[HN Gopher] Covering the Supreme Court and the Judiciary in (Mos...
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       Covering the Supreme Court and the Judiciary in (Mostly) Plain
       English
        
       Author : everybodyknows
       Score  : 69 points
       Date   : 2024-11-13 16:27 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | f1shy wrote:
       | There are some projects around the world to force lawyers to
       | write in "normal" language. (Which BTW, is how it should be, as
       | we should be able to fully understand the laws that can cost
       | money or send us to jail).
       | 
       | Off topic: does somebody have some update on any such a project?
       | Would be great news to see some important country taking action
       | into it.
        
         | macintux wrote:
         | I'll freely admit to complete ignorance, but this seems like a
         | bad idea.
         | 
         | Much like we use well-defined but somewhat arcane terminology
         | to talk about computers, because precision is important, I'm
         | skeptical about the implications of "plain" language in laws.
         | 
         | Precision and comprehensibility to an uneducated person seem
         | like they would always be at odds.
        
           | cowpig wrote:
           | To add to this, language models are now quite good at
           | explaining legalese, so that limits the positive impact of
           | pushing for plainer language.
        
           | jandrese wrote:
           | The laws are basically jargon. There is a good reason behind
           | the wording, it rests on centuries of case law of people
           | hammering out exactly what each work or phrase means exactly,
           | but it does add a layer of obfuscation for the layman. The
           | law is a huge machine, and the laws are the code. Could it be
           | better? Definitely. Lots of decisions were made that were a
           | good idea at the time but are now pain points, but the system
           | is too big to make systematic changes. You have to work
           | within the framework.
        
             | vlovich123 wrote:
             | > the system is too big to make systematic changes
             | 
             | This seems like a flawed argument to me that if applied
             | would see technology stagnating. The reason it's flawed is
             | the assumption that the system is at a fixed max size.
             | However, if it's growing quickly, you can always come up
             | with new systemic ways of doing things that are divorced
             | from the past and over time most of the things are done the
             | new way. You can even refactor/replace the old stuff over
             | time. Law isn't quite like code which is where this analogy
             | breaks down a bit but something to think about.
        
               | nradov wrote:
               | In a common law system, like what we use in the USA and
               | most of the Anglosphere, it is impossible to divorce from
               | the past.
        
         | NoboruWataya wrote:
         | I would rather laws continue to be written with precision and
         | for the government to have an information portal describing the
         | relevant legal obligations in plain language. Forcing laws
         | themselves to be written in plain language is a recipe for
         | disaster. Imagine the tax code was subject to that constraint,
         | for example. Corporations would have a field day finding
         | loopholes.
         | 
         | Software can also have a huge impact on our lives and I don't
         | think anyone would insist that software must be written so as
         | to be easily understood by people who are not software
         | developers.
        
           | josefritzishere wrote:
           | As someone who works with legal language regularly, the
           | notion that it's designed for clarity is hilarious. It's
           | often constructed deliberately to obsfucate its purpose.
           | Plain clear language with defined terms is legally binding
           | and difficult to circumvent.
        
             | graypegg wrote:
             | I can understand that, but I don't know if legal texts
             | would be more explicit given simpler language. You can bake
             | ambiguity into any text you want. "Simple english" will
             | naturally just have less words than legalese, since that's
             | the thing people find so daunting about it. Doesn't that
             | mean that either A) words will have multiple overlapping
             | meanings or B) entire phrases will have to be used to
             | explain what is normally 1 word? Either case leaves a lot
             | of room for "offensive lawyering".
             | 
             | Defined legal terms is just what we have now, but starting
             | over.
        
             | NoboruWataya wrote:
             | I specifically said precision and not clarity, which is not
             | the same. The thing is, though, that legal language is not
             | "designed" for anything, in fact it is not "designed" at
             | all.
             | 
             | As for being constructed deliberately to obfuscate its
             | purpose, all I can say is that that's not my experience and
             | it seems like a pretty self-defeating aim to me. For legal
             | language to have any value at all, you have to be
             | reasonably certain that a court would give effect to your
             | intended meaning, and the more you obfuscate your
             | intentions, the bigger the risk that it will be construed
             | in an unintended way by a court.
             | 
             | > Plain clear language with defined terms is legally
             | binding and difficult to circumvent.
             | 
             | As soon as you introduce defined terms, it is instantly
             | less plain and less clear.
        
         | graypegg wrote:
         | I think legalize is the way it is because it requires
         | precision. A lot of the words and phrases that show up in legal
         | documents don't have an easy definition because they're
         | litigated terms. "fair use" isn't just "a justified use of some
         | media", it's a specific pointer that points at a corpus of laws
         | and decisions over decades and decades.
         | 
         | We generally want to be able to assume that the legal system
         | makes similar decisions given similar situations, but the world
         | doesn't hand it precise duplicates. Words that point at
         | specific facts of a situation from the past are always going to
         | be complex. It's not just for describing the situation
         | narratively, it's also got to communicate specific categories
         | of facts. How would we simply communicate that we (western
         | legal tradition for example) care about the fact a murder was
         | planned. What is planning? Is planning a murder a crime, and if
         | not, why does it make the crime of murder worse? "Mens Rea"
         | gives us a pointer to refer to the non-criminal act of having
         | the intention to commit a crime. That's pretty useful,
         | especially when you can CMD+F for that over centuries of people
         | hashing out each case where the mental state of the accused
         | mattered.
         | 
         | I do think there's a case for simplified explanations of legal
         | text, but the source document should probably remain the "real"
         | document.
        
           | wizzwizz4 wrote:
           | You absolutely _can_ get precision and plain language at the
           | same time. See, for example, the English text of the GDPR.
           | 
           | The ideal situation is that we only need about half an hour
           | of instruction (saying things much like your second
           | paragraph) before a literate amateur can interpret most laws
           | correctly. That instruction can then be given in schools: it
           | could be lumped in along with all the other miscellanea
           | ("here's how to vote", basic financial literacy, sex-ed,
           | etc).
        
         | lelandfe wrote:
         | Ooh, this is something boring few people know about! There have
         | been _many_ efforts across the US government to simplify the
         | language used in documents. Nixon, Clinton, and Obama all
         | worked on this. Obama actually got a group organized around
         | this, and there are now progress reports available on how the
         | US is doing: https://www.doi.gov/plainlanguage
         | 
         | And a dedicated website for it, with examples useful for many:
         | https://www.plainlanguage.gov/
         | 
         | Check out this Clinton era "No Gobbledygook Award" recipient:
         | https://www.plainlanguage.gov/examples/awards/award-11/
        
         | TRiG_Ireland wrote:
         | In a common law system, the benefit of the arcane language is
         | that it's been tested in court before, so it has a definite
         | meaning. In that sense, it's actually "clear", even if it's
         | pretty obscure to the layman. By contrast, novel wording has
         | not been tested in previous cases, so no matter how clearly it
         | might be written, there's a degree of uncertainty. A term
         | doesn't have a definite legal meaning until a judge has made a
         | ruling on it. That's why contracts and wills, particularly,
         | often use weird phrasing.
        
       | i_k_k wrote:
       | It's worth mentioning that while some parts of law can be really
       | arcane (parents, terms of service, etc.), Supreme Court decisions
       | are generally pretty readable.
        
         | tiahura wrote:
         | Mostly agree about Constitutional cases. Some of the less sexy
         | statutory construction cases are written for a smaller
         | audience, and even as a lawyer, if you don't practice in that
         | field, they can be pretty opaque.
        
           | Matticus_Rex wrote:
           | Ugh, and the range of clarity from judge to judge is another
           | big factor.
        
             | returningfory2 wrote:
             | Interesting! How do you rate the different SCOTUS justices
             | in terms of clarity?
        
               | Matticus_Rex wrote:
               | I only read the big cases since law school, so take this
               | with a grain of salt -- I've only read one or two KBJ
               | decisions and a handful from Kavanaugh and ACB.
               | 
               | In terms of legal clarity alone, Gorsuch and then Kagan
               | are ahead of the pack by some margin, followed at some
               | distance by Roberts and ACB. Sotomayor is great _as a
               | writer_ , but not in terms of legal clarity. I think
               | Thomas is middle-of-the-pack, and I think he gets
               | underrated in this regard because people dislike his
               | opinions. Again, experience of Kavanaugh and KBJ's
               | writing is limited, but they're at least not far behind
               | the pack here.
               | 
               | Alito stands alone as the only one I'd say is bad for a
               | Supreme Court justice. And that's relative, so it doesn't
               | mean he's awful, but I do actively avoid his writing.
               | 
               | The variance gets way higher the further from SCOTUS you
               | go. At the state level it's basically roulette.
        
               | dogmayor wrote:
               | I'd agree with this. Kagan is the best overall, Roberts
               | is up there when he wants to be and isn't forcing it, and
               | yes Thomas writes fairly well but what he writes is
               | abysmal.
               | 
               | Alito is hands down the worst writer and one of the worst
               | to ever sit on the court. He's not the brightest but
               | thinks he's a savant and writes with a smugness and
               | conceit that drips off the page on top of being as
               | disingenuous as they come. Reading anything he writes is
               | torture.
        
         | lelandfe wrote:
         | Agreed! And the typography is perfect. I've enjoyed bypassing
         | all the angles and bias of coverage and just reading the
         | majority decision PDFs in full. As a layperson the
         | _implications_ of phrases do escape me, though. SCOTUS can get
         | awfully terse.
        
           | Matticus_Rex wrote:
           | Late in law school, I ended up writing a study guide for a
           | multi-day Constitutional Law seminar for non-lawyers, and
           | found that unpacking all of the legal turns of phrase and
           | items that would carry huge implications when read by lawyers
           | took between 3x and 15x the space of whatever segment I was
           | unpacking, with an average around 7.5x-8x. And according to
           | feedback that still ended up being a bit dense for most
           | readers. Worst volunteer gig I've ever agreed to!
        
           | kashunstva wrote:
           | > just reading the majority decision PDFs in full
           | 
           | The dissenting opinions are also quite enlightening because
           | they point out weaknesses in the majority and concurring
           | opinions that might not be apparent to those of us outside
           | the field.
        
             | psunavy03 wrote:
             | Justices deliberately write their dissents in the hope that
             | people will read them, be persuaded, and then those will
             | eventually become established law. Ginsburg and Scalia were
             | masters of this.
        
         | vundercind wrote:
         | Just be sure to double-check any "facts" they cite before
         | taking them as true. Because they, uh, kinda don't. Check them,
         | that is.
        
           | Matticus_Rex wrote:
           | By the time you see a published SCOTUS decision clerks have
           | definitely checked all citations. The problem is that
           | occasionally the source or interpretation is
           | questionable/contentious.
        
             | vundercind wrote:
             | Clerks have much more limited time than one might think,
             | and research is basically an added-on function that they
             | never staffed for once courts started engaging in it.
             | 
             | "Facts" from amicus briefs make it in all the time without
             | an apparent attempt at verification.
             | 
             | Perhaps they do check and then ignore their findings, but
             | why bother with that?
        
             | aaronbrethorst wrote:
             | Except when they haven't:
             | https://newrepublic.com/article/183285/supreme-court-
             | chevron...
             | 
             | There's something very funny and simultaneously chilling
             | about a majority opinion authored by Gorsuch[1] who has
             | said "[o]nly the written word is the law" [1] totally
             | mixing up laughing gas and a toxic pollutant emitted by
             | cars.
             | 
             | [1] I know the clerks actually write them, HN pedants.
             | 
             | [2] https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/06/symposium-the-
             | triumph-of-...
        
           | throwup238 wrote:
           | Double check _everything_ : https://www.forbes.com/sites/alis
           | ondurkee/2024/06/28/supreme...
           | 
           | The Justices have made some bone headed mistakes, especially
           | this last crop.
        
           | cvoss wrote:
           | You may be referring to the court's (and other appellate
           | courts') long-standing practice of not second guessing a
           | trial court's finding of what did or didn't happen, unless a
           | "clear error" is demonstrated to have been committed by the
           | trial court.
           | 
           | SCOTUS decisions and opinions, therefore, should not be
           | construed as to concur with the trial court about what
           | actually happened. They take it as granted that those things
           | occurred, and provide the best legal resolution they can
           | under those assumptions. The cases they hear aren't about
           | determining "who did what". That's done and settled usually.
           | They are about "what now?"
        
             | vundercind wrote:
             | I mean that they make errors in statement of fact
             | supporting their rulings and, worse, incorporate those
             | facts into their ruling in material ways.
             | 
             | Say the Supreme Court majority writes, as guidance to lower
             | courts, that interpretation of a certain amendment should
             | feature consideration of laws enacted early in the
             | country's history, and before its founding. They further
             | write that for the specific question before them, the total
             | absence of similar laws in that history means they must
             | rule a certain law unconstitutional.
             | 
             | Further suppose _they were simply factually incorrect_ to
             | the point that such laws were in fact _common_ and are very
             | easy to find, if you look like _at all_.
             | 
             | Now what? If you apply _their_ guidance on how to analyze
             | these questions, you'd have to reverse their ruling on laws
             | similar to the one they struck down, should they come
             | before you. But they ruled that specific one
             | unconstitutional... but their ruling was _contrary_ to the
             | guidance they gave.
             | 
             | So we end up tied in a bit of a knot. Had these facts been
             | argued rather than pulled out of some damn amicus brief
             | without examination, perhaps the government would have
             | presented a large pile of examples to rebut the simply-
             | false claim that no similar laws existed in the country's
             | early history. But the court injected these "facts" as a
             | key part of their reasoning when writing their decision,
             | instead. Would it have changed the outcome? No. Would it,
             | perhaps, have made it too embarrassing even for these
             | clowns, to include that particular bit in their ruling?
             | Maybe! And future lower court cases might take a different
             | course, as a result.
             | 
             | [EDIT] The take-away for the casual reader of Supreme Court
             | opinions, then, is that if they write something like "no
             | examples of such laws exist until [YEAR]" don't be
             | surprised if that turns out to be hilariously wrong. A
             | "fact" making it into a Supreme Court opinion is not a
             | strong indication the fact is... an actual fact. Their
             | opinions are far less well-researched than one might
             | suppose, emphasis on _far_ , it's not that they're just
             | imperfect like any people, their fact checking is outright
             | poor by any standards.
        
               | paulryanrogers wrote:
               | Won't someone think of the bump stock manufacturers?!
        
               | vundercind wrote:
               | I was making a barely-veiled reference to Bruen,
               | actually. "Can cities require demonstration of need, to
               | carry firearms?"
               | 
               | The bump stock ruling's stupidity had more to do with
               | resting entirely on silly, plainly-motivated reasoning
               | than its relying on objectively wrong "facts".
               | 
               | Incidentally, I was wrong about it mattering whether it
               | was argued: the historical evidence was argued, and the
               | majority simply went "uhhhh those many examples don't
               | count, because I don't want them to". What's been turned
               | up since the case is examples that fit the much narrower
               | criteria they said would have been needed (neatly carved
               | out to evade the provided examples) but positively
               | asserted don't exist (to any notable degree), in such
               | volume that it's beyond clear that restricting carry of
               | firearms in towns on a need-basis was common throughout
               | the country's history, and not just in the West (their
               | reasoning for rejecting those examples, I shit you not,
               | was "um, those don't count because they're from one area,
               | never mind it's a giant area"--if it's starting to look
               | like they were playing Calvinball with that ruling, it's
               | because that's exactly what they were doing)
        
               | hnfong wrote:
               | I think you're using too many suppositions.
               | 
               | Do you have an actual example? Or two since you're using
               | plurals?
        
               | UncleMeat wrote:
               | FEC v. Ted Cruz for Senate is a great example of a case
               | where the majority says "we don't see examples of X"
               | while the dissent cites a big list of X.
               | 
               | Heller is also a famous case where basically every
               | historian (as well as the defense) points out clearly
               | that Scalia's interpretation just isn't the original
               | understanding of the text.
        
               | vundercind wrote:
               | My specific example is just Bruen with the serial numbers
               | filed off.
               | 
               | Factual errors are downright common (a Google will turn
               | up many efforts at fact-checking the "facts" in Supreme
               | Court opinions) and aren't a new problem, dating back
               | basically forever.
               | 
               | One key problem is that they simply don't have the
               | resources to check all their facts. Their sources of
               | facts are often amicus briefs from interest groups and
               | specialized court-lobbyists, drawn from large piles and
               | quickly skimmed for relevance by overworked early-20s law
               | clerks. It would be surprising if they _didn 't_ get
               | things wrong all the time. They do--luckily, a lot of
               | times, it barely matters, but sometimes they get facts
               | wrong that were central to their opinion.
               | 
               | The point is, don't believe a "fact" you read in a court
               | opinion without double-checking. Even if it's about legal
               | history.
               | 
               | [EDIT] As my sibling commenter points out, it's also the
               | case that sometimes they just lie on purpose. But even
               | absent that, the circumstances under which opinions are
               | written would generate factual errors by accident, with
               | some frequency.
        
             | UncleMeat wrote:
             | There's more to it than that.
             | 
             | Gorsuch mixing up nitrous oxide and nitrogen oxide over and
             | over is a recent fun example. The court also _has_ engaged
             | in fact finding despite the rules. Kennedy v Bremerton is
             | one example. Alexander v. South Carolina State Conference
             | of the NAACP is another.
             | 
             | You also see absolute garbage lies. FEC v. Ted Cruz for
             | Senate has the majority saying "we can't find examples of X
             | happening" while the dissent has a big list of examples of
             | X happening. Or just straight up falsehoods about original
             | understanding. DC v. Heller is a great example of this.
        
         | senkora wrote:
         | I suppose that they are free to focus on readability when they
         | don't have to structure their writing in order to defend their
         | decision-making from anyone, being the highest court of the
         | land.
        
           | cvoss wrote:
           | A few points to the contrary: The primary purpose for their
           | writing of opinions is not to defend the decisions, but to
           | instruct lower courts on how they should reason on similar
           | cases. So it very much matters on a practical level that
           | their reasoning is sound. Second, if the goal is a cogent,
           | defensible argument, readability is in support of that
           | objective, whereas you suggest that readability is somehow
           | (?) at odds with cogency and defensibility. Thirdly, the
           | justices are keenly aware that the interested public consumes
           | their opinions too, and that they are, in fact, ethically and
           | morally bound to defend their decisions to the public.
        
             | senkora wrote:
             | > you suggest that readability is somehow (?) at odds with
             | cogency and defensibility
             | 
             | All I am saying is that writing can be clearer and more
             | concise when you don't have to include asides and
             | digressions to preemptively defend it from criticism.
             | 
             | This is a technical point on power dynamics and writing
             | style. When the authors are in a position of power, then
             | they can focus more on readability (and cogency) and less
             | on playing defense, because their court seats are secure
             | for life.
             | 
             | By contrast, justices in lower courts are influenced by
             | organizational politics and must focus more on
             | defensibility, which may come at the expense of clarity.
             | 
             | So I do not find it surprising that the supreme court is
             | able to produce more readable decisions than lower courts,
             | because they have unique incentives.
             | 
             | > The primary purpose for their writing of opinions is not
             | to defend the decisions, but to instruct lower courts on
             | how they should reason on similar cases.
             | 
             | Correct. This is different from lower courts, which also
             | explains why they are able to focus on readability.
        
           | hnfong wrote:
           | They actually do have to, in a sense.
           | 
           | Being the only non-democratically elected branch of
           | government in a democracy, the courts don't enjoy direct
           | approval from the people. So while the structure of the
           | institutions seem to give them power, their authority
           | ultimately hinges on whether people perceive their decisions
           | fair and just.
           | 
           | When courts make unpopular decisions and can't explain why,
           | there's always a risk of some constitutional crisis. If
           | courts keep making decisions that they can't rationally
           | defend, at some point their authority will begin to erode.
           | (And if you followed the USSC rulings in recent years you
           | might start to understand why. Maybe the resentment not yet
           | directly targeted towards the courts, but those decisions did
           | add fuel to the already divisive politics in the US.)
        
       | tiahura wrote:
       | Honestly, ChatGPT and Claude can tldr more than good enough for
       | government work. Plus you can ask follow-up questions.
        
       | aaronbrethorst wrote:
       | Check out the podcast Strict Scrutiny for good coverage of what
       | SCOTUS is up to on a weekly basis: https://crooked.com/podcast-
       | series/strict-scrutiny/
       | 
       | It's hosted by three con law professors, but they're all
       | extremely adept at avoiding jargon and explaining how the cases
       | tie back to everyday life.
        
         | nonethewiser wrote:
         | Hard to take a law podcast seriously when it openly broadcasts
         | a political agenda. The image with Trump with a partisan
         | caption, all the partisan logo T's in the merch shop ("abortion
         | is healthcare", "leave trans kids alone you absolute freaks",
         | etc.). The one linked here and SCOTUSBlog seem much better.
        
           | monocularvision wrote:
           | I highly recommend Advisory Opinions
           | (https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/) for legal
           | podcasts.
           | 
           | The two hosts are center-right, but I think their takes are
           | largely pretty fair. Note: Sarah Isgur worked in the Trump
           | Justice Department but is hardly a fan of Trump... again, I
           | find her pretty fair minded).
        
           | HeatrayEnjoyer wrote:
           | Just sounds pro-democracy and pro-ethics, of that's an
           | "agenda" then it's a good one. What you've described
           | increases my desire to watch it, not decrease.
        
             | bigstrat2003 wrote:
             | Openly calling people "freaks" is not exactly indicative
             | that you can expect that person to be impartial and
             | accurate in their reporting of the facts. Moreover, calling
             | abortion "healthcare" is disingenuous at best. Everyone
             | knows damn well why people oppose abortion, and trying to
             | euphemistically refer to it as healthcare is willfully
             | ignoring the dispute.
        
               | aaronbrethorst wrote:
               | I don't know how you can read a story like this one and
               | _not_ conclude that abortion is healthcare.
               | https://www.npr.org/sections/health-
               | shots/2023/04/25/1171851...
        
           | stvltvs wrote:
           | Having a viewpoint isn't a sin. The SCOTUS justices are
           | allowed to rule on cases from a political viewpoint - even if
           | it's euphemistically called a judicial philosophy - so why
           | hold podcasters to a higher standard? At least they're
           | upfront about it and you know what you're in for. That's what
           | people say they like about the president elect.
        
           | lemonberry wrote:
           | I like knowing someone's bias. It makes it easier to
           | understand their viewpoint whether I agree with it or not.
           | It's the people that claim to be unbiased that worry me the
           | most. While not always true, I suspect them of lying or
           | lacking self-awareness.
        
         | HeatrayEnjoyer wrote:
         | Thanks for this
        
       | blackeyeblitzar wrote:
       | Out of curiosity, are all courts in the US required to publish
       | transcripts or videos? It would be interesting to have bots
       | processing those feeds to keep tabs on what is going on.
        
         | semiquaver wrote:
         | https://www.uscourts.gov/services-forms/federal-court-report...
         | 
         | Federal courts transcribe everything and the transcripts are
         | generally possible to obtain although in some cases the
         | transcripts are not free. State courts vary.
         | 
         | Availability of videos or audio recordings varies even more by
         | jurisdiction.
        
       | semiquaver wrote:
       | This site is the personal blog of a well-regarded reporter that
       | is a primary contributor to SCOTUSBlog:
       | https://www.scotusblog.com/
       | 
       | All these posts are cross-posted there. If I recall correctly the
       | reason for the cross-post setup has to do with conflict-of-
       | interest avoidance since she is married to the owner of
       | SCOTUSBlog. So you're probably better off reading that site
       | directly than this one.
        
       | nonethewiser wrote:
       | At cursory glance, this and SCOTUSBlog seem pretty reasonable and
       | not captured by the usual unhinged "the court is corrupt"
       | narrative.
        
         | TylerE wrote:
         | Is it really unhinged when more and more corrupt, undocumented,
         | gifts keep getting revealed?
        
           | nonethewiser wrote:
           | It's partisan. It's no coincidence that the side disagreeing
           | with all the EFFECTS of the decisions (not necessarily even
           | the legal interpretations - those tend not to get addressed)
           | is the one calling it corrupt.
        
             | giraffe_lady wrote:
             | You said it was unhinged but now you're pleading it down to
             | merely partisan?
        
             | Centigonal wrote:
             | I think there are three components here:
             | 
             | - There is a partisan component when democrats criticize
             | the effect of cases like Dobbs, Janus, and Trump v. USA.
             | This definitely exists.
             | 
             | - There is definitely a legal interpretation component. I
             | heard some good analysis on legal interpretation on NPR
             | around the Chevron deference when Loper v. Raimondo
             | happened. They had on law professors, federal lawyers, and
             | even one of the lawyers who argued the original Chevron
             | case. There was a lot of content educating people on the
             | history of Chevron deference, what it means, and what the
             | new ruling might mean for regulators in the future. I've
             | also seen a lot of discussion poking holes in the unitary
             | executive theory (on the left) and justifying it (on the
             | right). You sometimes have to dig to find this - long
             | discussions on legal theory don't exactly make for
             | compelling media.
             | 
             | - Finally, there is a "corruption on the SCOTUS" component.
             | I would argue that the timing here is partisan, but the
             | material is not. The conflicts of interest documented are
             | factual, and the calls to adopt a code of ethics should
             | have been a nonpartisan issue. Personally, I believe that
             | the GOP learned the wrong lesson from the Nixon impeachment
             | and Bork nomination and has adopted a more doveish stance
             | on balancing political power versus corruption within their
             | party, and the partisan lean of the SCOTUS scandals is a
             | consequence of this.
        
             | vundercind wrote:
             | I'll be upset with liberal justices, too, if evidence turns
             | up that any of them are being bribed on a grand scale by
             | billionaires.
             | 
             | That this is regarded as partisan by _anyone_ is why we 're
             | screwed. The revelations about Thomas should have had all
             | of Washington after his head. Nope, it's "partisan" so zero
             | action taken and normal people are even confused enough
             | about it that here we are, having this exchange. If that
             | doesn't scare you, it should.
        
         | returningfory2 wrote:
         | Yeah SCOTUSBlog is great. NYT reporting on lower profile cases
         | is often really great too. For higher profile cases I agree
         | coverage is dominated by partisan concerns and discussing the
         | outcomes rather than the law.
        
         | kweingar wrote:
         | It's good to get an uneditorialized view so you can know what's
         | going on without wasting your breath making the same complaints
         | over and over.
         | 
         | But that doesn't mean the complaints are wrong. SCOTUS is an
         | insane, dysfunctional institution.
         | 
         | The premise of judicial review is that if you have
         | ideologically-aligned justices, then any petitioner who
         | disagrees with Congress or the executive can file a lawsuit,
         | hit the appeal button twice, and get SCOTUS to undo the law.
         | The amount of law that is supposedly derived from the
         | (tangentially related) terse sentences of the constitution is
         | immense and, imo, completely unjustifiable.
         | 
         | The court's ability to strike down 100-year-old laws (whether
         | acts of Congress or their own previous decisions), and their
         | ability to effect these changes at times when the legislature
         | is in a more or less favorable position to react, is
         | destabilizing.
         | 
         | Even if this isn't convincing, just look at the farce that is
         | lifetime appointments. Large swaths of our ways of living are
         | dependent on the health, age, and egos of these people. We have
         | had manifestly unfit justices cling on to the bench in hopes
         | that they can retire under a friendly president. We can do
         | better.
        
       | FuriouslyAdrift wrote:
       | I was going to recommend SCOTUSBlog and then I noticed it's the
       | same person...
       | 
       | https://www.scotusblog.com/
       | 
       | Volokh Conspiracy is also great
       | 
       | https://reason.com/volokh/
        
       | cvoss wrote:
       | See also the Advisory Opinions podcast if you like to consume
       | your analysis of court arguments and opinions by listening.
        
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