[HN Gopher] Ask HN: Is ChatGPT down?
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Ask HN: Is ChatGPT down?
Author : franze
Score : 76 points
Date : 2024-12-26 18:58 UTC (4 hours ago)
| alex_young wrote:
| Seems that way. Status page says we're wrong though.
|
| https://status.openai.com/
| transcriptase wrote:
| Wish I could find where someone at AWS described in great
| detail why their status page was so useless for so long. It
| basically needed so many approvals to change it (which was
| disincentivized by SLAs) that issues were usually resolved
| first.
|
| That's setting aside when they hosted the status
| red/yellow/green indicator images on s3, so the surest sign
| that s3 was having issues was that the status indicators didn't
| load at all.
| jiggawatts wrote:
| You answered your own question!
|
| "Boss, can I change this indicator from green to red?"
|
| "How much will that cost us?"
|
| "About a million dollars an hour."
|
| "No."
| jsiepkes wrote:
| Besides, we are not fully down. Some services are just
| degraded. Only 50% of the requests take 40 seconds to
| complete. Never mind the fact you'll never be able to load
| a complete page due to all the timeouts.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| "Step up to red alert."
|
| "Sir, are you absolutely sure, it does mean changing the
| bulb."
|
| https://youtu.be/jZn1fhMdrbQ
| fcmgr wrote:
| It got updated, they have acknowledged there is a major outage.
| albeebe1 wrote:
| It is for me
| slater wrote:
| Yup, same here. Loads parts of the UI, but no history or answers
| from server
|
| edit: downdetector confirms:
|
| https://downdetector.com/status/openai/
| FGTN5cPn8fVHKAV wrote:
| Yes it is. Status page is lying to us all.
| FGTN5cPn8fVHKAV wrote:
| New intern did something wrong again I guess.
| alwaysrunning wrote:
| DNS change...
| nozzlegear wrote:
| I think Azure itself is having issues right now - that's the
| story all of my services deployed there are telling at least.
| slater wrote:
| downdetector comments with the jokes: "This signals the workday
| is over"
| jacobmarble wrote:
| But there are dozens of us working today! Dozens!
| delduca wrote:
| Yes, it is down for me (desktop & mobile apps)
| prathamkumar11 wrote:
| ChatGpt down since an hour!
| m4rc3lv wrote:
| Yes, it is down
| rvz wrote:
| So many major outages and little gets fixed. Almost as if nothing
| was learned since the previous postmortem from the last outage.
|
| Can't wait for this postmortem to be released.
| 0xFEE1DEAD wrote:
| Looks like Azure is experiencing a major outage, but I cannot
| find anything about it. If you look at downdetector.com you'll
| notice reported outages from OpenAI, Microsoft 365, XBox Live,
| Walmart, the list goes on.
| colinbartlett wrote:
| If nobody minds a plug: My own product, StatusGator, which was
| launched here on HackerNews 10 year ago, notifies IT teams
| about outages before they are acknowledged by official status
| pages.
|
| - This OpenAI outage[1] we notified 4 minutes before they
| acknowledged.
|
| - The last AWS outage[2], we notified 28 minutes before they
| acknowledged
|
| - There is def an Azure outage[3] now yet they have still not
| updated their status page. We notified 35 minutes ago.
|
| 1. https://statusgator.com/services/openai
|
| 2. https://statusgator.com/blog/amazon-cognito-outage-
| december-...
|
| 3. https://statusgator.com/services/azure
| belter wrote:
| > Looks like Azure is experiencing a major outage...
|
| Does Azure have any other state? :-)
| sunaookami wrote:
| Status page is updated now: https://azure.status.microsoft/
|
| >Impact Statement: Starting at 18:44 UTC on 26 Dec 2024, you
| have been identified as a customer who was impacted by a power
| incident in South Central US and may experience a degraded
| experience.
|
| >Current Status: There was a power incident in the South
| Central US AZ03 which affected multiple services. We have
| applied mitigation and are actively validating recovery to the
| impacted services. Further updates will be provided in 60
| minutes, or sooner as events warrant.
|
| The times are the same for OpenAI - first notice from 11:00 PST
| (19:00 UTC)
| readyplayernull wrote:
| Didn't notice, Claude is my goto bot for programming.
| TZubiri wrote:
| yes, meanwhile I'm trying out Google Gemini
| fcmgr wrote:
| Yes, status page got updated: https://status.openai.com/. It says
| "This issue is caused by an upstream provider and we are
| currently monitoring."
| novaRom wrote:
| Don't put all your eggs into one basket - what are some good free
| alternatives? I mean comparable "usefulness" including image
| understanding, voice interface, and general knowledge?
| porphyra wrote:
| Grok 2 is available for free for all X users [1]
|
| [1] https://x.ai/blog/grok-1212
| manmal wrote:
| Is it comparable with OpenAI's and Anthropic's models? I have
| a strong resistance towards using Musk's products nowadays,
| but maybe I should take a look over the fence.
| porphyra wrote:
| In terms of general purpose usage and image understanding,
| I think Grok 2 is pretty good and roughly on par with
| ChatGPT 4o. Grok 2 will also look for online sources
| similar to ChatGPT search which is nice. I've occasionally
| had it report irrelevant results when doing so though ---
| for example when I was looking up the price of a car it
| once found some random webpage with the price in rupees
| even though I'm in the US.
|
| For logical reasoning of course chain-of-thought models
| like the O1 family are better.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| General knowledge?
|
| Five times in two weeks I've asked OpenAI some basic factual
| information and it didn't get even close on any of them.
| franze wrote:
| Dont ask GPTs for facts, thats a knowledge problem, they dont
| habe any.
|
| Ask it for reasoning, u habe to bring the facts.
| Mond_ wrote:
| If you're using ChatGPT actively, then surely you have heard of
| Gemini and Grok (no clue of how far Grok gets you nowadays, but
| Gemini should. Not sure how good the voice interface is).
| Yawrehto wrote:
| I wouldn't use Grok. Google is a big company that has to be
| reasonably objective, but Elon seems to be the sort of guy
| who would pettily include jabs at people he doesn't like into
| the data.
|
| Also he's a horrible human for many reasons and I'd prefer
| not to support him if I can avoid it. (You know it's bad when
| _Google_ is ethical in comparison.)
| llm_trw wrote:
| Ah yes, google a company known for not injecting an
| ideology into their AI:
| https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-
| ai...
|
| Nor building AI tools for the pentagon to bomb Yemeni
| weddings more efficiently:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven
| sandspar wrote:
| Do you sincerely believe that Gemini is not very biased?
| manmal wrote:
| Not free, but something I'm doing right now: Using Cursor's
| chat mode with my prepaid Anthropic key. Works pretty well as a
| stop gap.
| jascination wrote:
| What's the difference when using your own anthropic key vs
| vanilla? Are you hitting limits with Claude in cursor that
| they key unlocks?
|
| I ask cos I use it very liberally and haven't had any issues
| that have made me consider adding a key, except when I made
| it read my whole codebase on every request
| s1gsegv wrote:
| I've been loving having mistral-nemo on my laptop. Not
| comparable for images, voice, etc, however it is very nice when
| you're away from the internet. For the cost of a couple
| gigabytes you get to keep a good amount of info at the ready.
| Very easy to run models these days, install Ollama and then do
| `ollama run mistral-nemo`.
|
| Plus mistral-nemo in particular has a large context window, so
| you can cook up some shell scripts to throw a bunch of context
| into the buffer before your question. One I use a lot takes the
| name of a manpage and a question about it, then the LLM has the
| whole manpage to reference.
| bobjordan wrote:
| Wow, I subscribed to pro-mode and have been using it like crazy
| since release to assist my firmware development. Extremely
| helpful. Now it's changed my workflow so much, I don't even want
| to work when it's down.
| projectileboy wrote:
| Would you be willing to elaborate on the ways in which the
| $200/month subscription is better than the $20/month
| subscription? I'm genuinely curious - not averse to paying
| more, depending on the value.
| hbamoria wrote:
| Working using API, though
| deadbabe wrote:
| Don't understand these people who can't work without ChatGPT.
| Just look stuff up on stack overflow.
| kshacker wrote:
| ChatGPT does much better when it gets it right.
|
| Stackoverflow will have duplicates, approximates and what not
| and sometimes that works. But at other times, you hunt for a
| half hour before you figure it out.
|
| You can throw the problem at ChatGPT, it may go wrong but your
| course correct it with simple instructions and slowly but
| steadily you move towards your goal with minimal noise of the
| irrelevant discussions.
|
| What stands between the solution and you then is your ability
| to figure out when it is hallucinating and guide it to the
| right direction. But as a solution developer you should have
| that insight anyways
| disqard wrote:
| I'm with you (I use Claude Sonnet, but same difference...).
|
| I do wonder if we're the last generation that will be able to
| effectively do such "course correct" operations -- feels like
| a good chunk of the next generation of programmers will be
| bootstrapped using such LLMs, so their ability to "have that
| insight" will be lacking, or be very challenging to
| bootstrap. As analogy, do you find yourself having to "course
| correct" the compiler very often?
| kshacker wrote:
| Many a times.
|
| I asked it a simple non programming question. My last
| paycheck was December 20, 2024. I get paid biweekly. In
| which year will I get paid 27 times. It got it wrong ...
| very articulately.
|
| I run into this every single day.
| CharlesW wrote:
| It helps to know how LLMs work. They're not "good" at
| math ("good" being anthropomorphization) because they
| just predict text patterns based on training data rather
| than perform calculations based on logic and mathematical
| rules.
|
| To do this reliably, prepend your request to invoke a
| tool like OpenAI's Code Interpreter (e.g. "Code the
| answer to this: My last paycheck was December 20, 2024. I
| get paid biweekly. In which year will I get paid 27
| times.") to get the correct response of 2027.
| mrweasel wrote:
| You joke, but development is getting weird and perhaps to
| dependent on online services. People can't work when, ChatGPT,
| Github, AWS, NPM (add any other package manager you'd like) or
| Stack Overflow (this seems less important these days) is down.
|
| These services are accumulative and the chance that any one of
| of those services being down at any given time is increasing
| every time we add a new online dependency.
| Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
| Closed as duplicate. Here's a link to a question that is only
| marginally related to what you were actually asking and has an
| answer that is horribly out of date and doesn't even work
| anymore.
| ok_dad wrote:
| Guess what ChatGPT was trained on!
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