[HN Gopher] Air missile accident emerges as probable cause of Az...
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Air missile accident emerges as probable cause of Azerbaijan
E190tragedy
Author : bratao
Score : 73 points
Date : 2024-12-25 21:25 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.euronews.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.euronews.com)
| echelon wrote:
| There are videos of the crashed tail section that show shrapnel
| damage.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0ijm/another_a...
|
| There are videos filmed from within the cabin by the passengers
| showing shrapnel piercing clothing, limbs, seats, and more before
| the plane crashes.
|
| https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871952188383309872 (Holes
| in life vests)
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/world24x7hr/comments/1hm6prb/seats_...
| (Shrapnel damage)
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/1hm4mf0/f...
| (Survivor before the plane crashes.)
|
| (There are better videos, but I can't seem to find them again.)
|
| There are reports that the plane was forced to divert course and
| fly over water after being hit. They were close to landing but
| were forced to reroute in the middle of their emergency.
|
| More videos:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/1hlx7tc/c...
| (Crash. Other videos from other angles exist elsewhere online.)
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/world24x7hr/comments/1hm2ynv/shocki...
| (Tail section after crash)
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/1hlxm7i/surviv...
| (Survivors exiting the tail section)
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/world24x7hr/comments/1hm7poq/miracl...
| (Survivor who filmed prior to the crash.)
|
| I'll edit my comment with sources shortly.
| jiggawatts wrote:
| A turbine blade or a few coming off can have the same effect as
| a bomb going off near the plane.
|
| The pieces would tear through the plane like shrapnel from a
| weapon.
|
| Military anti air missiles tend to use continuous rods to slice
| planes in half instead of fragmentation warheads that leave
| small holes. The aim is to sever control lines, not merely to
| puncture.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Turbine blades puncturing the tail section? I'm not
| convinced.
|
| https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/8a578eea-0de8-4504-.
| ..
|
| Unconfined engine failures do the fuselage damage in the
| proximity of the engine: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc
| e/article/pii/S187775032...
| penultimatename wrote:
| Several anti-aircraft systems can and do use fragmentation
| warheads. The BUK that shot down MH17 used one and the impact
| patterns are strikingly similar. Take a look at the
| "Reconstruction" section in this:
| https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-
| text/ntsb/miscell...
| morkalork wrote:
| Here's another incident you can compare against:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0nf7/an_il22_t.
| ..
| quink wrote:
| This whole thing feels more and more like a terrible
| nightmarish mash-up between MH17 and UA232. Every indication so
| far is that the flight crew here are absolute heroes for
| bringing down the plane as well as they did and it's likely
| that they should be remembered as heroically saving these
| lives, even if not their own.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232
| llamaimperative wrote:
| Russia: "Why does the world view us as either malicious or
| incompetent?"
|
| Also Russia: Consistently fails to shoot down military aircraft
| and missiles, consistently shoots down passenger jets,
| consistently lies about both
| pinewurst wrote:
| It's not 'either or', it's 'and'.
| djaouen wrote:
| I'm not saying they are not both, but there is definitely
| another reason lol
| LtWorf wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itavia_Flight_870
| quink wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
| would surely be a bit more on the nose.
|
| Especially since rt.com's only above-the-fold mention is
| "Russia-bound airliner crashes in ex-_Soviet_ state (VIDEO)".
| Nope, they don't need to use the word 'Kazakhstan', the 50%
| longer, much less descriptive but much more telling 'ex-
| Soviet state' is the one they're chosen.
| mmastrac wrote:
| Not a great couple of decades for civilian air travel near
| Russian airspace, that's for sure.
| lutusp wrote:
| > " ... as the Azerbaijan Airlines aircraft was approaching to
| land as scheduled."
|
| Not as scheduled. The aircraft was diverted because of
| unacceptable weather at its primary destination --
| https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjwl1e6895qo : "The plane was
| en route to Grozny in Russia but it was diverted due to fog, the
| airline told the BBC."
|
| Just saying, not excusing a hostile takedown, if that's what
| happened.
|
| Diversion due to weather is a possibility anticipated by pilots,
| who normally carry extra fuel to accommodate the possibility of a
| diversion.
|
| Ironically, because of the advent of drone attacks, a small
| aircraft like the Embraer 190 is _more_ likely to be mistaken for
| hostile, compared to a full-size airliner.
| zmachinaz wrote:
| Just zooming into the tail section photo one can find on main
| stream media shows very suspicious signs of possible shrapnel hit
| ...
| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| The orcs sure do love murdering innocent people.
| paganel wrote:
| The "orcs" being who?
| 05 wrote:
| > Orc (Cyrillic: ork, romanised: ork), plural orcs (Russian
| and Ukrainian: orki), is a pejorative commonly used by many
| Ukrainians to refer to a Russian soldier participating in the
| Russian-Ukrainian War and Russian citizens who support the
| aggression of Russia against Ukraine.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(slang)
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