[HN Gopher] Grayjay Desktop App
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Grayjay Desktop App
Author : pierrelf
Score : 250 points
Date : 2024-12-20 17:33 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| pvg wrote:
| Thread last year https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37924776
| dang wrote:
| Thanks! Macroexpanded:
|
| _Grayjay - Follow Creators Not Platforms_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37924776 - Oct 2023 (106
| comments)
| IronWolve wrote:
| We always been missing good 3rd party search/trending for online
| videos.
|
| I've been using a youtube frontend called pockettube, where I
| could make lists(channels) for content I like, without youtube
| forcing me what to watch.
|
| Example. I have an Art and Food channels with my favorite content
| creators, I get to see the list in order of newest videos first,
| totally bypassing youtubes forced interface.
|
| In fact, if people started creating front ends to youtube with
| real search/suggestion engines, you could find new content and
| help the less viewed but good content that gets bypassed.
|
| Grayjay is great, since it uses multiple video providers, but you
| still have to "Know" who to follow. The search "Knowing" part is
| still word of mouth, random change of seeing a creators video, or
| the platforms showing it to you. Combine the 2, and it would be
| unstoppable.
|
| I think if someone came up with a external database of content
| providers on multiple platforms that allows apps like
| grayjay/pockettube/etc to find new content, that is the missing
| piece.
| duxup wrote:
| Finding content is so hard.
|
| All YouTube wants me to watch are "OMG YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE
| WHAT THIS COP DID" content. I have no idea why they want me to
| watch those videos, I never do and I block the videos and the
| channels from recommendations but they keep coming ...
|
| All I get are ads for weird suspect drugs and products, just
| going on these platforms is such a bad vibe.
| johan914 wrote:
| YouTube has become especially horrific. It seems a couple
| years ago they gave up on video search- after 5 videos it
| will suddenly start recommending random videos under "you may
| like". If I watch one UFC video I am flooded with
| recommendations of Joe Rogan, despite my subscriptions all
| being unrelated.
| slater wrote:
| Best thing is, if I search for something it'll give me
| hundreds of search results. But if I then decide to filter
| by upload date, whooopsie! there are no search results,
| sorry!
| throwawayq3423 wrote:
| You watch 2-3 videos on autopilot and Joe Rogan always pops
| up eventually. With that kind of promotion I dont
| understand why he's not bigger.
| macinjosh wrote:
| He's pretty big. He helped tip a presidential election.
| layer8 wrote:
| I don't remember ever getting a Joe Rogan recommendation.
| hollerith wrote:
| I have (recently).
| Fauntleroy wrote:
| Have you tried informing YouTube that you are not
| interested in Joe Rogan? There are several places and ways
| to do so in the application, and they seem to have worked
| for me.
| munificent wrote:
| My experience is that YouTube recommendations are heavily
| weighted based on my watch history. If I watch a single video
| on, say, videogames, all of a sudden my recommendations are
| all gamer stuff.
|
| Fortunately, you can easily edit your watch history. I just
| go through mine periodically and remove any kind of video
| that I don't want recommendations related to. Doing that has
| given me a very dialed in recommendation feed. If anything,
| it's _too_ dialed in, and I rarely get serendipitous
| recommendations.
| haltcatchfire wrote:
| My YouTube recommendations are like 80% RC planes
| johnny22 wrote:
| > it's too dialed in, and I rarely get serendipitous
| recommendations
|
| Youtube is doing better here for me in that respect than it
| used to. Once a week for the past month I get a button that
| asks if i want to see things it doesn't usually show me and
| I've even watched some of them. It's not perfect, but it
| does seem like they are trying.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| It's biased by your watch history, but it's never _just_
| that. In my experience (browsing without accounts, in
| private browsing with no cookies, on rotating IPs), there
| seems to be a distinct spot in the algorithm for some
| inflammatory engagement bait regardless of your history.
| That bait is not dependent on your watch history and is
| based on your geographic location by the looks of it.
|
| Regardless of what I watch, in the middle of otherwise on-
| topic recommendations, there will always be one or two
| videos that are attempts at getting me to engage with some
| complete off-topic inflammatory political bullshit. Of
| course, once you click on that, the "regular"
| recommendation system takes over and feeds you more of that
| (which is _somewhat_ fine), but the fact that it 's trying
| to suck the user into this in the first place despite no
| indications the he desires to be exposed to such content in
| the first place is disgusting.
| DrillShopper wrote:
| > I block the videos and the channels from recommendations
| but they keep coming
|
| Part of this is channels opening side or mirror channels that
| they upload their videos to as well (since you'll sometimes
| see the exact same video but no ContentID strike) so they can
| get around people doing that.
| grahamj wrote:
| It's funny eh, the world's largest personal data collection
| company and they still have no idea what videos you want to
| watch lol
| rel_ic wrote:
| Their goal is not to show you videos you want to watch!
| layer8 wrote:
| Select "not interested" for those videos. There's also "don't
| recommend this channel". "Like" videos that you like. Your
| feed will quickly adjust.
| duxup wrote:
| Done that, no joy.
| PittleyDunkin wrote:
| > Your feed will quickly adjust.
|
| It does adjust in _some way_ , but somehow it never picks
| up on the signal that actually made me like or dislike a
| video. It's very clear that some video-makers have figured
| out how to exploit this poor signal reception to shove
| really crappy content at people. Other video-makers, who
| aren't trying to dominate youtube revenue, are buried and
| difficult to find.
|
| TikTok, meanwhile, takes about an hour of scrolling and
| reacting to cultivate a feed that is _very_ tailored to my
| taste. It 's truly remarkable. If the app gets banned it'll
| be a huge loss for finding people and content with similar
| interests.
|
| (I also just don't have the desire to watch an entire
| 10-minute video packed with filler when I'm trying to relax
| unless it's very dense, and that's the entire revenue model
| of youtube. edit: I forgot youtube has shorts now)
| nkrisc wrote:
| The problem is it never stops recommending stuff. So if I
| say to never show me some channel (because maybe it's
| irrelevant to me), then it just fills that spot with the
| next slightly more irrelevant channel.
|
| Pretty soon all the recommendations are way far off what I
| would ever watch, because of course _i don't want to watch
| everything YouTube has_. There is a point where there is
| nothing left that I will ever wanted to watch.
| franczesko wrote:
| Watching hobby channels every now and then is very
| refreshing. I wish YT would recommend me more of those
| heraldgeezer wrote:
| For you. My recommendations are tech videos, documentaries
| and good music. I find YouTube to have a great recommendation
| engine. I do use ublock origin.
| princevegeta89 wrote:
| Look into DeArrow https://dearrow.ajay.app/
|
| Cuts down a ton of crap and shows you thumbnails and titles
| of things for what they really are.
| sellmesoap wrote:
| I've been using DeArrow
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36273890 it calms down
| the thumbnail clickbait on YouTube, I feel like I enjoy
| YouTube more by watching less.
| damiante wrote:
| The Grayjay Android app (which I use regularly) has a
| "Recommended" tab under each video that provides anonymous
| recommendations based only on the video you're watching. I
| recall them asking me to opt-in to the creation of a database
| like this as well recently, but I don't think it's available
| yet.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, the idea is to have a plugin system for
| recommendation engines in the future. You can choose whichever
| recommendation engine you like and it will tell you what data
| will be sent to the recommendation engine in order to be able
| to make recommendations for you. There will likely also be
| recommendation plugins that run fully offline for people who
| care a lot about privacy.
| IronWolve wrote:
| Be interesting if someone makes a nice recommendation engine
| (search) that does trending of real videos by views/votes,
| not fake hand picked curated trending like yt.
|
| Seems like people are finally annoyed at being controlled on
| what they are fed while they consume content. Thats what i
| like about grayjay, it embraced that freedom of the original
| internet, not letting corps control what you, putting the
| control back into the hands of the viewers.
|
| I toyed with an idea for a patreon clone, that would allow
| users to post a thumbnail to their video, and underneath
| quick links to other hosting providers. So the main choice is
| upto the creator, but also allow users to choose a different
| content streamer. I always hated how these services
| controlled creators too. What stores they can use.
|
| The idea of a "plugin" or provider, creators could pick their
| merch store provider even. Such ideas of opening a system to
| different companies, making competition.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here. What you suggest you can already do in
| the Grayjay Android app. Support has not been added in the
| desktop app yet. Harbor is the app you can use to claim
| that you own a specific account and then you can configure
| for example which Merch to show. It supports the largest
| storefronts if you input an URL it will automatically
| scrape that specific page and cache the results. You can
| however also input a JSON.
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| Linux version seems to work good. Was able to sync with my phone
| with no issues. My only complaint with either of them is YT
| Shorts support. I'll have to stick with Freetube for that I guess
| since there is a couple of creators that I follow that only
| release shorts
| tonijn wrote:
| Having no Shorts would be a huge plus imho
| grahamj wrote:
| yeah this is a feature not a bug lol
| em-bee wrote:
| i think the problem with shorts is not their length but how
| youtube presents them.
|
| freetube shows shorts in the same way it shows normal videos,
| just in a separate category. you have to look for them and
| click to see them and they don't push you to jump to the next
| one, and most importantly they are not random, just your
| subscribed channels.
|
| some channels use them as intro/overview for their longer
| videos which i find useful. other channels use them for
| stupid stuff which i ignore.
|
| you can ignore them completely if you want. freetube also has
| a category for livestreams, which i ignore to the point that
| i forget it's there.
|
| grayjay could support shorts in the same way.
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| Exactly
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, shorts will come, but on a tab you can turn
| off.
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| Can't wait!
| ddingus wrote:
| YES! And thank you for a great app that is getting better.
|
| I bought in right away too. Louis gave a rundown on the
| idea; namely, you can pay for it, or not pay for it, and in
| either case we are going to do our best to make it work for
| you, and maybe those you recommend it to.
|
| Nice. Happy to support thinking like that.
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| Does freetube has macos arm app yet? I found emulated one
| unbearably slow.
| Hadriel wrote:
| What about Tiktok? Add that and i'm interested
| k3vinw wrote:
| Lol. Don't hold your breath. I used to enjoy TikTok until they
| forced me to create an account and install their spyware.
| philsnow wrote:
| What spyware? I don't have a tiktok account
| RandallBrown wrote:
| Because TikTok is a Chinese company most people just
| consider the app to by spyware. It's probably not any more
| spyware than other similar apps, but being owned by China
| makes it a little more worrisome to some people.
| radicality wrote:
| Take a look at the following blog post that looks at
| TikTok's encrypted VM and how it profiles you. And this is
| just on the website, without even installing the app.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34109771
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, TikTok plugin pretty much works already, we
| just need to add the respective UI for both mobile and desktop
| to make it work nicely.
| riazrizvi wrote:
| I'd like to believe it but I'm so jaded at this point. Give you,
| one vendor, all my data from these different platforms to
| 'protect my privacy', that I only have at this point because my
| behavior is dispersed across platforms. Hmmm.
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| I don't have a FUTO, Grayjay, or Youtube account and use the
| app just fine
| RobotToaster wrote:
| You're right to be sceptical, they still have their proprietary
| license that basically forbids forking.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, forking is not forbidden.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, you are not giving us any data. You can
| review the source code, the only data being sent to us is a
| single data on bootup to let us know how many users we have.
| rollcat wrote:
| Bug report (macOS): the app does not allow copy/paste, text
| selection, or even quitting thru Cmd-* shortcuts - it has no
| entries in the top menu bar whatsoever. There are also no context
| menus.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, noted. Thank you.
| tines wrote:
| Instead of having to visit several drug dealers, this will
| aggregate all my favorite drugs into one convenient place.
| Fantastic!
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Works well so far! Good work!
|
| Nit: the Linux release should use a compressed tarball, not .zip
| smithza wrote:
| What is the functional difference? unzip is installed as a
| default on linux distros just as tar is...
| dgreensp wrote:
| The site CSS is a little broken on iPhone, causing elements to
| hang off the screen or overlap. FAQ link gives a 404.
|
| Technically, I think this is against YouTube (for example) TOS,
| though I don't expect that would be enforced against end users.
| aniviacat wrote:
| It's broken on Android/Firefox, too.
| xyst wrote:
| The modern day "Trillian" for video/musiv
| nurettin wrote:
| The Trillian I knew was a jabber client
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Jabber and AIM and ICQ and MSN messenger...
| ramon156 wrote:
| I don't get the motivation. You want to prevent doom-scrolling? I
| don't doom-scroll on Spotify, why is that there?
| RandallBrown wrote:
| I think the point is to follow a creator. So if you like an
| artist, you'd follow them and get their Instagram, YouTube,
| Spotify, Twitch, etc. all in one place.
| Vt71fcAqt7 wrote:
| Seems like a verry brittle setup. Since it adds adblock by
| default all this will do is make youtube crack down on adblock
| even more.
| duxup wrote:
| It feels like there is a trend of apps out there that are
| "about" creators, but then happily shaft them ...
| Joe_Cool wrote:
| I thought so too when I started using the android version. I
| was surprised when GrayJay's Youtube plugin was promptly
| updated the same day Youtube broke it. NewPipe needed a few
| days to work again.
| leshokunin wrote:
| This seems cool. Will test on Mac later today. Would like an iOS
| app
| duxup wrote:
| This feels like a central hub for media you like?
|
| I would assume these privacy claims would also include a ToS
| violation for the given platform?
|
| And then of course the user has given Grayjay a lot of info so
| privacy?
|
| Are they scraping the actual content too or just accessing it in
| some different way?
| Joe_Cool wrote:
| It doesn't use any API (at least the YouTube plugin). So they
| are (according to their lawyers) not bound to any TOS. All it
| does is open the page (like a browser) and grab it and only
| show stuff to the user that's "relevant".
|
| You can check it yourself, while it is not "open-source" or
| "free" in the usual sense its source is available.
|
| More details from Rossmann himself:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqTYg6vnQvw
|
| edit: TOS not API
| ethagknight wrote:
| This looks really interesting. Specifically I would love to be
| able to set up something like this for my kids so that I have
| control over what they are able to watch on YouTube. I want to
| offer my kids whitelisted shows and creator accounts. I know
| theres a lot of interesting and high quality stuff out there but
| I do NOT want YT recommending things to my kids without going
| through me first.
|
| Grayjay looks like it may be a solution!
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| I have NewPipe on my kid's tablets which is pretty good too,
| but it breaks more often. But it's great to have no ads +
| sponsorblock.
|
| Between that and pirated shows/movies my kids are absolutely
| puzzled by commercials when we stay at a hotel or with family.
| foxbarrington wrote:
| This is the most maddening thing about all content now. It's
| all platform based and every platform wants to constantly
| push/"recommend" things to you and your kids. Right now I use
| Roku and Plex but even both of those are constantly trying to
| break down the wall.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, this is for sure a use case we have in mind.
| The idea is in the future to allow you to share subscription
| groups you've made for your kids with friends.
|
| Maybe there can be a website where people share subscription
| groups with each other in general. Good archery channels, good
| fitness channel, kid safe channels, etc.
|
| Another thing I am pondering is if it is worth adding a mode
| that prevents your kids from accessing other content then what
| is in a specific subscription group.
| ethagknight wrote:
| Thanks for the reply, I will give Grayjay a shot.
|
| I think just letting the primary account specify
| creators/channels and then have a sub accounts with no
| ability to modify would be sufficient.
|
| Im sure there are already all sorts of recommendation groups
| or sites, maybe just provide links to quality ones?
| NelsonMinar wrote:
| Looks interesting, does it allow for offline caching or archiving
| of media?
|
| It mentions using the Harbor identity service, that's new to me.
| https://harbor.social/
| AnonHP wrote:
| I'm getting a 404 error for the FAQ link in the footer. It seems
| like this is similar to FreeTube [1] (which is YouTube only
| though, whereas Grayjay supports multiple platforms). Does
| Grayjay allow downloading videos (and if yes, does it also allow
| choosing the quality/format)?
|
| [1]: https://github.com/FreeTubeApp/FreeTube
| WaltPurvis wrote:
| What is this app? Avast blocks the site as malware. False
| positive?
|
| "This URL contains malicious code that could harm your computer.
| If you're willing to risk it, you can turn off your Avast Web
| Shield to continue. But we strongly recommend walking away from
| this one."
| DaSHacka wrote:
| Somewhat ironic trusting malware to tell you what's malware and
| what's not
| SpaghettiCthulu wrote:
| Definitely a false positive
| mawise wrote:
| Oh cool, it's like RSS consumption for video content (I think). I
| worry that since it isn't using blessed APIs it would get shut
| down by the platforms if it gets much traction. Also "trust me
| instead of them" can be a tough sell to the privacy-focused
| crowd. I'd love something that makes it trivial effort for the
| creators to directly publish on more open platforms--more like
| RSS publishing for video content. But youtube gives you discovery
| and a cut in the ad revenue, so I'm not sure how to get the
| incentives to align...
| altairprime wrote:
| You don't need APIs if your app includes a web browser, though;
| you just need the patience to hook into the browser's APIs,
| rather than the page's, in order to backup content when viewed.
| User-operated Selenium is legitimately the biggest threat model
| to content islands. It's too bad a third-party had to invent
| Grayjay as a standalone, rather than one of the browsers
| figuring this out and shipping it as subscription-payment
| functionality :/
|
| (It has to be subscription payment to deal in a scaleable and
| timely manner with sites changing their page schemas
| anticompetitively.)
| daft_pink wrote:
| I'm excited. Are we ever going to see an iOS version?
| NotPractical wrote:
| The App Store forbids any app that violates the terms of
| service of any company [1], regardless of the legality [2].
| Since YouTube forbids alternative clients in their terms of
| service, Apple will not allow Grayjay onto the App Store. Even
| in the EU, where multiple app stores are available, you still
| need to follow a subset of the App Store guidelines. I looked
| through them and it appears that the ToS violation guideline is
| in fact exempt for EU apps [1], so they could release a version
| in the EU exclusively. However, they may be subject to the Core
| Technology Fee.
|
| [1] 5.2.2, 5.2.3: https://developer.apple.com/app-
| store/review/guidelines/#int...
|
| [2] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/federal-judge-rules-
| it...
| alex-robbins wrote:
| "Source First License 1.1" is an interesting choice. Sounds like
| something specific to this developer (so far, at least). I'm not
| savvy enough to be sure, but it doesn't sound compatible with any
| of the commonly accepted-as-FOSS licenses.
|
| https://github.com/futo-org/Grayjay.Desktop/blob/373cd8448cb...
| bramhaag wrote:
| > it doesn't sound compatible with any of the commonly
| accepted-as-FOSS licenses.
|
| Correct, it violates the four essential freedoms by placing
| restrictions on commercial use amongst other things.
| akimbostrawman wrote:
| It's closer to source available than proprietary
| srid wrote:
| NixOS packaging request if anybody would like to contribute:
| https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/366543
| high_priest wrote:
| I love the dictation (STT) app from the same (FUTO) creator. It
| has completely replaced any other dictation solutions on my phone
| & it is fully offline!
| mh-cx wrote:
| Can someone explain what this is? The page has almost no
| information (on mobile) and I don't want to install just to find
| out.
| moralestapia wrote:
| "Grayjay combines video content from multiple platforms, such
| as YouTube, PeerTube, Twitch, and others, into one app,
| removing the need to switch between different platforms."
| infotainment wrote:
| Aside from vaguely implying it's some kind of media player
| that plays content from the internet, that doesn't tell a
| whole lot.
|
| Some screenshots would be a nice addition to their page.
| lewiscarson wrote:
| Screenshots disappear for some reason on mobile. Home page
| has screenshots but only of the mobile app.
| burkaman wrote:
| There are a bunch of screenshots on the linked page, you
| might have a plugin that is interfering with the content if
| you don't see them.
| nfriedly wrote:
| Grayjay is a video player for YouTube and other services. I
| believe its ad-free and "algorithm-free", meaning it just gives
| you every video from every channel you subscribe to, in
| chronological order. It was initially for Android and iOS.
|
| It's backed by Louis Rossmann, who does a lot of right to
| repair advocacy, among other things.
| grahamj wrote:
| This looks cool. Sort of a FreeTube with plugins?
| tambourine_man wrote:
| Content overflows viewport in iPhone SE
| NotPractical wrote:
| The best feature of alternative YT clients IMO is "multiple
| subscription lists". I have so many subscriptions, when using the
| official YouTube app or site the "subscriptions" feed is
| overwhelming, and I prefer not to use the algorithmically-
| generated "home" feed. Since YT has kind of become the de facto
| "place to upload videos on the Internet", video topics are broad
| enough to constitute multiple web sites, and I like to be able to
| filter channels by topic rather than having them all grouped
| together.
|
| If you're opposed to using a separate app just for this, you can
| achieve something similar using an RSS reader and YT's official
| RSS feeds (which I'm surprised they still publish tbh).
| jimmydddd wrote:
| Great point. There are many yt channels that I would subscribe
| to if yt had multiple subscription lists. Channels I find
| interesting, but not enough so that I want them to "clog up" my
| main subscription channel.
| ortusdux wrote:
| Reddit had the same issue not too long ago. I remember a
| popular post where a user described their workaround of
| creating an account for each field of interest. To Reddit's
| credit, they did implement custom feeds not to long after,
| which lets you group batches of subreddits. Not something I'd
| expect YouTube to do.
| hysan wrote:
| Did you know that YouTube used to have this exact feature? It
| was called subscription collections and they publicly promised
| that they would replace that feature with something better when
| they removed it. That never happened. It's been 9 maybe 10
| years since they said that. [1]
|
| The removal of that feature was an intentional push to take
| away user agency and push them into using YouTube's
| recommendation algorithm. The lying was a way to misdirect user
| complaints until it was too late.
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38101629#38104494
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Never trust the platform. User sovereignty or bust.
| gryn wrote:
| Yup. I really liked that feature, but hey who cares about
| user preferences. the only thing that matter is engagement
| metrics. it's not like there's any real competition to
| YouTube you can run to. and the hunt for ad-blockers is
| getting fiercer.
|
| my workaround to getting different topics separated have been
| to have multiple YouTube channels inside a single account,
| each with separate likes/sub channels/recommendations etc.
| one per Firefox container.
| em-bee wrote:
| freetube has multiple subscription lists. they call it
| profiles. any channel can be in multiple profiles of your
| choice.
| uxjw wrote:
| Seems similar to the updated Reeder app for mac/iOS. Its an RSS
| reeder that now works with Youtube channels, Reddit subreddits,
| Bluesky, Flickr, etc. https://reeder.app/
| lkurtz wrote:
| Recommending (and running) `xattr -c` can be extremely dangerous.
| I would suggest withholding Mac releases until they can be
| distributed/run safely.
| crazygringo wrote:
| As someone not very familiar, is there any legitimate reason
| why they say "Our Apple signing/notarization is not entirely
| done yet"?
|
| It feels extremely suspicious, given that I download lots of
| other popular utility software from independent devs and I've
| never had to do that before.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| As a platform that basically started as a way to watch
| Youtube without tracking and ads, I think Grayjay should be
| sceptical of any third party code signing validation
| requirements. The copyright lobby has gone after software and
| its distributors before, even if it doesn't inherently pirate
| any content without user configuration.
|
| I don't know why this app would need Apple's signature in the
| first place, seeing as it's not distributed through the app
| store. Is this like how you need to pay for a certificate to
| make the "are you sure you want to run this" prompt look less
| scary?
| lkurtz wrote:
| There are certainly valid, conflicting opinions around
| signing/notarization requirements for software. But
| notarization does provide end users with some safety
| guarantees that legitimately make running the software less
| risky. The scariness of "are you sure you want to run this"
| prompts is fairly grounded in real risk assumed by the end
| user.
| lkurtz wrote:
| There are a couple of legitimate reasons, namely the
| expense/KYC process of an Apple Developer Program membership
| and/or the complexity of integrating signing + notarization
| into existing build pipelines (but XCode does makes it pretty
| straightforward to cut an ad-hoc release that is signed and
| notarized).
|
| In my opinion at least, the most likely reason is that Apple
| is refusing to notarize the software. If this is the case,
| people really should not be running it.
| rane wrote:
| Not everyone wants to pay $99/year to be able to notarize
| software that is not going to make them any money.
|
| https://github.com/disable-gatekeeper/disable-
| gatekeeper.git...
| josephcsible wrote:
| That doesn't map to safety or danger at all. It's purely a way
| of opting out of the developer having to pay the Apple tax.
| AiAi wrote:
| Trying this since YouTube just started blocking my ad blocker. It
| seems to be working well on Linux.
|
| I didn't find a feedback button on the app itself, so if the
| authors are reading, some things I miss from using YouTube's
| website:
|
| - Videos in new tabs; - Search bar always visible.
| jhund wrote:
| I also noticed that Youtube prevents me from watching videos on
| their site starting today because I have an adblocker
| (uBlockOrigin) installed.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Huh, weird license: https://github.com/futo-
| org/Grayjay.Desktop/blob/master/LICE... Not sure what this means,
| guess I'll have to treat it as good old "source available"
| software.
| smcleod wrote:
| Weird that it disables the use of right click, paste and
| seemingly your password manager when trying to login to services
| via the app.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, good point, will add right click, paste.
| josephcsible wrote:
| Why wasn't it supported all along? Doesn't basically every
| text field support it by default?
| bisby wrote:
| Launching the Linux release and noticed in the logs:
|
| Directories:User Directory: /home/bisby/Grayjay
|
| And there is a directory there now. I absolutely hate having
| stuff automatically create anything in my home directory like
| this. Ideally, this should be following XDG directory guidelines
| on linux: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-
| spec/latest/
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here. If you want it to use your user directory
| like other apps, just remove the file called "Portable". Keep
| in mind that it just uses your working directory to write files
| otherwise.
| godDLL wrote:
| That's a windows-ism, we don't like that kind of stuff. Not
| on any other OS we don't.
| freedomben wrote:
| Parent is not wrong, but definitely could have some
| improved manners and tact.
|
| As a linux user I wanted to make sure to say thank you for
| supporting and thinking about linux!
| santoshalper wrote:
| Actually, parent is wrong. You're not supposed to do that
| shit on Windows either. That's what AppData is for.
| Writing configuration files and folders to "Documents" or
| the user's home folder is sloppy shit.
| indrora wrote:
| Even Windows has %appdata% which is where you put stuff on
| disk that you need to stash away. There's also function
| calls iirc which will give you a handle to a temporary file
| if you need it.
| SpaghettiCthulu wrote:
| You should be using `~/.local/share`, `~/.config`, and other
| standard directories on Unix systems. macOS has its own
| conventions.
| zamalek wrote:
| You shouldn't even use those, at least hardcoded. Follow
| the XDG Base Directories spec:
| https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/
| Lariscus wrote:
| Is a Flatpak release planned? I am interested in Grayjay but
| don't really want to deal with a binary that lives outside of
| my distros package manager.
| ChocolateGod wrote:
| [delayed]
| lsowen wrote:
| FYI, the FAQ link in the footer (https://grayjay.app/faq) appears
| to be broken (throws a 404)
| withinboredom wrote:
| FYI: I accidentally logged into my wrong patreon account and
| expected "logout then login" to prompt me to login again. It
| doesn't. It just logs me back in with the same user.
| koen31 wrote:
| Grayjay dev here, that's a bug, I wrote it down. You can
| probably work around it for now by logging out -> restart app
| -> log back in.
| josephcsible wrote:
| Please remove "Also available on FDroid" from the page. This app
| is not available on F-Droid and isn't allowed to be added to it
| since it isn't open source.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| Indeed, it is "Source First" license, dev(s) reasoning here:
| https://futo.org/about/futo-statement-on-opensource/
| graemep wrote:
| I agree that is misleading. It has its own F-droid compatible
| repo so you can use an F-Droid client. When I hear "available
| on F-Droid" I assume it means its in the F-Droid repo.
| risho wrote:
| where it says available on fdroid it links to their personal
| fdroid repository. plenty of projects both open source and not
| have their own fdroid repository. fdroid is both a repository
| that only allows open source software and a packaging
| infrastructure tool for people hosting their own repositories.
| based on the fact their claim that they are on fdroid literally
| hyperlinks to their fdroid repository i don't see how anyone
| could find that misleading. if anything it's fdroids fault for
| giving their own repository the same name as their
| infrastructure tool instead of doing what every other project
| did and give them separate names. for example docker and
| dockerhub, flatpak and flathub, etc.
|
| here is a list of 100+ not official fdroid repositories.
| https://github.com/userkilled/FDroid-List-Repository
| paulnpace wrote:
| > if anything it's fdroids fault for giving their own
| repository the same name as their infrastructure tool instead
| of doing what every other project did and give them separate
| names. for example docker and dockerhub, flatpak and flathub,
| etc.
|
| F-That
| Arnavion wrote:
| For anyone who wants a lo-fi solution to subscribing to a youtube
| channel without having to deal with the youtube.com website,
| every channel has a built-in Atom feed that contains an entry for
| each video. My pipeline for watching subscribed channels is to
| just run a feed reader in one terminal (newsboat) and then copy-
| paste new videos from that into an adjacent terminal running a
| loop that runs `yt-dlp` on each pasted line.
|
| You can find the feed URL by inspecting the HTML of the
| youtube.com/channel/.../videos page and searching for "rssUrl";
| it'll look like
| `www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UC...`
|
| Downside: this feed will contain shorts and livestreams in
| addition to videos and AFAIK there's no way to filter those out.
| Depending on the channel, the title might make it obvious whether
| it's one of those.
| ddingus wrote:
| Request: When I use NewPipe, I can drop a YT URL into the search
| bar, which then treats it just like an address, more or less
| immediately playing the video
|
| This would be nice to see in GreyJay.
|
| Edit: Oh never mind! I just took the update, and it is in the can
| now!
|
| You guys rock. Thank you.
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