[HN Gopher] Exposing the Clearingstelle Urheberrecht Im Internet...
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Exposing the Clearingstelle Urheberrecht Im Internet (CUII)
Author : pabs3
Score : 140 points
Date : 2024-12-19 02:19 UTC (20 hours ago)
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| toenail wrote:
| That's how governments bypass the legal system: they create
| private entities that do the dirty work, and when the government
| wants to illegally censor somebody they use those private
| entities. Works for speech, finance, ..
| andai wrote:
| In this case at least the pressure (defending intellectual
| property) seems to be coming from private entities, right?
| toenail wrote:
| Sure, abuse by the government is the exception, private
| enforcement with little oversight has to be normalized
| before.
| lobochrome wrote:
| Exactly. In fact the government has regulated these private
| entities to make sure the process has some transparency
| because of net neutrality.
|
| The initiative is entirely private. ISPs and copyright
| holders are collaborating to save legal costs.
|
| Boohoo government censorship is totally inappropriate here ;)
| lovich wrote:
| Remember, only government issued boots are bad. Corporate
| owned boots are made of much higher quality so it almost
| feels like a massage when they are pressed against your
| neck
| MrBuddyCasino wrote:
| I see, a fellow Mike Benz respecter.
| echoangle wrote:
| The CUII blocks seem to only be applied at the DNS level, so if
| you just use a different DNS server from the ISP default, you're
| fine.
| moontear wrote:
| Circumvention is easy, that is true. It still leaves a sour
| taste in one's mouth that you can't use any default German ISP
| DNS server without seemingly random blocking orders.
| cynicalsecurity wrote:
| It doesn't matter how easy it is to bypass. It's about this
| situation of violation of freedom and transparency not being
| acceptable in the first place.
| echoangle wrote:
| But the main service of my ISP is the internet access, the
| DNS is basically a free addition that isn't really relevant
| to the thing I contract them for.
|
| Its like renting a server at Hetzner and their wiki on how to
| install some program has an error. It's not ideal but the
| main point of the service isn't impacted.
| xvinci wrote:
| That's a very naive take imho. As far as I am aware your
| default DNS server on widnows is obtained via DHCP, meaning
| for most people it is chosen by the hardware provided by
| your ISP. Most people would include working DNS resolution
| to their "I bought internet access from you", even though
| they might not know about DNS and you are tecnically right.
| But I bet even judges would see it that way.
| lovich wrote:
| Yea, arguing that DNS resolution is not part of your
| internet service is like the utility arguing that water
| isn't included as part of your hookup, the real service
| is the pipes and you can source alternate water to fill
| it
| echoangle wrote:
| Even the router isn't really your ISPs job, I bring my
| own and don't care. Of course some users are just going
| to do the easy thing and get Router and config from the
| ISP. But that's less bad than DPI for example.
| rfl890 wrote:
| Keep in mind that their target demographic isn't hackers,
| it's the average Joe who probably doesn't know what DNS
| is.
| layer8 wrote:
| Not to excuse anything, but there's a significant segment
| of reasonably computer-savvy users between "hackers" and
| the average Joe, who do know well enough what DNS is,
| just like they know what VPNs are and their use for
| streaming and the like.
| immibis wrote:
| When are operating systems going to start resolving names
| themselves instead of relying on ISP caches?
| 7bit wrote:
| Why do you continue to argue down the naive path?
| axus wrote:
| I'm using the router provided by ISP as part of the
| contract for service. As long as they don't withhold
| administrator credentials, no problem.
| jcarrano wrote:
| Only because most people don't set their DNS server
| manually. When most OSes and/or browsers start ignoring the
| default DNS settings ISPs will devise another system which
| does impact the main point of the service.
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| What is DNS? What is level? What isp dns level domain block,
| what? I'm just a random grandma using the internet, and the
| site doesn't work for me?!
|
| DNS level blocking efficiently blocks content for 99% of the
| users, and that last 1% (or even less), can't be blocked at all
| (tor, vpns, etc.), so they don't matter.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| >I'm just a random grandma using the internet
|
| To be fair if you're a grandma in Germany you likely visit
| your favorite weather site and yahoo or whatever, as you can
| see from the leaked list of blocked ips it's basically
| illegal gambling and streaming sites.
|
| I get the theoretical argument but in practice pretty much
| anyone who is likely to run into dns blocked sites is also
| the kind of person who knows how to at least Google how to
| get past them
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| My dad (grandpa-aged) uses a local torrent site, heavily
| moderated though (viruses, etc. get quickly removed), and
| he uses that because it's in our native language (his
| english is bad) and movies come with subtitles in the
| torrent. If it gets blocked, there's no way he'll figure
| out DNS by himself.
| sharpshadow wrote:
| Yea that is repeatedly the case that certain websites stop
| working here in Germany because the ISP blocked them and one
| has to quick change DNS to 1.1.1.1 for example.
| morsch wrote:
| The list is at https://cuiiliste.de/domains
|
| It's smaller than I expected, 281 entries, yes, but half of those
| are variations of kinox.to, which was synonymous with pirate
| streaming for a while. Of course, sci hub is on it as well.
|
| Overall, it's kind of pathetic. I guess it works against the most
| casual and undetermined of pirates. Maybe that's all they want.
| iforgotpassword wrote:
| I don't care about the blocking, as has been commented here
| it's trivial to circumvent. Actually I think the work of the
| cuii is beneficial, now I have a nice up to date list of
| streaming platforms to pick from. :)
| thayne wrote:
| > One would assume that such a powerful entity operates
| transparently and adheres to strict monitoring practices, as
| outlined in their own Code of Conduct (Section 8)3.
| Unfortunately, that's far from the case.
|
| That sounds an aweful lot like how DMCA takedowns works in the
| states.
| niemandhier wrote:
| We need a clever way to proof the sustained financial loss in
| cases someone was blocked wrongfully.
|
| In theory one could sue for compensation, but the burden of proof
| rests with the claimant.
|
| Once there is a relevant danger of facing charges for mistakes
| the process will improve greatly, at the moment the incentives
| are misaligned.
| Modified3019 wrote:
| >One would assume that such a powerful entity operates
| transparently and adheres to strict monitoring practices, as
| outlined in their own Code of Conduct (Section 8)3.
| Unfortunately, that's far from the case.
|
| I had a laugh at this. The opposite is true, I assume that anyone
| responsible for policing themselves will behave in a malicious
| and/or incompetent manner.
| croisillon wrote:
| and blocklists for Austria too:
|
| https://netzsperre.liwest.at/
|
| https://blog.magenta.at/internet/sicherheit/netzsperre/
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