[HN Gopher] January 1928: Dirac equation unifies quantum mechani...
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       January 1928: Dirac equation unifies quantum mechanics and special
       relativity
        
       Author : thunderbong
       Score  : 95 points
       Date   : 2024-11-21 02:17 UTC (20 hours ago)
        
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       | hdivider wrote:
       | If our society were sane, rational, advanced, the headlines would
       | be all about scientific and technological progress. The fusion
       | power breakthrough of 2022 by Lawrence Livermore National Lab
       | would still dominate the news. Large corporations would compete
       | to create the first Star Trek replicator (at least for organic
       | matter, food, etc) by advancements in nanofabrication.
       | Politicians would debate R&D topics and strategy, figuring out
       | which path leads to greater broad-sector economic progress.
       | 
       | One can dream. :) Instead, we have a society almost entirely
       | dependent on many kinds of technology, and yet very few
       | understand any of it, nor care to. Wonder how long this trend can
       | persist until some sort of phase transition appears on the
       | horizon.
        
         | readthenotes1 wrote:
         | Some many years ago some people collected some negative traits
         | to describe the foibles of people. Unfortunately, these
         | negatives seem to dominate much of the news:
         | 
         | Pride, Greed, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth.
         | 
         | If we could somehow dim the influence of these human traits, we
         | might get closer to the world you described
        
           | heresie-dabord wrote:
           | > Pride, Greed, Lust, Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Sloth
           | 
           | The greatest _popular_ innovation of our time appears to be
           | to have extended the above list with Falsehood, Cruelty, and
           | Pollution.
        
             | terminalbraid wrote:
             | I assure you falsehood, cruelty, and pollution have existed
             | long before our time.
        
             | Jensson wrote:
             | Falsehood Cruelty and Pollution are results of the 7 sins.
             | Cruelty is typically caused by Anger or Envy, Pollution
             | from Gluttony and Sloth, Falsehood from Pride and Envy etc.
        
         | ggu7hgfk8j wrote:
         | We aren't spherical philosophers in a vacuum. We are emotional
         | animals trying our best. This fact requires constant
         | consideration and management lest it all come crumbling down.
        
           | winwang wrote:
           | Alright, so we're spherical cow-philosophers... (jk, I like
           | your point!)
        
           | guerrilla wrote:
           | > trying our best
           | 
           | I strongly question this part. Most people just want comfort.
           | More is never enough for them.
        
         | antonvs wrote:
         | > The fusion power breakthrough of 2022 by Lawrence Livermore
         | National Lab would still dominate the news.
         | 
         | If our society were sane, rational, advanced, it would
         | recognize that that "breakthrough" was a minor, arbitrary
         | improvement in reaction efficiency, that realistically brings
         | us no closer to commercially viable fusion power, and doesn't
         | prove anything about the possibility of that.
         | 
         | That reaction still consumed something like 100 times the power
         | that it produced, and the "power" that it produced was just
         | heat energy, which would still entail losses when converted
         | into usable form.
         | 
         | On top of that, the nature of the Livermore reaction is not one
         | that's even intended or suitable for commercial power
         | production.
         | 
         | At this point, we simply don't even know whether controlled,
         | commercially viable fusion will ever be able to produce more
         | power than it consumes. There's no guarantee that it will.
         | 
         | If you're not aware of what I'm referring to, this article is a
         | starting point: "Why the nuclear fusion 'net energy gain' is
         | more hype than breakthrough": https://whyy.org/segments/why-
         | the-nuclear-fusion-net-energy-...
         | 
         | While this might all seem like an irrelevant aside to the point
         | being made above, it's relevant because it shows how pervasive
         | misinformation is, even when coming from supposedly scientific
         | sources.
        
           | elashri wrote:
           | The announcement was correct and precise. I am not sure what
           | misinformation you are describing here.
           | 
           | Regarding your 100 more energy claim. It overlooks key facts
           | about the NIF breakthrough. The fusion reaction itself
           | achieved net energy gain, producing 3.15 MJ compared to 2.05
           | MJ of input laser energy - far from consuming "100 times the
           | power it produced." While the total facility power usage was
           | indeed higher due to laser inefficiencies, this misses the
           | crucial scientific achievement. This was basically humanity's
           | first controlled fusion reaction producing more energy than
           | was directly input to the fuel. Dismissing this as a "minor,
           | arbitrary improvement" understates its significance. This
           | wasn't just about efficiency metrics - it demonstrated fusion
           | ignition was possible, a fundamental physics milestone that
           | had eluded scientists for decades. Though challenges remain
           | for commercial fusion power, the breakthrough proved a
           | critical theoretical concept that many thought impossible.
           | Many critics before that were referring to this point as the
           | reason why it isn't worth it to keep researching. And they
           | were proved wrong.
           | 
           | Trying to redefine the announcement and experiment result to
           | mean something else so that you can attack is a dishonest
           | behavior.
        
             | roelschroeven wrote:
             | Nobody ever doubted that fusion ignition was physically
             | possible. It happens in stars all the time, and people have
             | achieved it in thermonuclear weapons.
             | 
             | This was the first time fusion ignition was achieved in a
             | laboratory setting, i.e. in a controlled fashion. Is that
             | seen as a fundamental physics milestone? To me it seems
             | more an incremental engineering achievement.
        
             | antonvs wrote:
             | > The announcement was correct and precise.
             | 
             | "The" announcement? There were several announcements, with
             | varying degrees of scientific rigor.
             | 
             | Here's one typical example:
             | https://www.llnl.gov/article/49301/shot-ages-fusion-
             | ignition...
             | 
             | Quote: "...achieved fusion ignition -- creating more energy
             | from fusion reactions than the energy used to start the
             | process."
             | 
             | That is not "correct and precise." In fact, without any
             | mention of the additional context that at least 300 MJ of
             | power was used to produce 3.15 MJ of not directly usable
             | heat energy, it's incorrect, imprecise, and misleading at
             | best.
             | 
             | It's also misleading because it doesn't tell you that NIF's
             | definition of "ignition" is significantly different, in
             | essential respects, from the term's use in other fusion
             | contexts. For example, ignition at NIF doesn't mean that a
             | self-sustaining reaction has been achieved. As such, the
             | use of this term at all is dubious. It has no fundamental
             | meaning here, it's just a name being used for an
             | arbitrarily defined efficiency target.
             | 
             | Realistically, the term is being used to try to connect
             | what NIF is doing, in a facility ostensibly intended for
             | nuclear weapons research, to what fusion power research
             | efforts are doing. It's a hype-driven word game, it's not
             | meaningful.
             | 
             | Back to the quote above: it's carefully worded to sound as
             | though it's saying something that not true. No layperson
             | without prior knowledge of nuclear fusion issues is going
             | to correctly understand that statement - and indeed, most
             | of the initial press about this didn't, i.e. the
             | journalists reporting it didn't understand what it meant,
             | which is what the article I originally linked to was
             | responding to.
             | 
             | That brings us to the main point: I didn't say anything
             | about an announcement. I responded to someone who was
             | talking about what our _society_ would do if it  "were
             | sane, rational, advanced".
             | 
             | I'm saying that it's extremely unfortunate that our society
             | is too scientifically illiterate to correctly report on and
             | understand what ultimately was a somewhat routine
             | scientific achievement, reaching a defined efficiency
             | target that has no particular fundamental meaning in the
             | context.
             | 
             | > The fusion reaction itself achieved net energy gain,
             | producing 3.15 MJ compared to 2.05 MJ of input laser energy
             | - far from consuming "100 times the power it produced."
             | 
             | It used at least 300 MJ of power to drive the lasers[1].
             | 300 / 3.15 = 95. But that factor of 95 would just be to
             | reach a break even point with the heat energy produced,
             | it's not directly usable energy.
             | 
             | For actual usable energy, according to a 2023 presentation
             | at the LLNL High Energy Density Science Seminar[2], "For a
             | power plant, gain would need to be increased ~1000x
             | relative to current NIF performance."
             | 
             | None of the announcement about this so-called "ignition"
             | event mentioned any of this, and nor did most (any?) of the
             | mainstream press about it.
             | 
             | The reality here is that in order to maintain public
             | interest in nuclear fusion, and keep getting funded, it has
             | to be presented as though fusion power is just around the
             | corner - "5 years!". What I was pointing out is that "if
             | our society were sane, rational, advanced," we would not
             | need to play such games. We would not need to continually
             | mislead the public, we would not need to pretend that
             | facilities being used to do nuclear weapon "stockpile
             | stewardship" research have some relevance to fusion power,
             | and so on.
             | 
             | I also found it ironic that the commenter who wanted a
             | "sane, rational, advanced" society appeared themselves to
             | be a victim of the misleading hype around the NIF event,
             | saying that it should "still dominate the news." It simply
             | wasn't that significant.
             | 
             | > This wasn't just about efficiency metrics - it
             | demonstrated fusion ignition was possible, a fundamental
             | physics milestone
             | 
             | This is incorrect, as explained above. "Ignition" here is a
             | term defined by LLNL to apply to their particular weapons-
             | oriented fusion facility. There's nothing "fundamental"
             | about it. It's a defined target for experimental
             | efficiency, that's all.
             | 
             | > ... that had eluded scientists for decades
             | 
             | And still does, at any facility that's trying to achieve
             | nuclear power generation, and not just a weapons research
             | facility blasting a pellet with 300 MJ from 192 lasers. The
             | NIF result is simply not transferable to any other fusion
             | scenario.
             | 
             | > Trying to redefine the announcement and experiment result
             | to mean something else so that you can attack is a
             | dishonest behavior.
             | 
             | It's not clear that you yet understand the full extent of
             | the deception that you've been subjected to, so you're
             | trying to shoot the messenger.
             | 
             | [1] https://ww2.aip.org/fyi/2022/national-ignition-
             | facility-achi...
             | 
             | [2] https://heds-
             | center.llnl.gov/sites/heds_center/files/2023-03... (bottom
             | of 59th slide)
        
               | elashri wrote:
               | As a fellow scientist, I will go and read the details
               | from the research paper that the group published [1].
               | Anything else is nonsense for me. it gives a clear view
               | on the goals, physics and what was done. Including all
               | the details you would get that. I will quote the first
               | paragraph from the paper summary
               | 
               | > In summary, the December 5, 2022 experiment on the
               | National Ignition Facility, N221204, was the first time
               | that fusion target gain was unambiguously achieved in the
               | laboratory in any fusion scheme. The demonstrated level
               | of target gain on N221204 of 1.5 times is a proof of
               | principle that controlled laboratory fusion energy is
               | possible
               | 
               | And they specifically mention that it is not overall
               | facility-wise net gain in the next paragraph
               | 
               | > Notethat G_{target} > 1 does not imply net energy gain
               | from a practical fusion energy perspective, because the
               | energy consumed by the NIF laser facility is typically
               | 100x larger than E_{laser}. The NIF laser architecture
               | and target configuration was chosen to give the highest
               | probability for fusion ignition for research purposes and
               | was not optimized to produce net energy for fusion energy
               | applications.
               | 
               | So you don't have to go and claim a deception. You want
               | to claim it wasn't significant which is your opinion but
               | that is not what the actual scientific community in the
               | field (who know more than you) would agree.
               | 
               | [1] https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev
               | Lett.13...
        
               | antonvs wrote:
               | > So you don't have to go and claim a deception.
               | 
               | I didn't claim a deception in the research paper. I've
               | clearly stated what I'm claiming, and you've said nothing
               | that changes any of that.
               | 
               | In fact, you originally didn't even mention the research
               | paper, you said "the announcement". The deception was in
               | every official announcement, none of which included any
               | details of the caveat that you quoted. That deception
               | continued, mostly unwittingly I'm sure, in all the press
               | on the matter.
               | 
               | You're shifting the goalposts to try to support a point
               | which is irrelevant to what I've been saying.
               | 
               | > You want to claim it wasn't significant which is your
               | opinion but that is not what the actual scientific
               | community in the field (who know more than you) would
               | agree.
               | 
               | It's not significant with respect to commercial nuclear
               | fusion power, which was the entire basis for all the
               | reporting about it.
               | 
               | The idea that "the actual scientific community" would
               | support your position is an unsupported claim that's
               | easily refuted.
               | 
               | For example, Victor Gilinsky, a physicist who previously
               | a commissioner for the US NRC, wrote in "What's fueling
               | the commercial fusion hype?"[1]:
               | 
               | > "Recent White House and Energy Department
               | pronouncements on speeding up the 'commercialization' of
               | fusion energy are so over the top as to make you wonder
               | about the scientific competence in the upper reaches of
               | the government."
               | 
               | That article discusses the NIF experiment among others,
               | highlighting out the discrepancies between the official
               | announcements and what the experiment actual does. It
               | also points out that the experiment "is, in effect, a
               | miniature (secondary) thermonuclear bomb, with the lasers
               | playing the role of the triggering fission reactions
               | (primary)," which helps explain "its lack of promise for
               | civilian use."
               | 
               | There have been plenty of similar criticism from other
               | scientists, including Daniel Jassby previously of
               | Princeton Plasma Physics Lab, and M.V. Ramana at U.
               | British Columbia.
               | 
               | In "Clean Energy or Weapons? What the 'Breakthrough' in
               | Nuclear Fusion Really Means"[2], Ramana wrote, "without
               | the excitement created by these hyped-up statements, it
               | would be impossible to get funded for the decades it
               | takes to plan and build these facilities."
               | 
               | Again, in a "sane, rational, advanced" society, this
               | would not be necessary. And you, and the commenter I
               | originally replied to, would not have had clear
               | misapprehensions about the experiment as a result. In
               | your case, at the very least, you appeared to believe
               | that "ignition" was some fundamental physical phenomenon
               | in this case, which it is not, in the context of the NIF
               | experiment.
               | 
               | > As a fellow scientist
               | 
               | As a scientist, you _should_ be interested in what 's
               | true.
               | 
               | --
               | 
               | [1] https://thebulletin.org/2024/02/whats-fueling-the-
               | commercial...
               | 
               | [2] https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/clean-energy-
               | weapons...
        
         | mikhailfranco wrote:
         | The LLNL fusion result was not a breakthrough. The fusion
         | output was about 1% of the energy input. The exaggerated press
         | release was just a PR ploy to get support for continued DoE
         | funding, which was expiring at the end of 2022.
        
           | orwin wrote:
           | And while we talk about fusion, even when the energy output
           | surpass the energy input and the reaction is stable enough,
           | how to you harness the energy? Because the reaction happen
           | within a vacuum, the only way is to capture expelled neutrons
           | and make electricity from it somehow.
        
             | mikhailfranco wrote:
             | Yes, they forgot that part, so there will be further energy
             | losses (at least 70%).
             | 
             | They also have to up the repetition rate from once a week
             | to at least 1k /s.
             | 
             | Note that ASML lithography machines accurately dilate and
             | irradiate molten tin droplets with lasers at ~ 50k /s.
             | 
             | https://www.asml.com/en/technology/lithography-
             | principles/li...
        
         | jojobas wrote:
         | NIF is first and foremost a thermonuclear weapons research
         | facility. The "breakthrough" you're talking about doesn't bring
         | us an inch closer to fusion power.
        
           | 8bitsrule wrote:
           | I think that a 'breakthrough' would be to realize that
           | harnessing fusion outside of a solar environment is a
           | hopeless dream that, carefully fed, is very good at provoking
           | research grants.
        
         | bckr wrote:
         | Don't worry, we can create a priesthood caste with secret
         | knowledge of technology whose purpose is to guide the human
         | race toward a brighter tomorrow!
         | 
         | Maybe someone could write a foundational science fiction novel
         | about this.
        
           | koolala wrote:
           | Anathem by Neal Stephenson?
        
             | bckr wrote:
             | I'll have to check that one out
        
               | koolala wrote:
               | It's my favorite utopian science book!
        
             | aeonik wrote:
             | Foundation Series by Isaac Asimov
        
         | _s_a_m_ wrote:
         | No they would not. Not all and probably most progresses are not
         | technological. Are you living under a rock?
        
         | exe34 wrote:
         | what are you talking about? the most important thing is to make
         | sure senators use the correct bathroom!
        
       | teleforce wrote:
       | > Yet the technique employed to make the theory useful --
       | renormalization -- repulsed Dirac because he found it
       | mathematically ugly.
       | 
       | Perhaps if he had used quaternion the solution will not be
       | mathematically ugly or can even be beautiful [1].
       | 
       | [1] A quaternion formulation of the Dirac equation:
       | 
       | https://mauritssilvis.nl/research/publications/silvis-rug10....
        
         | elashri wrote:
         | Dirac was not working in vaccum . Klein-Jordan equation was the
         | simplest and the most obvious extension of Schrodinger equation
         | in relativistic manner.
         | 
         | So historically, Dirac was focused on correcting the Klein-
         | Gordon equation, which had issues with negative probabilities
         | and describing electron behavior. His goal was to find a
         | relativistic equation that resolved these problems while
         | maintaining consistency with his own matrix mechanics
         | formulation of quantum mechanics.
         | 
         | By extending his matrix mechanics formalism, Dirac derived an
         | equation that not only addressed the issues with the Klein-
         | Gordon equation but also predicted the existence of antimatter.
         | I would argue that Dirac's approach was consistent with his
         | established framework, and while he found renormalization
         | mathematically unsatisfactory, it does not diminish the
         | validity of his method in deriving the Dirac equation. I doubt
         | he focused on any elegant solutions, he was actually quite
         | happy working with matrix mechanics framework.
        
           | jesuslop wrote:
           | Bohr was a big shot, Nobel prized establishment authority. In
           | Weimberg QFT book he recalls a fragment of Dirac's memoirs:
           | 
           | "I remember once when I was in Copenhagen, that Bohr asked me
           | what I was working on and I told him I was trying to get a
           | satisfactory relativistic theory of the electron, and Bohr
           | said 'But Klein and Gordon have already done that!' That
           | answer first rather disturbed me. Bohr seemed quite satisfied
           | by Klein's solution, but I was not because of the negative
           | probabilities that it led to. I just kept on with it,
           | worrying about getting a theory which would have only
           | positive probabilities."
        
             | phkahler wrote:
             | Is there a relationship between the negative probabilities
             | of Klein and the negative energy of Dirac? Did his
             | formulation just move the problem? If so, does it imply
             | anything? Like are probability and energy related?
        
               | elashri wrote:
               | Klein-Jordan equation does have both problems, negative
               | probabilities and energies. Dirac equation solved
               | negative probabilities and now predicts positive
               | probabilities for both positive and negative energy
               | states. But the negative energies problem still exists
               | and Dirac used different interpenetration to explain them
               | and did not get rid of them (which we knew later that
               | this was the correct things to do). So he came with the
               | famous negative energy solutions interpreted as
               | antiparticles.
        
               | superposeur wrote:
               | It's worth mentioning that, brilliant as Dirac's "sea of
               | filled negative energy states" picture was, no one
               | believes that interpretation now. The Dirac equation is
               | better seen as the _classical equation of motion_ for the
               | Grassmann-valued electron field (just as Maxwell's
               | equations are the classical eom for photon field). There
               | are only positive-energy states (=quantized excitations
               | of the field). I do think popular accounts should begin
               | mentioning this in order not to keep reinforcing the old
               | Dirac sea interpretation.
        
               | codethief wrote:
               | > no one believes that interpretation now
               | 
               | I know of at least one (tenured) person that does, at
               | least to some degree: Felix Fenster at Regensburg
               | University. When I met him years ago, he said taking the
               | Dirac Sea interpretation seriously was what caused him to
               | come with his own program for a theory of quantum
               | gravity, called Causal Fermion Systems[0]. I haven't
               | looked into his theory in detail but I did find a
               | reference to the Dirac sea[1]:
               | 
               | > In order to obtain a causal fermion system, we first
               | have to choose a Hilbert space. The space of negative-
               | energy solutions of the Dirac equation (i.e. the Dirac
               | sea) turns out to be a good choice. [...] As a side
               | remark, it is worth noting that the Dirac sea vacuum is
               | to be seen as an effective model describing a particular
               | minimizing causal fermion system. It is one particular
               | physical system that we can describe as a minimizing
               | causal fermion system. But we should really only think of
               | it as an effective description, in the sense that it
               | describes only the macroscopic structure of spacetime,
               | whereas its microscopic structure on the Planck scale is
               | essentially unknown. [...] The idea of the Dirac Sea did,
               | however, play an important role in the conception of the
               | causal fermion systems framework, and most of the
               | existing literature is written with that point of view in
               | mind. A more detailed motivation for why it is a natural
               | starting point can be found here[2].
               | 
               | [0]: https://causal-fermion-system.com/
               | 
               | [1]: https://causal-fermion-system.com/intro-phys/
               | 
               | [2]: https://causal-fermion-
               | system.com/theory/physics/why-dirac-s...
        
         | cornel_io wrote:
         | That reformulation doesn't let you avoid renormalization, does
         | it?
        
           | terminalbraid wrote:
           | No, it doesn't.
        
         | kelseyfrog wrote:
         | Thank you for posing the quaternion formulation. It inspired me
         | to search for a geometric algebra version of the same equation
         | and was happy to find that it also exists[1].
         | 
         | 1. https://fondationlouisdebroglie.org/AFLB-342/aflb342m679.pdf
        
       | JPLeRouzic wrote:
       | > _Quaternions_
       | 
       | I know nothing of physics, but it seems to me that rotation
       | fingerprints are everywhere in physics. Is this just me or is
       | there something more tangible in this remark?
        
         | Ono-Sendai wrote:
         | It's not just you. Dirac fields are constantly rotating. In
         | fact the solutions are called spinors. (e.g. things that spin).
         | There are a _lot_ of rotations at the quantum level. It 's also
         | why complex numbers show up a lot in q.m.
        
           | ValentinA23 wrote:
           | I've been trying to get an intuitive understanding of why
           | multiplying by e^ix leads to a rotation in the complex plane,
           | without going into Taylor series (too algebraic, not enough
           | geometric). I tried to find a way to calculate the value of e
           | in a rotational setting, maybe there is a way to reinterpret
           | compound interests as compound rotation. Any insight ?
        
             | dboreham wrote:
             | IANAM but I'd go with "it's implicit in how complex numbers
             | are defined". Complex numbers are a thing made up by humans
             | (as are negative numbers), and we got to define i as "up
             | the y-axis". Once you do that, and note that a rotation is
             | therefore cos angle plus i sin angle, add in that
             | e^something is an eigenfuncion of differentiation, and
             | you're pretty much there.
             | 
             | Fwiw I think it's Maclaurin series for this.
             | 
             | Edit: obviously should be j not i.
        
             | empiricus wrote:
             | One possibility: take the unit circle, and a vertical line
             | tangent to the circle at (1,0). Then e^ix takes that line
             | and wraps it around the circle. This
        
             | ColinHayhurst wrote:
             | Complex numbers and (Pauli/Dirac) matrices not required if
             | you use Geometric Algebra. I highly recommend the book by
             | Doran and Lasenby [0], or you can get the details from
             | their papers, notably [1].
             | 
             | [0] Geometric Algebra for Physicists, CUP, 2003
             | 
             | [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0509178
        
               | ValentinA23 wrote:
               | https://deferentialgeometry.org/papers/Doran,%20Lasenby%2
               | 0-%...
               | 
               | page 28, equation 2.36. Thanks a lot I'll take a dive
               | into this
               | 
               | Note: my inquiry was motivated by this:
               | 
               | https://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2014/01/the-fourier-
               | tra...
        
               | ColinHayhurst wrote:
               | p281 for Dirac equation. But I suggest you start at least
               | from the beginning of Chapter 8. Earlier, obviously if
               | you don't know Geometric Algebra. It's worth it; many
               | examples but one is that the four Maxwell equations are
               | expressed as one compact equation with geometric
               | intuition.
        
             | itishappy wrote:
             | Euler's formula is a specific case of the exponential map
             | from Lie theory. This means e^x can be used with all sorts
             | of interesting x types, and it often has surprisingly
             | intuitive behavior! When x is a real number you get
             | continuous growth. When x is a purely imaginary number you
             | get continuous rotation. When x is complex you get
             | continuous growth and rotation. When x is a matrix you get
             | a continuous linear transformation (growth, rotation, and
             | shear). What's the similarity here? Euler's formula treats
             | it's argument as a transformation which gets continuously
             | applied in infinitesimal amounts. This also explains the
             | formula for calculating the value of e:                   e
             | = lim (1 + 1 / n) ^ n where (x -> infinity)
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_map_(Lie_theory)
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_exponential
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O85OWBJ2ayo
        
             | sparky_z wrote:
             | My favorite intuitive explanation was actually written by
             | science fiction author, Greg Egan. It takes the exact
             | approach you're asking for, reinterpreting compound
             | interest in a 2d rotational context on the complex plane,
             | and doesn't use more than high school math:
             | 
             | https://gregegan.net/FOUNDATIONS/04/found04.html#s2
             | 
             | Fig. 7 is the money shot.
        
         | cjfd wrote:
         | Of course. The solutions of the Dirac equations live in space
         | and space has rotation symmetry. These solution have to
         | transform in some way under rotations.
        
         | nimish wrote:
         | Rotations and spin are deeply tied into the geometrical nature
         | of a space. It's not just you. It's core to understanding the
         | nature of matter itself.
         | 
         | Cartan had only just invented spinors as an object in
         | themselves (ignoring clifford) so a lot of the physics stuff
         | was done in parallel or even without the knowledge the
         | mathematicians had.
        
       | gsf_emergency wrote:
       | Looking for possible citations for
       | 
       | > _... renormalization -- repulsed Dirac because he found it
       | mathematically ugly._
       | 
       | I found
       | 
       | https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/375209/dirac-onc...
       | 
       | (2019) for the "Cosmic Galois group" (edited) as well as Anixx's
       | comments/Neumaier's responses
        
       | peter_d_sherman wrote:
       | >"Months later, Schrodinger -- inspired by Louis de Broglie's
       | idea that matter behaves like a wave -- proposed an entirely
       | different, but mathematically equivalent, formulation of particle
       | behavior based on the better-known mathematics of waves."
       | 
       | [...]
       | 
       | More surprising results unfurled when Dirac extended his equation
       | to describe an electron interacting with an electromagnetic
       | field. Experimentalists had confirmed that the electron's
       | intrinsic angular momentum, or spin, was equal to 1/2, but
       | theoreticians couldn't figure out how to properly incorporate it
       | into their theories. With his new equation, Dirac had found,
       | almost as an afterthought, that the spin emerged naturally.
       | 
       | [...]
       | 
       | The Dirac equation was simple and elegant, yet dense with
       | implications. Perhaps its most profound feature was that,
       | 
       |  _instead of producing two components for negative and positive
       | spin states, it produced four: a negative and positive spin state
       | for each of two particles with positive and negative energy
       | states._ "
       | 
       | Related:
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem
        
       | magicalhippo wrote:
       | For those enjoying the history of early quantum mechanics, I've
       | been following Dr. Jorge S. Diaz on YouTube[1].
       | 
       | He has a great video series going on the people, experiments and
       | discoveries that lead to quantum mechanics.
       | 
       | The videos are very accessible, but he does go into some details
       | like various key derivations and such. Well worth watching for
       | casual physics fans IMHO.
       | 
       | [1]: https://www.youtube.com/@jkzero/
        
         | CamperBob2 wrote:
         | Diaz is awesome. For me, he manages to strike just the right
         | balance between making the topic interesting in a
         | historical/human-interest sense and including enough technical
         | detail to cultivate actual insight. Both his Franck-Hertz and
         | Stern-Gerlach videos are the best I've run across on YouTube
         | (and I see the latter has a part 2 now, so that'll be next on
         | my watchlist.)
         | 
         | Hugely underrated YouTuber.
        
           | itishappy wrote:
           | I also just love his energy. He's unapologetically excited
           | about the stuff that excites him, and even if I don't share
           | all his interest, it makes his videos an absolute joy to
           | watch.
        
       | NoOn3 wrote:
       | I very like this playlist
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLfFWXUNJ_I It's good
       | introduction in quantum mechanics with minimum posible math. It's
       | on Russian but as I see It has English subtitles.
        
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