[HN Gopher] Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other ...
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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US
Author : jdenquin
Score : 47 points
Date : 2024-10-25 19:29 UTC (1 days ago)
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| mikestew wrote:
| https://archive.is/pBDXs
| roland35 wrote:
| Shocking if true! I see way more model ys, mustang Mach es,
| rivians, ev6s, well pretty much everything than cybertrucks...
| jerlam wrote:
| All those vehicles have been selling for much longer (and the
| CT does not outsell the Y). The CT is the third-best selling
| vehicle for a single quarter, has only been on the market for a
| year, and production was pretty low for the first few months.
| The Mach-e has been on the market for over four years.
| panick21_ wrote:
| Does the concept of time exists?
| stonethrowaway wrote:
| Not on the internet.
| mikestew wrote:
| My witty retort would have been, "yeah, well, people bought the
| Pontiac Aztek, too.", except Tesla has sold almost as many
| Cybertrucks in the 3rd quarter as Pontiac sold Azteks in an
| entire peak sales year.
| bombcar wrote:
| Was it the Aztek that had really rabid fans? It was one of
| those boxy ones.
|
| Never could figure out if they actually had really good reasons
| for it or were just trying to justify having bought an Aztek.
| bri3d wrote:
| You're probably thinking of the Element. There were a lot of
| reasons it ended up with a rabid fan-base: Honda reliability,
| available manual transmission, available all-wheel drive. It
| was overall a really practical vehicle for those who wanted
| something with a good amount of interior space who didn't
| care about frills or luxury. Amusingly the Element was
| targeted at then-millennial young buyers looking for
| "adventure," but ended up being more popular amongst older
| people looking for a practical daily driver.
|
| The Aztek had some similar positive properties, but was from
| one of the particularly bad eras of GM malaise and was highly
| unreliable. It's had a tiny bit of a cult resurgence
| recently, but it was never popular in the way the Element
| was.
| bombcar wrote:
| I think you're right, it was the Element. People dismissed
| it as an Aztek but it had some features.
|
| They all pale next to the true King of Vehicles - the
| Minivan.
| travisb wrote:
| If you look at an Aztek today it doesn't stand out as unusual
| at all.
|
| It feels like the Aztek was ahead of its time and many mid-
| size SUVs have since caught up with its aesthetic.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| The Aztek would have been a cult car if it wasn't GM. It had
| the hoseable cabin, the center console was a removable
| cooler, etc.
|
| But it had all of the stupid GMisms. Every expense was
| spared. It turned out to be like the malnourished love child
| of a Nissan Xterra and a Ford Windstar.
| Spivak wrote:
| I think the take-away from this is that EV market in the US is a
| long-ways away from economy cars when the #3 selling car is
| $100k.
|
| You can't even find middling used EVs for sub $20k. They're all
| just Chevy Bolts people were desperate to unload.
| HWR_14 wrote:
| I thought the Bolt had a good reputation. What's wrong with
| them?
| efields wrote:
| No L2 charging for one.
| wffurr wrote:
| What do you mean? All Bolts support level 2 charging via
| the standard J1772 adapter up to 7.2 kW or 11.8 kW
| depending on model year.
|
| Level 3 charging aka DC fast charging was an option on
| them, so not all have the extra pins needed for a CCS
| charger.
|
| I'm pretty happy with my 2017 Bolt which has the DC fast
| charging option. I wish it had distance-keeping cruise
| control; it's frustrating because it has the cameras and
| will even report following distance on the dash, but
| doesn't have the adaptive cruise feature for whatever
| reason. I also wish it charged a bit faster; 50 kW max is a
| little slow for road trips.
|
| Next car is probably a 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5, which has has
| both features and is also pretty reasonable. Prices on the
| used models are slowly coming down.
| jeffbee wrote:
| Arguably their lack of extremely fast DC charging. But many
| of them got brand new replacement batteries, and the last
| wave off-lease have low miles. Looking at a wholesale price
| index, it seems that Bolt EUVs are $22-23k, which is similar
| to the prices of Model 3 (24-28k, but they don't separate
| standard and long range; the Bolt had only 1 variant).
| bluGill wrote:
| New cars have always been expensive. The average car is 12
| years old in the US, not many EVs were available in 2012, but a
| lot of used cars are older than that. Give it time and EVs will
| drop in price. Though with charging standards changing it will
| be a while just because some cars will not be chargeable.
| xnx wrote:
| Alternate headline: Tesla sales dip below 50% of all EV sales.
|
| Source: https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q3-2024-ev-
| sales/
| samatman wrote:
| This appears to be an alternate article, rather than an
| alternate headline for this one.
| xnx wrote:
| Didn't mean to confuse, this is an alternate interpretation
| of recent EV sales data.
| nullindividual wrote:
| Cox Automotive generated the data[0] sourced in the second
| "paragraph" from the original article.
|
| [0] https://www.coxautoinc.com/wp-
| content/uploads/2024/10/Kelley...
| tmtvl wrote:
| Isn't the Cybertruck that Mad Max looking thing that looks like
| it will shear you clean in two if it hits you? I'm surprised
| that's street legal.
| standardUser wrote:
| It may literally be too sharp for EU standards...
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/08/tesla-cyb...
| n0n0n4t0r wrote:
| That's not in civilized countries (hum, Europe)
| hyggetrold wrote:
| The Tesla Cybertruck - a boys idea of a man's car.
| caycep wrote:
| tbh I continue to say the i3 scale/weight was what mass market EV
| transportation should have been designed towards (and more
| efforts focused on public trans than single/small n occupant
| cars). Societal/environmental cost of 6000-7000 lb behemoths
| erase any emissions gains from going EV.
| unsnap_biceps wrote:
| I really wish they would have continued to make the i3 and
| reduce the cost. It was perfect for a lot of people but the
| price was just too high.
| caycep wrote:
| the irony is that apparently it was the one model where the
| sales were going up year over year, vs. the usual initial
| high demand and subsequent decline of ICE models
| inhumantsar wrote:
| So basically the sub-$30k Chevy Bolt EV and EUV. US sales
| broke 60,000 units in 2023.
| 39896880 wrote:
| The Bolt EUV is the perfect EV, and it's a travesty that
| they stopped selling it. Hopefully the talk of them
| bringing it back is true.
| formvoltron wrote:
| Cybertruck reminds me of the Moon Patrol buggy.
| mark242 wrote:
| 16 thousand Cybertrucks sold in Q3.
|
| To compare, 3.9 million cars sold in Q3.
| someluccc wrote:
| It sells for $100k. Bet all $100k cars move volume
| yumraj wrote:
| That thing is a monstrosity.
|
| This to me implies that EVs have peaked and only the market for
| vanity vehicles remains _at this time_
|
| Edit: I also have a suspicion that this is primarily due to them
| filling all the preorders. It'd be good to see a breakdown as to
| how many new orders people are placing after seeing this POS in
| real life.
| unsnap_biceps wrote:
| Given you can cancel your preorder without losing any money,
| one would presume that the majority of pre orderers were happy
| with the results.
| yumraj wrote:
| Not necessarily. People who had placed the preorder were
| looking for a vanity vehicle, which it sure is. And, those
| people are not going to cancel.
|
| I'm interested in the customer base once that market is
| exhausted.
| Terr_ wrote:
| This kind of summary is tricky because the answer can depend on
| the bucketing that occurs from the spread of models or
| manufacturers.
|
| The linked Kelly Blue Book report tables are probably more-
| useful, and state that in Q3, 4.8% of the vehicles sold were
| Cybertrucks.
|
| I'm not familiar with pickup-truck-adjacent vehicles, but I
| notice the "Ford F-150 Lightning" was 2.1%, and the "GMC Hummer
| Truck / SUV" was 1.2%.
| shreezus wrote:
| I see multiple Cybertrucks every day driving around LA.
|
| I'll admit the design has grown on me, and we need more
| mainstream vehicles challenging the boring design "norms".
|
| I would love to see a cross between the Model Y and Cybertruck in
| the future.
| neuralRiot wrote:
| I find Kia/ Hyundai designs more pleasing and "out of the box"
| than most other automakers. Of course they have some failures
| like the Ioniq 6 sedan, the thing looks like the hate child
| between a 911 and an MB C300.
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| The newer generation Honda's are SHOCKINGLY nice looking. I'm
| a huge fan of the new Land Cruiser too, I would happily bring
| one of those home.
| LUmBULtERA wrote:
| I like their designs well enough, but I'd hardly call them
| "out of the box". Slightly edgy.
| GMoromisato wrote:
| Anecdata, but in the Bay Area I see a Cybertruck almost every
| time I go out. At the beginning of the year it was once per
| month. Now there are two or three Cybertruck owners in my
| immediate neighborhood.
|
| I don't like the look, personally, but my kids love it.
| inferiorhuman wrote:
| Sure, I'm in the Bay Area too. I see Rivians daily. Had an
| F-150 lightning pull up next to me yesterday. Every once in a
| while I'll see a Luicd whatever. Can't remember the last time
| I've seen a Cybertruck (on the road or broken down). In the
| past week I've seen a couple Hummer EVs. Hell I've seen more
| running Vinfasts than running Cybertrucks.
| GMoromisato wrote:
| I see Rivians daily too. Might have seen an F150 Lightning,
| but I can't tell them apart from any other truck, honestly.
| wffurr wrote:
| https://archive.is/pBDXs
|
| Relevant snippet:
|
| "Tesla sold almost 17,000 Cybertrucks in the third quarter,
| according to Cox estimates, making it the third most popular EV
| in the US during the period. The only other EVs that sold better
| were the Tesla Model 3 and Y.
|
| So far in 2024, more than 28,000 Cybertrucks have been sold.
| That's more than Ford's F-150 Lightning, Rivian's R1T, and
| Chevy's Silverado EV, Cox data shows."
| nimbius wrote:
| The reason theyre selling is likely due to a US small business
| tax loophole that allows you to write off things like range
| rovers and escalades as a business expense. coupled with US
| electric vehicle incentives state and federal, and its a pretty
| sweet deal on the most electric SUV per weight and length you can
| buy.
|
| Honestly I fully expect to see these things crisping in the
| sunlit parking lot of a predatory auto lender in about five
| years, or rolling through the rough part of town on an 84 month
| co-signed auto loan with liability insurance only, wagon wheels,
| a lord beerus wrap and aftermarket stereo.
|
| Like Range Rovers and Hummers they will be gobbled up by people
| who (with petite-bourgeoise socialism) can afford to buy the
| vehicle, but _not_ maintain it. And if Youtube is any judge of
| build quality, this vehicle will start to fall apart the minute
| it exits the factory floor.
| vitaflo wrote:
| Literally every cybertruck I see has been fully wrapped with
| some business logo on it. I'm not sure I've yet seem one that
| wasn't bought as a tax write off.
| ThrowawayTestr wrote:
| How is buying a company vehicle a "tax loophole"?
| mrguyorama wrote:
| Because you buy it as a "company vehicle" but 98% of it's
| miles are driven for your personal use. Whether the tax code
| considers that a loophole doesn't matter. It's a loophole to
| give a personal item the tax treatment of a business asset.
|
| You wanted to buy the vehicle anyway, you were going to buy
| it anyway, but for some absurd reason you get to count a
| personal vehicle against your company's tax liability.
| JohnFen wrote:
| The IRS considers that tax evasion rather than a loophole,
| though. Unlike using a loophole, it's actually illegal.
| That said, you're right -- the practice isn't that rare and
| that's how it's done.
| sashank_1509 wrote:
| The weird thing I've seen is in almost all the online forums I
| visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter,
| hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I
| drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me
| inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a
| Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the
| internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio's right in his review, 75%
| of all approaching population are excited about the car and when
| asked to guess its price, they all wildly overestimate it,
| guessing close to a million than a 100k. This car is probably a
| hit, it would be a bigger hit if it were a gas car, it's low
| range and really low range when towing make it impractical for
| any actual truck work.
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| I feel this is also selection bias. People approaching owners
| in public are unlikely to be aware of what an engineering
| disaster the thing is, what with all the issues with quality
| control, slow delivery, and _very_ slow repairs /maintenance
| from Tesla, or the funnier stories where owners have had their
| trucks brick entirely due to getting the thing washed, whereas
| in the comment sections you're referencing, those topics are
| usually the topic of conversation. And, I mean, even if the
| people approaching owners _do_ know about that stuff... I
| dunno, I find it hard to picture myself walking up to a
| complete stranger and shit-talking their new toy to their face.
| And not just because I 'm a nice person, but because too many
| people in this country are emotionally unstable and armed, and
| as funny as I think Cybertrucks and their owners are, I'm not
| prepared to get killed for a joke.
|
| And to put this even further: most people even in America are
| not "car people" and therefore don't know shit about cars,
| where they come from, what goes into them, etc. My parents are
| great examples of this. They've owned something like 4 of the
| 10 worst cars of the new millennium list put out by Forbes, but
| like, an awful car in 2024 is still generally fine for an
| undemanding casual user. Sure, people buy tons of trucks here,
| but the vast majority of them aren't used for anything more
| strenuous than hauling a dozen bags of fertilizer, and my
| Corvette can handle that. A Cybertruck is a terrible truck, but
| most people don't do truck shit with the trucks they buy, and
| it's a perfectly middle-of-the-road SUEV. I think it's a bad
| option if that's what you're after, chiefly because you're
| gonna spend a LOT of money on tires you don't really need to,
| and the panels aren't aligned right, and if anything goes wrong
| with it you're liable to spend months playing vehicular ping-
| pong with your Tesla dealership, and it's (IMO) ugly as sin...
| but you do you. Assuming it doesn't have some kind of
| catastrophic failure that an unfortunate number do, you'll
| probably have a fine experience.
|
| The videos of it struggling to move in snow and "bravely"
| fording a creek of 5 inch deep water are funny as hell to see,
| because it's shocking what Cybertruck owners think "hard going"
| in a truck is. They'd probably lose their minds seeing some of
| what I've seen modified trucks crawl up, through, and across in
| the course of off-road competition if they think driving
| through a fast stream makes the Cybertruck a feat of
| engineering, but again, most people who buy these things aren't
| driving through a blizzard at 90mph to get medicine to the good
| children of the village so they live to see Santa come
| Christmas morning. They're going across town to the Good
| Denny's, or to the local mall for shopping, or to their kids
| soccer game. And on that journey, a Cybertruck and virtually
| any vehicle you can buy new right now, will suffice. Just don't
| get it wet.
| tennisflyi wrote:
| Social media isn't reality
| BeefWellington wrote:
| For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99 Plymouth
| Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based solely on
| people coming up to ask about the car, his would win hands down
| and you'd assume (naturally) that Plymouth just couldn't
| manufacture enough to keep up with demand. There's a huge
| difference between attention-grabbing looks to a vehicle that
| will have people stop you and ask about it and what people will
| actually buy when it comes time to buy their next car. It's
| tempting to point to its position as #3 overall as an
| overwhelming success but the EV market is comparatively small
| still so I'm not sure it's useful to put much stock in it.
|
| In terms of the negativity, I'd say that unlike other cars of
| similar design (like the Aztek) -- a way higher percentage of
| the panning I see online is about it not living up to its
| promised capabilities. There's loads of videos of Cybertrucks
| needing to be towed out of bad spots by other trucks, problems
| even when it isn't stuck because of how little its frame
| flexes, the additional torque wearing away tread on the tires
| much faster, etc. _Some_ of those things can be engineered
| around and I 'm sure Tesla engineers are working on it.
|
| I'd hazard a guess that the market share the Cybertruck is
| taking isn't any existing trucks but rather more "luxury-class"
| SUVs like Mercedes, Land Rover, and BMW.
| TMWNN wrote:
| > For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99
| Plymouth Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based
| solely on people coming up to ask about the car, his would
| win hands down and you'd assume (naturally) that Plymouth
| just couldn't manufacture enough to keep up with demand.
| There's a huge difference between attention-grabbing looks to
| a vehicle that will have people stop you and ask about it and
| what people will actually buy when it comes time to buy their
| next car.
|
| You should give sashank_1509 enough credit to be able to
| distinguish between the jokey/mocking questions your friend's
| Prowler gets, and the enthusiastic ones he reports receiving.
|
| >It's tempting to point to its position as #3 overall as an
| overwhelming success
|
| There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3
| overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success,
| especially given that a) #1 and #2 are also Tesla vehicles,
| and b) one of them was the world's best-selling car of any
| kind, EV or not, in 2023.
| sabbaticaldev wrote:
| > There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3
| overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success,
| especially given that
|
| they have the US government block competition
| Sabinus wrote:
| Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly
| states are welcome to compete.
| forgetfreeman wrote:
| I actually saw one in person for the first time a couple days
| ago. I had a great laugh at the owner's expense. He could
| better serve his desperate need for attention at a fraction of
| the price by hosting a block party or driving a 70s F150 or
| similar (aka an actual truck). Unlike many folks who think
| these things are trash I'm delighted they're on the market.
| Characterless voids trying to trowel over their emptiness with
| expensive consumer goods should absolutely be able to advertise
| loudly as a warning to the rest of us. Imagine what would have
| been possible if they'd spent that money on a combination of
| therapy and developing actual interests.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| A hinged take.
| DAGdug wrote:
| Your comment perhaps says more about your own mental state
| than of those you're collectively chiding.
| bryanlarsen wrote:
| > impractical any actual truck work.
|
| Some pickup truck work is high mileage, but a surprising amount
| of it is low mileage. It varies a lot, there are lots of trucks
| that do less than 100 miles a day.
|
| Work trucks are also usually much more predictable than
| consumer vehicles. Most of them do the same thing every day.
| The predictability should make buying an EV easier.
| entropicdrifter wrote:
| That's true of the range, but the Cybertruck is also terrible
| in terms of torque, horsepower, and suspension compared to
| the Rivian truck or the F150 Lightning. _Those_ EV trucks are
| very practical. The Cybertruck, not so much. As others in
| this comment section have pointed out, it 's more of a luxury
| SUV than anything else.
| enslavedrobot wrote:
| That doesn't explain this tractor pull result where the
| tri-motor cybertruck outperforms both those EVs and an
| F350.
|
| https://youtu.be/Pj2jMhwKuv4?si=rJ8B1NnzBvR6usqa
| FireBeyond wrote:
| Oh, just like the video Tesla released of the CT towing a
| 911 faster than the 911?
|
| Entirely objective, not misleading?
|
| I'm sure there won't be multiple publications completely
| debunking this video too like they did the 911 video.
| aeonik wrote:
| Are you talking about the debunking videos that highlight
| that the Cybertruck only beat the Porsche in the 1/8 mile
| and not the whole quarter mile? And that Cybertruck is
| still basically a 10 second truck?
|
| It's honestly a absurd and funny to me how fast the truck
| is. It's like seeing an elephant fly. It's even funnier
| to see people get angry at it.
|
| I definitely don't like marketing and ads, but that's
| literally how all ads work. It doesn't debunk some of the
| insane performance characteristics.
| FireBeyond wrote:
| > Are you talking about the debunking videos that
| highlight that the Cybertruck only beat the Porsche in
| the 1/8 mile
|
| No, I'm talking about the debunking videos and articles
| that show:
|
| "We ran six quarter-mile drag races, and each one had the
| same outcome: The Porsche 911 Carrera T wins and the
| Tesla Cybertruck Beast loses... it's not a particularly
| close race, either."
|
| Re the 1/8: "We can say confidently that Tesla didn't
| show the Porsche 911 Carrera T's quickest possible run.
| In four out of six MotorTrend drag races, the Porsche 911
| Carrera T beat the Cybertruck to the eighth-mile mark."
|
| "The manual-transmission Carrera T has a 3,500-rpm
| limiter at standstill, and on a sticky, prepped drag
| strip, launching quickly requires getting off the line
| without letting the revs fall. Drop the clutch too fast,
| and the engine will bog, falling out of its powerband. It
| takes a slow, carefully modulated clutch release to get
| the perfect launch, which keeps the engine on boil and
| extracts a small amount of slip from the tires."
|
| I'm sure Tesla was quite eager to make sure that they
| launched the Porsche optimally.
|
| Yes. I get it. EVs have amazing acceleration. My brother
| in law has worked for, and owned, both Teslas and
| Rivians, so I'm no stranger to this.
|
| But this was just another Tesla self-congratulatory event
| that needed "simulation" and "we didn't actually do it
| but we think it would go this way" puffery.
| thijson wrote:
| I thought this was a good review of the cybertruck:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_EJ3DyiiA
| mikestew wrote:
| People used to do the same thing to me after we bought one of
| the first Nissan Leafs. So much that a friend expressed
| displeasure with going with me to pick up food because he knew
| we would very likely be delayed by someone asking about the
| car.
|
| So I don't think it's much of a measuring stick.
| hindsightbias wrote:
| Years ago I got a rental that was some new hideous looking
| 4-door Fiat model. Maybe a 500L or something. They were taking
| off the plastic wrap when I got it.
|
| It was a week of beating off people approaching me and asking
| about it. It looked weird, I thought people wanted to beat me
| up but they were genuinely curious about it.
|
| That some weird truck with a formerly 3 year waiting list is at
| the top of the charts a couple months into shipping should be
| surprising? Wait a year. Nobody is looking at the 500L now.
| m463 wrote:
| I think the truck is like dating an exciting but shallow person
| who doesn't care about you.
|
| The truck is extremely fast, with excellent steering,
| suspension and lots of other groundbreaking technology.
|
| But it is basically user-hostile. No dashboard, no stalks for
| turn signals or gear selection, and everything is on the
| central touchscreen. And that is super cluttered and impossible
| to do important things without looking away from your driving
| and jabbing at a moving touch point.
|
| It makes you a worse driver, and you're spending 100k.
|
| Honestly, give it a dashboard. Add stalks for turn signals,
| wiper, headlight, gear selection. Give it a few dedicated
| buttons for things you need to reach by touch (defrost,
| mute/volume, internal/external lights) and lots of animosity
| would go away. Make it an option for $5k! people will pay.
|
| EDIT: they are learning. The wrapped black ones don't look
| terrible.
| FireBeyond wrote:
| > MKBHD got the ratio's right in his review, 75% of all
| approaching population are excited about the car and when asked
| to guess its price, they all wildly overestimate it, guessing
| close to a million than a 100k
|
| This has to be hyperbole. There are many in the middle class
| areas I spend a lot of time in, and even $100K cars are a
| rarity here. No-one is thinking "oh, wow, sure are a lot of
| people who just bought million dollar cars, here where the
| median home price is $500-600K!"
| Spooky23 wrote:
| Idk. I'd imagine it has more to do with the preorders and how
| they can stuff shipments.
|
| I got to drive one... it's an objectively terrible car. I would
| imagine that as the look gets let's novel that attention will
| wane quickly. When they get the inevitable prominent pedestrian
| collision on video, it has Pinto potential.
|
| It's weird because the last "new" Tesla was the Model Y I
| think, and that is an incredibly well thought out car --
| probably the 2020s equivalent of the 1980s Taurus or Camry.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| It only feels like a car because of the amazing steer by
| wire. It's actually a truck though.
| asadotzler wrote:
| It's not a truck though. It's a unibody car with a bed and
| big wheels. Trucks are body on frame and can do real work
| without the back falling off.
| dchichkov wrote:
| Is there some tax data about the amount of Clean Vehicle/CA
| and Federal EV credits issued for Cybertruck?
|
| The income cap on getting the clean vehicle rebates is $135k
| ($200k joint filers). And I'm not sure about the federal
| rebates. Tesla doesn't offer 0% financing, current Cybertruck
| APR deal is reported to be 5.29% for up to 72 months. So I
| don't see how someone with the income under the rebate cutoff
| can afford that $100k car or the financing option. The delta
| between the number of rebates (Federal EV vs Clean
| Vehicle/CA) may allow to estimate, how many of these are
| corporate (pre-income tax + rebate?) purchases.
|
| And these "Cox Automotive estimates", are these reliable
| numbers that had been confirmed by Tesla earnings, or it is a
| "best guess by influencers" type of information?
| lm28469 wrote:
| Yeah because street folks impressed by a hunk of steel and
| thinking it cost a million dollars aren't in a bubble aha
|
| There are a lot of terrible cars that impress non car people
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| The DeLorean DMC-12 is the car guy version of "never meet
| your heroes." So fucking cool, absolutely iconic design, and
| genuinely one of the worst cars ever manufactured. Criminally
| under-powered, no power steering, the only part of the window
| that would open was the part inside the plastic frame of it,
| issues with overheating, 0-60 in about 2 years, and the
| transmission was an utterly _garbage_ Lotus one that was
| chosen because it was the only one that would fit in the
| frame.
|
| Honestly one of my lottery dreams would be buying a DMC-12
| and converting it to electric.
| oniony wrote:
| Yeah, but how many other cars can you revisit the 80s in?
| ToucanLoucan wrote:
| Mine of choice would be the Lamborghini Countach, as long
| as I don't have to back it up. I'm too old for the Lambo
| Lean.
| Tanoc wrote:
| The thing is, the people most likely to complain that the
| Cybertruck is a bad vehicle are the people who are informed
| about it. The wider public doesn't know about things like the
| tonneau cover leaking, wheel bearings failing, the suspension
| being stuck down and causing tire rub, the aerodynamic wheel
| covers that were causing tire failures because they were
| puncturing the sidewalls, the upper control arms that bend like
| an empty aluminum can, the door edges that will cut your finger
| off, the tailgate that will also cut your finger off, the fact
| that it's got even worse sight lines than the Hummer H1, or
| that the bed effectively loses twenty percent of it's space
| because of the backwards angled bulkhead where the bed and the
| cab meet.
|
| Someone who is an enthusiast will most likely know about those
| things because they were widely reported in the automotive news
| sphere, and thus they will have a much higher chance of being
| against the Cybertruck. The wider public doesn't know, and so
| the novelty factor draws them in.
| qwerpy wrote:
| I drive a Cybertruck as my daily driver and I don't even know
| about most of these.
| apercu wrote:
| Can you get insurance for them?
| ThrowawayTestr wrote:
| You can get insurance for anything if you pay enough.
| MostlyStable wrote:
| It is honestly baffling to me how many people have such strong
| opinions on the Cyber Truck. I don't personally like the
| aesthetic, but the majority of the reason I wouldn't get one is
| that I _really_ don 't like Teslas interior design/control scheme
| (which, much like apple, has lead a lot of manufacturers to copy
| them). I hate the 100% touch screen thing that they have decided
| on. But like...also, I just won't buy one. The fact that the car
| isn't my ideal one does not require me to despise it, or really
| care about it at all. There are a _lot_ of cars that I don 't
| like for one reason or another.
|
| I mean, I guess I _do_ get it: politics have poisoned people 's
| brains and the fact that they don't like Musk's politics means
| that they _have_ to have extremely strong opinions on everything
| connected to him, but it just doesn 't seem worth the emotional
| effort.
|
| And while I personally wouldn't ever buy one, it also is not
| surprising to me _at all_ that a lot of people _are_ buying them.
| I have no illusion that my personal tastes reflect the broader
| tastes of the car-buying public (if they did, then I would find
| it much easier to find a car that conforms to my preferences).
| ThrowawayTestr wrote:
| People don't hate the car, they hate Musk.
| archagon wrote:
| Speak for yourself. I also hate the car.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| All of these things are by design. Musk's strategy is to be in
| the news and for the product to be him.
|
| He must have fired his PR team and gave up on the visionary
| genius schtick. Many people will hate that he's revealed his
| true self to the world and it isn't pretty.
|
| But the car sucks too.
| pfannkuchen wrote:
| Have you actually driven one? The only thing I use the touch
| screen for on a near daily basis is the defroster in the winter
| and that is before I start driving. Everything else I need
| regularly does have physical controls, e.g. wipers and blower
| speed.
|
| I do have a model that still has the stalks though, haven't
| driven the stalkless type enough to comment.
| jordanpg wrote:
| I would love to see the party registration breakdown of these
| recent buys.
|
| It would be wonderful irony if suddenly buying EVs has become
| trendy among the right-leaning crowd.
| spaceman_2020 wrote:
| Its the design.
|
| The memefication of reality is happening right under our eyes,
| and the Cybertruck is the perfect vehicle for it.
|
| Expect more such memetic design across everything. From people to
| products, the meme is the atomic unit of attention. Beauty is a
| secondary goal; to sprout memes is how you win in twenty twenty
| four - and beyond.
| stonethrowaway wrote:
| To move past this barricade you must show your identification
| card. And a dank meme.
| RollAHardSix wrote:
| My girlfriend owns one so to share our experience, the cybertruck
| is an unreliable POS. She's had it three, four months now & we
| have had it in the shop for suspension repair, an ECU computer
| which fried itself at a charging station (2k), a coolant leak
| part replacement from the cyberbeast rear engine (1400), the
| passenger window falling inside the door after the wire used in
| the gear window retraction snapped or tangled in the gears (450).
| We have gone through something like 8-10 tires and rims because
| they can't handle a pothole, or slice themselves after some tech
| put the wheel cover on wrong (tried leaving it off but a tire
| caught debris and was punctured that way too).
|
| She had about two or three tires slashed or had the air nozzle
| cut off and sentry mode didn't catch anything except the back of
| the persons head. The self-driving jerked itself into a barricade
| on the interstate when someone cut her off, she wasn't able to
| stop it from doing so fast enough, it was all just faster then
| her reaction time (thankfully the other driver admitted fault but
| if they had contested I wouldn't put my faith in self-driving
| laws to side on a drivers side in a dispute). We have put roughly
| 10k into this truck for service.
|
| We bought the truck because she lives in the mountains, she
| drives 200 miles a day for work if not more 5 days a week
| (regularly up at 4am on the road at 6am and home around 7pm - 9pm
| depending), and its probably the biggest purchase regret of our
| lives.
|
| She needed a vehicle and I just spent 15k on a used RAV, we made
| the decision for her to get the truck because self-driving
| sounded very exciting (its all 'corporate puffery' now though),
| and her being in the mountains left us looking at roughly 80k
| vehicles anyway so we figured let's take a chance on the truck
| and self-driving. I mean most cars you get a good five years out
| them anyway right? Turns out that paint it black tesla ad was
| even faked, and my personal opinion is Tesla used the
| reservations to get this news piece.
|
| I truly don't see the cybertruck as being desirable for the
| average American, I believe it's a novelty which will die once
| Teslas early adopter advantage for self-driving dies up. I
| believe it should. We are currently looking to buy her a 8k
| commuter beater for local 60 - 120 mile work days and using the
| cybertruck just for the work out of state. We'd sell the truck
| but its depreciated so much and she still travels out of state
| once or twice a month minimum and all over the place once there
| so we still want something electric for those trips. We would
| sell it if I had about another 50k in the bank to be comfortable
| with taking the quick loss from doing so, we still might once the
| relatives house sells. Don't buy Tesla, that's my advice. We
| never will again.
| thebruce87m wrote:
| > She had about two or three tires slashed or had the air
| nozzle cut off and sentry mode didn't catch anything except the
| back of the persons head.
|
| Who is doing this? Anti-Musk people? Anti-EV people? I'm not
| from the US so I'm not familiar with the politics.
| GenerWork wrote:
| I'm betting it's anti-Musk people or depending on where OP
| lives, perhaps an area that's gentrifying and is filled with
| people who dislike said gentrification.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| If it's Cali, it could be anyone. Lawlessness is embraced.
| binoct wrote:
| I'm genuinely curious, on a 4-month old vehicle, why weren't
| the three specific repairs and costs you list be covered under
| warranty?
| stonethrowaway wrote:
| A handful of us are wondering the same thing.
| wg0 wrote:
| Someone commented on some forum:
|
| "People buying a car with a lifespan of their smartphone
| batteries is beyond me."
| standardUser wrote:
| Here's the thing about the Cybertruck, if you give it a decent
| paint job it actually looks kind of amazing...
|
| https://pristineautospa.com/the-benefits-and-advantages-of-c...
|
| It's the unfinished metal look that absolutely baffles me.
| GenerWork wrote:
| Tesla somehow made a vehicle that only looks its best when you
| put an aftermarket wrap/paintjob on it. It's almost impressive
| when you think about it.
| foogazi wrote:
| Personally when I see them in person I think they look dumb and
| ridiculous. But I have never driven it. I do like all other
| current Teslas but wouldn't buy one because Elon
|
| But I was driving with a non-tech, non-online friend and she
| blurted out "Wow what an ugly car", I looked over and it was a
| cybertruck - so I felt validate in my views
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