[HN Gopher] Opera will always help you block ads natively
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Opera will always help you block ads natively
Author : josephcsible
Score : 21 points
Date : 2024-10-26 17:09 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (blogs.opera.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (blogs.opera.com)
| josephcsible wrote:
| > We plan to continue supporting Manifest V2 extensions in Opera
| independently of what will happen to other browsers.
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| Once Google rips the MV2 code out of Chromium entirely next year,
| are Opera's developers really going to have the resources
| necessary to maintain such a hard fork?
| whatyesaid wrote:
| Maybe if Opera, Arc, and Brave people joined forces... Without
| a combined effort they lack the power of Chrome store and
| developer docs.
|
| Worst comes to worst they can use the Firefox engine. The MV2
| extensions don't need much work to leap over for Firefox
| dlachausse wrote:
| This is why it's so critical that we don't consolidate onto
| monocultures. It is crucial that Firefox and WebKit continue
| to be viable alternatives to Chromium.
| stavros wrote:
| How open source is a browser if entire other _companies_ can 't
| maintain a fork?
| josephcsible wrote:
| Open-source-ness only depends on the source code being
| released under a suitable license. It has nothing to do with
| complexity or maintainability of it.
| JadeNB wrote:
| > Open-source-ness only depends on the source code being
| released under a suitable license. It has nothing to do
| with complexity or maintainability of it.
|
| That's a definition, but I think that stavros was proposing
| that, much like Microsoft's "open" formats for Office, if a
| codebase is so complex that no-one else, not even with the
| resources of a full company, can maintain it, then at best
| its open sourceness is pro forma.
| murderfs wrote:
| By that logic, Linux isn't open source. Plenty of
| companies have abandoned products because maintaining a
| downstream fork of the kernel is too hard.
|
| Companies not being willing to invest resources into
| maintaining a fork doesn't mean it's not open source.
| stavros wrote:
| Yep, exactly. The disagreements here come down to a
| "spirit vs letter" debate. Yes, Chromium is open source
| by the letter of the law, as it's licensed under a FOSS
| license, but FOSS comes with certain expectations that
| you'll be able to use and modify the source code in
| certain ways.
|
| The fact that Google has managed to make a codebase open,
| but extremely onerous to actually maintain a fork of,
| does actually go against the spirit of FOSS a bit, in my
| opinion.
| KetoManx64 wrote:
| Oh hey! Small world! I recently used your Static site
| generator to convert a subset of my Joplin notes into a
| website which I used as a showcase for employers and that
| showcase ended up being the thing that got me my initial
| interview with the company I'm now working for. Thanks for
| making the converter public and saving me a bunch of time
| from not having to write one myself from scratch!
| stavros wrote:
| Oh nice! I'm really glad that was useful, I use it for
| myself but I didn't know if anyone else did!
| cebert wrote:
| " As of the end of 2023, Opera Software was 72.4% owned by
| Kunlun, a Chinese public company, making it a subsidiary of that
| company. Opera CEO James Yahui Zhou is a controlling shareholder
| in Kunlun." [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_(web_browser)]
| add-sub-mul-div wrote:
| You shouldn't just get to post this passive aggressive crap.
| Tell me why this outrages you or why you want it to outrage me.
| Vaguely hinting that I should be distrustful of people who live
| across some border because they look and talk different and our
| governments have tension is not enough to get me going.
| cebert wrote:
| I don't personally want a browser, which is such an important
| element of my personal and professional life, owned by a
| Chinese company. Additional, Opera isn't fully open source. I
| also don't trust Google.
| Sakos wrote:
| Nobody said anything about people looking or talking
| different. The defining features of the Chinese government,
| such as its authoritarian nature and its values that are
| completely opposed to most Western values, have nothing to do
| with these two things.
| aucisson_masque wrote:
| Well we'll see in a year when Google completely shut mv2 support.
| Until then it's very easy to speak, especially when you have very
| few market share and everything to gain with marketing stunt and
| not much to lose.
| troymc wrote:
| Opera already does ad blocking before you add any extensions,
| so the manifest v3 thing is a bit of a red herring.
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