[HN Gopher] Ancient genomes provide final word in Indo-European ...
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       Ancient genomes provide final word in Indo-European linguistic
       origins
        
       Author : Brajeshwar
       Score  : 55 points
       Date   : 2024-12-26 15:00 UTC (2 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (phys.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (phys.org)
        
       | rational_indian wrote:
       | TIL the traditional Indian kalash is a bell beaker.
        
         | alephnerd wrote:
         | Where does it say that anywhere in this study?
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         | This study only concentrated on genetic signals found in Europe
         | and parts of Western Asia.
         | 
         | Other sequences outside this range were not utilized.
         | 
         | More critically, I never bought the "Kalash are Greeks" origin
         | story. It's a fairly common origin story all over the Northwest
         | region of South Asia. There's a reason why the name "Sikandar"
         | (Alexander) is extremely popular, and the Sikandar-Nama was
         | written barely 300 miles away in Ghazni under Mahmud Ghazni's
         | empire. And the "they have white skin" argument is dumb. There
         | is a significant lack of genetic sequencing of Inner Asians, so
         | a lot of the dataset just doesn't exist to make a claim one way
         | or the other.
        
           | andrewflnr wrote:
           | Probably they looked up what a bell beaker is, specifically
           | the vessel rather than the culture named after it, and
           | thought it looked familiar.
        
           | wutangson1 wrote:
           | More critically? I missed your clear deduction from the
           | evidence on how it is "dumb", as you say. The Kalash are the
           | people who Alexander (sikandar) left behind. So, you realize
           | that is Hellenistic times, and not pre-Greek times (whatever
           | that is) as mentioned in the article, right? Also, your last
           | sentence is confusing as well. Someone does not need to
           | actively disprove all other possibilities to prove what
           | actually was recorded in history. Who do you believe the
           | Kalash are- Sean Connery's subjects as per 'The Man Who Would
           | be King'? lol
        
       | thaumasiotes wrote:
       | > Findings indicate that Spanish, French and Italian populations
       | received steppe ancestry from Bell Beaker groups, while Greek and
       | Armenian groups acquired ancestry directly from Yamnaya
       | populations. Their results are consistent with the Italo-Celtic
       | and Graeco-Armenian linguistic models.
       | 
       | It's always nice to confirm existing models.
       | 
       | It's so nice that it can make you wonder just how much the
       | existing model informed the new result.
        
         | Tagbert wrote:
         | Observations of linguistic similarities informed a hypothesis
         | that some groups of languages are more alike than others. Data
         | (genetics) is collected and used to confirm or contradict the
         | hypothesis.
         | 
         | Textbook science process.
        
       | chris_st wrote:
       | The book, "Who we are and how we got here" is an excellent (but
       | long, and detailed) look at the current knowledge of genetic
       | history and the corresponding linguistic issues.
        
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