the 20th century, behind my favorite, Calvin Coolidge, and
| my second-favorite, Dwight Eisenhower. I am a very big fan of
| Paul Volcker and I'm glad Jimmy Carter nominated him as chair
| of the Fed. I wish Reagan kept Volcker as chair during Reagan's
| second term.
| justin66 wrote:
| Or nominated anyone other than Greenspan.
| bdndndndbve wrote:
| FDR doesn't make the cut?
| WalterBright wrote:
| FDR stripped 110,000 Americans of their property and herded
| them into concentration camps.
| emchammer wrote:
| One of these persons came to speak to my class when I was
| in elementary school. She was an elderly woman by then.
| jdewerd wrote:
| Oh, he only busted the Great Depression, won WWII, built
| half of the infrastructure that we keep kicking the
| expiration date on, and negotiated 80% of the beneficial
| fine print in your employment contract. Don't you think he
| could have done a bit more?
|
| My list would be: 1. FDR, 2. Carter, 3. Teddy. Carter
| because he sacrificed his career to fix inflation
| (Republican attempts to rewrite history notwithstanding),
| and Teddy because he wasn't merely an excellent man with
| excellent politics, but also because whenever present-day
| Republicans try to claim the man without claiming his
| politics I can turn it into a teachable moment.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| FDR did Japanese internment, tried court packing, and was
| arguably the first of the modern style of power-hungry
| president. He constantly threatened members of Congress
| that didn't roll over and go along with his agenda. To that
| end he was very influential but not entirely in a good way.
|
| He hardly ended the depression, economic conditions were
| poor until WW2 (eg look at the 1937 downturn, well into his
| tenure).
| JadeNB wrote:
| > For these reasons, Jimmy Carter is my third-favorite
| president of the 20th century, behind my favorite, Calvin
| Coolidge, and my second-favorite, Dwight Eisenhower.
|
| Aside from Amity Shlaes, who seems to have worked backwards
| from her desired conclusion, I've never heard an argument put
| forward for Coolidge as among the great presidents. What do
| you particularly admire?
| bb88 wrote:
| And Reagan also had the Iran Contra controversy which was
| selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. When
| asked in a deposition about what he knew, Reagan famously said,
| "I don't remember". It may have been a legal tactic to avoid
| culpability, but it could also have been real and highlighted
| the man's cognitive decline. Or worse, his advisors knew about
| the cognitive decline, kept information from him, and then ran
| their own foreign policy in the basement of the pentagon.
| ls612 wrote:
| Reagan's first 2 and a half years also were setting the stage
| for the growth of the 80s and 90s by taming inflation with very
| high interest rates and a painful recession. Reagan would have
| lost by a lot if his gamble hadn't paid off but instead by 1984
| strong growth had begun and he won in a landslide.
| oh_my_goodness wrote:
| Carter appointee Paul Volcker controlled interest rates at
| the Federal Reserve from 1979 until 1987.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker
| ls612 wrote:
| Rates peaked in 1982.
| oh_my_goodness wrote:
| https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/interest-rate
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| Carter interviewed Volcker for the job of Fed chairman and
| asked him what he would do to lower inflation (which had
| been persistently high since about the middle of the Nixon
| admin). Volcker told him he would immediately and
| significantly raise interest rates. This was in '79, there
| was an election the next year so Volcker figured that
| Carter wouldn't pick him. But Carter realized that Volcker
| was right and did pick Volcker who then went on to raise
| rates into the double digits (and people now complain about
| 5%). As predicted that tanked the economy in the election
| year, but in the long run it did the job of extinguishing
| the 70's inflation.
| WalterBright wrote:
| As Reagan's first Executive Order, he repealed all oil and gas
| allocation and price controls.
|
| The chronic gas lines disappeared literally overnight, and
| never came back.
|
| I remember that day well.
| metabagel wrote:
| He also campaigned on states rights to win over southern
| whites racists, and he ignored the AIDS epidemic, because his
| supporters thought it was God's punishment for homosexuals.
| FillardMillmore wrote:
| My favorite Carter story was when he was out on a fishing boat
| and there was a swamp rabbit that aggressively approached his
| boat. Carter used his paddle to shoo it away. He told his
| advisers about it, but they didn't believe him. But a White House
| photographer was taking pictures of the trip at the time and
| captured the rabbit in the picture. Of course, the press blew it
| out of proportion and used it to mock/attack Carter.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident
|
| For those that have seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail, I've
| always recreationally believed that the 'killer rabbit' in that
| movie was the same rabbit that went after Carter in his fishing
| boat.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
|
| Rest in Peace, Jimmy.
| 51Cards wrote:
| I hadn't heard about this and thought "swamp rabbit" was some
| catch term for alligator. Nope! It was actually a rabbit!
| Thanks for sharing this.
| RIPCarter wrote:
| I was thinking about Jimmy Carter on election day. Carter told
| America the truth about itself and they overwhelmingly voted to
| get rid of him. Trump has given nothing but lies and hate and
| America handed him the White House on a silver platter. This
| country didn't deserve Carter. I hope he is with his wife now.
| tomohawk wrote:
| As president, Carter gave the green light for Doo-hwan Chun to
| use force against the pro-democracy protests in Gwangju, S Korea.
|
| Later, sent to N Korea by president Clinton, he massively
| exceeded his authority and made a sweetheart deal that guaranteed
| N Korea would eventually build nukes. President Clinton found out
| about the deal on CNN with everyone else and never used Carter
| again.
|
| He also sandbagged president Reagan by taking a trip to the
| Soviet Union and convincing the leaders there that Reagan was not
| serious about reducing or eliminating nuclear weapons. This set
| back progress on reducing nuclear weapons for several years. In
| the end, Reagan was finally able to get them back to the table
| and eliminated a class of nukes, reducing others.
| metabagel wrote:
| None of that happened.
| ggm wrote:
| I'd love to know what people think he could have done differently
| about the hostages. Bear in mind that he would have been as
| politically ruined by a parade of dead hostage bodies so any "go
| harder" proposal has its own risks. If only the choppers hadn't
| failed?
|
| Iran knew it could wedge him and wait for the new president.
| amazingamazing wrote:
| As a former president I wonder why he voted for Harris and went
| as far to tell others that he did so, but didn't officially
| endorse. Seemed strange. A vote is tacit approval no? Was he
| against endorsements in general? He endorsed Mondale and Clinton
| iirc
|
| Regardless at least he wasn't as divisive as 45.
|
| RIP.
| justin66 wrote:
| Telling everyone you're going to vote for someone isn't an
| endorsement?
| amazingamazing wrote:
| I consider an endorsement more of the rationale for why,
| personally.
| someperson wrote:
| If you read the reports, those wishes were relayed by his
| family. The last time he was filmed a few months ago he didn't
| appear conscious.
| whatendorsement wrote:
| Can you provide a link to the non-endorsement? I search
| google/bing/ddg and couldn't find any source for this claim
| that he didn't endorse her.
| macrocosmos wrote:
| I wasn't alive for Carter's presidency, so can someone explain
| how his handling of the hostages in Iran was positive at all for
| the United States?
|
| To me as an American even this many years later and as a young
| person who didn't see it, ending your presidency while another
| nation holds your citizens seems extremely embarrassing.
|
| And all I see is extreme praise of the man. I'd honestly like to
| see some discussion here.
| userbinator wrote:
| It's the usual HN politics echo-chamber, what'd you expect?
| syndicatedjelly wrote:
| Why does being alive in the 1970s qualify someone to speak
| intelligently on that subject?
| wahisurf wrote:
| Jimmy Carter was the president that normalized the China
| relations. We've already seen how China abused the WTO entry that
| was granted by Bill Clinton in order to steal billions, if not
| trillions, of intellectual properties from US. And destroyed
| millions of factory jobs in America that really hurt American men
| and household. China also killed millions of Americans via COVID
| virus that was released from the Wuhan institute of virology.
|
| Depending on what happens between China and US in the next
| decades, and whether China increases military engagement with
| rest of Asia, we will have a more clear view of what damage Jimmy
| Carter had done to America.
| kranke155 wrote:
| It was Clinton who made the WTO, GATT and NAFTA treaties that
| made manufacturing be sucked out of the US.
|
| Carter was only following up on Nixon. It was Nixon-Kissinger
| who had the brilliant idea of splitting the communist bloc (an
| idea which I'd say likely helped shape the end of the Cold War
| - without China influencing Asia in cooperation, the Soviet
| threat was much reduced). Carter was only following up on a
| winning strategy.
|
| But it was Clinton and his team who did the most work to wipe
| out the American industrial sector.
| mitemte wrote:
| Look at U.S. factories now vs the 1980s - way fewer workers but
| making more stuff. Yeah, companies moved jobs overseas, but
| they also went big on automation to boost efficiency. That's a
| huge reason factory jobs disappeared.
|
| As for COVID origins, let's not perpetuate unproven theories.
| wahisurf wrote:
| Nothing unproven about covid coming out of wuhan lab
|
| House panel concludes that COVID-19 pandemic came from a lab
| leak https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-
| conclude...
|
| Two-thirds of Americans believe that the COVID-19 virus
| originated from a lab in China https://today.yougov.com/polit
| ics/articles/45389-americans-b...
|
| also, Harvard Business Review agreed that "some U.S. regions
| lost manufacturing jobs as a result of trade with China in
| the early 2000s" https://hbr.org/2022/11/has-trade-with-
| china-really-cost-the...
| shutupmagat wrote:
| FTA: "Two-year probe led by Republicans faults agencies for
| pandemic response, as Democrats on panel challenge final
| report's findings on SARS-CoV-2's origin"
|
| Yeah, the lying-ass republicans repeating the same bullshit
| Russian-made talking points, meanwhile the Democrats who
| aren't on the dole disagree.
|
| What gullible Americans "believe" on some random poll site
| doesn't matter. Belief in something doesn't make it true.
| wahisurf wrote:
| Since you are so blinded by party lines, here's an
| article in NY times from Dr. Alina Chan, a molecular
| biologist from MIT
|
| Why the Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab, in 5 Key
| Points https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/03/opi
| nion/covid...
|
| "Given what we now know, investigators should follow
| their strongest leads and subpoena all exchanges between
| the Wuhan scientists and their international partners,
| including unpublished research proposals, manuscripts,
| data and commercial orders. In particular, exchanges from
| 2018 and 2019"
| RealityVoid wrote:
| The house panel report is profoundly flawed and used as a
| political piece more than as a means of real inquiry.
|
| And the fact a lot of people from the US believe it
| originated from the lab doesn't really make it true. See
| how many people believe you didn't go on the moon or that
| 9/11 was an inside job.
|
| It _could_ have originated from the lab, it's a distinct
| possibility, but there is no concrete proof. We do know
| it's not created using a gene drive though.
| guiambros wrote:
| From the article you linked:
|
| > _The committee's 520-page report, released on 2 December,
| offers no new direct evidence of a lab leak, but summarizes
| a circumstantial case, including that the Wuhan Institute
| of Virology (WIV) used NIAID money to conduct "gain-of-
| function" studies that modified distantly related
| coronaviruses._
|
| > _Democrats on the panel released their own report
| challenging many of their colleagues' conclusions about
| COVID-19 origins. They conclude, for example, that the
| viruses studied at WIV with EcoHealth funding were too
| distantly related to SARS-CoV-2 to cause the pandemic._
|
| In other words, it's the same partisan politics we've seen
| since 2020, with very little science sprinkled on top.
|
| I believe we grossly fumbled investigating the origin of
| the virus, but unfortunately this report does little to
| present new, conclusive evidence.
| tzs wrote:
| That House panel report is a joke. They massively cherry
| pick evidence to praise everything Trump did and condemn
| everything Biden did.
|
| For example, they praise Trump's travel restrictions for
| saving lives. To support this they cite a single study,
| which didn't even study COVID. It was a study that used
| computer models of the spread of other diseases to see if
| travel restrictions are useful. That's an interesting and
| useful type of study, but it isn't anywhere near
| conclusive.
|
| Compare to masks, which they conclude are worthless. They
| acknowledge that the CDC provided them a list of over a
| dozen studies that were specifically of mask use in regard
| to COVID, but they completely dismiss all of them because
| they were observational studies, not randomized controlled
| trials.
|
| Here's an article that gives more details on the
| deficiencies of that report, including the deficiencies in
| its claims about COVID origins [1].
|
| [1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/congressional-
| republ...
| bb88 wrote:
| Actually, really the blame goes to Nixon on this. Nixon ended
| 25 years of isolation between the US and China [1], and further
| played China against Russia.
|
| The deeper reality is that US corporations wanted cheap labor.
| And the Chinese wanted to increase their standard of living for
| their people. But also, China turned into a nuclear power while
| people weren't looking, and trade between the US and China
| would prevent any wars.
|
| It's easy to look back and say one thing, but back in the
| 60's/70's the nuclear threat to the US was real, and trade was
| the most powerful deterrence option that could lead to long
| lasting peace.
|
| [1] https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/nixons-trip-china
| yyyk wrote:
| I don't believe blaming 1970s-1980s Presidents for this is
| reasonable. China was economically tiny, and the alliance was
| conductive for the Cold War. The error was not pivoting later
| and going for the 'economic engagement will lead to democracy'
| 'theory'.
| basementcat wrote:
| The Carter Center is on the verge of eradicating Guinea worm
| disease, a hideous illness that predominantly afflicts the poor.
| I hope other former Presidents can use their political leverage
| to help people in similar ways.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis
|
| https://www.cartercenter.org/health/guinea_worm/index.html
| tonymet wrote:
| Carter deregulated the beer & airline industries
| macinjosh wrote:
| And now flying is the worst consumer experience of them all and
| Budweiser is made out of rice. Is this winning?
| tomjakubowski wrote:
| Budweiser has been brewed with rice from the beginning, since
| 1876.
| irrelative wrote:
| Flying is incredibly less expensive largely due to
| deregulation, and Budweiser has always been brewed with rice.
| So, yes, this is winning.
| bb88 wrote:
| His main achievement was and forever will be the Egypt/Israel
| peace agreement. This has lasted nearly 50 years, and the people
| who still have grievances will soon be dead in another few years.
| supernova87a wrote:
| "For Christ's sake, you people made me get rid of my peanut farm
| before you let me be president."
|
| https://theonion.com/you-people-made-me-give-up-my-peanut-fa...
| neilv wrote:
| Carter did many lifetimes' worth of good service to others.
|
| With his passing now, he'll just miss one of the fundamentally
| opposite administrations taking control.
| watersb wrote:
| My dad worked for then-Governor Carter's administration.
|
| The state of Georgia at that time was mostly rural. A small town
| that needs to expand their water supply would often lack the
| specialized staff required. Under Carter, the state created
| regional offices to assist with planning, grant writing, etc.
|
| It was DevOps for local government.
|
| Carter was quite willing to innovate.
| jseip wrote:
| God bless a good man
| Spagbol wrote:
| I have not done significant research, but the more I have read
| about Jimmy Carter the more I am convinced he is very underrated,
| and the more I read about Reagan the more I beleive he was a bad
| choice for the average U.S. citizen long-term (e.g. destroying
| the U.S. lead on climate tech, and creating policies that
| ultimately eroded the wealth of the middle class) Reagan was
| certainly charming, but I beleive he didn't have the integrity of
| Carter. While Reagan let dictators like Pinochet commit heinous
| human rights abuses so long as they were anti-communist, Carter
| put actual pressure on the regime and sought answers. I consider
| him a long-term thinking leader rather than your average short-
| term thinking politician. I think that history will end up being
| much kinder to Carter in hindsight.
| metabagel wrote:
| I hope you're right, but there is an entire cottage industry
| dedicated to propping up Reagan's legacy.
| keyme wrote:
| Good riddance.
| xyst wrote:
| He was a good person, but unfortunately his administration set a
| massive precedent in deregulation of private industries, and
| setup the foundation for neo-liberalism and Reagan/"trickle down"
| economics.
| recroad wrote:
| Only US President to tell the truth about Israel's apartheid.
| https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y23V6PLTCMw
| jmward01 wrote:
| He was a great human being. We need more people like him,
| especially in government.
| dboreham wrote:
| Met him one time. About 20 years ago, boarding a Delta RJ to SLC.
| I got upgraded, row 1. I'm stowing my carry on in the bin. Guy in
| row 2 stands up, sticks out his hand towards me and says "Pleased
| to meet you, my name's Jimmy Carter". I think "sure you are dude"
| and "if you were the former president, that lady next to you
| would be Ros...wait...she IS Rosalynn...". He had been on a fly
| fishing trip. Deplaned before everyone else into SS vehicle on
| the apron. Nice guy.
| rurban wrote:
| The only US president of the last 100 years who would have not
| been executed by a nuremburg-like trial for war crimes
| nla wrote:
| My parents almost lost their house to a 19% mortgage after he was
| in office.
| animanoir wrote:
| finally
| gslin wrote:
| https://archive.ph/677UB
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