[HN Gopher] Japanese scientists were pioneers of AI; they're bei...
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Japanese scientists were pioneers of AI; they're being written out
of history
Author : YeGoblynQueenne
Score : 63 points
Date : 2024-12-07 16:26 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (theconversation.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (theconversation.com)
| YeGoblynQueenne wrote:
| Also see (9 days ago):
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| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42264069
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| If dang is watching I would like recommend the earlier article
| for the repost queue.
| etiam wrote:
| Glad you managed to get it to wider attention, and thanks for
| the acknowledgement!
| rfoo wrote:
| Anyone here still remember Chainer?
| logicchains wrote:
| Maybe Schmidhuber was onto something with his complaints that the
| modern AI community wasn't giving credit where credit was due?
| LarsDu88 wrote:
| I think a good analogue for this situation is that of the Nobel
| in Physics for the Blue LED.
|
| The first blue LED was built by Herb Maruska and Wally Rhines at
| Stanford in 1972. However it was incredibly dim. It took decades
| of focused and sustained research by Shuji Nakamura and others to
| make a commercially viable blue LED. Hence Nakamura won the Nobel
|
| Same deal with AI/ML.
|
| Although Nakamura was actually doing something PHYSICS related!
| wslh wrote:
| If we go back in time the perceptron was invented in the 40s by
| Warren McCulloch and Walter Pitts. The first hardware
| implementation was Mark I Perceptron machine built in the 50s
| [1].
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| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptron
| reader9274 wrote:
| "We must not forget the role played by pioneer Japanese
| researchers in erecting the foundations of neural network
| research." By awarding the Nobel to Hopfield and Hinton a lot of
| folks were "forgotten" but that's not the right way to look at a
| Nobel. You can't award everyone that ever contributed to such a
| large innovation through the century. It's about recognition and
| not forgetting, even when a narrow selection has to be made. Just
| enjoy the fact that your beautiful field was awarded such a prize
| and recognition it truly deserves.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Fukushima's work was itself inspired on the work of the
| neuroscientists Hubel and Wiesel.
|
| Science is a large network of contributions and collaboration.
| stanfordkid wrote:
| Is back propagation really an idea applicable to the Nobel prize
| in physics? I mean certainly a Turing award is warranted. But
| back propagation or neural networks don't really tell us anything
| about how the universe works. It's an efficient optimization
| algorithm for a really powerful class of models.
| etiam wrote:
| The 2024 Physics Prize is not being awarded for backpropagation
| but "for foundational discoveries and inventions that enable
| machine learning with artificial neural networks".
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| They seem to be focusing on energy function, statistical
| mechanics connection, etc. of Hopfield Nets and Boltzmann
| machines. An auxiliary motivation seems to be the use of ANN:s
| becoming a significant tool for very-big-data physics.
|
| Nobel Foundation descriptions (from discussion at the
| announcement https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41775463 ):
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| https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2024/09/advanced-physicsp...
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| https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2024/summary/
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