[HN Gopher] Fractional Jobs - Job Board for Fractional Work
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Fractional Jobs - Job Board for Fractional Work
Author : bilsbie
Score : 96 points
Date : 2024-12-15 19:44 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.fractionaljobs.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.fractionaljobs.io)
| xnx wrote:
| Only 17 jobs listed. How does this work? indeed.com filter for
| part-time and remote shows 20K+ jobs.
| adrianhon wrote:
| If you fractionate them, that's 1700 jobs
| designerbenny wrote:
| If I may paraphrase "300" with some stylistic embellishments:
|
| - [Fractional], only 17 jobs listed. We thought your commitment
| would at least match our own. Indeed has 20k+ jobs.
|
| - Indeed opportunity 1, what is your status?
|
| - Unresponsive company.
|
| - And opportunity 2?
|
| - Fake role.
|
| - And you, opportunity 3?
|
| - Underpaying role
|
| - Fractional roles, what is your status?
|
| - Aoo, Aoo, Aoo.
|
| - See, Indeed. We did bring more actual roles to the table.
|
| (Allegedly, but 17 real roles is better than 20k fake or
| unresponsive ones).
| cryptozeus wrote:
| This is a great start, clearly world is moving towards this.
| rqtwteye wrote:
| Seems "part time" would be a better name?
| beezle wrote:
| fractional : pre-owned
| jtwaleson wrote:
| Fractionals are typically senior++ that work part-time for a
| company. "Part time" can be any seniority level so it gives
| less information.
| zerr wrote:
| Is it really the case though? i.e. aren't there fractional
| interns or juniors?
| jtwaleson wrote:
| I've never seen one marketing themselves as that or a part-
| time position advertised as fractional. In my 2 year
| experience as a fractional CTO it's only "Head of" and
| C-level. Happy to stand corrected.
| neilv wrote:
| I skimmed their "12 minute read" about how it works, and didn't
| see this information:
|
| * How does Fractional Jobs (the company) get paid? (For example,
| do they only get paid to list an ad?)
|
| * Is Fractional Jobs involved at all, after initial contact
| between contractor and client is made? (For example, do FJ charge
| either parties a finder's fee or contract fee, or take an ongoing
| cut, or place restrictions on the relationship?)
| hipadev23 wrote:
| Like any job site, it costs to list postings. And once they
| amass a newsletter audience that's something they can sell ads
| into.
| tbird24 wrote:
| [I'm the founder of https://fractionaljobs.io] We get paid in
| two ways, 1) companies pay us a flat "referral fee" if they
| hire a candidate we send them, 2) through sponsorships of our
| newsletter.
|
| We are not involved at all after the contract is signed. We
| believe in independent fractional hiring vs. a middleman.
| Therefore, we don't take any % from the fractional or the
| company, aside from the referral fee mentioned above. No
| restrictions on relationship, do as y'all please.
|
| I used to do fractional work myself, and I designed this
| structure with myself in mind, if that makes sense.
| cj wrote:
| I have extensive experience hiring fractional talent at our
| company over the past 2 years (CMO, CFO, CTO). I'm currently
| spending $250k/yr on fractionals.
|
| To avoid disappointment 2-3 months into the engagement, my #1
| recommendation is to have a very specific and well written
| statement of work that you mutually agree on so that it's
| perfectly clear what your expectations of them are.
|
| When our fractionals didn't work out, it was _always_ because we
| had expectations that the fractional wasn't able to live up to.
| And in hindsight, simply spelling out the work in a SOW would
| have avoided the misalignment.
|
| In general, there are a lot of fractionals who don't like to roll
| their sleeves up to do real work. IME most fractionals could
| simply be described as "paid advisors". For our company, when
| we've had fractionals not work out it was always because the
| fractional simply didn't want to do anything other than join
| meetings and advise.
|
| Again, all solvable by simply having a clear SOW and making sure
| mutual expectations are clearly communicated.
|
| It's extremely tempting to just engage a fractional because it's
| easy and quick, especially when you're desperate to get someone
| in the door. Don't make that mistake and take your time.
| dave2299 wrote:
| Thanks for sharing. Any thoughts on hiring a fractional CTO?
| I'm a barely-technical founder, working w/ no code/low code
| tools like Airtable, Copilot for my product and services but
| want to outsource work and move towards more technical product
| but have been striking out trying to hire more technical people
| than I am directly and don't want a cofounder. Where to find a
| fractional CTO, how to go about it, etc. thanks
| yehudabrick wrote:
| I'm curious why you've been striking out? What seems to be
| the issue with the people you're trying to hire. I'm looking
| to get into being a fractional CTO and would love to talk
| with you if you're interested. You can reach me at the email
| in my profile.
| ajb wrote:
| So I'm curious- I can understand why you'd want a fractional
| CFO or CMO, but what does a fractional CTO even do? In my mind
| a CTO is either someone who manages multiple teams,or someone
| who manages a team that does 'de novo' deeply technical work.
| It's difficult for me to see how either of those would work
| part time, or really that that their skill set would be
| applicable to a company that can only afford part of their
| time. In a small team,why would you hire a fractional CTO as
| opposed to just making sure your most senior engineer is able
| to mentor the juniors?
| pickle-wizard wrote:
| This is a great start. I've been looking for part time work, so I
| signed up.
| hobofan wrote:
| I think the crux is here (from their explanation post):
|
| > extract the most valuable 10 hours/week ...
|
| > ... don't pay payroll taxes, don't pay bonuses, and don't need
| to offer benefits
|
| How they define a "fractional" is almost 1:1 the definition of
| false self-employment, which is illegal in many parts of Europe,
| as it fulfils all criteria of normal employment without any of
| the security for the employee and circumvention of paying for
| social safety.
| philip1209 wrote:
| Europe isn't known for being progressive.
| fastasucan wrote:
| Not if you define progressive as allowing exploitation of
| people. But if you follow the normal definitions of the word
| it is.
| ponector wrote:
| And don't forget to put 25% progressive tip to everything!
|
| I've recently heard some people are paying tips to the
| collectors company who while paying minimum monthly payment
| to the debt. How progressive!
| jtwaleson wrote:
| I'm a Fractional CTO in NL. We're quite a bit more expensive
| than regular employees or even freelancers (per hour), so I
| think they mention the lack of payroll taxes, bonuses etc to
| persuade companies that it's less expensive than it appears.
|
| We're still paying taxes, the only difference is that the
| client isn't paying for it, and maybe there is a bit of a
| discount for starters.
|
| As a fractional/freelancer, I enjoy the freedom and mutual
| expectation that I'm in this for the money and for the short
| term. (In my case it gives me the resources to bootstrap my own
| product company).
|
| In NL the regulations for false self-employment (enforcement
| kicks in January 1st) is primarily aimed at low-wage jobs like
| meal delivery etc. High paid professionals with multiple
| clients per week (like most fractionals are) are not the
| target.
| MichaelZuo wrote:
| > We're still paying taxes, the only difference is that the
| client isn't paying for it, and maybe there is a bit of a
| discount for starters.
|
| How can the client not be paying for it somehow?
| jtwaleson wrote:
| They pay a higher hourly wage. As an entrepreneur you
| typically you see "monthly salary of employee is X" and
| translate that to "actual cost is X*1.4". With fractionals
| you don't have to do that. The hourly wage is simply what
| you pay.
| MichaelZuo wrote:
| Bundling things together still means they are paying for
| it with one degree of separation...?
| jtwaleson wrote:
| Yes they are, but I think the blog post is meant to
| educate the companies that they don't have to mentally
| multiply the price again. What you see is what you pay.
| hobofan wrote:
| > High paid professionals with multiple clients per week
| (like most fractionals are) are not the target.
|
| Yes, that's also what used to be the common knowledge in
| Germany. However (according to my tax advisor), the tax
| office here has gotten increasingly agressive and are now
| also targeting high paying jobs like physicians and software
| engineers more and more.
|
| > We're still paying taxes, the only difference is that the
| client isn't paying for it
|
| Yes, that's also how you in Germany would optimally protect
| yourself against fallout from false self-employment (=
| backpay of evaded social security payment), but even in that
| case your customers can be fined for engaging in false self-
| employment, which will likely kill that customer
| relationship. One practice against that I've seen is to have
| a clause in the contract where you as the freelancer
| guarantee that you also spend X time with other clients,
| which should give the customer a shield of plausible
| deniability, but I haven't heard any experience reports
| whether that holds up in an audit. The most bullet-proof
| method seems to be to have at least one employee that you pay
| minimum social security for (e.g. working student or family
| member), but that's not trivially cheap.
| jtwaleson wrote:
| In NL, UK and probably Germany there is a plague of
| "freelance" developers and indeed also physicians that work
| full-time for the same companies for multiple years. In my
| opinion, it's fine to raise taxes on those kinds of
| freelancer/employer relations to the same level as salaried
| employees.
|
| I see my own services as very different. You call me when
| you need short-term & part-time help to solve a problem or
| bootstrap something within your own company. Doing that in
| a long-term salaried position would not make sense.
|
| Curious to see what will happen over the next years!
| alberth wrote:
| Isn't this just a 1099 contractor.
| welder wrote:
| I'm building something similar, but to find remote contact jobs
| instead of fractional work:
|
| https://wonderful.dev
| seabass-labrax wrote:
| The issue with displaying statistics to potential employers is
| that they can easily be gamed or even falsified. If your site
| really takes off, you'll have to be careful that it is not
| inundated with 'developers' whose contributions include
| renaming str_name to name_str in a thousand repositories.
|
| Cf. https://blog.domenic.me/hacktoberfest/ and
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24643894
| TZubiri wrote:
| What's the difference between engineering and product?
| tbird24 wrote:
| So cool! Founder of https://fractionaljobs.io here, bilsbie
| thanks for posting this.
|
| If anyone has questions about Fractional Jobs, fractional work,
| etc. lmk and I'll do my best to answer all of them.
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