[HN Gopher] Gratitude despite the odds
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       Gratitude despite the odds
        
       Author : nsoonhui
       Score  : 90 points
       Date   : 2024-11-30 08:16 UTC (4 days ago)
        
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       | Mistletoe wrote:
       | >Yet until brown clay has been rammed down my larynx,
       | 
       | >only gratitude will be gushing from it.
       | 
       | Bookmarking this one for sure, to return to often.
        
       | djaouen wrote:
       | This is exactly how I feel about my programming work in this
       | credentialist United States. I will keep programming, in spite of
       | the haters -- who will stop me?
        
       | pfortuny wrote:
       | Let me suggest everyone here reading Nadhezda Mandelstam's
       | memoirs, "Hope against hope", and "Hope abandoned". A lot to
       | learn about people who "only wanted to make everybody happy" (she
       | includes herself in that group). Amazing.
        
       | MrMcCall wrote:
       | Oh, I didn't realize that was Maria Konnikova. That makes it hit
       | differently, now.
       | 
       | Gratitude is, indeed, difficult to keep in one's mind and heart
       | as the loveless bastards of this world further their schemes that
       | abuse the Earth and all her peoples. As the willfully ignorant
       | fools denigrate the wise and extoll the life they lead sans
       | compassion. Mining fakeass algorithmic coins as the poor can't
       | pay for heat, as food is hard to come by, and as we cook the
       | world's oceans.
       | 
       | But I know which side I am on. The side of justice has few to
       | defend it as we creep towards this reckoning, this chaos, this
       | utter misery, born of turning away from our best, our virtue,
       | while revelling in the idiocy of our worst vices. On tv, in the
       | movies, in the net's forums, in public and in private, and in the
       | people we elect.
       | 
       | This Garden smells of eggfarts and petro-exhaust, of misery and
       | deprivation, of for-profit prisons and low-income housing,
       | ketamine-jacked apartheiders, sans loving family, not loving
       | their family, but with enough money to help a million people, but
       | instead supports the living devils, the cruel, lying liars, those
       | who refuse the sweet nectar of compassion.
       | 
       | I'm grateful I'll not die like that, without even trying,
       | settling into their last breath with the universe's _knowing_
       | that they 're only settling further down as time marches on,
       | without a saving grace, with a bloated, stinking, albatross of
       | their life's own choices, bearing down upon their soul.
       | 
       | I damn them, too, for having forsaken love, belittling and
       | obscuring the Way, for lying about the truth, for taking what
       | could be stolen, hating those that love, and for perverting
       | justice. I damn them, too, for that is True Justice.
       | 
       | For selfishness, for money, for fucking money, for kicking the
       | poor while we're down. All this while, they ignore the fact that
       | the universe remembers _everything_ , and it is not unjust,
       | unloving, or uncaring.
       | 
       | No, motherfucker, Time Will Tell, I'm gonna take the Mister from
       | out in front of your name, it's high time to take the power back,
       | for the people of the sun, for the hopeless, for the poets, for
       | the innocents jailed, for innocence violated, for the good men
       | stomped out by the cruelty of unfettered capitalism.
       | 
       | No, Joseph Stalin died in his sleep, in his palace, having
       | created an unjust system that beat down _poets_ who wrote about
       | love and gratitude and the truths of life, good and bad,
       | beautiful and ugly. No, Joseph Stalin will meet his Maker, and he
       | shall reap what he has sown, for the universe is just and
       | compassionate and kind, in how it brutalizes the brutalizers,
       | tortures the torturers, but not usually upon this Earth.
       | 
       | It is just, but not always while we live, unless one counts being
       | deprived of peace. No, while we live, we all get to be as shitty
       | as we like, with no karmic lightning bolt magically striking the
       | evil down. No, we must wait, clinging to compassion and kindness
       | and service and the poetry of a life lived for the goodness of
       | the 19 virtues.
       | 
       | No, we must wait and work and hope and pray, and remain grateful
       | for the little frogs, every single bee, the breeze in the bush,
       | every laugh, every nacho and sip of coffee. And every kiss, while
       | we await the terrible changeover at the end of this brutal set.
       | 
       | Thank you Maria, for Brodsky, for your gratitude.
       | 
       | I'm a crap poet, but my poetry is the poetry of the blunt truth,
       | spoken to fools and wise alike, out of love for all.
       | 
       | Who has eyes to see, ears to hear, and a heart to understand?
        
         | topherclay wrote:
         | Wow, shots fired at low income housing.
        
           | MrMcCall wrote:
           | The vultures just bought these apartments, kicked us out of
           | our apartment for two months this summer to renovate it, so
           | they can raise our rent from $1040 to $1500 a month, with
           | formaldehyde likely in our new wood flooring. They refused my
           | request for the MSDSs. There is no law against this travesty,
           | but I'm grateful, because my family stands firm, against the
           | lying motherfucker who stood before us a earlier this year
           | and lied to our faces and said that our rent wouldn't rise.
           | No, they're not going to defeat my compassion; no, they are
           | defeating themselves with cruel profit without concern for
           | the human costs.
           | 
           | And, so, a white guy in the projects dances to "Squabble Up",
           | while my Trump-loving parents live within seven miles of us,
           | full of COVID and bullshit, going to church but caring not
           | for Jesus' teachings, dipshits that they are. They don't even
           | know their grandkids, blessed, loving, kind teens of a rare
           | ilk in these dark days.
           | 
           | I now know why Jesus said, "I came not to bring peace, but a
           | sword." That sword is the Light of Truth, the light of love
           | and honesty and goodness.
           | 
           | No evil can bear the light of truth, those that jail poets
           | and lie about the truth, and contain no love but for their
           | own; they hide from the truth, but there is only truth in
           | this universe, and what was hidden shall be brought into the
           | light.
           | 
           | "There's God's side and the other side." --Katt Williams
           | 
           | "Who the fuck are you?" --The Who
           | 
           | Get yourselves ready, because I see lightning in the
           | distance.
        
             | AnimalMuppet wrote:
             | > while my Trump-loving parents live within seven miles of
             | us, full of COVID and bullshit, going to church but caring
             | not for Jesus' teachings...
             | 
             | OK.
             | 
             | > dipshits that they are.
             | 
             | Um... that doesn't sound like Jesus' teachings either.
        
               | MrMcCall wrote:
               | You don't know the verse I'm talking about. He speaks of
               | turning children against their parents, my friend. Why
               | would a teacher of love tell us that? Well, when those
               | parents live their lives in complete opposition to what
               | that man gave his life to teach and exemplify. That's
               | when.
               | 
               | My mother believes that Trump never cheated on his wives.
               | That's a f_cking dipshit, dude.
               | 
               | Stupidity is the result of willful ignorance of the
               | truth. I don't hate anyone or think people should be
               | stoned for adultery or whatever, but the truth is the
               | truth, and we must seek it, find it, and believe it.
               | 
               | She claimed that she loves the Ten Commandments, then
               | votes for the two candidates that purposefully lied about
               | legal-immigrant Ohio-residing Haitians eating people's
               | pets. The 8th or 9th Commandment is "Thou shall not bear
               | false witness against thy neighbor." Why? Because it's
               | evil to sow mischief and lies in order to "rile up your
               | base". You know who else did that shit in the late 1930s?
               | Yup.
               | 
               | She has left the path of Wisdom and been fooled by
               | selfish, corrupt liars. And it's my father's decades of
               | FoxNews, OANN, and that other one, that has brought them
               | down.
               | 
               | 2 Timothy 3 speaks very clearly about whom to have
               | nothing to do with in this world. It's sound advice, even
               | for a non-religious person, but especially -- especially
               | -- when choosing the leaders of the most powerful country
               | on Earth.
        
               | AnimalMuppet wrote:
               | I know the verse you're talking about. Jesus is talking
               | about the result of his teachings, about what happens
               | when people follow him. Other people will turn away, hate
               | them, and fight them.
               | 
               | But he also said to love your enemies. Those people who
               | turn away and are at enmity with you? Love them anyway.
               | 
               | And it doesn't sound like you do.
               | 
               | (2 Timothy 3 is talking about people in the church. Jesus
               | is talking about people outside. If you want to say that
               | your parents don't belong in church, fine. If discernment
               | tells you to treat them like unbelievers, fine. But the
               | contempt and bitterness doesn't sound right coming from
               | someone quoting Jesus.)
        
               | MrMcCall wrote:
               | I do love my enemies, but they have to want to hear the
               | truth. It is their human right to be ignorant and ignore
               | God's Wisdom. And I treat them well, though they so loath
               | the truth that they don't call anymore. They are
               | supporting people who actively work against everything
               | Jesus lived for, and those people are making the world
               | much worse for my children, their effing grandchildren!
               | 
               | And you are not reading 2 Timothy 3 correctly. The first
               | five verses are a set of qualities that the loathsome
               | choose to manifest, and it ends with a Command, "Have
               | nothing to do with such people."
               | 
               | That verse is about people, whether in a church or not.
               | It's about people in "terrible times". And the Command is
               | _clear_. It also includes -- for those whose minds have
               | been clarified by loving God -- the implicit Command to
               | not support their being a leader.
               | 
               | Was Jesus loving his enemies when he threw the
               | moneychangers out of the Temple? He sure was, my friend.
               | My father called it "tough love", and my love for him
               | will save him from the fate of all cruelly ignorant
               | hypocrites, if only he'd listen to the effing truth.
               | 
               | The fact is that my prayers for them carry no weight in
               | the presense of their willful ignorance. Their free will
               | is respected by God just as much as mine, but I don't
               | believe Jesus will save my sins on the Judgement Day; I
               | choose to repent now and become a better person while I
               | live so that I might bring God's light of loving service
               | to all the people I can reach.
               | 
               | Jesus even says, "That which you do to the least of my
               | brothers, that you do unto me." The fakeass Christians
               | will learn the meaning of those verses on that Day of
               | Days, but, by then, it will be too late. We are judged
               | for what we _do_ here on Earth, while we live.
        
               | AnimalMuppet wrote:
               | > The fakeass Christians will learn the meaning of those
               | verses on that Day of Days, but, by then, it will be too
               | late.
               | 
               | Yup.
               | 
               | > We are judged for what we _do_ here on Earth, while we
               | live.
               | 
               | Be _very_ careful with that.
               | 
               | "But we did all this stuff!"
               | 
               | "Depart from me, for I never knew you."
               | 
               | Any real "knowing Him" _will_ change us, and thereby
               | change our actions. But be very careful of depending on
               | the actions.
               | 
               | Yes, there will be a judgment for what we do, but that
               | will be for reward, not for "in or out".
        
               | MrMcCall wrote:
               | Judgement is heaven or hell, reward or punishment. What
               | other outcome can there be?
               | 
               | Knowing Him is to follow God's commands and to love God
               | with all your being and then love your neighbor as
               | yourself. And to seek and find the meaning of "Hallowed
               | be Thy Name", and other mysteries.
               | 
               | Intention is the multiplier for our actions, and that
               | product is what we are judged upon. It's how the well-
               | intentioned act of charity is weighed differently from
               | giving charity in order to tell people, or merely for tax
               | breaks.
               | 
               | Our change comes in degrees, over time with honest self-
               | evaluation and effort, failures with apologies and,
               | eventually, successes, until we see Its Face, and
               | thereafter be "pure in heart", another "servant of all"
               | taking their place as "the greatest among us".
               | 
               | It starts with begging God to take Its Spirit (our
               | Conscience) back into Itself while we live, so that our
               | soul may be cleansed and purified of its vices. That is
               | the meaning of the 1st Beatitude, "Blessed are the poor
               | in Spirit, for theirs shall be the Kingdom of God."
               | 
               | Then we have to slog through and overcome our
               | selfishnesses, to the end, as described by the 5th (IIRC)
               | Beatitude, by learning how to choose selfless service to
               | others over selfishness.
               | 
               | Most people believe Jesus will forgive them on the JD,
               | just because they say some words; many Muslims believe
               | the same but with different words, and many Buddhists
               | believe we just keep getting more chances. No. Those are
               | lies of the deceiver of man, who works on our minds and
               | hearts.
               | 
               | We get one chance on this Earth, for good or ill, and
               | everything about our choices is knowable as to whether it
               | harmonizes with God's teachings. It is up to us to seek
               | that truth, humbly and honestly, and without the
               | misguided corruptions brought by generations of
               | telephone, whereby human beings have been led away from
               | the Truth of Love.
               | 
               | Peace be with you. We love you. I am at your service.
        
               | AnimalMuppet wrote:
               | > It starts with begging God to take Its Spirit back into
               | Itself while we live, so that our soul may be cleansed
               | and purified of its vices. That is the meaning of the 1st
               | Beatitude, "Blessed are the poor in Spirit, for theirs
               | shall be the Kingdom of God."
               | 
               | That sounds like you took the Bible and some flavor of
               | New Age stuff, threw them in a blender, and drank
               | whatever came out. That's something weird, but it's not
               | Biblical theology.
               | 
               | > Then we have to slog through and overcome our
               | selfishnesses, to the end, as described by the 5th (IIRC)
               | Beatitude, by learning how to choose selfless service to
               | others over selfishness.
               | 
               | If _you 're_ trying to slog through that, on your effort
               | and self-discipline, you're never going to get there.
               | Neither am I. I am more broken than that; sin runs deeper
               | in me than that. And in you.
               | 
               | I wish you truth, but in love I have to say that I don't
               | think you really have it.
               | 
               | I leave you the last word if you want it.
        
               | MrMcCall wrote:
               | > That's something weird, but it's not Biblical theology.
               | 
               | It's called Hidayat, and it comes from Sufism.
               | 
               | When Jesus says, in John 16:12-13, that:
               | 
               | "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now
               | bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will
               | guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his
               | own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell
               | you what is yet to come."
               | 
               | That is Jesus pointing the way, because God knew that
               | Jesus' book would be perverted by the liars and ignorant
               | and haughty, in the same way that many translators and
               | "explainers" of the Quran have distorted key concepts,
               | such as Hidayat, which is the Spirit's journey back to
               | its Creator (1st Beatitude), thus allowing our soul to be
               | cleansed and purified of its vices ("to love God with all
               | your soul").
               | 
               | The only purpose of religion is to maximize our selfless
               | loving kindness to those around us so that we all can
               | live in peace and happiness and prosperity on this
               | Garden.
               | 
               | The Catholic Church left that path a long time ago, which
               | is why they persecuted a true lover of God, St. Francis
               | of Assisi, and also why they (and many other "faiths")
               | sexually abuse so many children, and are now declaring
               | bankruptcy instead of paying the settlements meant to
               | help those whose lives they severely damaged. But their
               | love of money (gotta keep those coffers full!) is more
               | important than children to them, and we know what Jesus
               | says about that, right? I mean, that's why they kept it
               | under wraps, kept shuffling the abusers around, and have
               | now paid over $4B to attorneys (I don't believe that even
               | counts the settlements, but I could be wrong about that).
               | 
               | As to Biblical theology, I take it with the same grain of
               | salt as mainsteam Islamic teaching. They have been
               | confused by the enemy of man, and woe is the result for
               | them, their followers, and the people they harm through
               | their selfish ignorance. That doesn't mean individuals of
               | those faiths can't connect with God and rise above their
               | leaders' or teachings' hypcocrisy, ignorance, oppression,
               | pride and all the other vices that go with it.
               | 
               | [Side note: The first judoka who has ever won the
               | European Championships, Worlds, and Olympics in the same
               | year (2024) is an Azeri named "Hidayat Heyderov" -- check
               | out his smile. His ascension was not anything like a sure
               | bet, but his name and smile are just part of God's
               | Mysterious Ways. But so is my name, for that matter,
               | though not as important has Hidayat's.]
               | 
               | > If you're trying to slog through that, on your effort
               | and self-discipline ...
               | 
               | Yes, we do have to exert an enormous effort to defeat our
               | selfish weaknesses, but you are right: we cannot do this
               | on our own, though our inital efforts are important as
               | spoken of in Matthew 7:7:
               | 
               | "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find;
               | knock, and it shall be opened unto you"
               | 
               | Ridding ourselves of our selfish vices of the soul is
               | only accomplished with the help of our Creator, and
               | utilizes the meaning of "Hallowed be Thy Name", which for
               | Jesus and his followers would be Yah-weh. In Arabic, it's
               | Al-lah, in other languages: Di-os, De-us, Brah-man, Nn-
               | guy, etc. Each language having their own two-syllable
               | Name of God, to sync with our heartbeat.
               | 
               | You can recognize the person who has made a bit of
               | progress along the Way because they have been humbled by
               | our needing so much grace to get anywhere against this
               | terrible enemy, that is both an external force of
               | temptation and an internal susceptibility (our soul's
               | vices). Along the way, we develop our compassion,
               | gratitude, mercy, kindness, generosity, gentleness, and
               | truthfulness, to name but a few of the 19 virtues of the
               | soul that each have a corresponding vice, everything in
               | the universe having been created in pairs. The role of
               | Wishing to Reach Yahweh with One's Spirit (Conscience)
               | and the practice of Zikr (described below) are to
               | literally "enlighten" our soul's heart with Glories to
               | reduce and ultimately completely remove the conduit
               | within our souls that facilitates the communication of
               | selfish impulses from our enemy. This is the literal,
               | physical (in our soul's parallel dimension) definition of
               | "transmutation of the soul".
               | 
               | We are to repeat our chosen Name of God throughout the
               | day, as much as possible, until we "Love God with all our
               | [being]". That is what helps us to be able to "love our
               | neighbors as ourself", in degrees as we progress over
               | time. It is called Zikr in the Quran. It is not counted
               | as a requirement (farz) by mainstream Islam, but is
               | commanded three separate times, with differing amounts
               | per day: some, a lot (over half the day), and
               | continuously (that coincides with fully submitting our
               | soul to the Divine Will, "with all your soul"). That
               | Grace of soul purification happens a short-ish time
               | before we actually see "God's Face". That person then
               | becomes an Annointed Teacher (Murshid), is then "pure of
               | heart", having thus submitted not only their soul, but
               | their free will, too. I've met two such Muslim Sufi men
               | and the student of a Christian man whose teacher was also
               | such a one.
               | 
               | Such men are a sublime combination of the innocence of a
               | child and the deepest Wisdom, which is actually the case,
               | in both dimensions.
               | 
               | > I wish you truth, but in love I have to say that I
               | don't think you really have it.
               | 
               | I already knew that, my friend, both that that's what you
               | believed and that you are not evil-minded or -hearted,
               | and that this is your compassionately honest initial
               | reaction to this new information after your lifetime of
               | really, really trying. That is why _we_ are having this
               | conversaion.
               | 
               | But you can find no fault with what I say (though likely
               | in how I say it, for I am not a fully submitted person,
               | so another vice of the soul, pride, is still at work in
               | me, to some extent; I apologize for my coarseness) for
               | the logic is unassailable, as it is the absolute Truth.
               | 
               | You have no reason to doubt my being the person
               | presenting the logic I present here, for I ask for
               | nothing for myself, and only wish you and the entire
               | world to be happy. We would never ask you to accept Islam
               | (or any other religion, for that matter); we only suggest
               | that you go within yourself and ask God to point your way
               | forward, perhaps even asking God if what I have shared
               | with everyone today is, indeed, the Truth. That is all
               | any of us is required to do in order to begin becoming a
               | better human manifestation of God's Loving Wisdom. This
               | why Rumi (a fully submitted person and a rather vulgar
               | poet at times) said, "The Way goes in."
               | 
               | The only argument you will find will appear in your mind
               | and heart from the enemy of mankind, the enemy of
               | happiness, who ever seeks to derail us from the happiness
               | we are capable of when we submit our beings to the Divine
               | Will. It defends the ignorance it convinces us to choose
               | with its deceits, because its very destructively active
               | existence in our being and in our cultures depends on our
               | willful ignorance (another vice of the soul). That
               | negative entity only manifests itself in our Earthly
               | plane within our hearts and minds and, physically, via
               | willfully ignorant human beings acting on its behalf, by
               | their misguided use of their free will.
               | 
               | If you ever have questions, you can find me. Peace be
               | with you. We love you. Thank you very much for inspiring
               | me this day. And thank you, dang et al, for allowing this
               | "Sufi Science of the Soul's Perfection" to be
               | communicated here. You are receiving blessings for
               | allowing your boxen to facilitate me speaking of our
               | humanity's highest potential: the journey to and personal
               | arrival at selfless loving kindness in service to all
               | mankind, and the Earth herself, where all human beings
               | are respected, even if their actions deserve righteous
               | criticism for the benefit of the whole.
               | 
               | [And, Mr. Muppet, please feel free to ask more questions,
               | going back on a questionable promise is the best course
               | of action. The amount of joy I feel today is even better
               | than the day I missed my exit to our house-based masjid,
               | but then offered a ride to a woman walking home in the
               | rain, whereby she showed me the bottle of Extra Strength
               | Tylenol she had just bought and swallowed half of. I
               | asked her if she would let me take her to the fire
               | station, and she let me, Praise be to God! We spent some
               | hours at the hospital together; she was an extraordinary
               | person in a difficult situation.
               | 
               | The enemy of man tries to convince _every_ single human
               | being to commit suicide; it 's just one way that evil
               | bastard works on us all. Thank God I resisted his reasons
               | those many years ago when he put me to his screws, but my
               | resistance and being saved was solely through the Grace
               | of God!]
               | 
               | Everything I say on HN (from this to tech commentary to
               | history to jokes) is truthfully communicated knowing that
               | I shall face my words' veracity on the JD. I love you
               | all! And thank you very much.
        
             | IncreasePosts wrote:
             | Why would you think you have a monopoly on understanding of
             | Jesus' teachings?
             | 
             | There are thousands of varieties of christianity or Christ-
             | followers, all with different understanding of Jesus'
             | teachings. Many of which are mutually incompatible.
        
       | ajuc wrote:
       | Gratitude is nice but the poems that do change governments and
       | people's lives for the better can't only do gratitude. Anger is
       | needed too. Accountability is important.
       | 
       | Some people treat the oppressive government as weather. Something
       | you don't have any control over and therefore - no responsibility
       | for. Others treat it as their responsibility. And these people
       | are NOT grateful, when injustice is done in their names.
       | 
       | Compare https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48501/the-envoy-
       | of-mr...                   let your sister Scorn not leave you
       | for the informers executioners cowards--they will win
       | they will go to your funeral and with relief will throw a lump of
       | earth         the woodborer will write your smoothed-over
       | biography              and do not forgive truly it is not in your
       | power         to forgive in the name of those betrayed at dawn
       | 
       | Guess which country remains totalitarian.
        
         | eyeundersand wrote:
         | Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed both poems but remain partial to
         | Brodsky's- probably a matter of taste and preference.
         | 
         | However, your conclusion (or at least the way I interpreted it)
         | that the essence that drove the writing of Herbert's poem was
         | also responsible for Polish political outcomes and Russia's
         | current state seems a bit far-fetched and reductionist. And
         | Brodsky's poem and quotes in the article do not imply a lack of
         | courage/defiance to me. On the contrary, I read his poem to
         | mean that despite being steadfast in your views, have room for
         | gratitude.
        
           | ajuc wrote:
           | It's a simplification, obviously. But I do think there's a
           | cultural factor in how society approaches the government and
           | suffering in general that strongly influences what kind of
           | government keeps developing in that society.
           | 
           | When you talk about politics with Russians - they always talk
           | about it like it's a force of nature. Like the only choice is
           | fatalistic acceptance.
        
             | eyeundersand wrote:
             | I agree with you on that point. This fatalistic attitude is
             | also often mentioned when discussing how the Indian
             | subcontinent remained colonized for so long. I do not know
             | enough about Polish history to be able to compare their
             | cultural stock to that of the 'East'.
        
       | cassepipe wrote:
       | In the first poem, I read                   Broken eggs make me
       | grieve; the omelet, though, makes me vomit
       | 
       | One of my favourite quotes about the Soviet Union is when Panahit
       | Istrati after visiting Stalin's russia replied to the "You don't
       | make omelet without breaking a few eggs" with :
       | All right, I can see the broken eggs. Now where's this omelette
       | of yours?
       | 
       | I wonder if it's a reference to this quote
        
       | regnull wrote:
       | I'm sure Brodsky is a great poet, but there is also this:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Independence_of_Ukraine
        
         | ajuc wrote:
         | "In Russia even anarchists are imperialists"
         | 
         | Jozef Pilsudski (which also wasn't a great guy, but about
         | Russia he was right)
        
       | Nilofersyed wrote:
       | Thats beautiful..
        
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