[HN Gopher] Visualizing 13M Bluesky users
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Visualizing 13M Bluesky users
Author : joelg
Score : 215 points
Date : 2024-11-12 18:25 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| OmarShehata wrote:
| > can't make a map of all of twitter
|
| no, but nothing can stop you & a bunch of people from exporting
| your tweet archive and visualizing that!
| Retr0id wrote:
| Hard to get 13M people to do it, and harder to stop some subset
| of those 13M people polluting your dataset with fake data.
| jsight wrote:
| Yep, and there will be self selection biases even among
| people who don't export fake data.
| OmarShehata wrote:
| I'd love to see a more NLP look at this data, Google trends
| style. What topics of discourse come up regularly, what spikes
| during certain time periods? Can you summarize what economists
| are discussing? Can you find people talking about the same things
| but are not in each other's networks?
| cwal37 wrote:
| Bluesky has really exploded in certain niches over the past week,
| I think my followers have gone up 5-6x since Saturday.
|
| I'd been a somewhat active user over the past year as
| conversation on the field I work in (energy) become so degraded
| on Twitter as to make it kind of worthless (mean in multiple
| senses of the word as well as ludicrous levels of spam), but
| Bluesky was pretty relaxed without a lot of traction, now there's
| some real heat to it as things pick up.
|
| Hopefully this surge is real, has certianly gotten me to be much
| more active.
| danieldk wrote:
| Yeah, I've had an account for quite a while now (from before
| registrations were open), but it was largely a ghost town. The
| last few days there is a lot more stuff happening in my feed.
| And so far free of all the drama, bots, etc.
| unpopularopp wrote:
| I yet to find "utility" accounts on Bluesky. I use Twitter to
| follow news from games, game studios and publishers, news
| sites, bands, NASA etc. There is nothing like there yet and I
| don't care about random people (as I don't care about them on
| Twitter either)
|
| I check time to time but basically it's 0/50
| minimaxir wrote:
| It's a chicken-and-egg problem. Fortunately it appears that
| utility accounts are slowly popping up now that there's an
| audience.
| jacoblambda wrote:
| If you are looking for stuff from big publishers then yeah
| it's gonna be a bit slow/empty but there are a lot of
| small/indie devs on bluesky and it's awesome being able to
| interact with them directly without all the spam that usually
| came with posts on twitter.
| omoikane wrote:
| For NASA, looks like someone has made an unofficial mirror
| account:
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/nasa.extwitter.link
|
| Also, some game companies do maintain a presence on bluesky:
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/sega.jp
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/panic.com
| threeseed wrote:
| You will find a lot of games, studios and bands on Threads.
|
| Since it leverages Instagram and has pretty fantastic photo
| features.
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| Yeah. Twitter/X after the Russian invasion quickly let me
| connect to serious professionals in US-Russia relations, war,
| etc. e.g. War on the Rocks and Mike Kofman, the Truth of the
| Matter by CSIS, etc.
|
| Are there easy tools that allow you to post on multiple
| platforms from the same content, that also supports replies?
| mrits wrote:
| Considering X is an app used by the world I don't see how there
| could be any real momentum. To begin with, the world is more
| conservative than the US.
| threeseed wrote:
| The facts are that Threads has 275m MAU and has been #1 on
| the App Store almost continually since it launched. Bluesky
| is now #2 and rapidly growing. The momentum is real and
| significant.
|
| And the world is sick of Elon Musk and US politics.
| mrits wrote:
| The facts are that the world is addicted to Elon Musk and
| US politics.
| alexriddle wrote:
| I don't think that's particularly true but even if it
| was, the site is overrun with crypto spam and porn bots
| that will drive people away. I know 3 people who have
| deactivated their account and switched to bluesky in the
| past week - and anecdotal evidence for many people on
| bluesky seems to suggest engagement levels are
| significantly higher. The network effects are really
| gaining traction as well.
|
| I gave up on Twitter when I opened the app in public to
| find a porn video playing in the main feed, despite not
| following or interacting with any accounts of that nature
| previously. That was ~6 months ago and I haven't looked
| back.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| Twitter is quite small as far as big social media
| platforms go (about 300 million, largest individual
| userbase by far US citizens [1]). Compared to Telegram
| with a billion users and Instagram, Facebook,
| TikTok/Douyin in the billions the constant talking about
| Twitter/Elon and so forth isn't that internationally
| relevant.
|
| No offense but it's mostly Americans screaming at other
| Americans about how important America is. It's a little
| bit tiresome how much headspace that site and owner
| occupy these days on certain parts of the internet.
|
| [1]https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/number-of-twitter-
| users-by...
| threeseed wrote:
| For me, everything is settling.
|
| Threads is a half Twitter, half Instagram hybrid strong in
| creative, travel, social etc type content. Bluesky is original
| Twitter with strengths in news, politics, science etc. These
| days not sure it will ever be possible to have one app that
| does it all.
|
| Which leaves X as the new 4chan.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| Whoa, new 4chan is remarkably apt. It's shit-posting for
| days. It feels degrading to use it at all.
| meme3 wrote:
| In terms of toxicity, X is way beyond 4chan at this point.
| But the style is very different. Algorithmic vs organic,
| retweets vs (You)s, anonymous vs semi-anonymous and much
| more. All the way to how replies are visually presented which
| is awful on Twitter and it's clones.
|
| Honestly, I've had more positive interactions and learned
| more on 4chan than I ever have on Twitter. I wish the few
| tech people I care about who are still on there would just
| move (to clarify, move anywhere, not to 4chan obviously).
| bigstrat2003 wrote:
| Twitter has always been one of the most toxic places on the
| Internet. It's why I have refused to use it, because I have
| better things to do with my time than watch terminally
| online people get into diatribes about their extreme
| left/right political views. I don't have any faith that any
| replacement will be better, considering that they are
| primarily populated by the people who are so extreme left
| that they couldn't abide the idea of new Twitter ownership.
| SoftTalker wrote:
| The spammers and trolls will be there soon. Nothing popular is
| ignored for long.
| jkestner wrote:
| Nice thing is that block works there.
| Karrot_Kream wrote:
| My X never really degraded (I also spend a lot of time on
| Japanese-language X which is probably a different beast) but I
| have been spending time on Bluesky over the last year. For a
| while it was a fun network but fairly quiet. I could go an hour
| or so without any new posts. Over the last 3 weeks I've seen
| Bluesky become a lot more active and now it's feeling a lot
| like X where there's no way to stay on top of my feed. I'm
| really excited as I'm a firm believer that larger communities
| lead to more diverse views.
|
| I also run my own Bluesky labeler and Firehose ingester so I've
| been following as event throughput has roughly doubled over the
| last 3-4 months.
| brendoelfrendo wrote:
| Japanese language Twitter is indeed a very different beast.
| It's pretty much the social network over there, and most of
| Musk's changes that targeted or angered users were primarily
| targeted at English-language users, mostly in the US. So the
| Japanese users just kinda trucked on like nothing was
| happening.
| Applejinx wrote:
| That's been my experience as well, in every sense. A sudden
| explosion of incoming people, many new options of interesting
| and salient people to follow, and the overall experience
| rapidly getting more engaging.
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| It's just getting a lot more attention everywhere, as evidenced
| by Google Trends.
|
| https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&ge...
|
| There is an obvious need for Twitter-like platforms, but
| Twitter/X has become too right-wing for many users. The left
| needs a place to talk and vent about the election, and Twitter
| is no longer friendly to that. Therefore, Bluesky is taking off
| due to that event.
| jcul wrote:
| I never really "got" Twitter.
|
| I don't know why, but I always felt like the hype went over me
| head, and it was a bit boring.
|
| Though I'm tempted to check out Bluesky, the AT protocol seems
| really interesting.
| saila wrote:
| In its heyday, before the most recent acquisition, Twitter
| was really good for local info (ignoring celebrities,
| shitposting, and the like). Not just news but announcements,
| alerts, and other local stuff if you followed the right
| accounts.
|
| Mastodon is cool, but it's hard to consistently find that
| local info. Bluesky seems like it has a chance of supplanting
| Twitter in this way, but it's not there yet. Some of the
| accounts I used to follow on Twitter are on Bluesky, but they
| don't post. If they started, I think they'd get tons of
| followers now.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| Is the "scraper" still running? If so, how many users are there
| today?
| joelg wrote:
| there are a other few places tracking those stats too; I just
| counted 14487454 in my database :)
| kmelve wrote:
| Pretty cool! The BlueSky API is on point. A colleague of mine put
| together this visualization based on the firehose:
| https://bigmood.blue/
|
| Source:
| https://bsky.app/profile/even.westvang.com/post/3laob7tefxk2...
| willcodeforfoo wrote:
| Love this kind of post! I was surprised to see you really can
| drink from the firehose: brew install websocat
| websocat wss://bsky.network/xrpc/com.atproto.sync.subscribeRepos
|
| ...haven't tried to decode it, though.
| alpb wrote:
| Twitter used to have a Firehose API, too. Over time they closed
| it, and made it only available to large users like Google
| Search with real-time indexing needs.
| anigbrowl wrote:
| Twitter had a really outstanding search and streaming API,
| but after Musk bought it they put it behind a $60k/year
| paywall. You can see a corresponding and abrupt falloff in
| academic network research papers, with newer ones that
| revolve around Twitter largely limited to cannibalizing old
| datasets.
|
| With luck bsky keeps growing and researchers invest effort in
| studying a more open-by-design platform.
| tomrod wrote:
| I hadn't come across this before, looking forward to exploring
| a new tool. Thanks!
| ericvolp12 wrote:
| Give Jetstream a try instead, it's all JSON for you already:
|
| websocat wss://jetstream2.us-west.bsky.network/subscribe
| zdimension wrote:
| Very nice. Modern GPUs really are fast as drawing points.
|
| It's pretty similar to a project I've been working on for the
| past year, scraping Facebook instead of BlueSky (which is a bit
| harder since FB doesn't expose an API for that). I currently have
| about 140 million nodes on my scraped graph and a GUI with
| pathfinding and stuff like that.
|
| It's a shame though because as nice as the thing is, I'm not sure
| I can publish it online, given it contains names of people. I
| don't think the GDPR would be very happy.
|
| Which is why I'm a bit surprised you published this, aren't you
| afraid of people, uh, disliking the fact that they're present in
| your dataset?
| jchw wrote:
| AT proto is an open network. Everything you do is public by
| default. e.g. anyone else can just drink from the firehose.
| zdimension wrote:
| Yeah, but that doesn't solve the data privacy problem. Not
| that I care, I'd love to be able to do all sorts of stuff
| with scraped datasets.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| One would hope the people on bluesky understand that
| they're posting publically to a centralized database. What
| data privacy problem are you concerned with?
| Etheryte wrote:
| Hard to overstate just how much I like this. Not only does the
| end result convey information in many dimensions, it's also
| extremely appealing visually. The graininess that stems from
| rendering such a large number of nodes really adds a nice touch
| here, something that you don't often see in other graph
| visualizations.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| The visualization looks absolutely fantastic. Great work. Would
| love to dive deeper into the tech behind it.
|
| I'll just share some irony. They say X/Twitter is full of people
| spreading hate speech. I just logged in into my old BlueSky
| account. My entire feed is full of people saying how much they
| _hate_ X/Twitter.
| jamwil wrote:
| Hate speech is derogatory or harmful speech targeted at a
| marginalized community. Hating a company or product is not the
| same thing.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| I just clicked "Discover" to see popular posts.
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/lepapillonblue.bsky.social/post/3la.
| ..
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/sethabramson.bsky.social/post/3larj.
| ..
|
| https://bsky.app/profile/browneyedsusan.bsky.social/post/3la.
| ..
| minimaxir wrote:
| None of that is remotely close to hate speech. President
| Trump is not a marginalized community.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| Hate speech or not, there is nothing pleasant about it.
|
| The irony is that the 'holier-than-thou' crowd, who are
| against hate and for love all over the world,
| overwhelmingly post negative political comments and are
| rooting for X/Twitter to collapse.
|
| This ^ is a good problem to solve in social networks.
| rsynnott wrote:
| > This ^ is a good problem to solve in social networks.
|
| What, that people are mean about a very special website
| sometimes? Seems a rather niche problem, tbh.
|
| There is nothing inherently wrong with people being
| negative. If you had a social network where people could
| only be positive about things... now, that would be
| unhealthy.
| barbazoo wrote:
| It was about "hate speech" though, not "unpleasant
| speech", then you'd be right.
|
| Stop thinking in us/them, everybody hates someone or
| something and that's fine. That's not what hate speech is
| I think. Take one example from the Canadian govmnt:
|
| > The bill defines "hate speech" as the content of a
| communication that expresses detestation or vilification
| of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of
| a prohibited ground of discrimination.
|
| > These grounds of discrimination are race, national or
| ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual
| orientation, gender identity or expression, marital
| status, family status, genetic characteristics,
| disability, or conviction for an offence for which a
| pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record
| suspension has been ordered.
|
| https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl/chshc-
| lcdch/index.h...
|
| That's just one "official" definition of many obviously.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| Sure, there are clear differences between hate speech and
| unpleasant speech. I can't disagree on the definition.
| But I'm seeing a lot of hateful anti-Trump posts on
| BlueSky, and on X/Twitter, there's plenty of pro-Trump
| content. These two groups have polarized views, so they
| naturally clash.
|
| What I find ironic is that BlueSky has many openly anti-
| Trump posts, while X/Twitter tends to have a significant
| amount of pro-Trump content. Because many minority and
| marginalized groups lean anti-Trump, again, these
| opposing viewpoints naturally clash, often leading to
| Twitter being labeled as a "hate speech platform". Yet on
| BlueSky, there's no problem with people openly
| criticizing or spreading negativity about pro-Trump
| people. Since Trump supporters don't typically fall into
| minority categories, it seems BlueSky users have the
| "privilege" to freely bash the Twitter crowd without
| facing the same scrutiny. Essentially, BlueSky is
| shielded from the hate speech label despite fostering a
| different kind of polarized environment.
| jrflowers wrote:
| It isn't ironic to dislike intolerant people or to voice
| it. It is an individual's prerogative to imagine that
| tolerance must be completely uniform, but that doesn't
| reflect the reality of groups or systems made up of
| actual humans.
|
| Here is a relevant article
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
| bastardoperator wrote:
| Social networks require drama in order to stay relevant,
| this is baked in and by design. Capitalist love this
| feature. Also you'll never get 100's of millions of
| people to agree on anything.
|
| Is it really fare to compare a political cartoon to the
| garbage twitter is allowing? I might still visit twitter
| if it wasn't so out of control.
| rsynnott wrote:
| ... So, wait, two political cartoons (the first one's been
| on the go for years; it's pretty much a classic at this
| point) and a cat? Like, unless you're going to claim that
| ol' minihands is a marginalised group of one, very hard to
| read any of these as hate speech. Actually, even if one
| _was_ to accept that obviously silly premise, still
| probably not. Maybe the cat, at a serious push.
| throw7 wrote:
| So derogatory or harmful speech toward white people is
| perfectly fine.
| jkestner wrote:
| Corporations are people, my friend. This is being tested
| again with anti-boycott laws and lawsuits.
| Retr0id wrote:
| https://bsky.app/profile/mnateshyamalan.bsky.social/post/3ju...
| beardicus wrote:
| Seems weird to find irony there, unless you think people and
| websites are the same thing.
| YetAnotherNick wrote:
| While I don't think it's technically hate speech, but yeah
| bluesky is either just unanimous negativity or positivity for
| different things, and it feels like groupthink. There is no
| middle ground.
| minimaxir wrote:
| Almost all social networks have been ideologically polarized
| since 2016. It's not new or specific to Bluesky.
|
| The only reason Hacker News avoided that fate is due to
| downvote/flag mechanisms.
| bigstrat2003 wrote:
| > The only reason Hacker News avoided that fate
|
| It hasn't avoided that fate. If you doubt me, go into a
| thread about US politics and praise Donald Trump and watch
| as your comments get not just downvoted, but flagged so
| that they are hidden. This will happen no matter how good
| your arguments are.
|
| Make no mistake, this site is ideologically polarized just
| like all the others. The only saving grace is that the vast
| majority of topics are about tech, not politics, so the
| polarization is usually hidden.
| jacoblambda wrote:
| That's a current wave going through. There's a bit of discourse
| going on where some users were rage baiting by constantly
| posting twitter screenshots over to bluesky and people who left
| bluesky are pushing back about how they don't want to see that
| content.
|
| That discourse comes in waves each time a major migration
| happens from twitter to bluesky but it settles down fairly soon
| after each time. Give it a few days and people will have moved
| on to the new topic of the day.
|
| Also it's worth noting that the "Discover" feed is trained
| specifically per person so while the defaults aren't great, if
| you use the "show more like this" and "show less like this"
| options on posts (under the triple dot) then pretty quickly it
| tunes in towards content you care about vs content you don't.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| That's a reasonable explanation. Thanks.
|
| > Also it's worth noting that the "Discover" feed is trained
| specifically per person so while the defaults aren't great,
| if you use the "show more like this" and "show less like
| this" options on posts (under the triple dot) then pretty
| quickly it tunes in towards content you care about vs content
| you don't.
|
| This is the first time I clicked "Discover". I haven't logged
| into BlueSky for almost two years.
| rsynnott wrote:
| For the avoidance of doubt, saying you hate a website is not
| hate speech. That is not what hate speech means.
| yen223 wrote:
| > They say X/Twitter is full of people spreading hate speech.
|
| I've recently created a brand new account on X for a project.
| Looking at what was being recommended to the brand-new account
| with no interactions or likes or anything, they are not wrong.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| Can you share some examples?
| yen223 wrote:
| Within the first 15 recommended posts or so there was
|
| - a post about how Canada is overrun by Indians
|
| - a post about how Melbourne is overrun by n-worders (they
| replaced the Gs with PSs)
|
| - a post about how a trans person is ugly
|
| - 2 "nudes in bio" bot posts. This was not hate speech, and
| arguably the most positive posts I got.
|
| This is not counting the Elon posts and the Trump posts,
| which were the first and second thing that got recommended.
| Nor the posts from Elon Musk imitators, who I assume are
| trying to take advantage of the fact that Elon Musk gets
| special treatment from the algorithm.
|
| When you create a new account, X asks you to follow an
| account to determine what your interests are. I picked
| NASA. I did not get recommended a single space photo.
| declan_roberts wrote:
| Bluesky to me still seems like a place completely dominated by
| software type (HN crowd). I know there are obvious exceptions
| there's no need for you to list them.
|
| Threads has extreme normies, bluesky has the nerds, and twitter
| seems to have just the right mixture of both.
| YetAnotherNick wrote:
| Bluesky seems to be also very common among artists.
| kps wrote:
| The mid-October bump was artists discovering that posting on
| Twitter allows them to use posts for training AI.
|
| https://bskycharts.edavis.dev/bluesky-year.html
| jsheard wrote:
| That and the change to how blocking works on Twitter, which
| coincided with the AI policy change.
| YetAnotherNick wrote:
| If Bluesky is decentralized, can't twitter still train on
| Bluesky posts?
| rsynnott wrote:
| There's arguably a moral difference between having your
| stuff stolen, and giving it up as part of the TOS. Most
| artists, you'd assume, would prefer the former.
| YetAnotherNick wrote:
| Bluesky's TOS[1]:
|
| > You grant us permission to: Use User Content to
| develop, provide, and improve Bluesky Social, the AT
| Protocol, and any of our future offerings
|
| [1]: https://bsky.social/about/support/tos#user-content
| anamexis wrote:
| I won't list out exceptions, but my Bluesky experience is not
| at all how you describe. Obviously it just depends on who you
| follow, but I don't think "dominated by software type"
| describes the Bluesky demographic as a whole, and it hasn't for
| some time.
| seanvelasco wrote:
| if you don't follow anyone, like me, the timeline is
| dominated by journalists, furries, and people who post
| nudity. i'm not saying these are bad, just an observation.
| joelg wrote:
| one of my biggest subjective takeaways from spending hours
| scrolling around the map is that my impression that the
| userbase was dominated by software types was ~mostly wrong!
| feels like less than half, and the rest is huge swaths of
| normie, artist, furry, and media people
| sundarurfriend wrote:
| This thread (no pun intended) is the first I'm hearing that
| anyone uses Threads at all. To me, it seemed like after the
| initial week or so, there was only bots left on Threads, trying
| to hook people to the person's Instagram, or whatever other
| place they actually post content at.
| jsheard wrote:
| Threads is the highest ranked "social" app on the Play Store
| right now, so a lot of real people must be using it despite
| appearances. Next down the list is TikTok, then Instagram,
| Bluesky, Facebook, X (below Bluesky!), and finally Reddit.
| dgellow wrote:
| I'm pretty sure app stores rankings are regional. You
| should mention your region and device type if you want
| others to compare
| threeseed wrote:
| Also at least here in Australia, Threads is ranked #3 of
| all free iOS apps.
|
| And it's been in the top 3 ever since it launched a year
| ago. X is #69.
| spankalee wrote:
| There's starting to be lots of news and politics sources on
| there. The Swifties are moving over, there's a nice "BlackSky"
| movement, and there's a bit of sports popping up now too.
| Karrot_Kream wrote:
| I find Mastodon much more dominated by that crowd. Bluesky
| seems to have a decent mix of software nerds and artists, but
| yes there's definitely a "nerd" bias there that Threads doesn't
| have which is more aggressively "normie".
| seanvelasco wrote:
| > dominated by software type (HN crowd)
|
| i find this very surprising. i don't see a lot of technical
| people out there, except for the bsky devs or devs who are
| building apps on top of atproto.
|
| i've visited bluesky enough over the months, and to me, there's
| 3 types of users you will always see on the Discover or What's
| Hot timeline - journalists, furries, and people who post
| nudity.
|
| tech people are still on twitter. i feel like the "exodus" of
| tech people following the election are just them making an
| account, and then returning to X after some time. it happened
| then during the private beta, and i feel like the same is
| happening now
| parsimo2010 wrote:
| That looks really cool. I would also be interested to see
| examples of what commonality links the clusters of nodes- like
| are there clusters of people with the same hobby? Are there
| clusters of people speaking the same language, or living in the
| same city?
|
| Another thought since Bluesky is a pretty inclusive place, are
| the LGBTQIA+ folks clustering into their own respective labels,
| or is everyone mixing together? Is any of this behavior similar
| or different to what we see on other social networks?
| treyd wrote:
| Those groups are more on Mastodon.
| rsynnott wrote:
| Nah, lots of LGBT+ people on Bluesky, too. Especially in the
| last week or so.
| bradgessler wrote:
| The best thing about Bluesky is you can use your domain as your
| username. I'm @bradgessler.com on there, so if people want to
| "verify" me, they see something more meaningful than a blue
| checkbox, which is my website.
|
| If I ever get blocked, banned, deplatformed, whatever--people
| would see my domain and be able to go there to determine what's
| going on. In a sense it's "censorship-evident".
|
| I think this will be great for businesses--it's so much more less
| ambiguous if I can @example.com a business and get a response. I
| put a starter pack together of SaaS built on Rails that's already
| doing this at https://go.bsky.app/JQyXa2u
|
| I really like what BlueSky is doing and hope it doesn't get
| enshitified as the future plays out. Even if it does, it seems
| like now is a goldilocks moment where things are feeling really
| good there.
|
| I highly recommend spending the 5 minutes it takes to setup an
| account and point it at your domain.
| ZacnyLos wrote:
| Verifying your identity on Mastodon is for everyone as well and
| based on open web standards.
|
| https://joinmastodon.org/verification
| bradgessler wrote:
| Problem with Mastodon is you're forced to associate with the
| identity of the sever or run your own instance, both of which
| are very awkward.
|
| I'm @bradgessler@ruby.social, but I'm more than a Ruby dev.
|
| I could run a Mastadon instance for bradgessler.com, but I
| have no desire to spend even 3 minutes figuring out how to
| set all that up. Maintaining my own instance sounds even
| worse.
|
| Bluesky gets the ergonomics of this right: the usernames feel
| like they occupy a global namespace and I can point the
| aliases at my domains in a few minutes without having to
| worry about a bunch of standards that I don't really care
| about.
|
| For some reason I can't explain, it also really bothers me
| that I have to @ people on Mastadon via
| @brad@bradgessler.com. I don't want to say "@" twice if I'm
| verbally telling somebody where to find me when presenting
| and "@me@bradgessler" is weird too. Much easier to say
| "Follow me @bradgessler.com"
|
| Am I lazy? Yes, but most people are. Bluesky strikes a nice
| balance of control and identity that I'm comfortable with for
| the amount of time and effort I'm willing to put into it.
| panic wrote:
| It's possible to set up a Mastodon alias using WebFinger:
| https://domenicoluciani.com/2022/11/19/how-to-create-
| mastodo...
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Neat thing about BlueSky using DNS TXT record is I don't
| actually have to host a landing page. The way mastodon does
| it feels like a quid pro quo way of making you put a mastodon
| icon on your website. Bluesky is really good for corporate
| and government users who can get an @name.whitehouse.gov
| account or @name.npr.org etc without polluting the npr.org
| markup with a thousand "rel" links for each of their
| employees. I think bluesky is thinking about a different
| audience than mastodon.
|
| Also I took a look at https://mastodonapp.uk/@stephenfry as
| an example of a verified profile and the UX is quite bad.
| Green check in a green box with a green border. The title tag
| just says "Website" and there's no indication of what it
| means.
| extraduder_ire wrote:
| The default handles (ending in .bsky.social) you get from
| signing up also redirect to your profile on bsky.app by
| default. Even if someone has no idea what bluesky is, they can
| load up that URL (even with the @) and be looking at your
| social profile right away.
| typical182 wrote:
| Bluesky and atproto seem to be built to be hackable.
|
| Someone in the community recently built a searchable directory of
| Bluesky "Starter Packs" (which are a way for a user to publish a
| set of interesting people & feeds to follow, primarily to help
| newcomers bootstrap their experience):
|
| https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all
|
| Dan Abramov posted about it earlier today, saying he liked it
| and:
|
| "the fact that it can be done in the ecosystem is awesome. let
| the ecosystem cook" [1]
|
| And maybe more poignantly:
|
| "seeing random projects pop up in the atproto ecosystem reminds
| me just how much public web common were stifled by social
| companies closing down their APIs. an entire landscape of tools
| given up on and abandoned" [2]
|
| [1] https://bsky.app/profile/danabra.mov/post/3lar3sdna222d
|
| [2] https://bsky.app/profile/danabra.mov/post/3lar3xpuu4c2d
| mhartz wrote:
| Wasn't this also sort of a feature with Twitter? iirc the
| retweet and other now popular features were originally hacked
| together by users
| frabcus wrote:
| Retweet was original using the text "RT". Hashtags were also
| invented by Twitter users.
| FranklinMaillot wrote:
| Wasn't the @ also invented by users? I remember it was
| fascinating to watch this network self organize and create
| conventions of its own, that are now used everywhere.
| rsynnott wrote:
| Also hashtags. Though I think some of this stuff came
| from other social networks.
| singleshot_ wrote:
| Seems to me like Jarkko Oikarinen or one of his crew
| invented hashtags, no? Denoting the context of your
| communication with something like #warez or #hack
| significantly predates web2.0.
| chefandy wrote:
| That use-- to define IRC channels-- seems distinctly
| different than Twitter hashtags to tag individual posts.
| I wouldn't be surprised if hash tags started as a nod to
| that, perhaps even jokingly, but I don't think you could
| consider them a descendent.
| sph wrote:
| Rather I think Twitter-style hashtags take inspiration
| from IRC channels in the format of # _topic_
|
| Because channel names are not hashtags. The syntax is
| purely because IRC is a text-based protocol, so you need
| a special way to distinguish channel names from regular
| text.
| extraduder_ire wrote:
| # also has the advantage of being on a key on a T9 keypad
| while using twitter over SMS was in style.
| soco wrote:
| I think reblogs as a technical feature were added first in
| 2009 by Tumblr and slightly later adopted by Twitter - not
| that it matters in this context.
| skybrian wrote:
| Hashtags were invented. It's a convention that happened to
| work well with Twitter's search engine.
| xavdid wrote:
| The word "tweet" itself came from a 3rd party developer:
|
| > The Iconfactory was developing a Twitter application in
| 2006 called "Twitterrific" and developer Craig Hockenberry
| began a search for a shorter way to refer to "Post a Twitter
| Update."
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweet_(social_media)#History
| nuz wrote:
| Another argument is that it could lead to a bot problem 10x
| worse than twitters ever was.
| jsheard wrote:
| The Twitter bot situation only seems to have got worse since
| they shut down free API access. LLM engagement farming bots
| everywhere in replies, hordes of scam bots replying if you
| use certain keywords, porn bots following and DMing everyone
| non-stop...
|
| Evidently the people running the bots don't really care
| whether or not you give them an API to work with.
| Pxtl wrote:
| Reminds me of this meme:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/webscraping/comments/w1ve97/virgin
| _...
| Retr0id wrote:
| Presumably the bots weren't using the "proper" APIs even
| when they existed, so as to be less easily detectable.
| extraduder_ire wrote:
| I think that coincided with them removing phone number
| verification for accounts. Probably due to my browser
| looking unusual (content blocker, linux user-agent string,
| other addons) any time I set up a new account and used it
| for a few minutes a few years ago, it'd lock the account
| and redirect every logged in page to one demanding SMS
| verification to unlock the account.
|
| I would usually get support to manually unlock it after a
| few days by emailing them and mentioning why I didn't want
| to give them a phone number. Now the process only involves
| solving captchas. (and maybe some hidden waiting)
| sneak wrote:
| Computers that are operated by humans that are using APIs
| designed for computers is not a bug, but a feature.
| nonethewiser wrote:
| Well yeah that's why you can expect it to increase 10x
| realusername wrote:
| I'm not sure you could be worse than Twitter right now on
| bots unless you are pursposely trying to be worse.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Check out bluesky's "labeling services", I think it will be a
| very simple matter to crowdsource lists of obvious bots and
| prevent their having any reach. You can create bots that make
| as many posts as you want, but bots aren't entitled to being
| included in any feed. It comes down to the posts that the
| relay choose to aggregate, and what the appview chooses to
| display according to user preferences.
| zft wrote:
| Starterpacks are great, what about seeing what is current top
| engaging accounts ? https://www.graphtracks.com
| consumer451 wrote:
| That's the best looking Bsky tool that I've seen so far.
| Nice!
| arcalinea wrote:
| Yep, we intentionally built it to be hackable! We believe that
| social media will improve when people are free to build on it,
| change it, fork it, and remix it. Bluesky and the atproto
| ecosystem can evolve as fast as users and developers want them
| to.
| godelski wrote:
| I was contemplating coming over, but this comment is the most
| convincing to me.
|
| I think one of the fatal flaws tech companies have been making
| is locking things in. But what made the computer so great, what
| made the smartphone so great, was to make them hackable. You
| build environments, you build ecosystems. Lockin only slows you
| down. I mean how long would it have taken for smartphones to
| have a flashlight if it weren't for apps? A stopwatch? These
| were apps before they were built into the operating systems.
| SubiculumCode wrote:
| A lot of high profile commentators were waiting until after the
| election to move to Bluesky. They felt that they'd be giving up
| their influence if they left then, but now that the election is
| over they have time to rebuild onto a new platform. Bluesky seems
| quite nice. I was on Mastadon for a while, but after the initial
| burst of activity, its silo-like orientation led to stagnant
| servers. That is, it neither fully embraced the community-first
| services that Discord provides, nor the easy-discoverability of
| open-platform of Twitter/X/.
|
| Also, this may seem silly, but I like the butterfly logo.
| pohl wrote:
| There's another narrative that I've heard about the recent
| flood of former-X users into Bluesky: a new Terms of Service
| document goes into effect in about 4 days, giving X ownership
| of your content with respect to its use in training LLMs.
| notconsidering wrote:
| Great. A place for narcissistic psycopathats to hang. Just like
| Reddit.
|
| so we can keep the rest of the internet clean.
| dylan604 wrote:
| "We can't make a map of all of Twitter, because the data isn't
| available and scraping it would be difficult and illegal."
|
| What makes scraping illegal?
| barbazoo wrote:
| Perhaps even the threat of being sued might be enough to even
| consider doing this.
| atemerev wrote:
| Nothing. A precedent determining that scraping is legal is
| already established.
| minimaxir wrote:
| "legal" doesn't imply that Twitter/X won't send a C&D due to
| scraping that is expensive for a normal person to fight.
| Moreso if Twitter/X invokes the CFAA which has been common
| for scraping cases post HiQ vs. LinkedIn.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| not if its behind a login wall.
| fragmede wrote:
| The LinkedIn vs HiQ case makes it so that scraping data behind
| a login screen is not okay but publicly accessible pages are
| fair game.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Was this the main reasoning for moving everything behind
| login more than data hoarding of the viewers?
| fragmede wrote:
| My personal belief is yes. Legal talks to management after
| the case concludes, tells them this is the new reality, and
| management tells product to make the change.
|
| At no time is management obligated or even remotely
| motivated to tell end users the real reason for making the
| change, because users believing that the platform is just a
| greedy corporation is better than them realizing that the
| platform will just roll over if the police presents them
| with a subpoena to snitch on a user.
| mapt wrote:
| Post-2024, with Elon running the government as
| fiscal/regulatory czar, Twitter policy is evidently stronger
| than judicial interpretation of Constitutional rights.
| dylan604 wrote:
| What happens to Twitter when Musk has to step down from his
| roles with Twitter/SpaceX/Tesla? Will sanity be allowed to
| fill the void? I really doubt anything at SpaceX/Tesla
| changes, but Twitter has the most wiggle room under someone
| else's leadership
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Why would he step down? He doesn't seem the type to give up
| power just because something shiny is taking his attention.
| It's not like the incoming administration has signed a
| pledge to avoid conflicts of interest or anything
| TinkersW wrote:
| Twitter used to be a left wing cesspool, and now is turning into
| a right wing one..
|
| Recently I tried mastodon, looked up the gamedev channel, and it
| was 100% left wing cesspool LGBTA(or whatever the letters are)
| nonsense.
|
| When I went to Bluesky just now(no account), it just shows
| endless political spam from what appears to be insane people.
|
| I think we might all be better off if all 3 ceased to exist..
| Karrot_Kream wrote:
| Huge social media sites are not going to be legible without
| some sort of preference function from the individual. Whether
| that's follows, hashtags/keywords, or engagement-oriented
| algorithms, that's the way. If you're not the kind of person
| who enjoys socializing In The Large that's fine. That's what
| topical sites (like Reddit, HN) or group chats are for.
| krapp wrote:
| People are still making lame jokes about how "confusing" the
| LGBT acronym is? Get some new material.
| atemerev wrote:
| Scraping data is not illegal. Everything a human can see, can be
| legally scraped.
| openrisk wrote:
| > Building and querying the quadtree is intrinsically
| heirarchical
|
| Glad to see I am not the only one having problems with hierarchy.
|
| Interesting work at many levels (no, no pun): starting with the
| bluesky data availability, the processing and the visualization
| algorithms.
|
| But its not quite clear where to place these visualizations in
| the data science spectrum. Conventional numerical graphics have
| (over time) developed a sophisticated grammar that allows fairly
| precise reasoning and inference. So they are heavily used in
| scientific publications, in the financial sector etc. for real
| information transmission (People might even reverse engineer a
| plot to recover data!).
|
| With networks and graphs, besides a general feel for the topology
| / connectivity or clustering its kinda hard to pin down what is
| the transmitted information. Not clear if useful grammars
| covering such large graphs are yet to be invented or if this is
| the nature of the beast.
| josefresco wrote:
| I must be one of those tiny dots just floating in nothingness
| because my BSKY feed is a dead zone. I've posted, I've replied,
| I've liked and tried to be an active participant but nothing
| seems to stick. There's only so many posts I can publish "for
| myself" before I lose interest.
|
| Contrast this with early Twitter where everyone was just super
| excited, and eager to follow new people. I don't get it,
| shouldn't a new social network be full of people looking to
| create new... social networks?
| fsflover wrote:
| Did you try Mastodon? Many have a better experience there.
| josteink wrote:
| Mastadon has a massive problem with furries, people with loli
| anime-avatars or people who fit the <<purple haired>>
| stereotype.
|
| It's very off-putting and alienating for normal people.
| fsflover wrote:
| It strongly depends on the instance. You don't have to read
| the global timeline.
| chefandy wrote:
| The tough thing is that for the vast majority of end
| users, the interface that they see _is_ the software or
| service. So if their instance has a bunch of disgusting
| pornography, as far as they're concerned, mastodon has a
| bunch of disgusting pornography. For a lot of folks, the
| browser /server abstraction for regular websites and how
| that differs from native apps is about as far as they're
| willing to go in their understanding of Internet
| architecture and for many, it's too far. Requiring people
| understand that not all mastodon is mastodon despite it
| being kind of the same, in order to avoid explicit
| hentai, is a non-starter. My grandparents are dead, but
| they would probably take their computer out back and set
| it on fire if that shit flashed up on their screen. They
| sure wouldn't have used it as an opportunity to get all
| of the base knowledge they needed to even realize they
| had to instance shop. Facebook is just riiiiight over
| there.
| lepus wrote:
| If you have a problem with too many furry posts I have bad
| news for you about Bluesky
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Bluesky is trying to differentiate itself with moderation
| tools -- people have created lists of furry accounts so
| you can bulk-ignore. But yeah I haven't found my "people"
| there yet, most of the activity is people I wouldn't
| choose to interact with.
| saila wrote:
| I used to see a lot of furry accounts in the Discover
| feed, but I mute them when I see them, and now I rarely
| see them any more. I don't have anything against furries,
| but it's not content I'm interested in. This is more a
| comment that Bluesky does seem to have an algorithm (at
| least in the Discover feed) that is sensitive to what you
| do or don't show interest in. Or it could just be that a
| lot more people have joined recently, so the furry stuff
| just isn't as prevalent.
| extraduder_ire wrote:
| Discover has a separate "show more/less like this" button
| too.
|
| Every feed on the site is its own algorithm, and most are
| made by third-parties. Some of the more interesting ones
| have fallen over and broken a little as the volume of
| posts has increased. The various "catch up" feeds that
| show the most popular recent posts give a good impression
| of what's happening site wide (minus any blocks/mutes).
| kstrauser wrote:
| Mastodon's only algorithm is newest-on-top, so your
| complaint is that the people you're following seem strange
| to you. Uh, follow other people then.
| fckgw wrote:
| These are also "normal people", they just choose to express
| themselves differently.
|
| Maybe you should get over it?
| colesantiago wrote:
| Nobody important or relevant enough is moving to
| Mastodon.
| mjmsmith wrote:
| If it always remains so, I'm never leaving.
| djbusby wrote:
| One can engage on multiple platforms. Don't have to leave
| something else to use Mastodon.
| colesantiago wrote:
| > One can engage on multiple platforms. Don't have to
| leave something else to use Mastodon.
|
| Sure, and those who have a technically savvy audience can
| use Mastodon can post on multiple platforms.
|
| In this instance of bad changes X has made, the majority
| of those who are moving away from X this time round are
| more likely not going to engage on Mastodon as a second
| platform.
|
| Too much hassle for them.
|
| They are more likely to engage on platforms that have
| more engagement, like Bluesky or Threads.
|
| I cannot see artists, journalists, etc going to Mastodon
| when X makes changes to their platform time and time
| again.
| rsynnott wrote:
| Twitter and Bluesky are also full of furries. Frankly, if
| your social network lacks furries, it is probably in
| trouble; they seem to be a viability indicator.
|
| (Not that it's a guarantee of anything; notably, SecondLife
| is essentially _only_ furries.)
| Applejinx wrote:
| "Bot rings show up clearly exposed, for one."
|
| I like the sound of that. Surely there's usefulness in that
| observation.
| loevborg wrote:
| I'm part of the wave of users who migrated to bluesky last week.
| I have to say I really like it so far, which surprised me a bit
| given that I had been underwhelmed by mastodon before. I already
| spend more time in bluesky than in twitter.
|
| For those (like me) who don't know what bluesky is, it's
| basically a carbon copy of twitter circa 2015, down to an almost
| identical UI. Except that there's no monetization, no ads, no
| growth hacking, which means that in the main features are there
| to serve the user. My favorite example is the simple expo/react
| native based mobile app, which lets you open links in safari
| rather than a useless in-app browser.
| testfoobar wrote:
| How does it compare to Threads?
| wittekm wrote:
| Anecdotally, I see a lot more "normal" human to human
| engagement than the addressed-to-millions engagement bait I
| see on Threads.
| msluyter wrote:
| At some point Threads started to suppress (or at least, not
| boost?) political content or news. Which sort of crippled it
| as a "current events + hot takes" Twitter/X competitor.
| Bluesky doesn't appear to have this limitation (though
| perhaps for some this is a feature).
| kristofferR wrote:
| https://about.instagram.com/blog/announcements/continuing-
| ou...
| Pxtl wrote:
| The loudest complaint I see about threads (lack of
| hyperlinks) doesn't apply there. Also, Threads seems
| _covered_ in growth-hacking dark patterns, like the
| notification /activity screen being flooded with "picked for
| you".
|
| edit: my big worry about BSky is the lack of any coherent
| monetization plan. This isn't community-funded stuff like
| Mastodon, it's VC-funded software - there will be a need for
| revenue at some point and then what happens?
| threeseed wrote:
| > notification/activity screen being flooded with "picked
| for you"
|
| Strange. Have been on Threads since launch and have never
| seen this.
|
| Nor have I seen any growth-hacking dark patterns other than
| the For You algorithm pushing high-engagement content which
| they've said they are sorting out. But a lot of this is
| because Threads has the legacy of being built on Instagram.
| consumer451 wrote:
| > my big worry about BSky is the lack of any coherent
| monetization plan.
|
| That's a reasonable concern. I assumed there would be ads
| at some point, but that's not the way that they are going
| for now.
|
| > we will begin developing a subscription model for
| features like higher quality video uploads or profile
| customizations like colors and avatar frames.
|
| https://bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2024-series-a
| ZacnyLos wrote:
| > it's basically a carbon copy of twitter circa 2015, down to
| an almost identical UI. Except that there's no monetization, no
| ads, no growth hacking, which means that in the main features
| are there to serve the user
|
| Wow, that's just like Mastodon.
| Pxtl wrote:
| BlueSky's big killer features that Mastodon fails at:
|
| 1) Better (optional) algorithmic feeds. Mastodon's "explore"
| is weaker than Bluesky's "popular with friends" and
| "discover"
|
| 2) Quote-tweets.
|
| 3) Easier onboarding. Mastodon forces you to care about which
| server you're on and it _does_ matter and migrating later is
| hard. Meanwhile, BSky has "starter packs" that people can
| produce for each other with lists of users to follow to
| easily jump into a community.
|
| 4) Username-as-domain is better than the Mastodon "confirmed
| links in profile" thing for self-verified accounts.
|
| I wish the properly-federated OSS community-funded one had
| won but I'll take either to be done with Twitter.
| panic wrote:
| I don't think either platform is going to "win" in the
| sense of reaching the size and influence of Twitter, but
| both will hopefully be more resilient than Twitter was.
| sph wrote:
| I tried it, the tech seems cool but I'd like more diversity.
| Now that Twitter mostly is crypto scams and American far-right
| political nonsense, I'd like something a little more
| interesting than American far-left political nonsense.
|
| The world is much larger than American or Western internet
| drama, and there seems to be no way to escape it. As a European
| reading any mainstream social media, BlueSky included, makes me
| roll my eyes out of their orbit.
|
| I do not care about politics or gender identity or keyboard
| activism. Can we please have something else on the menu?
| Literally anything else. I wonder if I should learn Russian or
| Chinese to be exposed to something new which isn't US politics
| or which gender people are most attracted to in their private
| lives. Who gives a damn. /rant
|
| (I enjoyed Nostr tech-wise, but it never broke past the
| cryptobro phase and that saddens me)
| lukev wrote:
| If you are good about curating your follows, you can get a
| nice nonpolitical feed on Bluesky.
|
| That said this is definitely not the week to try to calibrate
| that, since everyone currently has Big Feelings even if
| they're normally not overtly political.
| sph wrote:
| Fair enough. My issue is that it seems people have Big
| Feelings for one reason or another since 2015 and
| increasingly so. I really do not wish to have to work to
| train the "algo", especially when Twitter-like social media
| is worse than useless. It takes no time for my favourite
| people I follow to suddenly start spamming my timeline with
| the drama-du-jour.
|
| On these social networks, either you are (un)willingly
| enlisted in the American Culture Wars, or you're best
| served not using them at all.
| lukev wrote:
| No no that's my point: Bluesky has no algorithm. You see
| only the posts of people you follow, in order, and
| nothing else (unless you deliberately subscribe to
| "discovery" feeds.)
|
| So you have complete control.
| ndiddy wrote:
| Given that Bluesky is VC funded, I imagine it'll just be a
| matter of time until the monetization, ads, and growth hacking
| start. Enjoy it while you can, I suppose.
| fsflover wrote:
| Or avoid it if you value your time and effort:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42119658
| nomdep wrote:
| > "I filtered out accounts that follow more than 50k accounts, or
| follow less than 5 accounts and have less than 5 followers,
| leaving 7.7 million nodes."
|
| So not quite 13M but almost half of them, pretty cool nonetheless
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| As a broader comment about Bluesky, it seems to me that it's
| heavily left-leaning, while Twitter/X is obviously leaning more
| and more to the right. Amazingly, it seems that the BlueSky/X
| dichotomy is another emergent manifestation of a fracturing and
| continually more polarized society. In my opinion, what we will
| ultimately end up with is two echo chambers, each catering to
| opposite ends of the spectrum, each radicalizing their respective
| userbase, and each further amplifying the divide in society
| today.
| purplethinking wrote:
| I have no interest in being in a left-leaning bubble. I get
| both sides on X, so far. People think X has been leaning more
| and more to the right, but in truth it's just not being
| censored (sorry, moderated) anymore, leading to more right-
| leaning content. Leftists can't really tolerate any difference
| of opinion so they move to other platforms, it's sad. But I
| think they'll be bored and eventually come back for some more
| drama.
| MeetingsBrowser wrote:
| What specific type of content was being censored before Elon
| took over that is being allowed now?
| samatman wrote:
| I seem to recall at some point that that old Twitter banned
| the account of the sitting President of the United States.
|
| Later, Twitter banned a comedy account, the Babylon Bee.
| That pissed Elon off enough to buy it.
|
| Both are back on Twitter now, both the comedy account, and
| the politician who will be President for a second term in
| January, having won both the Electoral College and the
| popular vote.
|
| That's just two examples, but I would call them salient
| ones.
| nightski wrote:
| I created a new account and the feed was flooded with anti-X,
| anti-gop, anti-religion content. Don't get me wrong, it's not
| that any of those particularly bother me but it doesn't seem any
| different than X except without the people I follow.
| ZacnyLos wrote:
| On Mastodon there are no longer people dragged by the crowd,
| only those who have something interesting to say remain.
| kristofferR wrote:
| How do you guys crosspost to X, Threads, Mastadon and Bluesky?
| ZacnyLos wrote:
| Using Mastodon you can follow people from Bluesky and Threads
| if they only turn on sharing or use Bridgy Fed option as well.
| Mastodon is the most versatile piece of software.
| ZacnyLos wrote:
| Fortunately using Bridgy Fed we can connect BlueSky with
| Fediverse and IndieWeb.
|
| https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/
| rustyboy wrote:
| can I get a ELI10 on this - If I host a mastodon server, would
| I need to run this software along side it then and then
| everyone on my server could see these other platforms posts and
| such?
| extraduder_ire wrote:
| Accounts on any supported platform can follow the bot on
| their platform, and their posts get bridged to all the other
| ones as a subdomain of the bridgy bot. e.g. a mastodon
| instance with a handle for every bridged account.
|
| It changed to require opting in to bridging because many
| mastodon users got very mad about it.
| metadat wrote:
| _> What happens if we throw the BlueSky matrix into UMAP? Well,
| we can 't, at least not directly. Even though UMAP technically
| accepts sparse matrices, our scale is just to big for my home
| server. Instead, we can settle for using some other technique to
| derive embeddings for every user, in a medium-sized dimension
| like 32, and then feed that into UMAP. Easy!_
|
| How, exactly, are the embeddings derived?
| ZacnyLos wrote:
| Mastodon seems to be the most versatile app of all of them. With
| Mastodon account you can follow people from BlueSky (if they use
| BridgyFed) and people from Threads (if they turn on fediverse
| sharing).
| swat535 wrote:
| It looks like the Internet is now being compartmentalized based
| on one's political affiliation and groups.
|
| X is turning out to be where Conservatives are going to be
| living, Bluesky, Reddit and Treads will be for Liberals. These
| platform don't outright ban opposing views but I think moderation
| policies and the users will shift these groups into one or the
| other.
|
| I'm not sure if one can have a platform where respectful
| discourse can take place. The only site I've seen so far is HN
| and its due to its small community and the relentless effort by
| Dan.
|
| The days of having everyone connected on the same platform is now
| dead, which might ironically usher a revival of the old, non-
| centralized web.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Promise of bluesky is that different front ends can have
| different moderation policies, and you have account portability
| should you be prevented from interacting with bsky.app
| (provided you were self hosting your pod. I don't actually know
| if you can export your data if you are "banned" from the main
| instance, I'll have to look into that)
| gravico wrote:
| As a platform trying to connect aspiring founders with successful
| experts, is it worth creating a Bluesky grouping consisting of
| founders, ceo's and successful experts wanting to help aspiring
| founder. Goal is to gain traction for https://www.gravi.co
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| It would be interesting to see a community onboarded where
| everyone's username is a subdomain @name.gravi.co, so people
| know they're officially associated. There's lots of software
| folk there so it would probably be a good place to try.
| gravico wrote:
| Thanks, that's the plan where each expert has a dedicated
| subdomain (e.g., jazzyjackson.gravi.co), allowing them to
| showcase their profile and offer bookable consultancy slots
| for entrepreneurs seeking personalised advice, focusing on UK
| and Europe but tempted to target US which is a more mature
| and willing to explore and experiment market.
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