[HN Gopher] A Mathematician in a School of Art
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A Mathematician in a School of Art
Author : nkoren
Score : 83 points
Date : 2024-11-12 22:40 UTC (1 days ago)
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| tivert wrote:
| I'm reminded of this cringe shirt that shows up in the ads I see
| quite a bit: https://www.geeksoutfit.com/products/the-great-
| fibonacci-wav....
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| The ads usually feature several shirts. The above one, and 5
| others that advertise the wearer is an asshole (e.g.
| https://www.geeksoutfit.com/products/my-level-of-sarcasm-is-...).
| EstanislaoStan wrote:
| Why do you subject yourself to ads?
| setopt wrote:
| If you're on a mobile device, adblockers are often crippled
| so a lot manages to slip through.
| mkl wrote:
| uBlock Origin on Firefox Android is not crippled. I
| essentially never see ads.
| bigstrat2003 wrote:
| That shirt isn't cringe, it's really cool. I don't know why you
| feel the need to go out of your way to hate on it.
| jhncls wrote:
| A fellow mathematical sculptor is Carlo Sequin [0]. Also Jos
| Leys' mathematical imagination is an explorative wonderland [1].
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| [0]: https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/ [1]:
| https://www.josleys.com
| Jun8 wrote:
| "There were several motivations behind the spiral. The first was
| an interest in the spiral patterns of both Celtic and Islamic
| art, and a desire to create a similar effect with as few rules as
| possible"
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| Quasi-periodic Islamic wall tilings are a whole interesting black
| hole, e.g. see this paper
| https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1135491
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| This really resonates with me. Unfortunately "the two cultures"
| polarizes people into viewing artists as airheads doing random
| artifacts or mathematicians as weirdos working on mostly useless
| stuff - the "I'm bad at math" confession to bond with people is
| common.
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| How can we encourage more people to study both art & math? Or
| Humanities and Science in general, e.g. English and Biology?
|
| I've always fantasized about having $10M discretionary money
| (haven't done the math, really, just a random figure) and opening
| a "Arts and Sciences Academy", which would be a high school where
| Arts trivium (music, literature, sculpture) would be studied on
| equal footing and intertwined with Sciences trivium (math,
| physics, biology) - I know an eclectic mix.
|
| I don't know why the very rich not pursue setting up schools like
| this?
| dartos wrote:
| FWIW the prevalent "I'm bad at math" vibe has a lot to do with
| how math is taught vs like English or science
| itronitron wrote:
| A work cant be justified as art solely by the technique
| employed in its creation, otherwise it would just be a craft
| representing the technical skill of the creator.
| noelwelsh wrote:
| Craig Kaplan has also done a lot of really nice work on Islamic
| tilings: https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~csk/publications/
| Affric wrote:
| 100%
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| Imagine if your maths class was getting you to draw curves and
| make art from tilings with a view to making art as opposed to
| the same 6 recycled examples about how fast a car is going or
| how to tile a floor.
|
| Mathematics funnelling students into engineering has to be one
| of the biggest trapping in local maxima strategies in all of
| education.
| smokel wrote:
| People sometimes combine two fields of study to create something
| novel and intriguing. However, such combinations often fall
| short, failing to satisfy the standards of either field.
|
| Unfortunately, the typical art audience rarely appreciates the
| elegance of mathematical theorems, especially when they deal with
| something as complex as, say, the Riemann hypothesis. Similarly,
| scientists often struggle to understand the appeal of performance
| art, where an artist might, for instance, stare at an apple for
| an hour.
|
| It is one thing that there is not enough audience for a niche
| thing, but the lack of criticism is even worse in my opinion.
|
| I'm probably being a bit too harsh here, and I'm probably just
| jealous, but it's something that keeps frustrating me. "Circuit-
| bending" [1] was a particular annoying crossover of art and
| electronics that still makes me shudder. Using the golden ratio
| for no good reason is also up there.
|
| [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_bending
| enugu wrote:
| A formal program with funding, faculty and grad students would
| greatly help to make something which is not superficial.
| (Although I don't know of how much making art is a university
| subject, art criticism seems to be more in vogue).
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| Currently, undergrads take double majors (Witten was a history
| grad!). But, this doesn't tend to happen at the graduate level.
| The obstacles can be getting funding(siloed into departments),
| and courses being demanding enough already for one subject.
|
| Faculty sometimes do hold a side appointment in other
| departments. But, the main incentive emerging from the academic
| job system is to get specialized expertise and publish in high
| reputation journals.
| cwmoore wrote:
| As one of my contributions to "failing to satisfy the standards
| of either field" (math, astrophysics, or fine art), I wonder
| whether you would love or hate https://www.ouruboroi.com
| adamgordonbell wrote:
| Or this, the uroboros quine. Which I think is for sure art.
|
| https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
| rendaw wrote:
| I like generative art! And that seems interesting! But it
| seems totally broken on my computer - it flashes with random
| frames at 6k jump days for a few seconds then stops. The stop
| button does nothing, there's no way to restart it, the cursor
| can't be modified, etc.
|
| I assume it'd be a smoother animation at a smaller number of
| jump days, I'd like to see that.
|
| Edit: I finally got it working by changing the parameters,
| going to the order page, then clicking on the qr link. I did
| it with 1 jump day. But it still flashes like crazy (colors
| inverting ever frame) and there's massive moire patterns,
| among the low resolution and other graphical glitches. I
| think the idea is cool so I'd like to see something more
| fleshed out. Is this something you could do on e.g.
| shadertoy?
| theamk wrote:
| Circuit bending is pretty neat from electronics designer
| perspective: given the current electronics design state-of-the-
| art (MCU all the things), how do you design the circuit which
| responses to the random poking in a most interesting way,
| without being damaged?
|
| It really forces one to bring back that obscure subset of
| analog-era skills... "This oscillator is almost never used
| because of bad Vcc-related frequency drift and distorts output
| in presence of even slight parasitics? Great, let's put it into
| the design!"
|
| (Note that making entire circuit out of DFN parts with 3 mil
| traces, and then leaving large prominent test points is
| considered cheating :) )
| swayvil wrote:
| Doing art through your intellect is like breathing through a
| pinhole.
| downboots wrote:
| Someone suggested sharing this gallery into this thread
| https://mathemalchemy.org/2022/01/19/mathematical-connection...
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