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The Impact of Jungle Music in 90s Video Game Development
Author : atan2
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Date : 2024-11-13 18:43 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| MrAlex94 wrote:
| Related to this is the Buck Bumble[1] theme song[2]:
|
| > "That's the whole point of it, we didn't want to do sort of
| boring techno stuff as well, or jungle, so we picked speed
| garage, it's funkier than house and garage."[3]
|
| [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Bumble
|
| [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8FQ-N0zb2U)
|
| [3]: https://archive.org/details/64-magazine-15/page/n39/mode/1up
| egypturnash wrote:
| this is fucking hilarious
| polishdude20 wrote:
| When I read jungle music I totally thought about Diddy Kong
| Racing or the Donkey King games for SNES.
| josteink wrote:
| Nah. It's more in the direction of whatever this is:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isiVdlz8bDY
|
| It's educational, reference real events and you may have a
| laugh at the same time ;)
| itishappy wrote:
| This is the video I cam here to see. This guy's a wizard.
| Here's two of my other favs (the second is more my speed, but
| the first is more fun):
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqpa418gcKc
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDKpQQ4NoNA
| toast0 wrote:
| If we're sharing jungle music videos... here's my favorite
| recent release.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1xneKsFArY
| Bartkusa wrote:
| I totally thought about Tetrisphere on N64:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRMN7GzZ3ic&list=PLE0926B068...
| bliblablub4 wrote:
| Donkey Kong is peak jungle music (besides other music types
| (which is basically all of them)). Sometimes I imagine that
| when the first jungle evolved, it did so because it anticipated
| that Donkey Kong will eventually be created. As something
| inevitable. And so is the ocean, the tundra, pretty much
| everything. Sounds unlikely? Listen to the Soundtrack und think
| again. Something so beautiful, so magnificent, it's like the
| opus magnum of some higher being. Something for us to ponder
| about, to marvel at. Just like life itself.
| austinallegro wrote:
| Wicked! Wicked! Jungle is massive!
|
| https://youtu.be/O7TklQTeuSE
| cut3 wrote:
| in cred ible
| imp0cat wrote:
| Oh, care for a trip down the memory lane? :)
|
| https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5JibYKhC4GaAZXoDypqyAm
| ahartmetz wrote:
| I believe it's "Junglist massive" with massive ~= crowd ...or
| is that intentional with Ali G's spelling abilities...
| gustavopezzi wrote:
| Author here. Thanks for sharing the blog post on HN; it was a
| nice surprise to see it in the first page.
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| cool to see ace combat 2 in there cause i love bullet hell
| games. was wild trying it on MAME instead of an arcade cabinet,
| hooked up to a subwoofer and realizing what genre it was cause
| your typical cabinet doesn't go loud enough to hear like half
| the song in the sub bass
|
| also funny how you can beat the game as a dolphin flying a
| plane haha
| mason55 wrote:
| FYI you have a typo in there. You wrote "JTL Bukem" but it
| should be "LTJ Bukem". LTJ being short for "Long Time Junglist"
| jsheard wrote:
| Also "Examples of popular drum brakes" should be "breaks".
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| I've been having a lot of fun learning trackers as a little hobby
| in the past year with a cheap portable midi keyboard and some
| samples to play around with. There's just so many resources to
| learn from these days on youtube which didn't exist 5-10 years
| ago and I guarantee you if you have the time for it you can go
| from downloading renoise and a bunch of samples to bumping out
| some songs within a week or two of learning. There's also a lot
| to be said for the kind of sound you get out of older hardware,
| you have kids who are like 20 years old picking up these things
| and doing shit like emulating the DSP in there to create a VST
| for use on modern systems for those who don't want to drop a
| bunch of money on getting an amiga 500 shipped to their door [1],
| but you also have people pretty much just doing that and busting
| out octamed or protracker. Lots of cool clips out there [2]. If
| anyone is looking to have some fun with all this I suggest bizzy
| b's channel [3], the 'groovin in g' channel [4], as well as
| stranjah's channel on youtube [5]
|
| [1] https://potenzadsp.com/plugins/amigo/
|
| [2] https://www.instagram.com/p/C0Pf1bNPgWy/?hl=en
|
| [3] https://www.youtube.com/@TheBizzyBScience
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| [4] https://www.youtube.com/@groovining
|
| [5] https://www.youtube.com/@STRANJAH
| buildsjets wrote:
| It's ruff in the jungle business. RIP Keith.
| the__alchemist wrote:
| I didn't know this genre was a thing. I'm hooked!
| zolland wrote:
| here are my favorites showing up in gameplay footage:
|
| Soul of the Samurai:
| https://youtu.be/JAyu7o_t_Ys?si=6RvvXtpsLyxXndCu&t=7190
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| Ace Combat 2:
| https://youtu.be/_ylkb5td5K0?si=LJw4bf3JsDilDEnf&t=114
| louthy wrote:
| If anyone's interested and wants to hear more, I have a mix of
| 92/93 era Jungle [1]
|
| Some rough mixes here and there (especially the first one)
| because it was live from a NYE event. But it suits the style of
| music, that era was so raw and fresh, the future was being
| invented right there! Very happy days :)
|
| 1) DJ SS - Intro
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| 2) Higher Sense - Cold Fresh Air
|
| 3) Deep Blue - The Helicopter Tune
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| 4) Roni Size - Time Stretch (93 Mix)
|
| 5) DMS & The Boneman X - Sweet Vibrations
|
| 6) Engineers Without Fears - Spiritual Aura
|
| 7) Omni Trio - Soul Promenade
|
| 8) Codename John - Kindred
|
| 9) Brainkillers - Screwface
|
| 10) Dubtronix - Fantasy (Remix)
|
| 11) M-Beat - Incredible
|
| 12) DJ Rap - Your Mind (Gimp/Steve Mix)
|
| 13) Asend & Ultravibe - What Kind Of World
|
| 14) LTJ Bukem - Horizons
|
| 15) Bruck Wild - Silent Dub
|
| [1] https://on.soundcloud.com/WjQVyJRfYMyQLP3f8
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| Nice selection!
|
| One of the things I noticed with a bunch of the younger
| producers is that they make really nice tunes but they don't
| bother with the whole intro/outro thing so there's no buffer on
| either end of the track to mix the thing unless you go add them
| yourself before even attempting to get them in with a bunch of
| older choons meant for mixing. like this is great [1], but 1:34
| minutes lmao what? On the other hand people who have been at it
| since the very early days are still quietly releasing alot,
| here's some secret dillinja cuts [2]
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M77SxLGAxWg
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| [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfyHx7SCn3g
| bbbambambam wrote:
| True,but more modern mixing equipment has made loops a lot
| easier so I just tend to make my own intros in the mix
| blacksignal wrote:
| iirc helicopter tune was in midnight club 3. jungle makes for
| great racing music
|
| I didn't expect a jungle setlist while browsing HN -- bless
| louthy wrote:
| > I didn't expect a jungle setlist while browsing HN
|
| I didn't ever expect to post one! :D
| trollied wrote:
| I'm going to see Bukem on Saturday, really looking forward to
| it!
| miek wrote:
| Nice!! It's too bad MC Conrad died this year, they were
| killer together.
| E39M5S62 wrote:
| Damn! The Progression Session albums, the third one in
| particular, are absolutely amazing. When the album rolls in
| to Track #2, 'Big Bud - Pure', with him and DRS ... it's
| just magical.
| alexpatin wrote:
| only had the chance to see him once before. he is one of my
| favorites. his cosmic twilight sets from tipper and friends
| events are killer.
| austinallegro wrote:
| I'll just leave this here...
|
| https://youtu.be/9hJ4OROIvxY
|
| ...and as a bonus, have this 'n all...
|
| https://youtu.be/HImPRflyyJk
|
| ...and as it's a Wednesday, have this as a freebie:
|
| https://youtu.be/M_tKjqUK5lM
| dylan604 wrote:
| > that era was so raw and fresh, the future was being invented
| right there! Very happy days
|
| I've been told by several Gen-Z that they've never been to a
| "rave", and I feel sorry for them. In my town, we had quite the
| underground scene, but then times changed and it is so much
| smaller now. Now, "kids" just call it all EDM instead of the
| specific genre that we know and love.
| louthy wrote:
| There's still plenty of fresh underground music and the
| 'kids' are doing just fine. Yeah there's loads of mainstream
| garbage out there, but there always was. The main difference
| is that this stuff was being invented, whereas most
| electronic music now is derived from those early 90s invented
| genres, but even saying that there's still plenty of
| creativity.
|
| There's a night in London called Cartulis (which is usually
| at Fold), when I go there it feels very much like the early
| rave scene to me (this is just one example, of course). I
| think there's a tendency when we get older to not be as
| exposed to the bubbling undercurrent of music, so it's easy
| to just say "it's not as good as it used to be", but that
| would be a mistake imho. It's there if you look for it.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I didn't intend someone taking away from that no fresh
| music was being made. I simply said that the parties of old
| are no longer happening, so that experience isn't available
| to them.
|
| I'm constantly listening to new music, and I've come up
| with lots of new tracks that will make a helluva set list,
| one day. Problem I have is only owning 1200s, and none of
| the gear to let those drive digital files. My discretionary
| funds for gear has evolved into other things so buying the
| right equipment gets pushed lower on the priority list
| pfannkuchen wrote:
| Was it being invented or discovered?
|
| I feel like with each new wave of music technology, people
| basically search the space for a while until the fruitful
| sub spaces are identified.
|
| The novelty of the exploration is what is there the first
| time and not there in the future. You don't know what's
| going to sound good until someone happens to bump into it.
| You get surprises.
| dylan604 wrote:
| hey, you got your drum-n-bass in my trance!
|
| no, you got your trance in my drum-n-bass.
|
| that new wave of technology meant that anyone with access
| to warez could create music for $0 instead of the
| thousands on buying synths and samplers. no more renting
| a truck to haul that gear to a gig; now it's just a
| laptop and/or tablet. new choons level achieved
| morkalork wrote:
| Gentrification and moral panic killed warehouse parties and
| raves.
| dylan604 wrote:
| the local police here formed a Rave Task Force. it became
| very effective, and pretty much killed the scene. it got to
| the point where the cops would show up as the guys were
| unloading the PA from the truck. lots of cat and mouse
| games followed on trying to get past the cops. promoters
| even started lining up alternate locations to relocate if
| something got shut down. then the cops started threatening
| to use crack house laws to arrest the promoters for
| providing a place for drugs to be used. we don't have clubs
| to speak of and mainly just bars. we tried doing events at
| bars, but having to shut down at 2am is just a joke.
| acka wrote:
| OP, the link you provided keeps redirecting me to the Google
| Play store to install the SoundCloud app, no matter what
| browser I use to open it. Could you please create a link which
| stays on the SoundCloud website? Not everyone wants to use apps
| on mobile just because some service wants to force you to use
| them.
| louthy wrote:
| I can't edit it, so here's a direct site link:
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| https://soundcloud.com/paullouth/paul-louth-jungle-mix-
| nye-2...
| acka wrote:
| Thank you very much!
| sltkr wrote:
| In general please don't use Soundcloud to share music. It's
| complete shit. It doesn't even allow seeking unless you
| register for an account. At least Youtube is borderline
| usable without signing in.
| noman-land wrote:
| Never clicked a link faster. OG jungle is something special.
| bloopernova wrote:
| Oh hell yes, thank you for this.
| bitschubser_ wrote:
| Uhhh throwback to simpler times <3 I loved the scene in Basel
| back in the days
|
| For the adventurous Ishkur also has a nice opinionated guide
| through the history of electronic music with much of its facets:
| https://music.ishkur.com/
| imp0cat wrote:
| Let's not forget The Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit and High Stakes
| (both a wonderful mixtures of rock and electronic music).
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akf4vQs7R9A&list=PLCDB3A4909...
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7dQELIwP0U&list=PLD48C6CD40...
| fuhsnn wrote:
| Before pre-rendering took over, game soundtracks were basically
| tracker mods, beautiful era.
| dm319 wrote:
| If anyone wants to see a continuation of this subculture, have a
| look at this:
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| https://youtu.be/V_akDC1ztXQ?si=wxMOxlfvaN4IRSnw
|
| and this:
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| https://youtu.be/iD9xk3SDSYc?si=KD5TvSg4UDMb-sh8
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| People making entire mixes with two amiga 500s between a mixer
| and entirely new tracks
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2k9eMuRwGw
| VyseofArcadia wrote:
| I don't know much about Jungle music, but I do know a lot about
| video games, and I want to shout out the Neo Geo game Shock
| Troopers. One of the best top down run and gun games ever made,
| and I'm told it has a Jungle/DnB soundtrack.
| spacechild1 wrote:
| Another game with a cool jungle soundtrack is "Trick'n
| Snowboarder". The game itself is unremarkable, but I still
| remember the music to this day. For example, check out
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=38yTPVGqj8c&t=369s or
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=38yTPVGqj8c&t=1477s
| pkkkzip wrote:
| not related but lot of 90s snowboarding games had underrated
| soundtracks
|
| cool boarders 2 come to mind
| littlestripes wrote:
| excellent write-up! always loved this sound to death. great for
| the coding flow states too.
| trollied wrote:
| We can't accept drum and bass we need jungle I'm afraid.
| griffzhowl wrote:
| amen, brother
| sceadu wrote:
| Not sure if you're making a jungle Brothers reference to Amen
| break reference :)
| petecooper wrote:
| Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecl2kZBnBnY
| yieldcrv wrote:
| this makes me day
| Kye wrote:
| Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isiVdlz8bDY
| sundarurfriend wrote:
| Got me started on watching University Challenge, and now Cosmic
| Pumpkin is one of my very few "must watch new videos right
| away" subscriptions on YouTube.
| 1986 wrote:
| I have to recommend digging into the story behind the person
| who used to upload UC episodes to YouTube before Cosmic
| Pumpkin, and the reason that they stopped uploading. Google
| "Dave Garda", I don't think anyone has done an authoritative
| writeup but it's a wild one.
| BlandDuck wrote:
| "We can't accept drum and bass we need jungle I'm afraid" ;)
| rtuin wrote:
| What a nice writeup. I've listened to jungle and related styles
| on and off over the years but I wasn't aware the music had played
| such a big role in 90's game music!
| tailsdog wrote:
| GTA III MSX FM
| sockbot wrote:
| One of the best sound tracks ever is Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike,
| heavily featuring jungle.
| petecooper wrote:
| Pete Cannon on jungle production techniques:
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDn7ZDcx9w0
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| To me there is/was a natural connection between electronic music
| and game development just by the sheer involvement with
| _technology_. And jungle just happened to be very popular and
| going thru some major grassroots scene development around the
| same time. Personally, alongside earlier exposure to popular
| /underground dance music, my deeper exposure to electronic music
| came from tracker music and the demoscene which of course went
| hand in hand with developments in the game industry.
| dylan604 wrote:
| It's also just a natural thing for a game to make
| bleeps/bloops/whoomps/booms vs storing raw audio type data.
| dpc050505 wrote:
| I've been playing a bit of 3d pinball space cadet last week
| and I kept thinking how the game sounds could fit wonderfully
| into breakcore and acid tekno tracks.
| Modified3019 wrote:
| There was a game called "SILENT THUNDER: A-10 TANK KILLER II" my
| father had in his collection that I'd ruffle through as a kid.
|
| While the gameplay (brutal flight sim) wasn't that compelling to
| child me, it had a full soundtrack made of multiple genres that
| lives in my brain to this day, especially "Monk's revenge". In
| fact, I think it was setup so that you could put the disk in a CD
| player and have it play as an audio disk. No idea if any of it
| counts as "jungle", but it's very much 90's electronic game
| music.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9c6PPlkvBE&list=PLc3TVNLOqs...
| contingencies wrote:
| 90's games + jungle = obligatory mention of _Jill of the Jungle_
| (1992).
|
| https://www.playdosgames.com/online/jill-of-the-jungle/
| Thaxll wrote:
| Noclip has an amazing documentary about Wipeout 2097 music:
| https://youtu.be/-nwWpQJFGp8?si=f96-_G3bBqmGEP_c
| myself248 wrote:
| Ah, I'm glad the demoscene gets a mention. One does not make
| music on a computer in the 90s without at least some, or
| possibly a whole truckload of, influence from the demoscene.
| comprev wrote:
| GTA + Moving Shadow record label... legendary for showcasing d&b
| to a wider audience.
|
| https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Moving_Shadow
|
| For those interested I can highly recommend the "Moving Shadow
| Sampler Series" mix anthology [0]
|
| [0] https://www.discogs.com/label/396717-Movingshadow-Sampler-
| Se...
| magicalhippo wrote:
| I recall the Wipeout 2097 soundtrack[1] blew me away as a kid.
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| I had heard some techno and eurodance was popular at the time,
| but the sounds coming out of the speaker at the store where the
| demo ran was on another level.
|
| Bought the CD and listen to it every now and then, and Orbital's
| Petrol track is still up there on my top 100 list.
|
| There was something raw, and edge, that seems lost in so much
| electronic music these days.
|
| [1]: https://www.discogs.com/release/6385-Various-
| Wipeout-2097-Th...
| OliveMate wrote:
| I can't accept Drum and Bass, we need Jungle I'm afraid.
|
| Genuinely glad I got to experience so much of it growing up with
| a PS1 and the genre's stuck with me. If you want to focus on
| listening or have some soothing background noise, it's perfect,
| versatile.
|
| While not all jungle, shouout to PS1 racing games for their
| killer soundtracks. The glorified mixtape of Gran Turismo 2 (all
| versions!), Colin Mcrae Rally's acid beats, everything in Ridge
| Racer. Really feels like vidya soundtracks peaked there.
| vehemenz wrote:
| If you like this kind of music--and even the late 90s/early 00s
| aesthetic--check out Zorrovian's YouTube channel for some nice
| playlists.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/@zorrovian
| Buttons840 wrote:
| I've recently been into game development, and I needed music
| which lead me to discovering synthesizers--I was hooked the first
| time I saw so many buttons, knobs, and flashing lights--and now
| I've gone off on a huge tangent and am studying music theory
| instead of making my game. Oh well, it's all for fun.
|
| Does HN have any advice on how to get started with synthesizers,
| with an eye towards creating a game soundtrack?
| dakna wrote:
| I don't have any advice on how to get started, but please take
| a look at one of the legends of the 8/16-bit era:
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huelsbeck
|
| Maybe I'm nostalgic, but these tunes were amazing.
| https://youtu.be/7dJrsmt9BOY
|
| Oh, and if you haven't invested 30 minutes of your remaining
| lifetime listening to Orbital - The Box (Full Version) you are
| missing a masterpiece.
|
| Here is Orbital's Paul Hartnoll playing with his gear:
|
| https://youtu.be/VjlWypTclec
| dfxm12 wrote:
| I remember Gran Turismo well. The Quest Mode theme from Tobal no.
| 1 goes unmentioned. It's just a short break looped over and over
| again. After playing this game, you realize if you like jungle or
| not.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1mC6K5kqZU
| empath75 wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ9QHGaxdig
|
| Tempest 2000 was probably more acid house influenced, but there
| was also a lot of early breakbeat hardcore/jungle tunes in there
| too.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| Was hoping this was that kind of jungle. :D
|
| Aka 'Some dnb tracks' funk goes to 10... ours goes to 11' jungle
| xipix wrote:
| > Fun fact: Unlicensed stations began streaming jungle music from
| onboard ships off the coast of Britain, hence the expression
| "pirate radios."
|
| Didn't pirate radio broadcast from boats predate Jungle by about
| 20 years?
| brirec wrote:
| The article mentions Bomberman on the Nintendo 64, but they made
| a mistake -- there were actually 4 different Bomberman games on
| the Nintendo 64, and the one featuring Jungle music is Bomberman
| Hero, not the one whose box art they used (Bomberman 64).
| AirMax98 wrote:
| A bit slept on, but Extreme G 2 soundtrack has a '96-97 Source
| Direct vibe to it.
| samirsd wrote:
| self-plug: i built a streaming platform devoted to 90s jungle
| deep cuts called .mixtape -- good curated selection on there
| https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mixtape/id1391354414
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