[HN Gopher] Apple ordered to open up in-app purchases in Brazil
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Apple ordered to open up in-app purchases in Brazil
Author : impish9208
Score : 34 points
Date : 2024-11-26 12:10 UTC (10 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (techcrunch.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (techcrunch.com)
| hu3 wrote:
| > The Brazilian regulator has determined that Apple should allow
| app developers to link to external websites for subscriptions and
| digital purchases. Alternatively, the company could let
| developers take care of payment processing themselves.
|
| Is this like EU is trying/doing?
| gary_0 wrote:
| > Otherwise, if the iPhone maker doesn't comply, it faces fines
| of $43,000 per day.
|
| That's 0.016% of their income, if anyone was curious.
| alganet wrote:
| From what I could grasp of the official text, there seems to be
| more conditions.
|
| Apple must make the decision made by Cade public in their
| website, and also inform all iOS developers affected.
|
| The law which was used (L12529) also allows more aggressive
| fines (let's say 43.000 per day per iOS developer), or even
| suspension of services. But these were not mentioned in the
| decision.
| justinclift wrote:
| > and also inform all iOS developers affected.
|
| Yay (/s), that'll be another "Terms and Conditions" change
| from Apple that all registered Apple devs receive an email
| for and need to sign, regardless of the new terms, in order
| to continue having builds notarized.
| knubie wrote:
| > That's 0.016% of their income, if anyone was curious.
|
| Is that 0.016% of their global income, or just in Brazil?
| lanna wrote:
| $43,000/0.00016 = $268,750,000 I doubt Apple sells that much
| a day in Brazil.
| alganet wrote:
| There seems to be a lot of context missing from these articles.
|
| Mercado Libre has its own payment tech. They're like a latin
| american Amazon+Stripe. I don't know if that plays a role in what
| is being disputed, but it is worth mentioning.
|
| Mercado Libre also started distributing Disney+ content, similar
| to Prime. If you buy stuff often, you get a good discount in a
| Disney+ subscription. This seems to be related to the complaint
| about restrictions in digital content distribution.
|
| The whole interaction seems to be public (email exchanges and
| documents, in brazillian portuguese):
|
| https://sei.cade.gov.br/sei/modulos/pesquisa/md_pesq_process...
| dagmx wrote:
| This will probably just follow their existing precedent in other
| countries like South Korea and Denmark (the latter limited to
| dating apps?).
|
| In those regions it's just a reduction of 3% that covers the
| payment processing.
|
| So it'll give more choice but not enough to drive a lot of
| adoption, since that's the same or below what other payment
| processors take as well.
| quitit wrote:
| While it goes give developers a choice - it favours large
| business who can obtain a better rate.
|
| The only pro to apple's model is that developers small and
| large were on equal competitive footing to consumers.
|
| While I believe it's good that developers have a choice, the
| reality is that this means that larger companies will always
| have better margins than small operators, helping solidify
| their position in the market.
| op7 wrote:
| Wish Apple would start taking a stand again and telling foreign
| despots the answer is "no". Pull all their assets out of the
| country and when the government blocks their ASNs, Apple can
| shrug and point the finger and let that government deal with the
| social/political backlash of millions of peoples phones turning
| to bricks.
| dismalaf wrote:
| Foreign despots like the EU? Apple might be able to tell Brazil
| where to go but the EU is the world's second largest economy.
| amarcheschi wrote:
| The funny answer would be "god I wish so".
|
| A more serious answer is, monopolies in the long run are
| detrimental both for the economy and the general public as
| well. A company becoming so important that for an issue like
| this it could threaten to make phones bricks is already a bad
| signal, but they're not gonna do that cause they like those
| sweet pesky profits in Brazil and in the eu as well
|
| You think that apple can do whatever it wants on its platform
| because its their ip? Well then, I don't see why the eu and
| Brazil can't do whatever they want (perhaps this brings out how
| dumb the my platform my rules argument is)
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