[HN Gopher] M4 Mac mini's efficiency is incredible
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M4 Mac mini's efficiency is incredible
Author : marinesebastian
Score : 158 points
Date : 2024-11-12 22:08 UTC (51 minutes ago)
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| austinpena wrote:
| M4 Mac Mini with 16GB RAM is doing a "good enough" job of editing
| 6k raw footage in Premiere for my team. I'm surprised to say I'm
| content with the 16GB of ram so far.
| wslh wrote:
| I bought the first MacBook Air M1 with 8GB because it was the
| only option available in my area. Initially, I had doubts,
| especially after using notebooks with more than 16GB of RAM in
| previous years. But I was genuinely surprised by how well the
| M1 performed. My takeaway is that there's a lot of room for
| similar improvements in Linux!
| nordsieck wrote:
| I have an m1 as well.
|
| And while I'm broadly satisfied with its performance, I do
| think that the SSD is probably carrying some of that load.
| And for a machine that often gets used far longer than a PC,
| I can't see that being great for longevity.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| > And while I'm broadly satisfied with its performance, I
| do think that the SSD is probably carrying some of that
| load. And for a machine that often gets used far longer
| than a PC, I can't see that being great for longevity.
|
| This isn't the early 2010s anymore - SSDs last "long
| enough" for most people, to the point they are no more
| consumable than your motherboard or your RAM. (I've
| actually experienced more RAM failures than SSD failures,
| but that's an individual opinion here.)
|
| And for the downvoters - do you remember the last time you
| handed in your Steam Deck, Nintendo Switch, iPhone, or even
| laptop specifically for a random SSD failure, unrelated to
| water damage or another external cause? Me neither.
| telgareith wrote:
| people really don't grasp that the slowest SSDs are still
| 3-5x faster than the fastest HDDs (including SAS drives.
| Yes, the dualport kind).
|
| And, Looking at the anandtech review of a vertex 3 way
| back in 2011...
| wkjagt wrote:
| I'm still very happy with my 8GB Air M1 as well. It's
| incredible how well it still works for a 4 year old entry
| level laptop. I see all these new M's come out, and I'm sure
| they're fantastic, but I'm not at all tempted to upgrade.
| wslh wrote:
| I've been lurking here for more updates on the Mac Mini M4 since
| I haven't bought mine yet. I also shared some thoughts in
| previous comments [1][2], as I'm not only impressed by the
| technical achievements and form factor but also interested in
| seeing how Apple's business evolves over the next few quarters.
| I'm curious whether Apple will increase its market share on the
| desktop side while continuing to dominate in mobile.
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42025411
|
| [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42099883
| philip1209 wrote:
| That's great - I wonder if you could get one working with Kamal
| [1] and Cloudflare Tunnel [2] to run public web apps from a home
| computer?
|
| [1] https://kamal-deploy.org/
|
| [2] https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/
| choilive wrote:
| Yes, just using docker containers and cloudflare tunnel I am
| using mine as a server for my self hosted apps.
| zikduruqe wrote:
| Don't forget Tailscale serve and funnel.
|
| https://tailscale.com/blog/reintroducing-serve-funnel
| ewalk153 wrote:
| Given these efficient numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple
| were racking Minis for serving the new ML models for Siri.
| wmf wrote:
| Mac minis probably don't have enough RAM to hold Siri's models.
| It's more likely that Apple is using (modified) Mac Studios.
| jsheard wrote:
| Why use Macs at all? It's their platform, they can spin a
| custom motherboard with 4-8 Apple Silicon systems, network
| switching and power delivery for all of them integrated into
| one compact rackmount unit if they want to.
| favorited wrote:
| They've publicly disclosed that they built custom Apple Silicon
| servers to power Private Cloud Compute.
|
| "The root of trust for Private Cloud Compute is our compute
| node: custom-built server hardware that brings the power and
| security of Apple silicon to the data center, with the same
| hardware security technologies used in iPhone, including the
| Secure Enclave and Secure Boot."
|
| <https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/>
| LordKeren wrote:
| I can't help but wish that Apple would provide the handful of
| features needed to make a Mac mini into a competent home server.
| rgbrgb wrote:
| what else do you need?
| riknos314 wrote:
| What specific feature gaps would you like to see them address?
| echoangle wrote:
| Official Linux support would help, is anyone running MacOS on
| a server?
| cosmotic wrote:
| If running native ports of server software isn't your cup
| of tea, you can run Linux containers on macos.
| echoangle wrote:
| In the full GUI MacOS install? And the Linux container
| (I'm assuming you mean container like docker or podman?)
| would run in a Linux VM?
| cguess wrote:
| I run full multiple Ubuntu desktop VMs on Parallels on a
| M1 MacBook Air. You can use Docker for server installs,
| sure, but QEMU also works great on Macs and with Rosetta
| you can even get pretty damn close to native x86
| execution speeds.
| risho wrote:
| they run through virtualization which is clunky to
| interface with across boundaries and introduces overhead.
| I also don't think it has any hardware acceleration for
| things that would benefit from using the gpu.
| cguess wrote:
| This isn't the market for MacMinis though. Why are people
| on this forum so bad at understanding market segmentation?
| Apple made an incredible _desktop_ machine that happens to
| work pretty damn well as a server if you poke around.
|
| This machine is for people at home to for editing video.
| It's _great_ in the field for production where it goes from
| pelican case to hotel desk to folding table to pelican case
| to cargo hold to storage.
| risho wrote:
| Linux support. MacOS is a desktop first gui based operating
| system. Linux on the other hand is a server first
| cli/terminal based operating system. Everything server
| related is designed to on linux first and foremost and may or
| may not incidentally also run on MacOS.
| SG- wrote:
| run it in a VM.
| dangus wrote:
| macOS is explicitly designed to not be a server, and the
| consumer hardware it runs on is also designed that way.
| Apple even discontinued the Server tools that you could buy
| on the App Store that used to be called Mac OS X Server.
|
| If you want to run Linux server apps, you should run Linux.
| Because Apple hardware and macOS isn't giving you any
| advantages over a generic piece of hardware running a Linux
| distribution. The hardware costs more and is less
| upgradable than off-the-shelf hardware.
|
| Servers should not run desktop environments because they
| are a waste of resources and widen the attack surface due
| to having more components installed and running.
|
| And even if you want a desktop environment for your Linux
| server, Linux most certainly has a wide selection of mature
| stable desktop environments.
|
| If you need to do development work or just achieve the goal
| of running Linux applications on a Mac, that can be easily
| done via virtual machines, containers, etc.
| nikcub wrote:
| I'd like to replace my NAS using a mini - but Apple segment
| the market on disk.
|
| A "dumb" NAS 2.5" SSD drive array plugged into one via
| firewire, and then out to the network via the Mac Mini would
| work.
| marxisttemp wrote:
| FireWire?
|
| Once I have some more disposable income I plan to buy a
| Thunderbolt RAID array and a mini. FireWire hasn't been on
| Macs for at least a decade.
|
| Apple's internal storage pricing is absurd but you wouldn't
| plan to use a NUC or a Raspberry Pi SOC's onboard storage
| for a NAS anyways.
| MBCook wrote:
| What would those be?
| bryancoxwell wrote:
| I've never tried turning a Mac into a home server. What
| features do you need that it's missing?
| toast0 wrote:
| Depends what 'home server' means.
|
| MacOS would need syncookies to be a viable tcp server on
| public IPs, IMHO, but MacOS pulled FreeBSD's TCP stack a
| couple months before syncookies were added, and they never
| rebased or otherwise added syncookies later.
|
| I haven't looked into if they pulled any scalability updates
| over the years, but I kind of assume they haven't, and the
| stack would have a lot of lock contention if you had more
| than say 10,000 tcp sockets.
| lurking_swe wrote:
| i've found it pretty easy to run my "homelab" with docker
| compose. Traefik binds to port 80 and 443, and all my apps are
| accessible behind the proxy.
|
| Docker desktop can be configured to start on login. For keeping
| the mac awake "forever", i'd suggest the Amphetamine app.
|
| I also appreciate that you can easily use the macOS screen
| sharing app to login and manage the mac from a laptop.
| manmal wrote:
| That certainly works, but Docker will use a Linux VM, right?
| prewett wrote:
| Maybe they already have, depending on what you need. Settings
| >> General >> Sharing provides lots of options. "Remote Login"
| is SSH and SFTP, and last time I used it, "File Sharing" was
| SMB. "Screen Sharing" and "Remote Management" seem useful, too.
| I assume that "Media Sharing" is supposed to allow iTunes on
| your network to see media files, although I've never used it
| and the information on the dialog is limited.
| spacedcowboy wrote:
| I have a Mac mini backed by an Areca 24-bay Thunderbolt disk-
| array in the rack in the garage. Works like a dream.
| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| Such as?
| nextos wrote:
| I use Linux, but I think the cheapest M4 Mini offers an
| incredible value and efficiency per EUR. With education discount,
| it's around EUR650, including VAT. It's pretty hard to find such
| a silent and powerful machine for that little. Any comparable
| options?
|
| A good fanless build with a i3-14100T is more expensive and
| 40-50% slower on Geekbench. An i5 is a bit closer. Some 2024
| Ryzen CPUs can match or exceed its multicore performance, but
| these are also more expensive and much less energy efficient.
| Pricewise, things start favoring PCs if you need more RAM, as Mac
| upgrades are costly.
|
| One can potentially use Nix on a Mac Mini to keep similar
| development environments to those used in Linux, but AFAIK some
| packages are not supported on ARM. Any experiences using Nix and
| nix-darwin as a daily driver?
| vetinari wrote:
| NUC 14th gen with i3 is around 400 EUR with VAT, with no RAM or
| storage. For the other 250 EUR, surely you can get more RAM
| than 16 GB and more storage than 256 GB.
| nextos wrote:
| I use a NUC as a daily driver. The problem with NUCs is that
| cooling is suboptimal, the fan is small and thus noisy. It
| can be fixed with a third-party case, but that's at least
| EUR60-100 more for a much slower machine. Plus, you may void
| the guarantee by transplanting the motherboard.
| vetinari wrote:
| I have i7 NUC13 mounted on a back of monitor and I can
| barely hear it. It's not that bad, previously (NUC7-era) it
| was much worse.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| > NUC 14th gen with i3 is around 400 EUR with VAT
|
| 4 cores instead of 10 cores, 69W TDP instead of 22W, UHD
| Graphics 730 versus Apple's 10 core GPU (0.5 TFLOPs vs about
| 4.3), 23% worse single core performance, 45% worse multicore,
| and much louder cooling.
|
| It's not a fair comparison.
| vetinari wrote:
| So get a stronger one. There will be always something that
| is better on one or another side.
|
| I have 13th gen i7, with 64 GB RAM and 2 TB ssd (and 2.5
| GbE). It was 800 EUR + VAT, last year. How much would
| similar Mac Mini cost?
|
| Not a fair comparison either.
|
| Edit: 69W for the NUC is not TDP. It is 69W power brick
| that ships with the machine.
| AshamedCaptain wrote:
| It's almost half the price.
| talldayo wrote:
| > Any experiences using Nix and nix-darwin as a daily driver?
|
| Not positive ones, even on x86 Darwin. Homebrew feels a lot
| more stable, which is a decidedly concerning thing for the
| average Nix enjoyer.
| edude03 wrote:
| What kind of issues are you having?
| tredre3 wrote:
| > With education discount
|
| I don't understand why so many people use the discounted price
| as reference. Surely very few of us on HN are still in college?
| So let's use the actual price when making comparisons.
| no_wizard wrote:
| all you need is a .edu address If I recall correctly. you can
| buy them on alumni addresses.
|
| That said, a far chunk of HNs never completed college, like
| myself and lost access to any email accounts of this sort,
| which only further supports your argument directly, as the
| EDU discount isn't universally attainable
| devmor wrote:
| I'm going to have to check this out, I no longer have
| access directly to my old college email, but it still
| forwards to my gmail over a decade later!
| nicce wrote:
| Regardless, if people start to abuse this by getting
| discount while not actually being student or teacher, we
| can say goodbuy to that discount and real students and
| teachers will suffer from it.
| stirlo wrote:
| It's trivially easy to obtain the discount. Anyone working in
| education, or a student at any level, k-12, higher ed,
| graduates with access to uni email can get it. Apple doesn't
| ask any questions or for verification.
|
| They also go on sale at a similar price to the general public
| relatively frequently.
| mp05 wrote:
| > Surely very few of us on HN are still in college?
|
| What makes you think that? I'm back in school getting a MEng
| degree in my 30s.
| bdangubic wrote:
| very few on HN pay full price for Mac products ;)
| brailsafe wrote:
| [delayed]
| denkmoon wrote:
| Just put Asahi on there, or any linux you like. I'm sure the
| support will be there soon if it's not already.
| stirlo wrote:
| Asahi Linux doesn't currently support M4 but it's planned for
| next year.
| steeleduncan wrote:
| Nix works well on mac, very similar to Nix/Linux for the most
| part. There are some missing packages, but the common ones tend
| to be fine. Its worth using the Determinate Systems installer
| to avoid reinstalling Nix on every macOS update though.
|
| Nix-darwin is good, and I use it, but it is nowhere close to
| NixOS. I think there are some options I've set through it that
| macOS keeps overriding, so the declarative configuration drifts
| from the real one eventually
|
| I think the only real issue with Nix on macOS is that Nix can
| eat through storage quite quickly, and storage upgrades are
| pretty expensive on Macs. This might push the balance back to
| an fanless ryzen build
| nicce wrote:
| > I think the only real issue with Nix on macOS is that Nix
| can eat through storage quite quickly, and storage upgrades
| are pretty expensive on Macs. This might push the balance
| back to an fanless ryzen build
|
| Only if you want to be able to roll back multiple versions.
| Otherwise, I think it is fine.
| GeekyBear wrote:
| Beelink has dropped the price for a roughly comparable unit
| with an Intel Core Ultra from 800 US Dollars to $700.
|
| https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-sei14-ultra5-125h
| foobarian wrote:
| At this point maybe the main benefit of an x86 machine is it
| has a spot to plug in an Nvidia GPU :-)
| edude03 wrote:
| Daily nix user across Mac and Linux, though I use Mac for
| actual development. No problems here moving between the two
| with my dev env defined on GitHub [0]
|
| [0]: https://github.com/edude03/dotfiles
| pjot wrote:
| I recently upgraded from a 2020 Intel MBP to an M3 Pro. I've been
| been blown away. Even more, I've yet to hear the fans turn on.
| NKosmatos wrote:
| Best quote from the post: "If only they didn't put the power
| button on the bottom"
| rgovostes wrote:
| > _If only they didn 't put the power button on the bottom._
|
| I can't tell if anyone is being serious about the "Powergate"
| issue. The thing is 5" wide and weighs 1.5 lbs, it's not exactly
| a burden to lift it a little. And there are highly practical
| workarounds:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/macmini/comments/1gncek7/nailed_the...
| ewhanley wrote:
| I also wonder how often people are actually turning them off.
| It's generally a rare event to push the power button on a mac
| in my experience
| pupppet wrote:
| I don't even turn my computer off when going on vacation.
| kranke155 wrote:
| It's not a burden.
|
| I consider it a typical Tim Cook decision, in that the man led
| the company that made one of the fastest CPUs in the world,
| makes it draw as much as a Raspberry Pi. Absolutely crazy feats
| of engineering, design, manufacturing... and -
|
| There is that ONE detail that would've made it perfected but
| it's botched!
|
| I don't mind it too much, since it's still 99% close to
| perfect.
|
| But, but...
| AcerbicZero wrote:
| Hah, Tim Cook decision pretty much sums it up; its the kind
| of thing that wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds when placed in
| front of Jobs (although there is a strong chance Jobs would
| have demanded his own nonsensical addition/subtraction to the
| design).
| kranke155 wrote:
| Yeah he likely would have said no ports, or lets have only
| one port, or he would have demanded that the Mac mini has
| the dimensions of some multiple of pi...
|
| Nobody's perfect.
| whartung wrote:
| Shame they got rid of the ability to power the computer on
| and off from the keyboard. I know its been that way for some
| time, I'm sure there's good reason for it (maybe it doesn't
| work well over BT or something, or simply few generic
| keyboards offered the power button).
| soheil wrote:
| 1. Given millions of things that are perfect it takes one of
| them for HN to lose its mind, power button happened to be it
| this time, Cook didn't decide that.
|
| 2. How often do people exactly have to turn off and on a mac
| that consumes less than a pi for them to constantly be
| reaching out to that power button?
|
| 3. Standby, hibernate exist.
| bookofjoe wrote:
| >Apple Says There's a Simple Reason for the Mac Mini's Odd
| Power Button Location
|
| https://gizmodo.com/apple-mac-minis-odd-power-button-locatio...
| steeleduncan wrote:
| Because minis are very commonly racked in bulk, and its both
| very irritating for that use case, and entirely unnecessary
| cguess wrote:
| Minis are rarely racked in bulk unless you're running a
| server farm, which is not the use case they design for. The
| MacMini is first and foremost a desktop computer for non-
| professional people or at least not sysadmins. If people want
| to rack them, go ahead, but in that case how often are you
| hard rebooting a machine vs soft reboot anyways? Macs aren't
| known for freezing up too much.
|
| Either way, it works for the use case its designed for.
| evilduck wrote:
| Why not just rack them upside down then?
| rgovostes wrote:
| Some of the rackmount kits for previous generations already
| reroute the power button and connectors to the front, like
| this https://racknex.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/with-
| power-bu.... (Though why not just install it backwards?) I
| guess they will be able to run a little lever under the M4
| model the same way.
|
| Actually, the M4 model is a little taller so it no longer
| fits in a 1U rack mount. Whereas before you could fit 2
| horizontally in 1U, now you'd possibly fit 8 or 9 vertically
| in 3U. (Edit: This company says 10 per 2U
| https://www.racksolutions.com/m4-mac-mini-apple-
| hypershelf.h....)
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I just got one (M4Pro model).
|
| It's pretty zippy.
|
| I have pressed the power button exactly once, since Friday (the
| day I got it). All other restarts were "soft" (including a
| couple of crashes). The keyboard and trackpad do fine, starting
| a shut-down computer.
|
| It's replacing a docked MBP. That power button was a _lot_ more
| difficult to reach, and I needed to hit it more often than
| this.
| rgovostes wrote:
| I spent a few minutes looking up whether a Mac could be
| booted from a Bluetooth keyboard but couldn't find any
| documentation of that. Back in the day some(?) Mac models
| could be booted by a USB keyboard, see
| https://www.projectgus.com/2023/04/griffin-imate/ for
| technical details.
| kube-system wrote:
| > Back in the day some(?) Mac models could be booted by a
| USB keyboard
|
| Heck, way back in the day, Macs all had power buttons on
| the keyboard.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_key
| akira2501 wrote:
| > it's not exactly a burden to lift it a little.
|
| Human dexterity is not constant. Some people have injuries
| which compromise them.
|
| > And there are highly practical workarounds:
|
| Apple. A consumer product company where every _single_ product
| has some massive defect which must be apologized around.
|
| Which is fine.. but I'm not sure how that justifies their
| typical price point.
| darknavi wrote:
| If the power button is the main gripe with this model of Mac
| Mini, then its doing pretty well.
| userbinator wrote:
| Or rotate it 180 degrees. There's nothing on the top (now
| bottom) anyway that can't stand being covered up.
| GeekyBear wrote:
| Also interesting, the M4 Mini has the flash storage on a
| replaceable module, instead of being soldered to the motherboard,
| although the NVMe controller is still integrated into the SoC.
|
| iFixIt and others have already posted videos showing that the
| flash storage is now upgradable.
|
| > M4 Mac mini Teardown - UPGRADABLE SSD, Powerful, and TINY
|
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdGxBeSkz8
| winwang wrote:
| The controller being decoupled is an extremely interesting
| idea! Makes a lot of sense. I wonder if it includes a
| (nontrivial) cache.
| telgareith wrote:
| Seems likely its a cacheless (well, host bus memory) design
| like the ones used by Apple on their other designs.
| AshamedCaptain wrote:
| "Upgradeable" is too big of a word here, specially considering
| that they're using different form-factors even between the
| models released on the same year (e.g. pro vs non-pro) ; and
| also different from models released on the previous year (e.g.
| studio). This almost certainly means that next year's model
| will also use a different interface, so you won't be able to
| upgrade your storage at all.
| IshKebab wrote:
| "Upgradable" if you are willing to desolder and replace the BGA
| chips.
|
| You can't just swap the module out.
| 1-6 wrote:
| "If only they didn't put the power button on the bottom."
|
| While I think Apple was off the rocker on this particular
| decision, I do respect their org structure that allows this type
| of decision to occur. Believe me, there are companies where a
| dozen people or more would weigh in and prevent an unpopular
| choice. Consensus sometimes hinders a desired result (both good
| and bad).
| thought_alarm wrote:
| I wish the same could be said of the Studio Display, which is
| quite power hungry. If the Mac is running then the display is
| using minimum 10 Watts of continuous power usage at all times,
| fan running, with the screen off.
|
| I guess it takes 10 Watts to maintain the Thunderbolt controller,
| USB hub, A13 processor, and run the fan.
|
| Power usage does drop to <1 Watt when the Mac is actually
| sleeping, unless anything is plugged into the USB hub. Even an
| empty iPhone cable will cause the display to draw 5 Watts. It's
| disappointing.
| ghaff wrote:
| I may have to break down after the holidays.
|
| I have a 2015 iMac and I've been holding off (and haven't really
| been using my Apple Silicon MacBook as intended) so it may be
| time to do the upgrade.
| dangus wrote:
| I see a lot of reviews that say things like this but seem to be
| written by people who aren't testing against commonly available
| mini PCs that are built on efficiency architectures.
|
| How different is the efficiency of this compared to something
| like an Intel N100/200/300 or a Ryzen 7 7735HS that you can get
| in cheap mini PCs from manufacturers like Beelink?
|
| I am not doubting that Apple's processors are class-leading but
| at the same time it seems like I see a lot of people impressed
| that a mini PC can idle under 10 watts. That's been common for a
| long time now.
| jchw wrote:
| While it may not be the literal fastest CPU ever, it still seems
| very, very fast, and the efficiency is pretty compelling. I'm not
| sure how much of those efficiency gains are a product of the
| design constraints that Apple is not beholden to (external
| memory, x86 backwards compatibility, other aspects of the AMD64
| architecture, etc.), the slightly better process nodes, or
| superior design. I'm honestly dying to know, but I guess we won't
| find out, and as far as the products go, it doesn't really matter
| that much. The end result is a pretty good deal.
|
| As a mainly non-Apple user I see the following caveats for my own
| uses:
|
| - I'd love to see better Linux support. (As far as I know, Asahi
| Linux only covers the M1 and M2 lines, and as amazing of a
| project as it is, last I looked, it's neither upstreamed nor
| exactly what one might consider first class. Maybe it's getting
| there now, though...)
|
| - I'm worried about the SSD situation still. It seems like it
| hasn't amounted to much (yet), but some use cases might be more
| impacted than others, and once the SSD does finally fail, the
| machine's dead. This is not how things work in most PCs, even
| mini PCs, and it's a bit of a hard pill to swallow.
|
| - The pricing is great at the baseline, but it gets progressively
| worse as you go up. The Apple M4 Pro Mac Mini has a baseline
| price of $1,399.00, which I think is pretty decent for a high-end
| computer with 24 GiB of RAM. But, it maxes out at 64 GiB of RAM,
| which is less than half of what I have in my current main
| machine, and believe me, _I use it_. That 64 GiB of RAM upgrade
| costs $600. For comparison, the most expensive 64 GiB DDR5 RAM
| kit on PCPartPicker is $328.99. Don 't get me wrong either, I
| understand that Apple's unified RAM is part of the secret sauce
| of how these things are as efficient and small as they are, but
| at least for my main computer I really don't need things to be
| this compact, so it's another tradeoff that's really hard to
| swallow.
|
| But on the other hand, for people happy to use macOS as their
| primary operating system, the M4 line of Macs really does look
| the best computer Apple has ever produced. (For me, it is rare
| that I feel compelled to even consider an Apple computer; the
| last time was with the original M1 Mac Mini, which I did buy,
| although after some experimentation I mainly just use it for
| testing things on macOS rather than as a daily driver machine.)
| There really aren't many caveats especially since the base memory
| configurations this time around are actually reasonable.
|
| I suspect these things could be great on homelab racks if the
| longevity issues don't wind up being a huge problem.
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