[HN Gopher] Hyundai to offer free NACS DC EV adapters to enhance...
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Hyundai to offer free NACS DC EV adapters to enhance charging
convenience
Author : gnabgib
Score : 29 points
Date : 2024-12-23 20:28 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| dylan604 wrote:
| So this is just the adapter. That's fine I guess if doing the
| absolute minimum to make the thing work is the way they want to
| go, but some people like to express themselves by doing more.
|
| I don't remember which car company (Ford maybe??) is paying for a
| home charger install at the buyer's home (I'm assuming a single
| family dwelling type of restriction). Clearly trying to entice
| more sales. So the ad kind of worked, except not so well that I
| remember exactly which maker it is doing this. Good job ad guys!
| drewnick wrote:
| Ford is offering the home charger installation, or a $1000
| public charging credit. I'm trying to shop for one of these
| trucks right now, and my sense is that the dealers are not a
| big fan of EVs and are almost actively working against Ford.
| The buying process is extremely painful compared to my last two
| purchases from pure EV manufacturers.
| GiorgioG wrote:
| Sure they're against them - they're much simpler to service
| and most likely significantly more reliable. Given that
| dealers typically make most of their money on service
| (repairs) than on sales of vehicles, it's no wonder they're
| more likely to be biased against EVs. I have an ICE F-150
| (2016) and I can't fathom only having 240ish miles of range.
| I'll wait 5 years for the 450 mile version.
| NotSammyHagar wrote:
| depending on model, already have 320 miles
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-150_Lightning.
|
| They now test them doing things like going 70 mph without
| stopping, got 270 miles
| https://insideevs.com/reviews/598000/ford-f150-lightning-
| ran.... EPA doesn't drive them that steadily that fast on
| their test run. The new Tesla model 3 (highland) gets 370
| miles on that test.
| GiorgioG wrote:
| Chevy's RST Silverado can do 450 miles, but it's nearly
| $100k.
| eagerpace wrote:
| It's not your imagination. GM and F are awful about this.
| They even significantly curtailed their plans for training
| and updating dealers to support EVs better.
|
| https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/13/ford-ends-ev-dealership-
| prog...
|
| It's an under-appreciated intangible "innovation" from Tesla
| that you can order a car as simply as you can order from
| Amazon. People hate car dealers with good reason.
| NotSammyHagar wrote:
| Well of course dealers don't want to sell you EVs. They have
| far far less maintenance than an ICE car. There are less
| options on many of them. And the biggest reason is that they
| know their customers who try 'non-dealer' sellers like Tesla,
| Rivian, and Lucid are far happier overall. And the EVs plus
| dealers are clearly not matching the good things that come
| from Tesla or Rivian. Another example, there's basically no
| need for an annual service visit. The dealers are trying to
| make kind of silly service visits, charging $100 to rotate
| the tires. https://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php
| ?threads/s...
|
| There are problems with no-dealer companies, when they are in
| initial stages it can be hard to get repairs if there is no
| local service center. Rivian is still growing a lot and can
| get behind, Tesla seems to have basically built out enough
| service in a lot of places but also can get behind. But even
| real auto dealers can get behind too.
| cogman10 wrote:
| I have a Tesla and my interaction with the local service
| center has been pretty much as good as my prior
| interactions with a trusted mechanic.
|
| The dealer model is just regulatory capture. It's a dumb
| middle man that provides no value beyond what the
| manufacturer can do. It's only there because dealers tend
| to be over represented in state and federal officials. So,
| of course, they keep and create regulations which penalize
| direct sales.
| stetrain wrote:
| In the last 5 years the only real service my EV has had is a
| 12V battery replacement (done under warranty), cabin air
| filters, wipers/wiper fluid, and tire rotations.
|
| And those can pretty easily be done DIY or at a local tire
| shop.
|
| I can imagine why dealerships may not be pleased, and have
| heard about other EV brands having things like recommended
| $300 annual service visits where the dealership basically
| does the above items and checks for software updates. I guess
| some people will pay it and that might help keep the
| dealerships from being too mad about the changes.
| ajp wrote:
| When I was shopping for a new car, Hyundai had an offer for a
| free Lvl 2 home charger (though not installation) with the new
| car purchase on the Ioniq 6.
| semi-extrinsic wrote:
| To be fair, a Level 2 charger probably costs them less than
| $200, it's not a crazy thing to throw in with a $50 000 car.
| srockets wrote:
| [delayed]
| tw04 wrote:
| This has nothing to do with at-home charging. This is so that
| Hyundai's that have already been sold can utilize NACS high
| speed chargers (Tesla). And to future proof them as other
| vendors move to the NACS standard.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I never claimed this had anything to do with at-home
| charging. I'm comparing this incentive to another car
| company's incentive. Hyundai is trying to make charging the
| EV less of a hassle. That incentive is still much less
| convenient than the other car company paying for a charger in
| your home.
| tw04 wrote:
| Hyundai does have an in home charger incentive.
|
| But again, that has literally nothing to do with this. This
| isn't about "making charging more convenient", it's about
| ensuring owners are future proofed.
|
| The people this is targeted at already bought a Hyundai,
| this isn't about enticing new buyers.
| stetrain wrote:
| You said they are "doing the absolute minimum to make the
| thing work is the way they want to go" which is a strange
| thing to say about offering a free adapter for DC fast
| charging for their existing customers.
|
| Maybe it makes sense if you assume that's the only thing
| Hyundai is doing in the realm of making EV charging easier.
| dylan604 wrote:
| it was a very strained reference to Office Space and
| pieces of flair
| r00fus wrote:
| Absolute minimum would be working with Tesla to ensure your
| vehicles are permitted to charge at SuperChargers but require
| your customers to buy an adapter ($200) so free adapter is
| definitely a step up in my book.
|
| I'm not sure what installing an L2 home charger does for anyone
| who has range anxiety for trips. Most people who have an EV and
| can install an L2 charger (ie, life in a SFH that they own)
| probably already have done so.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I still use a L1 charger in a SFH because an overnight charge
| at L1 speeds is 3x my daily driving usage, so I haven't
| bothered to hire an electrician.
| peutetre wrote:
| > _working with Tesla to ensure your vehicles are permitted
| to charge at SuperChargers_
|
| _Permitted_ is a funny perspective. You should be demanding
| compatibility in charging infrastructure.
|
| Incompatible infrastructure makes EVs worse than ICE
| vehicles. All brands of charger must charge all brands of EV,
| just as all brands of fuel station fuel all brands of ICE
| vehicle. Anything less is backward and primitive.
|
| Europe sorted this out a long time ago. Slowly North America
| is getting there by standardizing on CCS with the J3400 plug.
| kccqzy wrote:
| Hyundai also had an in-home charger installation incentive.
| SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
| > doing the absolute minimum to make the thing work is the way
| they want to go
|
| It isn't the way they are going, no. Hyundais and Kias in the
| USA will have native NACS ports in all 2025 models onwards.
| Starting with Ioniq 5 shipping in Q1 2025, I believe.
|
| Adapters are the short-term "stopgap".
|
| Sources:
|
| "Hyundai Is About To Have More EVs With NACS Plugs Than Tesla
| ... In the United States, all-new or refreshed Hyundai EVs will
| come exclusively with a NACS port, beginning in Q4 2024."
|
| https://insideevs.com/news/742221/hyundai-kia-genesis-nacs-c...
|
| "Hyundai's first EV with native Tesla Supercharging is the new
| Ioniq 5"
|
| https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/3/24235272/hyundai-2025-ioni...
| dylan604 wrote:
| So they are not selling the rest of the 2024 inventory
| anywhere? That's the incentive on getting people to buy the
| '24 model. They need all the help they can get to clear the
| '24s out so more '25s can take their place on the lot.
|
| buyer: "I like the '24, but the charging port is
| inconvenient"
|
| seller: "Fret not, we offer this handy dandy adapter. Please
| please please buy this car"
| stetrain wrote:
| > That's fine I guess if doing the absolute minimum to make the
| thing work is the way they want to go
|
| They're also switching all of their EVs to use native NACS
| ports next year for the North American market. New customers
| won't need this adapter, their cars will come with an adapter
| in the other direction (CCS to NACS).
|
| They also have various offers at different times for including
| a home charger + installation and/or free charging credits at
| Electrify America stations.
|
| https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3945
|
| https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/special-programs/electrify-...
|
| They are also part of the IONNA group which is going to be
| building a lot of DC fast chargers across North America.
|
| https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/4071
| zacharycohn wrote:
| It was Hyundai. Hyundai gives you a free ChargePoint charger
| and $600 towards installation. (or at least they did a year ago
| when I got my Ioniq 5)
| aidenn0 wrote:
| They did not offer that with my Kona Electric purchased this
| year. Probably because they are offering a $7500 rebate to
| match the rebates for US produced cars.
| nothercastle wrote:
| Anyone know when sign ups actually come online?
| quadog wrote:
| It says Q1 of 2025.
| ponector wrote:
| While other vendor offer a device with which you can hack and
| drive Hyundai/Kia vehicles within few minutes.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1durgih/h...
| zacharycohn wrote:
| And almost every other brand of car, EV or ICE.
| 0xbadcafebee wrote:
| I'm amazed there isn't more talk about how bad the nationwide
| charging infrastructure is. Non-Tesla public chargers are a
| disaster. Terribly engineered, buggy as hell, constantly failing,
| perpetually out of date, improperly configured, insecure. As
| someone who has worked with them, I would probably not buy an EV
| at all unless I could use the Tesla chargers, so thank god that's
| an option now.
| rpgwaiter wrote:
| Non-tesla infra has gotten a lot better over the past couple
| years, at least according to this one YouTube EV road trip I
| watched recently: https://youtu.be/ouPiwt5hxXQ
| sipjca wrote:
| It's still not great. I drove I5 North for the holidays and
| at one stop there was an hour+ long wait at Electrify
| America. Only 3/4 stalls working and a queue 5 or 6 deep to
| charge. At the same stop there were 12+ Tesla chargers and no
| issue with wait and not fully occupied
| VBprogrammer wrote:
| I don't have an electric car (not against it in principle
| but waiting for the right time).
|
| One thing that always bothers me is that, from what I've
| seen, queuing for charging seems to be based on
| coordination and trust between EV drivers. Surely it would
| make far more sense to have some kind of virtual queuing
| system built in. Then when a charger becomes free it
| automatically sends you an alert and gives you some period
| to connect to the charger.
|
| Longer term, I would hope charging stations would be
| designed with a layout which lets cars queue sensibly.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| Since you don't own an EV, you probably haven't noticed how
| much better they've got in the past year. There's been a huge
| improvement, and many of them are now considerably faster than
| Tesla chargers, especially if you have an 800v car.
| Upvoter33 wrote:
| I have a Hyundai Ioniq 5, and as such, applaud this.
|
| That said, it won't affect my life much. I mostly commute, and
| for that, just trickle charge at home (very slow) or plug in at
| work when I need a faster boost. It's funny how little range
| anxiety matters if you don't drive long range.
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