[HN Gopher] AI pioneer Fei-Fei Li has a vision for computer vision
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AI pioneer Fei-Fei Li has a vision for computer vision
Author : samizdis
Score : 63 points
Date : 2024-12-12 20:46 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| yawnxyz wrote:
| > Li: My lame example is if I have a flat tire on the highway,
| what do I do? Right now, I open a "how to change a tire" video.
| But if I could put on glasses and see what's going on with my car
| and then be guided through that process, that would be cool. But
| that's a lame example. You can think about cooking, you can think
| about sculpting--fun things.
|
| Kind of wild that the new Google AI demo app basically already
| does this. It's hard to even imagine what's possible... we need
| more future-dreaming sci-fi.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Bye Bye fun.
|
| They should really make it mandatory to know and demonstrate
| you know how to change a wheel, check the oil dip-stick and all
| basic car maintenance. That was the best part of owning the
| car, knowing you were taking care of the car.
|
| A part of cooking is experimenting. If we are now needing VR
| goggles because you can't follow a recipe something has gone
| terribly wrong.
|
| I'd wager that these devices will take away skill rather than
| gain. I know I'm not the VR generation, and very skeptically
| annoyed for that all this is coming from Google, Microsoft and
| co. Some things should be real and practical skills everyone
| should know. The more we rely on such technology the more
| failure that will come from it.
| russdill wrote:
| I mean sure, and the fun part of LEGO is making new
| creations. But before you get to that point, building several
| sets by instruction helps build associations of how to get
| certain results.
|
| For someone new to cooking, the recipe says "slice thinly"
| and they have no idea if they are doing a good job or not.
| They could simply ask an AI if they are doing good and it
| could provide feedback.
| darkwizard42 wrote:
| Perhaps you might consider technology like this to help
| assist folks in learning how to do complete basic car
| maintenance. After all, the first time you changed a tire you
| probably needed some kind of assistance. Similarly knowing
| how to follow a recipe is one thing, but knowing what a soup
| needs to adjust its color or taste is a skill which you can
| help with.
| outlore wrote:
| How are VR goggles different from referencing a textbook,
| Googling a tutorial or watching a YouTube video?
|
| Perhaps it's the more instantaneous nature of it. Maybe you
| are making the point that it is more advantageous to memorize
| common life skills instead of needing a technical crutch. But
| how often do we need to change a tire? And when we do,
| wouldn't it be better to have the fastest reference guide?
| citizenpaul wrote:
| >And the whole part of cooking is experimenting.
|
| Ummm no. Not unless you are already very knowledgeable and
| experienced in cooking.
|
| I cook nearly every meal I eat BTW.
| kjrfghslkdjfl wrote:
| Same, and I hate "experimenting" cooking. I memorize simple
| recipes and do them a lot.
|
| I don't wanna experiment cooking, I want to have eaten.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| I cook every meal I eat too. Tonight is Egg,Feta,Red
| Pepper, pie with a rosemary base.
|
| > Not unless you are already very knowledgeable and
| experienced in cooking.
|
| I disagree. The only knowledge is knowing what ingredient
| to add what to effect the flavor. Sweetness, sourness,
| punch, hotness.
|
| Which yes, AI could provide you with, however any search
| engine can or even a decent cooking book. It's not new.
|
| Maybe AI is the new cooking book, but you sure not going to
| get a decent flavor compared from a well written recipe
| from a book.
| Facemelters wrote:
| yeah most people just want to make food that is healthy and
| tastes good. Perfectly happy to follow a recipe like a LEGO
| kit.
| kelseyfrog wrote:
| If we are now needing VR goggles because we can't make irl
| friends, something has gone terribly wrong.
| ugh123 wrote:
| > That was the best part of owning the car
|
| > And the whole part of cooking is experimenting.
|
| Both seem out of touch
| Facemelters wrote:
| yeah the best part of cooking is eating
| doublerabbit wrote:
| You took pride in your car. If it was your car, you saved
| up for and not one your parents bought you you had a
| connection. You knew you were looking after it. I've never
| had fancy cars, they were almost in the state of rust
| buckets. People used to knock their doors in to it because
| "it's old, I mustn't care".
|
| No, I saved money to buy that car. It's a feeling you just
| can't experience without looking after the car practically.
| The feeling of changing the oil and hearing the different
| it made.
|
| The principle of saving and owning things too is gone.
| Philpax wrote:
| This is your experience, but I'm not sure you can
| generalise it to most people's experience. I like cars -
| admire them, even - but my car was first and foremost a
| tool, and my relationship with it was as such. I did the
| work required to keep it running, but I didn't want to
| spend more time than that on it. Ditto my 3D printer.
|
| There are a lot of things that I'm willing to give the
| personal touch to, but there are many things where I just
| don't care and just want it to work, and you can't know
| ahead of time what that is for everyone.
|
| Given that, I'm more than comfortable with giving
| everyone the tools to Not Give A Shit:tm: for any given
| subject - if they want to experiment, they will, but that
| burden shouldn't be pushed onto everyone for every
| subject. After all, time spent on things you don't care
| about is time you can't use on the things you _do_ care
| about.
| 01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote:
| No accounting for taste.
|
| My favorite part of owning a car is when the automatic
| transmission shifts for me, and when the ABS pumps the brakes
| for me.
| gdhkgdhkvff wrote:
| The arguments that you're making can be made for literally
| any useful piece of technology ever.
|
| Eye glasses? They'll make you too reliant on sight!
|
| Computer? The best part about writing is maintaining your
| typewriter!
|
| If you need a car because you can't ride a horse something
| has gone terribly wrong.
|
| "I know I'm not the VR generation". Sounds good. Then you
| don't need to complain into the either about nothing.
| ishtanbul wrote:
| AI will help us develop technology to explore the universe
| and solve climate change, and access virtually unlimited
| energy. Everyone will have superpowers. Sounds awesome and
| very fun.
| frereubu wrote:
| I find these kinds of responses interesting. It's not like
| you _have_ to use these glasses, so this isn 't really about
| you. It's about what you think other people _should_ do, but
| _should_ s are kinda funny. Why _should_ someone know how to
| change a wheel? Why _should_ people experiment with cooking?
| You 're telling people what they _should_ enjoy, but that 's
| a bit weird isn't it?
| doublerabbit wrote:
| > Why should someone know how to change a wheel?
|
| Because if your car tyre blows out on the motorway causing
| a an accident because you didn't check the pressure. You
| should of known that by not checking your wheel, even just
| kicking it to gauge the pressure.
|
| > Why should people experiment with cooking?
|
| I'm not saying should. If people like simple food, great.
| If people want dead food like McD, fine.
|
| I find the best part of cooking is experimenting. Making
| the same cheese toastie over and over again gets boring.
| The same with pizza.
|
| > You're telling people what they should enjoy
|
| No I'm not. I'm not telling you shouldn't be on HN right
| now. I'm saying there are definitely should's in life you
| should know without needing some sort of technological
| device. Like how to look after your car so you don't cause
| a catastrophe.
|
| Should an airline not look after their aeroplanes? Boeing
| didn't and look what happened.
| exe34 wrote:
| > should of known
|
| You should _have_ looked into grammar and spelling before
| you started posting on the internet.
| Philpax wrote:
| I disagree with the parent poster (as I've replied
| elsewhere) but this is a boring and facile response. Do
| better.
| cameronh90 wrote:
| What does checking the tyre pressure have to do with
| changing a wheel? Most people do know how to check their
| tyre pressure, but have never had to change a wheel. My
| car doesn't even have a spare tyre. If my tyre
| catastrophically fails in a way the emergency puncture
| repair kit can't fix, I'm just calling the recovery
| service. It might set me back a few hours, but I haven't
| even had a puncture in 15 years of driving so I'll take
| the hit.
|
| Moreover, what does it matter if someone knows how to
| check their tyre pressure, provided they know that it
| needs to be checked to keep the car safe, and where to
| take it to get it checked? Most garages here will do
| those sort of basic checks for free.
| Teever wrote:
| These kinds of responses _seem_ interesting but they really
| aren 't.
|
| It's just a modern variant of an old man yelling at
| progress and being a crotchety contrarian for contrarians
| sake.
|
| All too often the basis of these kinds of arguments are a
| just-so fallacy where the person using them is oblivious to
| the fact that generations prior to them would look at their
| skill-set and the skills that they promote as the best as
| worse than the ones they had.
|
| The people making these arguments just want to tell
| everyone that they're better than the kids today and
| everything is going to pot.
| XorNot wrote:
| Weird to contextualize this as "put on glasses".
|
| Like, I have a cellphone with a high resolution camera in my
| pocket - it would be more then enough to be able to have it
| image recognize the parts I should be looking for and highlight
| which bolt I undo next (and ideally, hint and show an arrow if
| I'm looking at the wrong thing).
|
| One of my primary uses of YouTube videos over service manuals
| is just to confirm that when it says "undo the secondary
| philangy bolts" that I'm clear on exactly what that is.
|
| That said, I don't even think that's the key use-case: the key
| use-case would be letting those YouTubers include the image
| tags to the right part of the video, since half the benefit is
| seeing someone who's done it show how they do it, and how they
| move and place the parts (which usually avoids some "buy
| Manufacturer Service Tool 3 and 19 to undo intermediate part
| 81).
| vunderba wrote:
| I've been extolling the educational (and entertainment)
| possibilities of lightweight portable A.R. ever since the first
| prototypes of Google Glass.
|
| - Imagine being able to look down at a breadboard, and have it
| overlay explanations, diagrams, realtime current flows, etc.
|
| - Anyone in the UNIVERSE who has ever had to learn card
| manipulation, juggling from a book or even a video knows how
| annoying it is to have to _mentally reverse_ the picture in
| your head while trying to learn it. Imagine putting a person in
| front of you who is juggling (mills mess, box pattern, etc) and
| slowing it down to exactly see how to learn it.
|
| - Imagine being able to practice drawing by putting a model of
| any human in the center of your room, and walk around it as you
| sketch on actual canvas.
|
| - Imagine being able to head to the nearest open soccer field,
| and throw down a bunch of ninjas throwing ninja stars at you,
| and you have to physically duck and weave while running full
| tilt down the field.
|
| These took me a grand total of 10 minutes to think of. Anyone
| who doesn't understand the potential of AR simply lacks vision.
| (no pun intended)
| makk wrote:
| > Anyone who doesn't understand the potential of AR simply
| lacks vision.
|
| I see your point.
| readyplayernull wrote:
| Expanding on that, what would happen if we had immediate
| access to the knowledge required to perform any job?
|
| I like this prediction by Alvin Toffler:
|
| > People of post-industrial society change their profession
| and their workplace often. People have to change professions
| because professions quickly become outdated. People of post-
| industrial society thus have many careers in a lifetime. The
| knowledge of an engineer becomes outdated in ten years.
| People look more and more for temporary jobs.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Shock
|
| Instead of "losing" jobs by AI (ok, some tasks of those will
| be replaced), there will be re-mixed jobs: dev-designers?
| medic-programmers? more and more specialized branches of
| every permutation.
| hotstickyballs wrote:
| It needs to be much more mainstream (going down in cost and
| being more portable will help) but there's already AR piano
| teaching and what not.
| penjelly wrote:
| are we limited though to waiting for glass though? can't we
| already do these things via a lens like Google lens? I get the
| ergonomics of the glasses is key, but we don't have the
| software to do these things elegantly on a lens yet do we? But
| there's nothing stopping us working on them even without the
| hardware.
| parl_match wrote:
| It really sucks to do this stuff with only one hand. Not to
| mention, the mental load of focusing your phone.
| dang wrote:
| Recent and related:
|
| _A stubborn computer scientist accidentally launched the deep
| learning boom_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42106623 -
| Nov 2024 (39 comments)
|
| _The deep learning boom caught almost everyone by surprise_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42057139 - Nov 2024 (188
| comments)
| kjrfghslkdjfl wrote:
| I think she's obviously right.
|
| The reason that cars make stupid mistakes that a human never
| would, is that cars are trained to classify 2D images (and act
| accordingly). Humans on the other hand have a 3D model of the
| world that understands what is and isn't possible, and are
| trained to map 2D images to that 3D space.
|
| The world is 3D so obviously the latter approach works way
| better.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| I found out about Fei Fei Li when Computer History Museum hosted
| her for an interview on her life's work (1hr 16m)
| https://youtu.be/JgQ1FJ_wow8
| aynyc wrote:
| It seems to me, her example is a way of saying, write better
| documentation/manuals. Better recipes, better car tire change.
| newbie578 wrote:
| I might be rude for this comment, but can anyone explain what did
| Fei-Fei Li accomplish in AI to be considered a pioneer?
|
| I read her autobiography and I still do not understand. The only
| thing she did was create the ImageNet dataset, by paying Amazon
| Mechanical Turk. Am I missing something? I don't understand how
| is she in the same breathe as Cunn, Goodfellow, Hinton, even
| Karpathy?
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