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       Sci-fi books that you may never have heard of, but definitely
       should read
        
       Author : bwb
       Score  : 67 points
       Date   : 2024-10-28 09:45 UTC (13 hours ago)
        
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       | bwb wrote:
       | Author Brian Guthrie shares some of his favorites and happy to
       | see that I have only read one of these.
        
       | freetonik wrote:
       | One of "you may never heard of" sci-fi books I can recommend is
       | The City & the City by China Mieville. Perhaps not traditional
       | science fiction, but so original and strange, it's beautiful.
        
         | JumpCrisscross wrote:
         | Seconded. One of those books that gives you a crisp metaphor
         | for something powerful you might not have noticed we all do,
         | thereby letting you observe yourself do it and describe it to
         | others. Best read _tabula rasa_.
        
           | defrost wrote:
           | Good book and one with a solid BBC adaption into a four part
           | mini series (2018)
           | 
           | https://thetvdb.com/series/345091-show
        
             | freetonik wrote:
             | It's remarkable that they decided to adopt it for TV,
             | because it's one of those novels that's very hard to
             | imagine to put onto a screen. The whole book felt, to me,
             | like I'm in a dream.
        
         | s-lambert wrote:
         | Embassytown, also by China Mieville, _is_ traditional sci-fi
         | and really good as well.
        
         | jhbadger wrote:
         | Weirdly, The City & the City reminds me of Martin Cruz Smith's
         | books like _Gorky Park_ set in the Soviet Union (or more
         | recently post-Soviet countries) in that it is a police
         | procedural set in a culture the reader presumably doesn 't
         | understand and so the reader is interested in learning how this
         | society functions as much as they are interested in seeing the
         | mystery solved. The difference of course is the societies in
         | The City & the City are of course fictional.
        
           | interludead wrote:
           | What aspects of the culture in The City & the City stood out
           | to you the most?
        
             | jhbadger wrote:
             | Mostly just the explanations of how the two cities could
             | function as separate entities while physically occupying
             | the same land through the use of legally mandated
             | "useeing". The author goes into detail how this works --
             | obviously at one level people see the people, vehicles,
             | etc. from the other city or they'd run into them, but on a
             | conscious level they act as if they don't exist.
        
         | tialaramex wrote:
         | I dislike both this and Mieville's Embassytown since in my
         | opinion both set out to mislead me and then do a reveal which
         | amounts "I misled you about what's really going on" and while
         | that works for a stand up comic beat (e.g. Taylor Tomlinson "he
         | cheated on me ... in my head") I don't want to read a whole
         | novel this way.
         | 
         | Perdido Street Station and Kraken I really enjoyed, but I
         | almost threw the book across the room for Embassytown once I
         | realised.
        
           | Annual wrote:
           | As someone who hated The City and The City to the point of
           | never reading Mieville again, I appreciate the warning for
           | Embassytown. I sometimes consider reading his stuff again but
           | I was genuinely offended by the trick in City. Like... I paid
           | money for this? No. It felt like contempt for his audience.
        
         | Annual wrote:
         | I hated it because it felt like a smug trick. Like, I know you
         | ordered steak and paid for steak, but I'm serving you a salad
         | because it's healthier for you, and if you complain it's just
         | your lack of taste.
        
       | A_D_E_P_T wrote:
       | Greg Egan's _Permutation City_ is #1 for me. It 's not only a
       | good read, it may be the most important work of late 20th century
       | philosophy. (Among other things, it _completely_ anticipated
       | Tegmark 's Mathematical Universe Hypothesis, and totally obviates
       | Bostrom's latest work.)
        
         | netdevnet wrote:
         | I am surprised there was no Egan book in the list. He's in the
         | top 5 of hard sci fi authors you should definitely read
        
           | freetonik wrote:
           | The list starts with Project Hail Mary, which is as far from
           | Egan as I can imagine on the science fiction spectrum.
        
           | bwb wrote:
           | We've got 10 lists with him as well:
           | https://shepherd.com/search/author/1445
           | 
           | You can see how they connected to him there too.
        
           | n4r9 wrote:
           | I think Egan is much better known than most (if not all) of
           | the authors in the list. I've heard of Andy Weir and Hugh
           | Howey, but not the particular books listed by them.
           | Conversely I've heard about Permutation City quite often.
        
         | jiggawatts wrote:
         | Reading Egan's works elevated my standard for what constitutes
         | a truly great novel: "If you don't _change_ as a person after
         | having it read it, it wasn 't that great."
         | 
         | Permutation City especially made me see the universe and my
         | part in it in a different light, or perhaps casting a shadow
         | onto it. I'll never be the same person as I was before I had
         | read it.
        
       | mnky9800n wrote:
       | Roadside picnic is a favourite of mine. I'm currently learning
       | Russian to reread it in the original Russian. But the translation
       | is very good and done by the authors themselves.
        
         | freetonik wrote:
         | I didn't know they've translated the book themselves! I often
         | feel like translations done by other people are missing
         | something fundamental of the spirit of the original. I'm
         | wondering if there is a list of books "translated into language
         | X by the author" somewhere.
        
           | lowdownbutter wrote:
           | The same thing occured to me a while back. There is this
           | wikipedia page about it but I didn't get much further than
           | that.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-translation
        
           | jhbadger wrote:
           | The problem is that translation isn't just about "capturing
           | the spirit of the original" but realizing where to keep
           | idioms and like from the original and where things need to be
           | changed to make the translation less clunky. This isn't
           | something just anyone can do. That's why people like Umberto
           | Eco, who was more or less fluent in English, still preferred
           | professional translators like William Weaver to translate his
           | Italian books into English.
        
         | wazoox wrote:
         | It's really one of the most haunting books I've ever read.
         | "Hard to be a God" is also very poignant.
        
           | eatonphil wrote:
           | The Dead Mountaineer's Inn is also good. A classic whodunnit
           | with a twist.
        
             | wazoox wrote:
             | I found it not as good, and somewhat predictable. Its
             | quirky humour didn't work on me, that's probably why I
             | didn't like it as much.
        
               | eatonphil wrote:
               | Fair enough! It was my intro to the Strugatsky brothers
               | and I was hooked.
        
               | wazoox wrote:
               | On the other hand it's not as soul crushing as the other
               | two mentioned :)
        
       | theshrike79 wrote:
       | The Machine Stops by E.M. Forster:
       | https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4711854-the-machine-stop...
       | 
       | 35 page short story and eerily reminiscent of today's world.
       | 
       | It was written in _1909_.
        
         | robin_reala wrote:
         | I keep on meaning to get around to a E. M. Forster _Short
         | Fiction_ compilation for Standard Ebooks. Maybe this will tip
         | me over the edge.
        
         | BizarroLand wrote:
         | https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/th...
        
       | hnmullany wrote:
       | These are all painfully mid reads. (The alien in Hail Mary is
       | about as alien as a rival fraternity brother.)
       | 
       | If you want real alien aliens, read Blindsight (Peter Watts).
        
         | berkes wrote:
         | > the alien in Hail Mary is about as alien as a rival
         | fraternity brother
         | 
         | You put that as critique, and I understand that. But for me,
         | this was actually the strength of the story. By making the
         | differences smaller, they are more focused, stronger, and give
         | opportunity to explore them in depth.
         | 
         | Same thing I like about many of the Black Mirror stories: often
         | they tweak, or magnify, just one parameter of our realistic,
         | current (western) lives and then explore the differences that
         | would bring.
        
           | tialaramex wrote:
           | But Black Mirror is _about_ us whereas the frustrating thing
           | with depictions of aliens is that they 're not us, that's
           | their defining feature.
        
             | berkes wrote:
             | Stories about aliens aren't meant to describe aliens as
             | theoretically correct as possible. Obviously.
             | 
             | Aliens are hardly ever more than a tool to get a
             | perspective. To look at humans, societies, structures etc.
             | They are also stories _about us_.
        
               | tialaramex wrote:
               | In a story like "The Day After the Day the Martians Came"
               | sure, the purpose of the aliens (Martians in that case)
               | is purely to tell us about us.
               | 
               | But you don't really need aliens for that, there are
               | several Black Mirror stories which do roughly the same
               | perspective trick, particularly "Men Against Fire".
               | Aliens offer an opportunity to explore something quite
               | different and it's always disappointing to see them used
               | as something less interesting.
               | 
               | It's like FTL. FTL is actually exactly equivalent to time
               | travel, and so it's disappointing, though commonplace to
               | see SF which decides to do FTL but no time travel (or
               | indeed vice versa though that's less common)..
               | 
               | I like Culture novels just fine, I like Greg Egan's
               | Amalgam setting (with aliens who are basically just us
               | again, although a bit less obviously so than a Star Trek
               | alien) just fine, but, in both cases I'm a little
               | disappointed. If your aliens aren't even as weird as the
               | _Octopus_ is (and we have no idea what the fuck is going
               | on with an Octopus) then you 're not really trying are
               | you?
        
         | lynx23 wrote:
         | Beware, you'll also get Vampires in space, which is so silly,
         | it kills the book.
        
           | AlphaAndOmega0 wrote:
           | They're a better depiction of Vampires than most, with Watts
           | doing everything he could to make them biologically plausible
           | (that can only go so far).
           | 
           | That being said, I found the way they were "shackled" to be
           | ridiculous. If you've got superintelligent and _superstrong_
           | predatory hominids running around, you have no reason to have
           | them physically free even if you put the medical safeguards
           | in place. Break their spines and sedate them when not in use!
           | 
           | Spoilers:
           | 
           | It seems weird to me that a society with other posthumans and
           | intelligent AGI would be bowled over quite so easily by the
           | vampires, but oh well.
        
             | lynx23 wrote:
             | They still killed the book for me. The underlying idea (no
             | spoilers) is absolutely great sci-fi. All this useless
             | blast-from-the-past did was make the story look silly to
             | me. Such a shame. He could have written a great sci-fi book
             | without superstition, alas, he apparently didn't want to be
             | talken serious....
        
             | randomcarbloke wrote:
             | disagree, the vampires are mostly abstracted away with hand
             | wavy "we couldn't possibly understand how they think",
             | interesting concept, the aliens are more interesting
             | though, and echopraxia was a bit of a dud.
        
           | therealdrag0 wrote:
           | I found suspension of disbelief very easy, just like most SF.
        
         | jillesvangurp wrote:
         | I read both of those. Peter Watts is a bit of an acquired
         | taste. Not for everyone. I actually enjoyed it but it's a weird
         | one. Genetically modified people that are effectively vampires,
         | a main protagonist with severe brain damage, etc. There's a
         | sequel to this too if you enjoy this.
         | 
         | The Hail Mary project was actually enjoyable. Andy Weir peaked
         | with the Martian his debut novel and this is kind of in the
         | same style. Maybe not as good but enjoyable.
        
         | interludead wrote:
         | Peter Watts really explores the concept of alien intelligence
         | in a way that challenges our perceptions
        
         | ahmedfromtunis wrote:
         | Thanks! I really like it when authors shock my neurons with
         | ideas they never even came close to entertain.
         | 
         | Alien aliens are always rare in sci-fi books. Although I really
         | struggled with the octopodes in Children of Ruin, so I'm not
         | sure if I'm ready yet.
         | 
         | Can someone please suggest books with novel, really alien forms
         | of life, social structures, etc.?
        
           | Zardoz89 wrote:
           | Diaspora by Greg Egan.
        
           | Annual wrote:
           | I vaguely remember The Gods Themselves by Asimov being a
           | strong contender here, but it's been decades since I read it.
           | 
           | Spider Robinson's "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon" series had a
           | story towards the end that blew my tiny little teenaged mind
           | back in the 90's.
           | 
           | Octavia Butler, of course. Xenogenesis.
        
         | ABraidotti wrote:
         | I've read the latest Weir book (Project Hail Mary) and the two
         | prominent Watts books (Blindsight and Echopraxia) recently and
         | they were all memorable but frustrating.
         | 
         | Weir writes like a blogger who also writes script treatments
         | but doesn't actually read novels. He throws plot at you every
         | page ("ok so this happened so I need to do this next") which
         | makes his books readable, but he has zero character
         | development. His characters appear, react to external stimuli
         | and solve problems, but don't change over time.
         | 
         | Watts's books, on the other hand, could use some of Weir's plot
         | juice. Very cool ideas and interesting scenes, but the plots
         | were hard to discern. I had no idea what needed to happen to
         | resolve conflict most of the time. Echopraxia was particularly
         | confusing. Watts did a Reddit AMA shortly after Echopraxia came
         | out where he was put on the spot to explain fundamental plot
         | elements.
         | 
         | Watts Reddit AMA:
         | https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2enwks/iama_science_f...
         | 
         | Watts also gave a real-sounding lecture on vampirism, which is
         | enjoyable if you liked that in his books:
         | https://youtu.be/wEOUaJW05bU?si=6fTMtmf9yA8JT9at
        
         | BLKNSLVR wrote:
         | I loved both of those books and their depictions of 'alien',
         | each for their own reasons.
         | 
         | Project Hail Mary is more... warm and fuzzy, but then one
         | doesn't read Peter Watts for warm and fuzzy...
        
         | Annual wrote:
         | Blindsight was the only sci Fi book I ever read that had
         | citations used non-ironically.
        
         | woleium wrote:
         | Solaris by Stanislaw Lem is the most alien alien i have ever
         | read. I read the old translation, but there is a new one now
         | (2011 by Bill Johnston ) direct from polish rather than via
         | french first
        
           | tialaramex wrote:
           | Golem XIV also gets at the fact that an artificial
           | intelligence needn't be anything like us either. The titular
           | Golem is capable of communicating with us but finds the
           | experience very frustrating because we're so very stupid,
           | while the perhaps even more intelligent Honest Annie doesn't
           | communicate with humans and is postulated to treat them the
           | same way we treat flies, a nuisance deserving no great
           | thought.
        
         | mariusor wrote:
         | If you're able to look past the "hard-sci-fi" vampires. I know
         | I wasn't.
        
       | sausagefeet wrote:
       | The Stars are Legion by Kameron Hurley is a really great, and
       | different read. Totally different world than a lot of sci-fi.
        
         | themadturk wrote:
         | It was a difficult book for me, but it was worth powering my
         | way through it.
        
       | _s_a_m_ wrote:
       | The problem with Project Hail Mary is that the audio book is good
       | but the book is not. First read the book and then listen to the
       | audio book and you know what I mean.
        
         | closewith wrote:
         | That's interesting. I found Project Hail Mary to be once of the
         | most disappointing second novels ever written and am surprised
         | at its reception. Is the audiobook meaningfully different?
        
           | _s_a_m_ wrote:
           | Yeah I also didn't like the book at all, it read like a cash
           | grab. However, just listen to a sample of the audio book,
           | it's just hilarious how much effort Ray put into making the
           | characters become alive. Certain significantly improving the
           | lack of writing, of course it can't fix the writing.
        
             | bwb wrote:
             | Please be kind; being an author is an incredibly hard
             | career, and people do it for the love of creating and
             | sharing a story. It is not a cash grab, and if you don't
             | like his writing style, just don't read his books. Books
             | are deeply personal and no reason to make a personal attack
             | because it isn't a match for your desired book style.
        
           | bwb wrote:
           | I liked it, he has his own style, and I love the
           | "productivity porn" vibe of it. Sometimes I need that in this
           | wild world.
        
           | mariusor wrote:
           | For pedantry's sake, "Project Hail Mary" is not Weir's second
           | novel. I think "Artemis" followed after The Martian. It's a
           | story set on the Moon with a strong female character, but I
           | can't remember much else about it. :D
        
         | lynx23 wrote:
         | I am curious, is the audio book abridged and the book far too
         | long? Or what else could it be?
        
           | _s_a_m_ wrote:
           | In my opinion Andy Weir is not a very good writer anyways, he
           | is ok. When the story is interesting enough that is typically
           | fine, like in The Martian. Hail Mary is too long certainly,
           | characters a little flat, however, Ray can fix the flat
           | characters in the audio book a little with his good voice
           | acting.
        
           | progbits wrote:
           | Without getting into spoilers, the very high quality
           | narration makes the story better.
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | I also found the film of _The Martian_ way better than the
         | book. I got so sick of reading about concentrations of gases
         | and stuff in painful detail. So yeah, good story, but not so
         | good writing. If _Project Hail Mary_ is anything like that then
         | I 'll give it a miss.
        
           | dagw wrote:
           | If you didn't like the 'painful detail' in The Martian, you
           | will positively hate Project Hail Mary. Much more of the
           | 'painful detail' as you call it with much less interesting
           | characters. If you loved The Martian (like I did) and enjoy
           | lots of random science-ish tangents and pseudo-engineering
           | problem solving, you'll find stuff to like in this book. But
           | it is a too long, worse written version of The Martian, with
           | a less interesting protagonist.
           | 
           | Weir tries to make the story more interesting by adding an
           | extra mystery to solve (the main character wakes up with
           | amnesia and has to piece together where he is and what he has
           | to do), but to me it really didn't work.
        
       | justinclift wrote:
       | Can't really take the recommendation for Beacon 23 seriously
       | after seeing the 1/2 half of the first tv episode. That was utter
       | crap and nonsensical. :(
        
         | jillesvangurp wrote:
         | I didn't know there was a tv series for this one. I read the
         | book ages ago; pretty OK. I wouldn't judge it by any failed
         | attempt to put it out on TV.
         | 
         | The same author also wrote the silo series. He tends to push
         | his books out in small portions but it's effectively a trilogy.
         | The series on Apple TV for that is actually pretty good. I
         | reread the books after completing season 1 a few months ago.
        
           | justinclift wrote:
           | Thanks. Tried to get into the series too, but end up just
           | reading the summary of things and the whole series just
           | sounds depressing. :(
        
         | bwb wrote:
         | Ya TV adaptations can fail for so many reasons that a book
         | succeeds at. I've read so many books that when translated to a
         | visual medium fail because of the people involved, see Wheel of
         | Time as that one was so bad...
        
       | justinclift wrote:
       | A _good_ sci-fi book is Birds of Paradise by Rudolf Kremers, who
       | was one of the developers for the PS3 game Eufloria back in the
       | day:
       | 
       | https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8XVRQBC
        
       | musha68k wrote:
       | More modern / post cyberpunk maybe but would add Infinite Detail
       | by Tim Maughan. I really liked the premise and the organic feel
       | vs a lot of other science fiction.
       | 
       | https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374175412/infinitedetail
        
       | RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
       | Another set is CS Lewis' Space Trilogy
       | 
       | Out of the Silent Planet Perelandra That Hideous Strength
       | 
       | Note that like a lot of CS Lewis, there is a very heavy Christian
       | view.
        
         | bwb wrote:
         | We've had 5 authors actually pick that one as a favorite, and
         | they connected it to some really interesting book lists:
         | https://shepherd.com/book/that-hideous-strength/book-lists
         | 
         | I love seeing something like this as it is awesome where their
         | minds go for what other books they connect it with...
        
         | Terr_ wrote:
         | While not Sci-Fi, I found that _The Screwtape Letters_ could
         | actually be enjoyed even from a fairly agnostic perspective, as
         | an allegorical dive into human cognitive foibles.
         | 
         | Though I suspect Lewis would be unhappy to hear that,
         | especially since he wrote a fourth-wall-adjacent bit about
         | devils preferring that humans don't believe in them.
        
         | mrob wrote:
         | Lewis was clearly intelligent and well educated in the
         | humanities, but I don't think he ever cared much about science.
         | IMO, the Space Trilogy is good writing but bad sci-fi.
        
         | themadturk wrote:
         | Of the three, I always loved _That Hideous Strength_ the most.
         | The first two, which I think are good, were too much like
         | travelogs, but the third had a pretty decent story.
        
       | nicolas_t wrote:
       | Let me throw my hat in the ring. I'd recommend Grass by Sheri S
       | Tepper. It felt fresh and original in a way few science fiction
       | books are, the characters are really well done and it just stays
       | with you. Despite being the first book of a trilogy, it works
       | well on its own.
        
         | ms_katonic wrote:
         | Yes!!! I would also recommend anything by Zenna Henderson.
        
       | hailpixel wrote:
       | I love this genre, and there is such a plethora of interesting
       | reads. I think one of the most interesting, in terms of
       | presenting technology's role in varied societies, is A Fire Upon
       | the Deep by Vernor Vinge. Great read if you are bored of the
       | classic space opera.
        
         | lapcat wrote:
         | > A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge
         | 
         | It's a great book, but everyone has heard of it already.
        
           | mmcdermott wrote:
           | I was talking to a fairly avid scifi reader who hadn't heard
           | of the book before.
           | 
           | It's always someone's day to be one of 10,000.
           | 
           | https://xkcd.com/1053/
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | I really like that, but I definitely thought _A Deepness in the
         | Sky_ was even better despite probably being considered
         | "classic space opera".
        
         | arethuza wrote:
         | And the prequel _A Deepness in the Sky_ is even better with
         | very alien aliens (and a neat way of hiding that alien-ness
         | from readers) and some very nasty antagonists with truly
         | terrifying technology in the form of  "focus".
         | 
         | Mind you, Vinge's _Rainbows End_ is also really good and set in
         | the near future with what may be an emerging AGI as a key
         | character.
        
       | anotherpaul wrote:
       | I really like the shepherd.com way of curating the
       | recommendation. Browsing trough books and picking something to
       | read has become much easier this way.
       | 
       | One scifi book that was very impactful to me is the black cloud
       | by Fred Hoyle. It's such a well thought out story and has held up
       | remarkably well for a 50 year old novel.
        
         | bwb wrote:
         | Thanks so much, that is super motivating for me :)
         | 
         | I am working to really improve genre and topic accuracy this
         | winter. Right now it is a mess. The data we pull in from
         | publishers is so messy. They don't know how to use the BISAC
         | classification system and they often mislabel sci-fi (among
         | others). I have a big upgrade coming to improve both our
         | systems (we use NLP/ML on the topic side).
        
       | bwb wrote:
       | hi all, founder of Shepherd here :)
       | 
       | If you want to share your 3 fav reads of the year, you can do
       | that here -> https://shepherd.com/bboy/my-3-fav-reads
       | 
       | You get a cool page like this ->
       | https://shepherd.com/bboy/2024/f/bwb
       | 
       | Plus, it goes into our "best books of 2024" voting ->
       | https://shepherd.com/bboy/2024
       | 
       | I am slowly getting more into place on this website, I have been
       | working on it for 3.5 years now.
        
       | ZeroGravitas wrote:
       | The SF Masterworks series is a good source of forgotten classics
       | in amongst the many super popular picks:
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Masterworks
        
       | daoboy wrote:
       | The Bobiverse Series by Dennis Taylor.
       | 
       | These books aren't anything that will change your life, but
       | they're well written and a lot of fun.
        
         | bwb wrote:
         | This is one of my all-time favorite series. I laugh so much
         | reading them, and the later books go heavy into really
         | interesting alien species. Authors love them as well:
         | https://shepherd.com/search/book/38814
         | 
         | Have you read any Peter Hamilton? He is another fav of mine.
        
           | daoboy wrote:
           | I have not read Peter Hamilton, but always looking for new
           | good books. Thanks for the recommendation!
        
             | bwb wrote:
             | I'd start with Pandora's Star, they are HUGE in scope, so
             | its a big book but worth it IMO.
        
               | BillSaysThis wrote:
               | I'd start with the Night's Dawn trilogy, I've read most
               | PFH except for his last few and those are my ATFs.
        
               | themadturk wrote:
               | Night's Dawn was the first Hamilton I read...and I've
               | read it once or twice since.
        
       | alphan0n wrote:
       | Just finished a very good audiobook, Fractal Noise by Christopher
       | Paolini and started another, To Sleep in a Sea of Stars by the
       | same author.
        
       | idoubtit wrote:
       | It's strange to start a list of "books that you may never have
       | heard of" with a novel which is a nominee to the 2020 Hugo
       | Awards. I suppose that most of the regular readers of sci-fi
       | haver heard of it.
       | 
       | A nitpick about the third recommandation with "robots modeled on
       | Karel Capek's designs". I suppose that they have not read Capek's
       | novels. His robots were not pure machines, they were made from a
       | biological substrate. In a way, they were closer to golems than
       | to what we're now calling robots.
       | 
       | If you want to read really different and lesser known novels,
       | Karel Capek's are a good choice. I did not enjoy "R.O.R." much
       | except for his surprising concept of robots, but I highly
       | recommend "War with the newts".
        
         | themadturk wrote:
         | Yeah, _Project Hail Mary_ was the only one of the three I 'd
         | ever heard of. Still, it was a great book (especially since I
         | read it right on the heels of reading _Artemis_ , which was
         | only "okay").
        
       | lowdownbutter wrote:
       | Credit for not assuming to know the reader by saying something
       | like "Sci-fi books that you've never heard of!". I now routinely
       | block youtube channels that do such things.
        
       | mnky9800n wrote:
       | Actually I made a website that's mostly sci-fi books I've read
       | 
       | https://mnky9800n.github.io/booklist/
       | 
       | It uses a google spreadsheet as a database so you just need to
       | update the spreadsheet and it adds a book to the website.
       | 
       | I have a life goal to read every thing written by Phillip k dick
       | as well as every book on David Pringle's 100 best sci-fi list.
       | Some of the books are hard to find though. Like I've been
       | searching for years for the peoples republic of Antarctica.
       | 
       | I would suggest the following novels if you haven't read them yet
       | 
       | Gene wolfe shadow of the torturer series aka book of the new sun
       | 
       | A scanner darkly by pkd, this, imo, is his best book even though
       | all his books are compelling. But I think also, yes we can build
       | him, its amazing because it really shows off pkd ability to come
       | up with a wild premise but that's simply the universe the
       | characters live in and they don't really care about that premise
       | they have other problems.
       | 
       | Herovits world by malzburg, this book is hilarious and about how
       | you must be a terrible narcissist to believe someone should read
       | your fiction especially science fiction
       | 
       | The Brian Daley series about Han Solo, these are super
       | interesting because they were written in 1979 so before empire
       | strikes back came out. So Daley basically only had Star Wars to
       | go on to create a whole trilogy of novels starring Han Solo. I
       | think these are probably my favourite Star Wars novels because
       | they have such little constraints.
        
         | bwb wrote:
         | Nice, I like the photos, classic covers are so beautiful :)
         | 
         | Added the Brian Daley series about Solo to my list, I'd never
         | heard of those!
        
           | mnky9800n wrote:
           | I should reread them. They are so much fun. I'm the only
           | person I know who has ever read them. Although that's not
           | saying much I suppose haha.
        
       | mariusor wrote:
       | After I finished the two Frank Kittridge novels from S.J. Morden
       | I was surprised I haven't heard of him until now.
       | 
       | They start as a "The Martian" cribbed story, but the development
       | arc takes in better places. It was less geek/efficiency porn and
       | more character development and required less strain on my
       | suspension of disbelief overall.
        
       | mostlysimilar wrote:
       | > Ever since reading Heir to the Empire (Timothy Zahn), I've been
       | fascinated by science fiction stories with amazing characters and
       | intriguing concepts.
       | 
       | Did an LLM write this? "Amazing characters" and "intriguing
       | concepts"? This sentence says nothing.
        
         | readthenotes1 wrote:
         | It's a stealth ad for the author's book. If you think the
         | advertising copy was written by an llm, I'm pretty sure that
         | says you won't like his book :-)
        
           | bwb wrote:
           | It's a way for new or unknown authors to authentically
           | connect with readers by sharing five books they love on a
           | topic, theme, or mood they are passionate about or experts
           | in. Readers get fantastic personalized picks by super
           | readers, and authors get to bump into some readers who might
           | be more interested in them and their books.
           | 
           | Authors face an immense battle to get noticed, and unless
           | something is done, we will only have big brand-name authors
           | who can afford to write full-time. The internet has really
           | consolidated books into a winner-takes-all market, and I want
           | to do what I can to help widen that so new authors have a
           | chance.
           | 
           | If you are curious, here are my goals for readers:
           | https://build.shepherd.com/p/what-is-shepherds-mission-
           | for-r...
           | 
           | Here are my goals for authors:
           | https://support.shepherd.com/hc/en-
           | us/articles/4406508361617...
           | 
           | And here is why I am building Shepherd for myself and others:
           | https://build.shepherd.com/p/why-am-i-building-shepherd-
           | ie-w...
           | 
           | Hope that helps; happy to answer questions :)
        
         | bwb wrote:
         | Gosh, no, we have a strict anti-AI policy, and every author we
         | work with agrees to an honor statement that they will always
         | write everything themselves.
         | 
         | I've caught a few dishonest authors, and they get banned from
         | the website forever.
        
       | larry314 wrote:
       | Nunquam by Lawrence Durrell. Not generally heard of because you
       | have to read Tunc first which is not science fiction. Both are
       | great and stylistic masterpieces. Numquam is my favorite robot
       | book along with Caves of Steel.
        
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