[HN Gopher] One surprising psychosis treatment that works: Learn...
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One surprising psychosis treatment that works: Learning to live
with the voices
Author : JumpCrisscross
Score : 55 points
Date : 2024-12-22 10:40 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| yoyoma1234 wrote:
| Paywall
| ChocMontePy wrote:
| Mirror: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/one-surprising-
| psycho...
| black_13 wrote:
| I have a voice in my head that says dont read the wsj
| jemmyw wrote:
| > The rate of schizophrenia-related emergency-room visits for men
| ages 18 to 44 years old is 16% higher so far in 2024 compared
| with 2018, according to health-analytics company Truveta; men
| ages 30 to 44 showed a 24% increase.
|
| A better working treatment is good but understanding these
| numbers seems important. That's a large increase in a very short
| time.
| gonzo41 wrote:
| not to be a trope, but Covid maybe?
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| I have schizophrenia and both times I caught COVID my first
| symptoms was a horrible psychosis. First time almost went to
| the psych hospital but that is worse than just dealing with
| the psychosis. Luckily I had a friend who talked me through
| it and got me some meds. I told my doctors this and they just
| shrugged. No one cares if you are mentally ill.
|
| To add another trope, do not be shocked if EMFs are also
| found to be contributing. I know, this is coming from a
| schizophrenic, so whatever.
| technothrasher wrote:
| Having schizophrenia does not in any way invalidate your
| conjecture on a possible link between EMF exposure and
| schizophrenia. However, there has been a very large amount
| of research on EMF exposure and various health concerns,
| including schizophrenia specifically, without much effect
| shown. So, unlike you, I _would_ be quite surprised if it
| was found to be contributing.
|
| Interestingly though, there have been some studies that
| show a possible link between schizophrenia and _ionizing_
| radiation. (for instance:
| https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ )
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| > there has been a very large amount of research on EMF
| exposure
|
| What type of EMF exposure? You see, there really has not
| been studies of real world newer EMF frequencies and none
| on mmWave exposure that are not only based on the thermal
| effects.
|
| Please see this from 2023:
|
| https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755
|
| However, the available studies have not investigated the
| health effects resulting from exposure from the 5G mobile
| phone and base station antennas from 700 MHz to 30 GHz on
| the cognitive performance, well-being subjective
| symptoms, human physiological parameters, and EEG of
| adults. There is a need for such research regarding this
| current emerging technology. Such studies are significant
| in determining whether 5G technology is indeed safe for
| humans.
| giantg2 wrote:
| There have been some EMF studies showing increased
| glucose consumption in areas of the brain exposed to it.
| If I remember correctly, this was related to some cell
| phone research. There haven't been any studies that I
| have come across that look deeper into what it might mean
| long term.
| magicalhippo wrote:
| At least several of the early cell phone exposure studies
| that showed negative effects on rats used irradiation
| levels that equalled putting your head in a microwave
| oven.
|
| So just keep that in mind before drawing conclusions.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence.
| I can assure you, putting a rat in a microwave will
| damage/kill it, in momonets.
|
| But let say they were overpowered, but not at the extent
| you are claiming. Were these studies "over powered" on
| purpose? There is evidence that they were to dismiss any
| health effects in studies completed by companies that
| make thee devices and this is discussed by researchers.
| magicalhippo wrote:
| > I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence
|
| I calculated it myself. It was in response to one of
| those anti-EMF folks posting these papers as proof that
| cell phones were very dangerous. It's been several years
| since I did this, I don't have the references or
| calculations handy.
|
| They exposed rats to increasing levels of radiation power
| for relatively short durations, and only the highest had
| the adverse effects.
|
| Of course, could be I calculated it wrong. But it was a
| fairly simple scaling thing ala watts per gram of tissue,
| and I did do it for at least a few papers.
|
| And yes, I think these were overpowered on purpose. If
| there was no effect at these extreme levels, it wouldn't
| make much sense spending resources studying lower-level
| exposure.
| giantg2 wrote:
| Who cares about rats. There are plenty of human studies
| we can look at. The point is, we know EMF can affect
| things, but we don't know if those affects are harmful.
| Going back in the comment history, this was about telling
| someone that maybe they're crazy, but maybe they aren't
| crazy about EMF affecting their mental state. There are
| things they can look up, such as brain glucose
| metabolism, EEG changes, etc. We know these changes
| happen, but we don't know what they mean or how they
| might interact with a condition like their's as it's hard
| enough to find good EMF studies let alone ones where the
| subjects aren't "healthy individuals".
| magicalhippo wrote:
| Sure. My point was simply that people read how they
| performed the study and not just the punchline from the
| conclusion section.
| giantg2 wrote:
| My comment has nothing to do with that.
|
| My point is that EMF has shown affects on people, but we
| know almost nothing about the implications ("unknown
| clinical significance").
|
| https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/645813
| empressplay wrote:
| Part of long Covid is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS)
| which has been found to be comorbid with a number of mental
| health issues
| https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/
| keybored wrote:
| The inundation of everything that is "on the rise" is enough to
| make anyone paranoid.
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| Is paranoia on the rise? It sure seems anxiety is ...
| jeffrallen wrote:
| Paranoia is not on the rise, it's just that _they_ want you
| to think it is...
| hinkley wrote:
| Why are you asking? Who told you to ask? What do they want?
| y-curious wrote:
| My money is on: increased cannabis use + social isolation
| (COVID+short form social media) + more awareness/less stigma of
| seeking treatment
| hinkley wrote:
| We knew a guy who retired at ~30 and was institutionalized by
| 35. That's really the only person I've been able to watch go
| off the rails. And in his case it really did seem that the
| isolation drove the decline, rather than the decline driving
| the isolation. That was around the time we were first
| exploring the idea that staying busy with novel problems can
| delay the onset of dementia. Being around people is perhaps
| an incentive to keep the wheels on a bit longer. We thought
| going to work did that for him in a way that parties and
| lunches with friends did not.
| kranner wrote:
| An article in The Guardian described an alternative treatment
| called Avatar Therapy [1] that has the therapist create a digital
| simulation of the voices, interact with the patient using the
| simulated voice and work through a script that gradually gives
| the patient more power over the voice.
|
| It can get surprisingly radical for a therapy session, at one
| point even inciting the patient to commit suicide! [2]
|
| [1] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/oct/29/acute-
| psychosis...
|
| [2] > "You should end it," the avatar [therapist] said, casually.
| "What have you done that's of any use to anyone?"
| PittleyDunkin wrote:
| Hey _my_ voice says that to myself all the time and I 'm a
| pretty content person; it'd be pretty surprising if a second
| voice weren't capable of that.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| Schizophrenic here.
|
| I do not hear voices (frequently), but have delusions. This is
| what I do, I do not trust anything I see. I found that I think
| people are looking at me when they are not so now I just accept
| it and do not read anything into it. The medication to treat us
| are ancient and horrible and this is the only healthy way out for
| us. I had to learn this on my own though since medicare does not
| care enough about anyone's health.
| lambdaba wrote:
| Do you know about this?
| https://www.youtube.com/@LivingWellAfterSchizophrenia/
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| Yes, thank you. I already do a high omega 3 keto diet and it
| has enabled me to come off of medications, only needing
| klonopin for triggers I cannot control. 7 years now.
|
| Mental illness is a metabolic disease, mine is caused by a
| problem with purine metabolism. (carbohydrates will turn into
| purines) Each person will be different. I have
| Schizoaffective disorder like she does. I would say we are
| remarkably similar in many ways.
| lambdaba wrote:
| That's amazing, congrats!
|
| I've also come to believe a mix of metabolic therapy and
| targeted supplementation (particularly B vitamins, chiefly
| B3), yields much better results than medications. And it
| seems the medical profession is slowly waking up to it too.
| mind-blight wrote:
| If you don't mind me asking, do you have any cues or techniques
| that you use to help differentiate between a delusion and
| something real? Or are the kind of delusions you have
| consistent to the point where you've already categorized and
| figured out how to deal with them?
| daelon wrote:
| The way I read his post is that categorizing and
| differentiating is fundamentally _not possible_ , because
| sensory input cannot be trusted, period. This makes sense to
| me because part of what can drive you mad is the constant
| questioning, so one way to short-circuit this is to simply
| not play the game.
|
| It's zero trust networking for your brain, and you're asking
| "but how do you decide which ip addresses are safe?". That's
| the neat part, you don't.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| Yes, that is it. But sometimes I can get clues to
| differentiate. Another example. The water coming out of my
| bathtub looked really really blue. So blue that I called
| the water company. The woman came out and had that look on
| her face and just said, your water looks fine. I have
| learned that the look is a clue for me to not trust myself
| and let go and trust other people. It is sort of like being
| blind having to trust people to tell you the right way to
| go.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| > If you don't mind me asking, do you have any cues or
| techniques that you use to help differentiate between a
| delusion and something real?
|
| Nothing is real. Not for me or for you. That is my greatest
| insight of my illness.
|
| You all have very narrow band schizophrenia, mine is just
| more, uhm, loose.
|
| So if I feel like some shadow agency is tracking me I just
| say; "So what.", If I think what I picked up from the
| supermarket I just say; "So what if I die." I really had to
| stop caring about dying or suffering.
|
| The only time I know when I am alone in my perceptions is
| when I ask someone. For example, I was sitting in a
| restaurant and I these four Mexican workers were turned
| around staring at me. I asked my friend if they were and she
| said no. Now I do not know if I am able to pick up on
| something, maybe I could somehow tell they were talking about
| me adn my brain made me aware by making it look like they
| were looking at me. But again, so what is my answer.
|
| The day before that I felt my dead great uncle was telling me
| to go to Dillon, MT to make amends for him getting arrested
| there in 1954. So it was a tough week for me.
| dsego wrote:
| I've noticed from my family member that their brain seems
| to connect more dots, things are more abstract for them. So
| basically very good for creative work, they are good with
| words and novel ideas, but also sucks when you attribute
| behaviors and intentions when they are not there.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| The teleological thinking is the worst. And actually so
| is the creativity. It is fun but it is hard to make a
| dollar, and also, not everyone likes creative thought
| because it destroys paradigms.
| dsego wrote:
| Delusions are the worst, once they are too far gone there's no
| sense in trying to convince the person it's not real. We've
| been through it with a family member many times, the worst part
| is that it starts slowly, but they hide it so well or they self
| isolate and alienate everybody. Once the signs are there, they
| are already too far gone, broadcasting, paranoia, persecution,
| grandeur, telepathy, false memories, you name it. If it were
| only voices, I think that could be managed more easily than
| delusions. Not sure if it's true that relapses cause further
| damage (neurotoxicity) but so far only the neuroleptic shots
| have proven to be reliable and prevent the next manic episode.
| Regrettably, these cause a host of other issues, like
| depression, lack of motivation or pleasure and so on.
| inglor_cz wrote:
| This is really interesting. A proof that "not everything was
| thought of yet" and revolutionary ideas still wait for people
| whose thinking is sufficiently out of the box.
|
| Who would have thought that "confronting your demons" could work
| in such a literal way.
| tantalor wrote:
| It's only revolutionary if you ignore history.
|
| As popularized in film, John Nash did this in the 1960s.
| inglor_cz wrote:
| Ye olde question: is the crucial aspect of innovation if
| someone did that first, or if someone was able to break into
| the mainstream?
|
| If the technique wasn't used for 50 years after Nash, wasn't
| it like the tree that fell in the forest and nobody heard it
| falling?
|
| Imagine finding out that someone observed antibiotic effects
| of Penicilinum in the 1880s, but patients still dying of
| banal infections until Fleming; in that case, I would give
| the "revolutionary" credit to Fleming.
| keybored wrote:
| No, it's not revolutionary if someone manages to find a
| counter-example 22 minutes after someone proclaims that it
| is revolutionary. It clearly hasn't been relegated to
| obscurity.
| inglor_cz wrote:
| Revolution means pretty literally "turn something
| around".
|
| Which a first actual large-scale deployment of something
| fulfills, but isolated experiments don't.
|
| Was Falcon 9 revolutionary? For me, absolutely, because
| it was the first widely deployed rocket that made partial
| reuse economical, and thus enabled projects such as
| Starlink.
|
| We can call the previous small-scale experiments bold or
| maybe groundbreaking, but there was no revolution
| achieved.
| keybored wrote:
| EDIT: Ahead might be simply nitpicking & splitting hairs.
|
| You're moving the goalpost. First it was a revolutionary
| idea. Now a revolution is after an idea has been put into
| practice.[1] Which is it?
|
| [1] Even "not everything was thought of yet" but it's
| there "for people whose thinking is sufficiently out of
| the box". Come on.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| I think calling them "demons" is part of the problem. I take my
| delusion as clues, psychic hints, a sort of over sensitivity
| and Cassandra like quality, that should be used by people
| without schizo. But I cannot tell you how many time sI was
| called stupid and crazy about my ideas on here yet I talk with
| research scientists on the regular.
|
| To me Schizo is nothing more than an intensely creative mind.
| Why see nothing when you can see somthing?
|
| Note that hunter gatherer genetics are linked to schizo and the
| idea of aa demon is a particularly Christian view of insights
| that do not fit the norm. More so if the ideas were coming from
| "pagan" people.
|
| https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/evolutionary-psychi...
| inglor_cz wrote:
| TBH these voices might have been the original reason why
| "demons" got defined by the ancients as evil spirits.
|
| They often speak evil things, are unseen to the general
| population, but torment the sufferer ... a basic candidate
| for the category of "demon", especially in pre-modern times.
|
| Also, I don't think that demons are a particularly Christian
| phenomenon. They certainly predate Christianity and various
| "heathen" religions were full of them: Indo-European,
| Amerindian, African...
|
| But the idea of schizophrenia as a very intense mind going on
| empty is interesting. Only I would say that it needs some
| specific pathway to go down the schizophrenic route. Plenty
| of people with intense fantasies are normally adjusted and
| don't fulfill the criteria for a mental disease.
| dsego wrote:
| But it does look like there are some people who are
| tormented by mental issues and preoccupied with bizarre
| thoughts, occult imagery, and aggressive behaviors. And
| honestly, even though I've seen myself how meds work on my
| family member, it's so surreal to believe after seeing such
| manifestations, and demons would be the right term for the
| behaviors I've seen first hand, it also sounded like a
| living nightmare to the person experiencing it. The
| acceptance of these nonsensical ideas and going with the
| flow reminded me of how dreams work, but at least I'm not
| awake to live out the dream.
| Biologist123 wrote:
| I sometimes wonder if the voices are suppressed in the
| "healthy" population, but to some extent still influential -
| but dangerous in that they operate out of sight. For
| reference: non-professional opinion.
| nonrandomstring wrote:
| That seems like a Freudian theory of repressed trauma or
| the more general idea of "coping mechanisms" that go wrong.
| The "healthy" mind isn't afraid/ashamed to hear and process
| discomforting thoughts. For the more fragile mind, pushing
| them back makes them more and more intrusive. Ronnie Laing,
| Thomas Szasz, Erich Fromm, and many others have said,
| variously; "Mental illness is a sane reaction to an insane
| world", "In a mad world, only the mad are sane", or "Coping
| is making yourself part of the problem".
|
| That's not the same as being dismissive about the state of
| world, or legitimising/glorifying real and distressing
| medical insanity - it's just saying; be careful how you
| "cope". That said, just look around you. Aren't intrusive
| voices just _reason_ tired of us telling it to shut up.
| Biologist123 wrote:
| I'd say it's less Freud than it is Internal Family
| Systems theory, which posits human personality is
| multiple. And we've somehow learned to suppress voices
| that we know sub-consciously to be unacceptable, maybe
| through socialization etc. Writing this, I make the leap
| to Jung and need for awareness and management of these
| suppressed voices before they overwhelm us.
|
| I'm conscious I am (maybe we are) fumbling towards
| statement or acknowledgment of the same thing.
|
| PS I like what you wrote!
| tananan wrote:
| Many people probably do this already, somewhat intuitively. If
| you look around, descriptions of such problems and similar
| advice is found in many contemplative traditions. I've heard an
| sermon recently that was named something like "pay no mind to
| the evil thoughts". Now in the tradition of that priest
| (mainstream/Orthodox Christianity) they overly attribute some
| things to demons, but you'll find similar advice elsewhere
| without that baggage.
|
| It is nice to see it in secular medicine as well, though.
| tananan wrote:
| If this treatment is "surprising", it might point to a unskilful
| way of conceptualizing the disease in the first place.
|
| I wonder how many people make things worse for themselves by
| worrying that they're going crazy, which ends up feeding the
| cycle.
|
| As opposed to "What can I do with this/How can I work around it?"
|
| Giving people agency and making them know that they don't need to
| own every random voice that comes into their head is nice. Even
| for non-psychotic folks.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| In my deeper psychosis, asking myself "What can I do with
| this/How can I work around it?" is literally impossible. I am
| too busy running down the street secretly taking pictures of
| people who I think are agents from some unknown organization.
|
| So there is a limit to this therapy.
| tananan wrote:
| Sometimes you just have to weather the storm. I don't think
| it makes sense to speak of therapies in such times.
| phkahler wrote:
| What happens when it passes? I've never had that kind of
| thing, but I did find "internal family systems" therapy
| useful and have wondered if those extreme conditions might be
| extreme manifestations of the same concepts. If so, there may
| be a way to tame that stuff.
| FollowingTheDao wrote:
| > What happens when it passes?
|
| I say "Sorry" to a lot of people and they I try to find the
| trigger.
|
| I do not think internal family systems is designed for
| biological triggered mood disorders, but I see where you
| are going here. I do not see the person that comes out in
| my everyday pschye.
|
| Think of what happens to me akin to giving someone
| methamphetamines and trying to get them out of the high by
| talking about internal family systems. It just will not
| work.
| tomcam wrote:
| So eloquently written. Thank you.
|
| Can I draw from this that when the psychosis gets deep enough
| you can sort of recognize that you're in the state (since
| you're telling people sorry) but simply cannot control it?
|
| Is it controlled by medication? Does the medication ever fail
| you and return you to the state of psychosis?
| throw18376 wrote:
| i think if the main thing is "hearing voices" this kind of
| thing is probably a good strategy, but there are lots of other
| probably worse symptoms of psychosis.
| hinkley wrote:
| Like thinking you're the sane one and everyone else is
| insane.
| psychosistreat wrote:
| "Cannabidiol and Amisulpride Improve Cognition in Acute
| Schizophrenia in an Explorative, Double-Blind, Active-Controlled,
| Randomized Clinical Trial"
| https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8117353/ :
|
| > This study shows that both CBD and AMI improve neurocognitive
| functioning with comparable efficacy in young and acutely ill
| schizophrenia patients via an anandamide-independent mechanism.
|
| cannabidiol amisulpride:
| https://www.google.com/search?q=cannabidiol+amisulpride
| psychosistreat wrote:
| "Cannabidiol and Amisulpride Improve Cognition in Acute
| Schizophrenia in an Explorative, Double-Blind, Active-Controlled,
| Randomized Clinical Trial"
| https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8117353/ :
|
| > This study shows that both CBD and AMI improve neurocognitive
| functioning with comparable efficacy in young and acutely ill
| schizophrenia patients via an anandamide-independent mechanism.
|
| cannabis amisulpride:
| https://www.google.com/search?q=cannabidiol+amisulpride
| psychosistreat wrote:
| Does verbally engaging by speaking and/or listening to e.g.
| music with vocals or podcasts helpfully occupy the brain when
| there is psychosis?
|
| Do headphones playing audio with words just loose around the
| neck, not even on, help stave off verbal psychosis?
|
| language learning apps,
|
| music from another room:
| https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Music%20from%20...
| giantg2 wrote:
| Isn't this a main idea in the film A Beautiful Mind?
|
| If rates of psychosis are going up, why? It seems very worrying
| when rates of depression, suicide, psychosis, and other mental
| illnesses are increasing with what seems like no understanding of
| why or what to do to prevent the increase.
| y-curious wrote:
| I was just researching John Nash. In the film, he takes
| antipsychotic medication because the film producers didn't want
| to encourage people to not take their meds. In real life, he
| never was on antipsychotics and learned to live with his
| disease.
| TrackerFF wrote:
| And to some extent, Brian Wilson (of Beach Boys fame). Who has
| told that his voices are mostly negative, but sometimes also a
| positive force. But in any case, apparently he learned to live
| with them since his onset in the mid 1960s.
| throw18376 wrote:
| this and other alternative schizophrenia treatments a very good
| thing when they work, which is relatively rare.
|
| as we can see from the comments here already, many people choose
| to believe these alternative treatments always work and there is
| never any need for antipsychotics.
|
| it completely makes sense that some people who suffer from the
| horrible side effects of antipsychotics would have some wishful
| thinking of this kind.
|
| what i don't get is why random people with no skin in the game,
| are often so emotionally invested in the idea that antipsychotics
| don't work or are unnecessary. but it's very common.
| phkahler wrote:
| >> what i don't get is why random people with no skin in the
| game, are often so emotionally invested in....
|
| Insert any subject there. This is a really interesting topic. I
| can understand having an idea on a subject, but why cling so
| tightly to the flimsy ones or refuse to accept them as wrong
| when given evidence?
| hinkley wrote:
| I would tend to presume that alternative treatments paired with
| _lower_ doses of antipsychotics would be a goal, rather than
| none. There comes a point where control is the goal rather than
| quality of life. And the treatment of Thorazine in the media in
| particular has not been kind.
| dang wrote:
| Related. Others?
|
| _What happens when people with acute psychosis meet the voices
| in their heads?_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41980986
| - Oct 2024 (150 comments)
|
| _For those who hear voices, the 'broken brain' explanation is
| harmful_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41434484 - Sept
| 2024 (285 comments)
|
| _People who have unusual, or non-existent, inner voices_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29068561 - Nov 2021 (268
| comments)
|
| _The last great mystery of the mind - inner voices_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28994542 - Oct 2021 (4
| comments)
|
| _A difficult case: Diagnosis made by hallucinatory voices
| (1997)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28904019 - Oct
| 2021 (28 comments)
|
| _A difficult case: Diagnosis made by hallucinatory voices
| (1997)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23547367 - June
| 2020 (75 comments)
|
| _Researchers listen to people who hear voices_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20363387 - July 2019 (19
| comments)
|
| _Hallucinations Are Everywhere (2018)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19480576 - March 2019 (53
| comments)
|
| _A Life Hearing Voices: How I Manage Auditory Hallucinations_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16167545 - Jan 2018 (34
| comments)
|
| _People Who Hear Voices Could Be on to Something_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14653184 - June 2017 (105
| comments)
|
| _What 's Up with Those Voices in Your Head?_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12802231 - Oct 2016 (55
| comments)
|
| _Learning to Live with the Voices in Your Head (2014)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11539263 - April 2016 (21
| comments)
|
| _When I stopped hearing the voices in my head_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10569110 - Nov 2015 (69
| comments)
|
| _In Some Cultures People with Schizophrenia Like the Voices They
| Hear_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10328026 - Oct 2015
| (34 comments)
|
| _The voices in my head: Eleanor Longden 's 'psychic civil war'_
| - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9143928 - March 2015 (7
| comments)
| joshuamcginnis wrote:
| This reminds me an article I saw a while back about how thinking
| about ones tinnitus actually made it worse.
| djaouen wrote:
| > Clients learn to accept them and move forward. People might
| "truly believe that they are spies for the government and lived
| on Mars," Menschel said. "But they now know not to bring that up
| in social situations."
|
| Many people believe in such things and are also successful. The
| difference is that successful people align themselves with those
| who hold the _actual_ keys to Reality.
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