[HN Gopher] The Rock VX Gas Canister Build (2022)
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The Rock VX Gas Canister Build (2022)
Author : 882542F3884314B
Score : 91 points
Date : 2024-12-02 03:44 UTC (19 hours ago)
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| unsnap_biceps wrote:
| Amazing work! Thanks for sharing the link.
| mrweasel wrote:
| This is dumb and extremely dangerous. People should not be
| messing with nerve gas in their home labs.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| * Note: props may not contain actual nerve agent
| ale42 wrote:
| It's some colored aloe gel (written in the next). And actual
| VX is probably not fluorescent green...
| ethbr1 wrote:
| Because you made me curious
|
| >> _The nerve agent VX is an oily liquid that is clear,
| odorless, and tasteless, and looks similar to motor oil._
| [0]
|
| "Clear" and "motor oil" seem mutually-exclusive though.
|
| Apparently what they meant was translucent, brown-tinted
| fresh motor oil. [1]
|
| [0] https://www.webmd.com/men/commonly-known-chemical-
| weapons-ag...
|
| [1] https://spectrumnews1.com/ky/louisville/news/2022/06/08
| /chem...
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| > _" Clear" and "motor oil" seem mutually-exclusive
| though._
|
| Perhaps they mean that it makes this fun "holo" effect
| when mixed with water and spilled on flat surface?
| nradov wrote:
| How do they know it's tasteless???
|
| Or maybe they mean that it's tasteless (as in uncultured
| or gauche) to kill your enemies with nerve gas instead of
| a more elegant weapon.
| jsheard wrote:
| They do mean it doesn't taste (or smell) of anything, and
| they probably know because of human experiments.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_Arsenal_human_expe
| rim...
|
| _The chemical agents tested on volunteers included
| chemical warfare agents and other related agents:
|
| Anticholinesterase nerve agents (VX, sarin) and common
| organophosphorus (OP) and carbamate pesticides_
| water-data-dude wrote:
| I'm guessing they're referring to the 2 inert precursor
| chemicals that are mixed together right before the weapon
| goes off?
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| I'm still not going to eat it on rub it in my eyes though!
| prokopton wrote:
| Agreed. Definitely feels like a workplace-only project.
| whalesalad wrote:
| Imagine trying to take this thru TSA.
| MisterTea wrote:
| "Well you see officer its a rather elaborate hand gel
| dispenser. If youll just give me a moment I'll show you how
| harmless this stuff [ampule of "hand gel" falls on floor and
| shatters] OH GOD WERE ALL GONNA DIE!"
| strictnein wrote:
| Obligatory scene from 12 Monkeys:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok9tswBa-ZI
| neilv wrote:
| My first thought was why would someone want to do this, like
| they're glamorizing a weapon that causes mass horrors and misery.
|
| But I did just spend hours of the holiday weekend playing a
| typical video game that's pretty much entirely about shooting
| people. (And in this case with a sprinkling of sometimes running
| them through with a machete instead.)
|
| So maybe we already society-wide glamorize weapons and killing,
| but the nerve gas variety of that is... only unfamiliar?
|
| Or it is innately less-appealing somehow?
| jsheard wrote:
| If it's any consolation, the way VX is portrayed in The Rock
| has almost nothing in common with the real thing.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| In that it doesn't aerosolize at room temperature? (from a
| couple decades-ago memory of the film)
| jsheard wrote:
| In that it doesn't melt your skin off or melt through
| protective gear, isn't neon green, isn't stored in silly
| glass beads, and usually isn't stored in active form at all
| but rather binary agents that are combined as late as
| possible. It's nasty stuff no doubt but the movie version
| that OP recreated is a made up weapon that just happens to
| use the same name, and they probably recreated it because
| it's an intentionally cool looking prop, not because they
| think actual chemical weapons are cool.
| zardo wrote:
| MI6 didn't know that.
|
| https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rock-
| scr...
| onlypassingthru wrote:
| You're only supposed to shoot, explode, burn or crush someone
| in war. Gassing them is barbaric.
| XorNot wrote:
| It's a post from a propmaker community of replicating an iconic
| prop?
|
| Movies are all about how they make the audience feel, and
| _everyone_ remembers the creepiness of this particular prop in
| The Rock. It 's awesome that someone replicated it because yeah
| - it's a very impressive prop because of _exactly_ that reason
| - it was basically a character itself in them movie, and was an
| impressively constructed visual piece which was meant to exude
| menace.
|
| You're doing a weird thing of saying "obviously this is about
| nerve gas"...no it is first and foremost about a movie, a
| story, and the emotional narrative it told.
| recycledmatt wrote:
| Long after you are gone, you are going to give some Junk Removal
| person a heart attack.
| zackangelo wrote:
| Interestingly, the actual prop was auctioned off in 2022 for more
| than $18K! [0]
|
| [0] https://propstoreauction.com/lot-
| details/index/catalog/319/l...
| robocat wrote:
| Contains closeup photos of the original prop for comparison -
| Thanks.
| perdomon wrote:
| This build unlocked the memory of watching this movie as a child
| and being terrified that nerve gas was something I could
| encounter in my day-to-day life.
| graypegg wrote:
| I'm glad I'm not the only one with that specific memory! My dad
| loved this movie, it was in the regular rotation of his choice
| for our movie nights.
|
| The scene with the needle you have to jab in your heart
| reminded me of defibrillators (nothing deeper than medical
| heart thing = defibrillator) so as a kid I always assumed those
| defibrillator cabinets in public areas was nerve agent
| antidote! Just in case!
| actionfromafar wrote:
| Well, in the UK, sometimes you can!
| krisoft wrote:
| Or in Malaysia:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam
| hermitcrab wrote:
| It unlocked the memory of me watching this as an adult and
| remembering what an awful film it was.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| Weird - I remember watching the movie as a child and mostly
| thinking "Boy, I wish I could bite into one of those green goo
| balls"
| aeonik wrote:
| According to this chemist, those balls should be Amber
| colored.
|
| https://youtu.be/asAd-E5_HPo?t=1270&si=EmU4rOGHF_XLNSSX
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| In my head I'm still thinking nerve gas would be used en masse
| in war and terrorism, but other than WW1 (mustard gas) it
| doesn't seem like a common tactic. And it's banned under the
| Geneva Convention, insofar as anyone follows that.
| XorNot wrote:
| It's sort of like how growing up how to escape quicksand seemed
| like a very important bit of knowledge to have.
| gattr wrote:
| On a related note: for a more realistic portrayal of VX-like-
| agent-in-a-terror-plot, see Michael Crichton's novel "Binary".
| cbanek wrote:
| Yeah just watched the Rock a few nights ago (on my new giant
| TV) and the movie holds up, but the VX gas does not make you
| blister up like they show in the movie, nor does it just
| naturally vaporize into a deadly gas. One of its strong points
| is actually that it is sticky and is hard to get off of you
| once it makes contact. It will still kill you though.
| mandevil wrote:
| Just as a note, real chemical weapons are not like this at all.
| Basically, VX (in the US and basically all other countries) is
| stored in binary form(1), two separate, basically clear chemicals
| with a glass wall that separates them, and the wall breaks from
| the force of the blast and the chemicals mix and you have VX, but
| it doesn't look cool. So Michael Bay had them make this instead,
| because it looked better on film.
|
| There was a famous bit from the Iraq Inquiry Committee (aka the
| Chilcot Report) where they found that MI6 reported a bit of
| intelligence to Tony Blair that a source in Iraq claimed that
| they produced VX at the Al-Yarmuk plant- but described what was
| in the movie, not real life. After it was reported to Blair that
| they had sources who had seen VX in Iraq, they showed the raw
| intelligence to someone who knew something about chemical weapons
| and they said "Whatever your source saw, it wasn't VX" and MI6
| realized that the source was lying. (I think that this source is
| different from the more famous liar Curveball.)
|
| 1: Besides being bad for humans, VX is also bad for metal, and
| will destroy any case if kept in long term storage. Basically if
| you load a normal chemical weapon shell with mixed, ready to go
| VX it will be unusable- more of a threat to the crew firing the
| howitzer than the enemy- within a few days.
| rl3 wrote:
| It's also worth noting that in the film, it's depicted as a
| blistering agent as well--just for gruesome effect.
|
| By Michael Bay logic, injecting atropine also prevents one's
| skin from falling off.
| trainfromkansas wrote:
| Playing devil's advocate: why assume Iraq would (attempt to)
| store VX in the same way? It actually has a thin ring of
| plausibility around it in the same the way you sometimes hear
| stories that Kim Jong Il would watch American movies and demand
| "I want us to build that".
| Analemma_ wrote:
| Because Iraq used real chemical weapons in the war with Iran.
| It would be sort of ridiculous to pivot to fake ones after
| that.
| cluckindan wrote:
| The screen-used "guidance chip" has Uranus brand capacitors on
| it. That may or may not be a real brand.
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