[HN Gopher] Nokia 5110 - Back from the Dead (2022)
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Nokia 5110 - Back from the Dead (2022)
Author : hackertux
Score : 238 points
Date : 2024-12-16 08:52 UTC (14 hours ago)
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| hackertux wrote:
| Looking for someone who can breathe new life into old phones,
| like Singer does with some Porsche models.
| rbanffy wrote:
| I'd kill for an EV 914.
|
| Although I also loved the sound of that little engine.
| Etheryte wrote:
| While I really like the idea, I think we're still too far out
| tech wise to make it a reality in a way that it would live up
| to the dream. EVs of today are really heavy and even with a
| fairly small range, I fear the weight from the batteries
| would butcher any kind of driving experience for a car like
| that. In time though, I hope we get plenty of old cars
| retrofitted to be EVs as the tech becomes lighter, cheaper
| and more standardized.
| rbanffy wrote:
| The 914 was always more toy than car anyway, so a short
| range is not really a deal breaker.
| toast0 wrote:
| People have been making EV VW Beetle since forever. The 914
| is just a weird looking Beetle. :P
|
| Probably have to accept it would be a short range car for
| going to work in warm but not hot weather and not a touring
| car.
| Etheryte wrote:
| The point isn't that it can't be done, EV conversions
| have been done for decades at this point, but that you'll
| get a car that's a whale compared to the original.
| jdietrich wrote:
| https://canev.com/products/porsche-914-ev-conversion-kit-
| wit...
|
| https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/products/electric-
| clas...
| rbanffy wrote:
| Now I need to find a 914 with a steering wheel on the right
| side (because of where I live).
| j_leboulanger wrote:
| Sound incredible !
|
| I like the word "simply" in this sentence
|
| > i will simply be able to recreate the baseboard with the new 4G
| module, a microcontroller, and some audio processing and power
| management circuitry and it will be able to seamlessly fit inside
| the phone.
|
| Seems like a bigger project than the author would let us think !
| But I hope to see the PCB soon !
| trymas wrote:
| Especially funny as article is from 2022 Nov.
| xattt wrote:
| Author conjured a primordial black hole by working on an
| Nokia and was never heard from again.
| zokier wrote:
| Well, I wouldn't call it trivial, but it's not completely
| outlandish idea. There is prior art in this Ringo kit, which
| does almost 90% of what's required here:
| https://github.com/CircuitMess/CircuitMess-Ringo
| blixt wrote:
| I was hoping to find a part 2, but since part 1 was written over
| 2 years ago I guess there's not much chance of that...
| roygbiv2 wrote:
| Yeah, not really a complete story is it.
| Rnewbs wrote:
| It was not, infact, easier than he thought.
| Double_a_92 wrote:
| Yup. This is nothing more than "Hmm, this Nokia has its
| physical UI on a separate board... maybe I could use that
| somehow".
| nuker wrote:
| Yep, all bait, no meat
| alnwlsn wrote:
| > "Thanks mostly to the phones age, interfacing with the UI
| board will be rather trivial"
|
| I guess part 2 was left as an exercise for the reader.
| rollcat wrote:
| Not that difficult, DIY dumbphones are _mostly_ case,
| buttons, display, etc.
|
| https://web.archive.org/web/20190827183214/http://alumni.med.
| ..
| dotancohen wrote:
| And a proprietary blob for actually communicating with the
| tower.
| grubbs wrote:
| Wonder if this would be possible for my Kindle DX 3G? It has no
| Wi-Fi but I still hold onto it.
| qiqitori wrote:
| The Quectel BG95 is a similar modem chip. If you want to add low-
| bandwidth connectivity in a project you can just get a BG95 or
| this Simcom as a devkit and e.g. a 1NCE SIM card, hook up the
| UART pins to your microcontroller and you're off to go. (You may
| need a logic level converter in between)
| walterbell wrote:
| Two annotated board-repair photos for Nokia 6110 / 5110:
|
| https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YF5WDLLK2nA/RhE6QSReO7I/AAAAAAAAB...
|
| https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YF5WDLLK2nA/RhE44SReO6I/AAAAAAAAB...
|
| Disassembly video (2019),
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdhlOlx2gxY
|
| Schematics: https://www.nodevice.com/service-
| manuals/telephone/nokia/611...
| wslh wrote:
| I recenly bought a Nokia 6300, not as a main mobile phone but
| because it includes Tethering, it is very light, changeable
| battery, practical as a mobile hotspot. It also has WhatsApp
| though.
| rjsw wrote:
| > It also has WhatsApp though.
|
| Not for much longer.
|
| I also got a Nokia 6300 to use for tethering and it works well
| for that.
| wslh wrote:
| Good to know! Thankfully, WhatsApp is just a minor detail in
| this context: tethering is the core feature. I'm curious, how
| has your battery performance been while using tethering?
| rjsw wrote:
| You need to keep it connected to the charger when
| tethering.
| wwoessi wrote:
| I would pay for a Nokia 5110 that is exactly like then except for
| the 4g call/sms part
| paxys wrote:
| Well good news for you - Nokia still sells plenty of these
| kinds of phones (just not in the USA). It'll be pretty easy to
| import them from a developing market, on eBay or elsewhere.
| E.g. see https://www.amazon.in/s?k=nokia
| jdietrich wrote:
| HMD do sell a few Nokia-branded phones in the US; most of
| their international range is available on Amazon US.
|
| https://www.hmd.com/en_us/nokia-225-4g?sku=16QENL11A04
| dagoss wrote:
| I've had four HMD phones, two feature and two Android smart
| phones. The hardware usually feels really good, but all of
| them have had poor phone quality (even on different
| carriers). People would tell me if sound like I was
| underwater or far away from the phone while not using
| speaker), sometimes it would just drop the audio and I
| couldn't hear the other person, etc.
|
| I guess I still have nostalgia for some of the late Nokia
| phones, like the n900 and e72.
|
| My current Android HMD has been fine, but still has call
| issues (people often don't hear me for like 5-8 seconds
| when I call them; speak from just randomly stops working
| during calls).
| rjsw wrote:
| I have had three HMD phones now, all have had very good
| call quality when used in Europe.
| hackertux wrote:
| I think what parent meant is that he would be willing to pay
| good money to anyone who could clone the 5110 to use 4g and
| keep the same screen.
| josephernest wrote:
| These new Nokia models/re-issues are of very poor quality,
| see my other comment.
|
| They are not made by Nokia, but by HMD which has very low
| standards of product quality.
| rob74 wrote:
| > _While the Memes generally refer to the 3210 or the 3310, the
| classic 5110 is no less a condender for most robust general use
| mobile phone available._
|
| The reason for that (I think) is not that the 5110 is less
| robust, but that the 3210 and 3310 were much more widespread -
| they came onto the market when mobile phones really started to
| become widespread, while the 5110 (their predecessor), with its
| stub antenna and bulkier size, looks a bit like the last
| representative of the previous era...
| ljf wrote:
| Totally! When I got my Nokia 5146 (still basically a 5110) -
| you had to pay I think PS50 for the phone, plus the contract of
| PS15 a month.
|
| A month or two later you could get the 3210 for free, plus a
| better contract from orange, that took advantage of the MMS
| options - plus had the programmable ringtones which was soooooo
| much cooler than the 5110.
|
| I was lucky to jump from the 5110 to the 8210, and then to a
| 8250 which I adored and used on an off through to 2007 - when I
| moved to the E61 then e71 - which both still hold a very
| special place in my heart!
| dfox wrote:
| 3210 did not support MMS, but EMS with some semi-proprietary
| extensions. Sending images and ringtones over EMS was
| generally not interoperable between different vendors.
|
| MMS is much later technology where the user data go over
| HTTP, which implies at least WAP support and GPRS to be
| really practical.
| ljf wrote:
| You are totally correct - I was thinking of 'picture
| messages' which this could send. I was only a little
| jealous of the 3210 as i thought it was quite ugly really,
| but the 3310 seemed a heap better, especially with the blue
| led (which is what sold me on the 8250).
| 2Gkashmiri wrote:
| 3230
|
| Was a joy to use the joystick hehe
| haunter wrote:
| Just a wishful plan, nothing happened as it seems (post is 2
| years old)
| grujicd wrote:
| My old Nokia 6310i from 2003 was in use until a year or two ago
| with my mother in law. And with the original battery lasting for
| days! Then finally on/off button broke. While nowadays phones not
| only have a glass in the front, which is understandable, but in
| the back too. So fragile. What would grandpa Nokia say to his
| ancestors?
| lifestyleguru wrote:
| I had this phone, sometimes from boredom I was tossing and
| catching it and it occasionally fell on the ground. Try doing
| this with these miserable fragile iPhones and Galaxies.
| Unfortunately one day it cracked while falling and I regret so
| much throwing it, the 6310i would have been working until
| today.
| IndrekR wrote:
| 5110 was fantastic. I did not realize this before, but about 10
| years ago needed a replacement phone quickly and had an old 5110
| in storage. Charged up, powered up, switched on and in less than
| 10 seconds could make a call. Fantastic booting speed, very fast
| phone.
|
| Found a video where the boot-up speed/usage are shown:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40KwKvCGZo
| klauswunderlich wrote:
| Nokia 5110 but with Android and full QUERTY keyboard:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7VOflsuVS4
| apetresc wrote:
| I'm not too well-versed in hardware - is it really that easy to
| swap out a 2G modem with a 4G modem and have it "just work"
| without touching the drivers? Even if the baseband/modem chips
| miraculously do conform perfectly to some I/O protocol at the
| hardware level despite being multiple generations apart, wouldn't
| the difference in timings break whatever firmware the Nokia 5110
| has, which was expecting only a single very specific hardware
| configuration? Or is the author planning to also hack the
| drivers?
| grishka wrote:
| These phones didn't have the modern smartphone architecture
| where there are separate CPU cores for the user OS and the
| modem. It's one single CPU core that does both the UI and all
| the low-level stuff required for communication with the tower.
| They were going to replace the board that contains that CPU and
| all the radio circuitry with one they were going to design from
| scratch around that 4G module.
| Double_a_92 wrote:
| I think the idea here is to basically create a new phone, but
| use the original case, buttons and display.
| hackertux wrote:
| I just wish I could buy a phone that has the same look and
| feel (sound, screen, etc.) as the 5110, is compatible with
| modern networks, and has a modern battery.
| guerrilla wrote:
| No, of course not. That's why this article is two years old
| without an update.
| numpad0 wrote:
| No, it's like reusing keyboard and monitor for a new PC. This
| phone uses those parts fully separated from the computer part
| that the author argues it should be possible to remake just the
| host computer part to recreate the experience.
|
| 4G doesn't even have a proper voice call support, and
| substitutes that with a carrier grade Discord type thing called
| VoLTE(oversimplification). Zero chance old firmware could work.
| wolrah wrote:
| > 4G doesn't even have a proper voice call support, and
| substitutes that with a carrier grade Discord type thing
| called VoLTE(oversimplification).
|
| That "carrier grade Discord type thing" is more or less
| standard SIP VoIP, just over a prioritized data channel
| similar to how DOCSIS has PacketCable which is more or less
| MGCP VoIP over a prioritized data channel.
|
| It's absolutely proper voice call support, the majority of
| calls you make or receive in 2024 have been connected over
| SIP at some point along the path.
|
| > Zero chance old firmware could work.
|
| The sorts of modules like the author was proposing using can
| be interacted with over relatively standard AT commands, so
| it's actually plausible that if there were a separate
| application processor it might be able to perform basic
| functions like placing/receiving calls without any firmware
| changes. The module handles all the VoLTE stuff and just
| exposes it as if it were any other modem.
|
| That said it's not uncommon for "dumbphone" type applications
| to run the application code on the baseband processor, in
| which case obviously it's incredibly unlikely that this new
| module is even a related family of processor, much less
| compatible with existing code.
| upofadown wrote:
| >That "carrier grade Discord type thing" is more or less
| standard SIP VoIP, just over a prioritized data channel...
|
| It is completely restricted to one SIP provider. Which
| raises an interesting idea for improved competition. Make
| it possible for the user to choose their SIP provider.
| Force the phone companies to allow the use of that priority
| to any SIP RTP stream and otherwise make those companies
| just sell data service.
|
| That would make a project like the one in the linked
| article come down to getting a magic module that provided
| an internet connection...
| amyames wrote:
| No. This phones keypad , controller, and screen are on a
| separate board.
|
| This would be like plugging your monitor and keyboard into a
| new computer.
|
| There are some lorawan handheld communicatiors using surplus
| blackberry cases and keyboards from blackberries that never
| were, that they got for pennies.
|
| Except this dude wants to drop in a roll-your-own cellphone
| board with a basic os, instead of a lorawan radio and basic os.
| Same idea. But he will have to design this.
|
| Whereas You can get schematics to build a lorawan communicator
| with blackberry parts, and there are community supported roms
| for that
| unosama wrote:
| Your reply is less insightful than the original commenter.
| toast0 wrote:
| As a sibling says, this likely won't work for a Nokia feature
| phone, because it's an integrated design and there's no
| separate modem.
|
| For a design with a modem module and a ux module, it might
| possibly just work to swap things out, but it would depend on
| how VoLTE is supported. If that is all managed by the modem
| module, then you're probably good.
|
| These modem modules are generally a serial port that speaks
| Hayes (AT) protocol. Plus some analog lines for mic and
| speaker. Some 4g modules might be serial over USB and may leave
| VoLTE entirely up to the application module, that's going go
| look different.
|
| Some of the modules are a qualcom SoC that runs headless
| Android. Which works, I guess, but seems bizarre.
| fuzztester wrote:
| around the same time that the original 5110 was getting popular,
| I bought my first mobile phone, a used Motorola Amio.
|
| It was quite big, with big buttons, and looked somewhat like a
| walkie talkie. I liked it and used it for about a year, before I
| got another make of phone.
|
| I searched and found some images that look something like it:
|
| https://www.google.com/search?q=motorola+amio+phone
| ljf wrote:
| I remember that Motorola, I was opening a student bank account
| and they offered a free 3 year student railcard (to buy
| discount tickets), a camera or that motorola - I was just about
| to get it when the lack of Snake and also the pretty poor
| contract it came on made me jump for the Railcard.
|
| But still felt wild at the time that they were 'giving away' a
| mobile phone.
| grishka wrote:
| It's such an odd problem from my perspective as someone who
| _doesn 't_ live in a western country! We still have 2G on all
| carriers and seemingly no plans to shut it down. So, if you want
| to use an old (GSM) phone, it's a non-issue, you just pop your
| modern SIM card into it and it just works :)
| shitloadofbooks wrote:
| My country (Australia) in the past month shut down 3G and 2G
| was shut down in 2017.
|
| The 3G shutdown was ...problematic:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJavqEzEIw
| Roark66 wrote:
| In my country (Poland) a bunch of networks recently switched
| off 3G and a lot of 4G services in favour of LTE only... A
| pretty good mobile service I enjoyed at my country home for
| over a decade had suddenly turned to crap... (at least I have
| faster Internet access now, but I can't strap a directional
| antenna to a mobile phone).
| voytec wrote:
| > bunch of networks recently switched off 3G and a lot of 4G
| services in favour of LTE only
|
| You mean 2G and 3G in favor of 3.95G LTE, AKA 4G.
| Aeglaecia wrote:
| this was on the back burner for so long , very glad to see
| someone get it done. the amount of e waste caused by dropping 2g
| and 3g is insane.
| josephernest wrote:
| Pro tip: don't buy the new versions "Nokia 3210 2024" and similar
| models. I did, two times, with slightly different models, and
| they are of exceptionally poor quality: dead after one year, very
| buggy firmware. The customer support is an AI with no real
| answer. They recommended to install an app "from the Google Play
| app store" which is nonsense for a dumbphone.
|
| They are very cheap noname phones, branded with the name Nokia,
| but I am sure no Nokia R&D team was involved in these products.
| jcul wrote:
| Yeah I bought a Nokia 2660.
|
| After probably a month or so the hinge brackets broke from
| normal use.
|
| Nokia refused to refund / repair it saying that only a drop
| could have caused it.
|
| I replaced it with an AGM M8 which is a great dumbphone.
| ninjin wrote:
| Thank you both for the warnings. I have been looking for a
| "dumb" phone and arrived at the Nokia and now I am eyeing up
| the AGM M8 FLIP Security+ [1] instead.
|
| [1]: https://www.agmmobile.com/products/agm-m8-security
| 0_____0 wrote:
| I'm noticing that the pricing is completely different on my
| desktop and mobile - I'm seeing the M8 Flip Security+ for
| $79 on mobile and $116 after sale cuts on desktop. I don't
| _think_ it 's a currency issue, I think it's a "my VPNs are
| set to exit IPs in different countries" thing. High in CA
| (with currency set to Global US$), low with Swedish IP.
| ninjin wrote:
| Try AliExpress, the prices there look unbeatable and are
| from AGM official stores at that.
| stuaxo wrote:
| Interesting, it has the same stylings as the old Samsung
| flip phones - which were horrdendous to develop for on J2Me
| because of various bugs and the tools not giving you any
| good ways to get debug data from them.
| jtbayly wrote:
| Can you use the M8 on carriers other than T-Mobile? I'm
| seeing several places that say T-mobile only.
| ajford wrote:
| Haven't used the M8, but I just set up an AGM M9 on Mint
| Mobile two days ago.
|
| That said, that's kinda cheating since Mint is a T-Mobile
| MVNO and I haven't tried it outside my usual T-Mobile
| service area.
| close04 wrote:
| > They are very cheap noname phones, branded with the name
| Nokia
|
| I thought only HMD [0] had the right to put the Nokia brand on
| a phone, and had several former Nokia executives in their
| leadership able to validate whether a device is "worthy" of
| that brand. Which made sense since Nokia as a company and brand
| still exist albeit in a different field, and junk branded with
| this name can tarnish the image.
|
| Edit. I see HMD may transition away from the Nokia brand. [1]
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMD_Global#:~:text=The%20comp
| a....
|
| [1]
| https://www.gsmarena.com/hmd_is_dropping_its_nokia_branding_...
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| Corporate quality standards only work if a company is MBA-
| proof. Something no western company can withstand. Sooner or
| later, a financial genius will point out the margins that can
| be made on white label products and it snowballs.
| wholinator2 wrote:
| I'm curious what would need to change to fix this? Because
| enshittification has become so ubiquitous and terrible that
| it's in the dictionary now. Is it regulation? Antitrust?
| Obliterate every board and private equity firm? There must
| be an actionable set of steps out of this because we had to
| have stepped into it somehow
| secondcoming wrote:
| I bought an XR20 a few years ago and it's still running fine,
| and still receiving OS updates.
| numpad0 wrote:
| They clearly don't have the old code base, workforce to
| hypothetically adapt it to VoLTE, or factories to manufacture
| the phones. New Nokia TA-xxxx phones use
| MediaTek/Unisoc(Spreadtrum) SoC and MediaTek MAUI software
| rebranded as "S30+". Which means those are reskinned Chinese
| phones.
|
| Old Nokia had RM-xxx or RX-xxx model numbers, so it's also
| clear that some of their corpo structure did survive.
| Piraty wrote:
| i can confirm. I have bought and used both Nokia 2660 Flip and
| Nokia 8210 4G , both are HMD rebrands. Firmware is very buggy
| and battery failed after less than 2y .
| Paianni wrote:
| I have a 235 4G and I'd say the firmware is 'quirky' but not
| particularly buggy in the five months I've had it.
| neilv wrote:
| I tried a Nokia-in-name-only modern dumbphone (a compact one
| without the retro styling), and it did what I needed, which was
| mainly SMS 2FA.
|
| Until a manager for a tempting job wanted to do the first call
| on the phone. The call quality was so bad, it bombed the
| interview for me. So I kissed my privacy goodbye, and bought an
| iPhone.
|
| (I've since switched to a GrapheneOS phone, which works well,
| with less violating.)
| wholinator2 wrote:
| What about a dumb phone ensure that call quality is terrible?
| Could you not have found a better dumbphone if you really
| wanted to stay with it?
| neilv wrote:
| I spent some time looking. There were some pricey
| "designer" ones, but they generally got poor reviews. Maybe
| it's easier to do a design-school exercise, than to get the
| phone guts engineering right. Also, mandatory VoLTE
| eliminated a lot of high-quality legacy devices that
| would've worked fine.
| m4tthumphrey wrote:
| The 5110 was also my first phone and still probably my favourite
| ever. I racked up a PS300 bill on month 1 and had to essentially
| do my paper round for free to pay it off. Good times!
| yapyap wrote:
| lol so he made this part 1 Nov 28 2022 and then disappeared
| michalhosna wrote:
| > The Nokia 5110 is a 2G telephone, meaning it uses the original
| 2G mobile network to communicate. This network has long been
| decommissioned in most western countries, including Australia.
|
| In Europe, 3G is shutting down, but 2G as a fallback seems to be
| staying for years to come.
|
| > However, 2G networks were still available as of 2023 in most
| parts of the world, while notably excluding the majority of
| carriers in North America, East Asia, and Australasia.
|
| See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G
|
| AFAIK, in the US, T-Mobile still has a 2G network.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| It is being deprecated now. Comparison map:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/dumbphones/comments/1eppo3p/tmobile...
|
| https://imgur.com/a/Zg6XYch
|
| https://www.t-mobile.com/support/coverage/t-mobile-network-e...
|
| >Capacity and coverage of T-Mobile's 2G (GSM) network is
| expected to change starting as early as September 1, 2024.
| cardanome wrote:
| 2G is still strong in Germany as some industrial applications
| rely on it. It is not going to be deprecated any time soon.
| Maybe once they run out of spare parts.
|
| Germany's mobile network is worse than most third world
| countries. Working on a train? No internet for you! Going a few
| meters outside a settlement? Might not even be able to do
| calls.
| morsch wrote:
| Such an exaggeration. >92% of the area is served with 5G.
| Calls are available in 98%-99% of the area (though sometimes
| just from one of the operators). Some trains were built in a
| way that blocks reception, though those have had repeaters or
| wifi for a while. I know plenty of people who work from the
| train every day.
|
| Sources:
|
| https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilung.
| ..
|
| https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilung.
| ..
|
| https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrain-Repeater
|
| https://www.heise.de/en/news/Mobile-communications-for-
| rail-...
| superkuh wrote:
| Correct. I still use my Nokia 6030 2G phone with T-Mobile in
| Minnesota/Wisconsin. And it's battery still lasts a week and I
| can't even feel it in my pocket it's so small. Impossible to
| destroy too; I've used _roughly_ it since ~2008.
| memsom wrote:
| I am forever horrified when my 5G phone, which at my house
| already only gets 4G at best (the politics of cell towers in
| Southern England is just a sad sad story) drops now to 2G!!!
| Dropping a modern smartphone to 2G is like basically saying "no
| network". The only things I use it for are unusable. I rarely
| make calls. I rarely send SMS. Vodafone dropped 3G, O2 will
| drop it early next year and the others some time soonish too.
| Using a smart phone in a rural area now kind of feels like
| going back to 2007 if I am going to be honest.
| joecool1029 wrote:
| > AFAIK, in the US, T-Mobile still has a 2G network.
|
| They do but most won't be able to use a phone this old on it.
| Reason being the SIM application was taken out of the issued
| sim cards years ago for T-Mobile (something like 6 years or so
| at this point). Newer 3G-era cellphones use the USIM
| application and can fall back to the 2G network.
|
| So the only way to still use a device that's pre-3G (circa-2007
| or so) on the 2G network is to have a SIM that's been activated
| the whole time. T-Mobile will not activate expired SIM cards
| that still contain the application.
|
| Source: I have used back to the Sony Ericsson t68i this past
| summer on T-Mobile. If you have an ancient SIM and want to
| browse WAP 1.x as well you can use this site for the gateway:
| https://nbpfan.bs0dd.net/index.php?lang=eng&page=wap%2Fmain
|
| EDIT: Funny thing about 3G-era phone support, you can use a
| euicc (removable ESIM) on a phone from 2007 (I used Sony
| Ericsson K850i) and it will work just fine with an activated
| esim to access 2G.
| shahzaibmushtaq wrote:
| HMD (Human Mobile Devices)[0] has exclusive rights to produce
| phones under the Nokia brand.
|
| Now, HMD has decided to drop the Nokia name from the new phones
| because it's not helping them. Nokia has lost its glory, and HMD
| took the right step to use its name.
|
| People who have old Nokia phones should keep them as it is like a
| lost meaningful art.
|
| [0] https://www.hmd.com
| palata wrote:
| What I learned with this article is the English idiom:
|
| "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched."
|
| Which in my language translates to:
|
| "You should not sell the bear's skin before killing it."
|
| Not that it appears in the article, but rather because the author
| wrote the blog post before doing the thing. Which results in a
| blog post essentially saying "here is the cool thing I plan to
| do", which was apparently never done.
|
| Anyway, I'm happy to know about counting chickens now :-).
| grishka wrote:
| Which language is it? In mine it's almost the same, "don't
| divide the skin of a non-killed bear".
| anonu wrote:
| I am going to guess Russian.
| juanramos wrote:
| Spanish I'd say
| habaryu wrote:
| It's in French. Not sure if it's exclusive to French but it's
| commonly used.
| jhncls wrote:
| In French, the bear is killed. In Spanish, he is chased. In
| Dutch, he is shot. The Spanish look adventurous, and the
| French straight-forward.
| 0_____0 wrote:
| It's possible the author didn't expect to have a few thousand
| Hacker Nerds looking at their blog post already, with all the
| critique and pressure that entails.
| shreddit wrote:
| Already? This blog post is from 2 years ago...
| 0_____0 wrote:
| Fair enough. My point still stands that they may have been
| blogging this for themselves or a relatively small number
| of readers.
|
| I'm reticent to criticize anyone for putting their
| unfinished or aspirational work up on the internet, it
| reminds me of a 'net where people hosted their own blogs
| for mostly noone. Writing destined for a small or non-
| existent audience feels precious when everything is made to
| game the attention system.
| palata wrote:
| Well I did not mean it to be offensive, and I hope that
| the author would not take it this way.
|
| I genuinely thought about this expression when I realised
| what happened with this project, and looked up the
| English translation. I shared it because I found it fun
| and interesting, that's all.
| p0w3n3d wrote:
| We have the same in Polish as well
| notRobot wrote:
| The blog post is from 2022 and the sequel never arrived. So the
| idiom wins this one.
| zoomablemind wrote:
| It's more gruesome about the chicken. These are also said to be
| counted in fall. It's not just about hatching (in summer), but
| rather about surviving till fall...
|
| The original Nokia 5110 obviously lived long, probably still is
| there in author's drawer in some disassembled state.
| dclowd9901 wrote:
| I was excited to learn the new word "eniminable", but I think you
| meant "inimitable", OP.
| zoomablemind wrote:
| Should be marked as [2022].
|
| Indeed, the announced Part 2 has not been linked so far...
| sourcepluck wrote:
| Are there any not outrageously expensive, tough, battery-goes-
| for-weeks, does calls and SMS and wifi hotspot and maybe even
| F-Droid but a small screen, and maybe has at least LTE so that it
| is safe to be used for years, type devices?
|
| I've looked once or twice, and found two categories: one was
| expensive phones leaning in to the "super slick minimalist"
| thing, which looked like they could be good devices and cover
| what I'm looking for, but again, 300 dollars or more type range.
|
| The other was remakes of the "old classics", which were cheap,
| and claimed to cover roughly what I was hoping for, but are
| actually horrible quality, as another commenter said.
|
| Maybe there's no solution, and those expensive ones are the only
| good option. Exceptions, or surprises, please throw them at me!
| asdem1 wrote:
| It won't go for weeks, but days, and it takes some sideloading
| and finagling to get certain apk's to work, but I use a Sonim
| XP3+.
|
| Runs Android Go, big battery that lasts a while, I can use
| Signal Messenger on it (though not super well), and it's tank-
| like in its construction. If you want to take that up a notch
| in terms of build quality, Kyocera sells a similar phone, the
| Dura XV Extreme+, which is roughly $250.
|
| r/dumbphones is a decent resource. Unsuprisingly, it's not a
| large community, but it's a good place to get people's
| anecdotes about specific models.
| Syonyk wrote:
| Yeah, look at the Sonim XP3+/XP5+ (depending if you want a flip
| phone or candybar).
|
| Rugged, Android-Go powered "Call/SMS/MMS" devices, week and a
| half on battery if you leave it on constantly, hotspot, and you
| _can_ , if you insist, sideload apps. Just, don't expect any
| modern Android app to be usable on a 240x320 screen with
| keyboard input only. If you use a Bluetooth mouse, it's
| marginally less-awful, but still, don't expect much to work.
|
| I did get KDE Connect working - that allows you to send text
| messages with a real computer keyboard. It's not as nicely
| integrated as the Apple iMessage ecosystem, but it does allow
| for sending texts without having to T9 the whole thing.
| Alternately, the better option is to just move longer
| conversations to email or an actual phone call.
|
| One of these shouldn't run you much over about $150 (in the
| US), and they work fine on the super cheap MVNO operators out
| there.
|
| My writeup from about a year ago:
| https://www.sevarg.net/2023/12/30/more-flip-phone-sonim-xp3-...
| sourcepluck wrote:
| Ohhh snap, I'm glad I asked, I had not seen that one during
| my browsing. It looks like it really does hit all the points,
| wow. Investigating it right now! Cheers!
|
| Update: not available outside US, or you can get it shipped
| but it's locked to US carriers (which seems nonsensical...)
|
| Anyway. I'm back looking at the Cat B35, and I think that
| does the job. Thanks again!
| Syonyk wrote:
| There are some carrier unlocked versions available. Or at
| least used to be. They seem pretty universal - I'm running
| a T-Mobile one on an AT&T MVNO right now, and it wasn't too
| big a hassle to set up. Unfortunately, I think these are
| nearing end of production, supplies seem to be limited
| lately.
| sourcepluck wrote:
| I think it's a tad risky, as in, if I've an issue,
| returning it is an extra effort. Plus I'd be paying a
| fair bit extra for postage in the first place.
|
| I think the best bet for me over here (Ireland) is to
| research the CAT phone that is dumb enough and not too
| expensive.
|
| E.g., the CAT B26, for example, looks promising
| https://www.productindetail.com/pm/cat-b26
| upofadown wrote:
| I think that you would still end up with the inferior battery
| life of 4G. That was the killer feature of those phones. Our
| technology seems to have degraded in that regard over the years.
| aziaziazi wrote:
| 4G drain faster our batteries but we also now download multiple
| orders of magnitude more data than we used to with the 5110 (I
| count voice call as "data"). Videos and advertisements being
| the usual suspects...
|
| Battery would probably last a lot more if I only play snakes
| and use the phone app.
| insane_dreamer wrote:
| Bring back the 9210!
| NoboruWataya wrote:
| Given the lack of a Part 2, I'm guessing some of the optimism in
| the article about how easy it would be was misplaced. I know very
| little about this stuff but presumably he would need to write
| some code for the SIM7600SA that would allow it to interface
| seamlessly with the UI board, which sounds far from trivial
| (unless maybe the UI board is very well documented)?
| amoorthy wrote:
| Sorry for tangent but any recommendations for small smart phone
| (i.e. <6" screen)?
|
| I like my iPhone 12 mini with its 5" screen (though it is
| glitchier than one would hope) but now all phones seem to be 6"+
| which is hard to fit into a pocket or even manipulate with one
| hand.
|
| I know the Samsung ZFlip 6 and Motorola Razr+ are small, though
| rather pricey at $800-1000. Any opinions from folks on
| reliability/usability etc of these?
|
| I am embarrassed to say I have some Apple lock-in with earbuds
| and even basic conveniences like "find-my" working for my
| children's watches so not sure if these are worth staying with
| Apple for, even if I dislike their latest devices.
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