[HN Gopher] The First Suburb
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The First Suburb
Author : pepys
Score : 24 points
Date : 2024-11-25 20:51 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| CalRobert wrote:
| """ developers were coming in with proposals to demolish the
| Victorian villas in the area so that they could build apartments.
| We decided to designate it as a conservation area so that nothing
| could be knocked down without our permission. """
|
| I note the author does not say what actions they took to ensure
| their decisions did not negatively affect the supply of housing.
| ggm wrote:
| They're not obliged to. Conservation is a good on its own
| terms. They also didn't address carbon burdens, asbestos or
| diversity.
|
| Look I get it, there's a housing crisis. If you want to argue
| we should make suburban Seoul with towers for 10km can I remind
| you le Corbusiers ideas were implemented widely in Birmingham
| and Manchester and were a disaster.
|
| Maybe, the answer is to raid the green belt? Oh look, another
| "special interest" bun fight. More Barrett homes now! More
| ticky tacky. More all the same.
| cassepipe wrote:
| I believe you had this song in mind when you wrote your
| comment, didn't you ? :
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs
| quickslowdown wrote:
| The video is unavailable, but it's the intro song for the
| tv show Weeds, isn't it?
| soperj wrote:
| Most people aren't calling for towers all around, but mixed
| development instead of single family housing.
| cpursley wrote:
| That's only because they weren't well connected (by design?)
| to the community vs how say the Soviets implemented theirs
| (one of the things they actually got right, despite the
| brutal aesthetics). Similar story for the US "projects" -
| completely isolated from ADLs (activities of daily living).
|
| From all the places I've visited, I think the Dutch and
| Danish have figured out a nice middle ground for building
| mixed use human scale places.
| pmyteh wrote:
| There weren't housing shortages in most Northern cities in the
| 1980s. Significant deindustrialisation had hollowed them out
| and they were in economic decline. The population in Manchester
| dropped continuously from 766,311 in 1931 to 392,819 in 2001
| before starting to recover[0].
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| This was also before the sell-off of council housing, so it was
| still possible for the authority to guarantee housing. So
| conservation of unloved but historically important buildings
| was probably a more pressing problem than finding some vacant
| land to build flats.
|
| https://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/25393/a2...
| fffernan wrote:
| In China they went and built a ton of housing, but then people
| don't want to live in those cities and their population has
| peaked up. So forcing housing solutions doesn't necessarily end
| well either.
| enaaem wrote:
| Suburbs are most of the time a forced housing solution. Allow
| people more freedom how to use the land they own. Have simple
| and sensible regulations on nuisance levels and light
| coverage. Japan is a good example where it works.
| benj111 wrote:
| No, well 1980s Manchester isn't modern day $prosperous city.
|
| Further, I suspect a run down '10 servant' Victorian Villa
| could house more people in bedsits, than the replacement
| apartments, so in effect youre complaining that the have nots
| had housing at the expense of the better off, which probably
| isn't the complaint you were intending to make.
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