[HN Gopher] Increasing testosterone levels does not increase sex...
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Increasing testosterone levels does not increase sex drive
Author : belter
Score : 18 points
Date : 2024-11-27 21:39 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| hu3 wrote:
| This seems to be the study:
| https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2024.150...
| PrismCrystal wrote:
| I wonder if that means that lower sex drive does not necessarily
| mean lower testosterone?
|
| This is not a purely theoretical question. I spend half the year
| traveling the world in ways that let me talk a lot with local
| people, and I am astounded by the number of young men in
| developing countries who venerate Andrew Tate and are frantic
| about physical access to women. As a somewhat older man, I can't
| share their desperation and I wish I could communicate to them
| "Just wank it and then get back to doing something productive
| with your time", yet I fear being accused of being a "low-T man",
| which in that social-media world is an object of contempt.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| Lack of access to sex (aka women aren't interested) tends to be
| an identity level failure to men, not just a temporarily
| feeling of horniness that goes away after a wank. Else the
| problem would be solved half a dozen times a day for these
| young men.
|
| Though, like the PUA forums of the early 2000s, I don't think
| Andrew Tate is going to be much help. But that's a separate
| issue.
| yyuugg wrote:
| "If A (higher T) then not B (higher sex drive)" does not imply
| "If B then not A".
|
| But agree, these men have built a culture where they believe
| that's true. I think that they'd be better served by not
| obsessing so hard. Sex will happen, and it's easiest to get
| when you are chill, safe, approachable.
|
| And yet, these dudes feel the need to do toxic shit to
| themselves and others. It's a tragedy.
| tayo42 wrote:
| > and I am astounded by the number of young men in developing
| countries who venerate Andrew Tate and are frantic about
| physical access to women. As a somewhat older man,
|
| Kind of curious which countries? I noticed this some countries
| where women rights seem restricted or theyre lower class, and
| religious. Indonesia and Morocco.
| TaylorAlexander wrote:
| Certainly the ire of Andrew Tate fans should be thoroughly
| ignored. You can have whatever sex drive you want, and their
| contempt is childish and misguided. If you did want to try
| experiencing a higher sex drive, try edging daily for a week
| without getting off and see how you feel on day 7.
| SirMaster wrote:
| I've never had any sex drive my entire life and my T levels
| test normally. So I would say one doesn't necessarily imply the
| other. Pretty sure it's more complicated.
| julianeon wrote:
| But older men are "low-T" relative to younger men.
| LudwigNagasena wrote:
| The subtitle literally contradicts the title.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| Well, getting T back to the normal range restores libido, but
| fluctuations inside this range don't seem to correlate with
| libido.
| ndarray wrote:
| Which would mean the headline is false for those with below
| normal testo levels.
| petercooper wrote:
| I assume it means moving up but still starting from within the
| normal range?
|
| Only one data point, but over the course of this year, I've
| gone from having the very lowest T level in the acceptable
| range to the upper half of the range and noticed very little
| except some increased assertiveness.
| Manuel_D wrote:
| "...if there is no deficit to the hormone". It sounds like if
| someone has lower-than-normal testosterone then it increases
| sex drive. But if someone is already at normal levels of
| testosterone takes more, it doesn't significantly change sex
| drive.
| petesergeant wrote:
| No, the headline/study match-up is even dumber than that I'm
| afraid.
|
| The study (which looks fine, the article is trash) is looking
| at if a given man's sexual desire fluctuates as their
| testosterone does, day to day[0], in men with healthy
| testosterone levels.
|
| https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2024.150.
| ..
| Madmallard wrote:
| Can we please flag and remove obviously false posts like this?
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| I only have a basic understanding of endocrinology, but when I
| saw this headline, I thought "this is obviously true". Exhibit
| A: women.
| kemitche wrote:
| The article contradicts your exhibit A: "Additionally, women,
| who naturally produce much less testosterone, reported an
| increase in sex drive, when given testosterone supplements."
| TaylorAlexander wrote:
| Do you mean to suggest women have a lower sex drive? When I
| started taking estrogen and suppressing my T, my sex drive
| changed a lot but it didn't reduce. It's just more impacted
| by emotional factors like life stress and anxiety.
| chefandy wrote:
| It's an article discussing the results of a study. Who/what
| would you recommend as gatekeeper for discussing studies over
| the current crowd-sourced method?
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