[HN Gopher] Mind Wandering: More than a Bad Habit (2018) [pdf]
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Mind Wandering: More than a Bad Habit (2018) [pdf]
Author : yamrzou
Score : 134 points
Date : 2024-10-20 06:29 UTC (2 days ago)
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| tmshapland wrote:
| Thanks for posting. Reminds me of Dan Gilbert's famous paper on
| the subject. He took polls of people at random times during the
| day when smartphones first emerged.
|
| "In conclusion, a human mind is a wandering mind, and a wandering
| mind is an unhappy mind. The ability to think about what is not
| happening is a cognitive achievement that comes at an emotional
| cost."
|
| https://dtg.sites.fas.harvard.edu/KILLINGSWORTH%20&%20GILBER...
| ocular-rockular wrote:
| I'm so confused. I'm trying to understand what is wrong with
| mind wandering but to me it doesn't seem clear.
| yamrzou wrote:
| Check this: Why Mind Wandering Can Be So Miserable --
| https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-mind-
| wande...
| ocular-rockular wrote:
| > What's more, people's negative moods appeared to be the
| result, rather than the cause, of the mind wandering.
|
| This is I think one useful take away from the article... on
| the other hand...
|
| > "A lot of us spend a lot of time trying to optimize the
| objective reality of our lives," he told me. "But we don't
| spend a lot of time and effort trying to optimize where our
| minds go."
|
| I'm so sorry but I refuse to take this seriously. The
| modern day obsession with optimization is off the rails and
| honestly is probably the thing that makes most people
| miserable. My man lost respect with that line of thinking.
|
| But I don't know mind wandering/daydreaming is pretty lit.
| I like the distraction. Yeah, sometimes it can be a not
| very positive experience but I feel like these researchers
| either fail to address or don't discuss the distinction
| between daydreaming and anxious thought.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| I'm 100% with you on this one. I feel like people who
| won't like mind wandering are heavy Type-A, control-
| oriented personalities, who have some external objective
| in mind, and are unsatisfied until that objective is
| completed.
|
| I don't think I've ever experienced a negative mood due
| to mind wandering. If anything, negative moods for me
| result in more fixation on a problem, where my mind will
| _not_ wander, and will just constantly come back to a
| single thing.
| even_639765 wrote:
| To say it's unhappy is not quite right, it's problem solving
| and running simulations whose goal is naturally and properly a
| source of low level anxiety - how to secure this organisms
| future well being.
|
| That wandering mind is conducting probability analysis on
| potential future events and circumstances or the same
| calculation on the actual nature of past events. It is trying
| to secure its future security, to form an ugly phrase.
|
| That's what this organism does with its mind. It runs
| simulations to try to predict the future in an if this, then
| that sort of way. That's its natural state. Seems harsh to call
| that "unhappy".
|
| Productive reasoning, the kind of mental activity we are proud
| of and covet, in this context, is really less like thinking and
| more like acting, like engaging in affirmative, directed
| action.
| nihhhh wrote:
| > properly a source of low level anxiety
|
| You're wrong on that, it would be more likely to produce a
| high level of anxiety, to ensure survival in the short term.
| even_639765 wrote:
| No organism can sustain a high level of anxiety. We're
| talking about the purpose of the universal default state of
| mind. It can't be a state of high anxiety.
| arijo wrote:
| It's interesting how mind wandering can be analysed from
| different perspectives:
|
| 1. In meditation the main goal is precisely to free ourselves
| from the monkey mind that seems to be the cause of all suffering
|
| 2. In neuroscience mind wandering is seen as the brain default
| mode unless we are operating within a goal driven mindset
|
| 3. This can also be seen as a kind of reinforcement learning: we
| train ourselves to notice when we are mind wandering - this
| process in itself, after some time, conditions the mind to focus
| on the present moment
|
| 4. From a metabolic perspective (e.g. ketogenic therapy), mind
| wandering can be seen as the result of blood glucose fluctuations
| that cause mental fogginess and impair focus
|
| In my own experience as a long time meditation practitioner, what
| really made the difference for me was regulating my blood glucose
| levels by following a ketogenic diet. The change in clarity of
| mind and focus were life changing to me.
|
| I write a bit on my experience in my blog:
|
| https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/how-the-ketogenic-diet-helped...
|
| Just my 2 cents on a fascinating subject!
| hanniabu wrote:
| What is "monkey mind"?
| nickvec wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_mind
| Aeglaecia wrote:
| more broadly , the difference between reacting and responding
| to a stimulus
| even_639765 wrote:
| It's called reverie. The stream of thinking that you
| naturally have when you're not deliberately trying to focus.
|
| Essentially, one thought leading to another which leads to
| another and so on, without you having to make any effort.
|
| Most people identify so much with their thinking, they aren't
| aware of it as a "thing"; it feels like it's something you're
| doing.
|
| What are you thinking about?
|
| But if you try to just pay attention, say to your breath,
| going in and out, after a few seconds you'll discover you
| slipped back into thinking, as described above, back into
| reverie.
|
| Continued failure, despite your increasing resolve, to stay
| just listening to your breath reveals this fact: you can't
| stop "your" thinking mind from recapturing your attention.
|
| So it seems like a monkey, that is, a thing which jumps
| around, from thought to thought, a separate entity from you,
| one which will not obey you.
| timacles wrote:
| It is also known as karma mind in the Zen Buddhism.
|
| Obsession over things that benefit you and avoiding things
| that hurt you.
| yamrzou wrote:
| > From a metabolic perspective (e.g. ketogenic therapy), mind
| wandering can be seen as the result of blood glucose
| fluctuations that cause mental fogginess and impair focus
|
| Could you please provide some sources for this?
| arijo wrote:
| https://brainenergy.com
| fao_ wrote:
| Gosh! Another self-help book to "cure" my ADHD and
| depression! /s
|
| Sarcasm aside, we already have cures for these disorders.
| It's absolutely insulting to struggle for decades dealing
| with mental health problems, for the medical industry to
| hold the cure (which, incidentally, is also the key to
| allowing you to perform a lot of self-care steps which
| would improve your mental health), and to then be told that
| -- no, you won't receive the cure because you're not our
| "ideal patient" so, instead, maybe try and bang your head
| against this self-help book that "cures" the disease.
| Obviously, the disease will be cured if you just try hard
| enough! Or if you just, idk, Cope With It.
|
| The majority of self-help books exist to generate money and
| only end up reinforcing the point of view that if you are
| struggling with mental illness it must be _your fault_.
| They take the burden off the rotting, decrepit husk of
| capitalism and put the burden back on to you. "Oh, you
| have struggled every day of your life with X? Ah, but this
| self-help book solves X, so if it doesn't work that must be
| your fault and you need to struggle harder with the methods
| in the self-help book!"
| soulofmischief wrote:
| I hear you. I lost a best friend last year after moving
| in with him and getting effectively bullied and belittled
| over my ADHD, which he was adamant was made-up and was
| just a skill issue that I could meditate my way out of.
| After he became increasingly hostile and psychotic I had
| to cancel my lease. Really screwed me up for a while.
| arijo wrote:
| Listen, stop playing with serious mental illness.
|
| I suffer from severe mental illness since I was young -
| ketogenic therapy is evidence based medicine and has
| changed my life in a way medication never has.
|
| When you downplay this emerging field of metabolic health
| you're preventing many people to have access to a
| treatment that can save their lives.
|
| Please inform yourself better - do not careless spread
| misinformation that can hurt other people.
| soulofmischief wrote:
| > Please inform yourself better - do not careless spread
| misinformation that can hurt other people.
|
| Please inform _yourself_ on ADHD research. When you
| downplay the role of genetics in mental illness you 're
| preventing many people from having access to life-
| changing treatment. The irony of your last statement is
| quite something.
| https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC161723/
|
| It's wonderful that ketogenic therapy has changed your
| life. That has absolutely no bearing on people with
| different a brain structure. Ketogenic diets can be
| beneficial, meditation is essential, but there are
| aspects of ADHD that simply cannot be fixed other than
| introducing more dopamine into your brain.
| arijo wrote:
| Watch this
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAbqXcSAzg&t=24s
|
| It's a Oxford's Keto for ADHD & Depression Randomized
| Controlled Trial
|
| My personal story is with psychosis which is as severe a
| mental illness as there can be - and I'm very thankful
| there are doctors and researchers out there battling all
| the misinformation about metabolic therapies.
|
| People have different brain structures, but all brains
| are composed of cells and cells depend on their normal
| metabolic pathways to do their job.
|
| I actually took dopamine reducing drugs for more than 20
| years and I do know from personal experience how these
| drugs mess up people's lives.
|
| So, yes I'm following a ketogenic therapy to, via
| metabolic normalization, regulate my dopamine pathways,
| and after 20+ year of misery I finally feel like I have a
| brain and a life.
|
| I hope everyone has the chance to benefit from this
| research as I am benefiting, because I do know how
| painful it is to be prescribed these drugs for life.
| shkkmo wrote:
| > ketogenic therapy is evidence based medicine
|
| There is only anedotal evidence and an animal study that
| a ketogengic diet reduces ADHD symptoms. There are
| reasons to be hopeful, but to call this "evidence based
| medicine" is a lie.
|
| I find it unfortunate that the Keto diet attracts such
| fanaticism. It makes it much harder to find good
| information about it.
| arijo wrote:
| You can find good information here -
| https://metabolicmind.org
| shkkmo wrote:
| I couldn't find anything on that site that wasn't
| marketing material. I didn't dig deep into that
| organization but it appears to be run by the type of
| fanatics that I am talking about. It is dedicated to
| advocating for a certain type of treatment, not dedicated
| to gathering what we do and don't know about the topic.
| arijo wrote:
| I'm not sure why you keep using the term fanatics in what
| should be a civil cpnversation - it makes me think that
| either you have an agenda you're trying to hide your
| simply put you're an extremely rude person.
| shkkmo wrote:
| I'm using the word "fanatic" becuse I think it's meaning
| is the closest to what I am trying to describe: "a person
| marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning
| enthusiasm, as for a cause." It isn't intended as an
| insult or perjorative, but a descriptor.
|
| I am coming from the perspective of being genuinely
| interested and wanting to try such a diet but unable to
| find any good information in the sea of fanatical
| marketing.
| detourdog wrote:
| What I think is interesting in your point number 3. is that a
| social framework be the reinforcement mechanism. Growing up in
| an isolated environment could presents one reality growing up
| in a strong social environment presents another reality.
|
| The coping skills in one reality my not translate to the new
| reality.
| sva_ wrote:
| > The change in clarity of mind and focus were life changing to
| me.
|
| Feeling smart != being smart. I was once doing a water fast for
| a week and felt rather enlightened after a few days, like any
| problem would be easy. Upon trying to churn on some more
| advanced math proofs and programming stuff, it seemed to
| actually be harder than it would usually be. In fact I quickly
| decided that my time would be better spent walking around
| outside in the woods.
|
| Fasting isn't really the same as keto of course. But I wonder
| if there are actual studies proving an increase in problem
| solving skills during something like a ketogenic diet or
| similar.
| arijo wrote:
| My ability to focus deeper and for a longer period of time
| increased substantially - I'm afraid my IQ is still the same
| ;)
| Gooblebrai wrote:
| > Feeling smart != being smart
|
| Like many psychedelic users can attest to. The mindset of
| enlightenment is just another mindset that can be produced by
| the brain by doing the appropriate actions
| Hugsun wrote:
| There are is an unfortunately large proportion of them that
| are fooled by the emotion and believe it.
| mewpmewp2 wrote:
| For me, I get drunk and I start to feel really smart and
| enlightened, however next day I usually cringe, but who
| knows maybe it was the drunk me that was the smart one
| and the cringing me is just too narrow minded and
| judgmental.
| itronitron wrote:
| It really depends on the task, some people are better at
| speaking a foreign language after they've had a few
| drinks.
| fsckboy wrote:
| oh, so that's why they become less intelligible to their
| native friends!
| gtirloni wrote:
| I can confirm. While visiting Russia and having a few
| drinks with friends, I could understand everything
| perfectly even though my vocabulary was just a few words!
| Just kidding of course but we seemed to be understanding
| each other really well and later when everybody was
| sober, we recalled it being a good time.
| im3w1l wrote:
| The sober mind has been trained to carefully construct
| grammatically flawless sentences for the teacher. Hence
| the sober mind is hesitant, fearful and prone to second
| guessing itself.
|
| The drunk mind he knows it not matter. Tempo and rhythm
| importanter. No stopping. Know not how conjugate don't
| conjugate. Not remember word loan other lingua. Say story
| no stopping manier words is gooder.
| vundercind wrote:
| I found that I had to get over feeling like I was
| _mocking_ a foreign accent, before I could become even
| passably-for-someone-bad-at-it good at an accent for the
| one other language I 've ever tried to semi-seriously
| learn. In fact, leaning into "mocking" it was the fastest
| way to improve. I bet that it's easier to get past that
| perceived faux-pas when a few drinks in....
| djmips wrote:
| Same with music.
| mewpmewp2 wrote:
| I'm pretty sure a drunk mind can read what you commented
| with ease and get the point, while a sober mind would get
| stuck and think "what is this" and do multiple takes
| before getting the point.
| lynx23 wrote:
| That. Joscha Bach pretty much summarized the problem with
| just one word: Overfitting. I've since spotted the
| pattern several times. People going all in on
| psychedelics, seeing them as the solution to almost
| everything. Leary and McKenna starting a cult. Esp.
| McKenna and the true hallucination story make it pretty
| obvious that these two brothers overdid it so much that
| they couldn't just leave it behind, they had to follow up
| and supposedly go deep on that stuff.
| mistermann wrote:
| > just
|
| I am always skeptical of instances of normal consciousness
| that claim to know the unknowable.
|
| Like how could one even conclusively fact check such a
| thing? Do people even try?
| bubblyworld wrote:
| I think if you're curious about this sort of thing you
| have to go the route of the gnostic and try to experience
| it for yourself (the bidirectional link between your
| actions and your mental state, I mean). Meditation is one
| approach, drugs another. Perhaps in the future we'll have
| the tools to study this stuff more quantitatively, but
| for now the mind seems to be mostly mystery to science?
| nunodonato wrote:
| I can't say I get smarter, but I have very vivid memories of
| after-fasting days, and in the morning it was really easy to
| focus on anything I would choose to focus on, the mind would
| be extremely concentrated and still.
| even_639765 wrote:
| Your body requires nutrients to function. Deliberately
| depriving your cells of those nutrients can't possibly be
| good for them and likely does them harm. You evolved to
| survive such catastrophes of course, but the key word is
| "survive".
|
| What states of mind can be induced by fasting is a separate
| consideration, it seems to me.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| I don't think deprivation is the right model. Cells are
| still getting nutrients, just from different sources,
| particularly fat. Animals have 500 millions of years of
| evolutionary experience using this energy source.
|
| I would be more concerned about the harm caused by not
| using this metabolic pathway, at least occasionally.
| even_639765 wrote:
| "Particularly fat"
|
| Fat contains lipids, not nutrients save the fat soluble
| ones.
| naasking wrote:
| > Feeling smart != being smart. I was once doing a water fast
| for a week and felt rather enlightened after a few days, like
| any problem would be easy. Upon trying to churn on some more
| advanced math proofs and programming stuff, it seemed to
| actually be harder than it would usually be.
|
| Exactly. Often touted for silly reasons, but it's definitely
| 100% true: feelings are not facts. Feeling healthier does not
| mean you are healthier. Feeling clearer does not mean you are
| clearer, etc.
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| Do you have any thoughts about the possibility that it wasn't
| ketosis but instead just a lack of gluten?
|
| I've not tried either but I've heard the same result attributed
| to making both changes (hard to know because they tend to
| coincide).
| arijo wrote:
| I think the main issue is the unhealthy up and down insulin
| spikes caused by modern high carbs diets.
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| That feels right. And it's good news too. I think I need to
| make some kind of similar change and for similar reasons
| and I'd really not like to eat and much meat as it takes to
| maintain ketosis. But there are a lot of ways to be blood-
| sugar-aware...
| ljf wrote:
| Look into the 'Slow Carb' diet - in simple terms you cut
| out sugar/processed carbs and replace
| bread/pasta/potato/rice with beans and extra veg.
|
| Then one day a week you eat what you want. I personally
| find it far easier to follow than Keto - and while the
| affects aren't as extreme, when I was being strict with
| it, I was at my leanest and healthiest I've ever been.
| Melatonic wrote:
| Do we really need to group potatoes in there ? They're
| not processed carbs at all and have more protein than
| most people think
| ljf wrote:
| They cause an insulin spike so yes - but you can bend the
| rules however you want. For me just doing something where
| I stop myself gorging on sweets/chocolate is half the
| battle. Anything that spikes my insulin makes me crave
| sweet foods.
| primitivesuave wrote:
| If you feel comfortable sharing, what is the meditation
| technique you practice? I am a Vipassana practitioner and found
| your observation to be anecdotally true - the commonly stated
| reasoning for the prescribed diet in a Vipassana course is that
| it minimizes the amount of blood diverted from other organs
| (i.e. the brain) to aid in digestion.
|
| In any case, I found your statement "nothing to lose and could
| always return to my previous, though less-than-optimal,
| lifestyle" quite inspiring - thank you!
| arijo wrote:
| My approach these days is to follow a meditation mantra:
|
| 1. Slow down - the moment I'm aware my mind is no longer
| quiet and alert because of some trigger (internal or
| external)
|
| 2. Stop suffering - I do a quick body scan for the associated
| sensations along the body, tell myself this is just a
| temporary mood change, it will go away the same way it made
| its way into my body and mind
|
| 3. Take a deep breadth - I focus on my breadth for a few
| seconds and relax
|
| 4. Let it go - I know I should not blindly believe any
| thoughts or feelings that take over my mind and try to get
| back to a relaxed state of mind
|
| I do this all the time not just during a few minutes of
| formal pratice. Its so ingrained in my way of being that some
| people close to me say my personality drastically changed.
|
| But there's still a long way to go.
| timacles wrote:
| Learn zazen and zen Buddhism meditation. All other methods
| are inferior.
|
| Simply observer your own thoughts and do not evaluate them as
| good or bad. Do this until you forget who you are.
|
| Simple yet extremely difficult
| naasking wrote:
| > 3. This can also be seen as a kind of reinforcement learning:
| we train ourselves to notice when we are mind wandering - this
| process in itself, after some time, conditions the mind to
| focus on the present moment
|
| I'm not sure how generalizable this is. Young kids that are
| still developing seem very present in most circumstances. I
| almost think we settle into mind wandering as we develop more
| responsibilities and have to plan further ahead and think about
| contingencies.
| timacles wrote:
| Not being present is an ego protection mechanism. Its classic
| psychology. As children get older, they develop ideas of who
| they are and naturally develop ways to protect their
| emotions.
|
| When peoples' mind wanders, they cling to things that made
| them feel good or "Day dream" of things that would make them
| feel good. They're not planning ahead or thinking about
| contingencies.
|
| Dealing with reality is hard, and being present means
| continually facing this harsh world. You can observe this
| with not just kids but adults in the modern world as people
| are more and more detached from reality and can live in some
| fantasy context by reinforcing with social media and internet
| echo chambers
| naasking wrote:
| Frankly, calling it classic psychology isn't saying much
| given the replication crisis. I think what you describe
| definitely happens sometimes, but to paint all mind
| wandering in this way seems like a stretch.
| aaarrm wrote:
| Any high level readings you can recommend on this? I'm not
| looking for a textbook, but something to give me a general
| overview of this and related concepts.
| phaedrus wrote:
| Does mind wandering in this context refer to daydreaming or does
| it refer to blanking out? As someone with late-diagnosed ADHD and
| likely also on the spectrum, I find myself struggling with both
| of these. I engage in a lot of Walter Mitty-esque hyper realistic
| daydreams, but I also have random periods of minutes of
| completely blank mind. Both result in a lot of "lost time" for me
| throughout the day. It runs in my family such we refer to it as
| "the our-surname fog".
|
| Skimming this paper it's unclear to me whether the author is
| referring to one or the other, or both.
|
| Interestingly I'm not sure that the mind wandering is separable
| from my creativity and problem solving. Often I'll come out of a
| blank period with the answer to something without consciously
| having been thinking about it. I think of these periods of "lost
| time" in my day as background processing - it's just my
| misfortune I live in a world where it's not socially or
| economically acceptable to space out for long periods throughout
| the day.
| even_639765 wrote:
| I don't know about the blanking out part, but the rest of the
| description sounds like a regular human being. That intense
| daydreaming is, while not everyone's state, pretty typical of
| people generally. People with powerful brains just experience
| things intensely or deeply, including their own reverie. You
| should harness some of that horsepower.
|
| But you always knew that, because it's obvious
| FailMore wrote:
| Mind wandering (or more precisely the activation of the default
| mode network) and dreaming are hugely linked. Interestingly the
| "direction" of the mind wandering during rem sleep is the inverse
| of anxious mind wandering. When we are anxious we have high
| levels of the neurotransmitter norepinephrine, but during rem
| sleep it's 85% below _base_ waking levels.
|
| In 2017 I wrote a paper discussing the implications for dream
| content and functionality. Here is the link for it:
|
| https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/k6trz
|
| And it was discussed on HN here:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19143590
| wslh wrote:
| After skimming the article, I found it unconvincing. It feels
| poorly structured, almost like something a high school student
| might put together for a monograph. The references seem to be
| there to add a sense of authority, but they lack clarity. Who
| exactly is the article referring to? Is it talking about all
| human beings, specific types of people like artists, or perhaps
| Einstein when he was daydreaming?
|
| There are plenty of successful people who possess this trait the
| article critiques, which makes me wonder if one strong
| counterexample is enough to challenge the entire premise. In my
| view, the argument lacks depth and fails to consider broader,
| real-world examples.
| calf wrote:
| I thought it was written by scientistic 1960s psychologists but
| it is actually from 2018, peak CBT pseudoscience.
| musicale wrote:
| For me, undirected mind wandering (daydreaming, background
| processing, actual dreaming and similar states) seems to be the
| best source of creative thought as well as flashes of insight.
| And semi-directed mind wandering (brainstorming as well as random
| walks down pathways of thought) seems to be essential to problem
| solving.
|
| However, schools and workplaces rarely appreciate any form of
| thinking that doesn't produce immediate tangible output with some
| kind of economic value.
| blueyes wrote:
| My personal goal is to make my mental happenings more visible in
| order to understand where I get off track while tackling a task.
|
| I think knowledge work in general is plagued by the intangibility
| of the processes that lead to its artifacts.
|
| Acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) has a few things to say
| about this. (Here's Jonathan Bricker's TedX talk for a glimpse:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTb3d5cjSFI&themeRefresh=1)
|
| And a lot of what ACT does happens to echo what Buddhists are
| trying to do in meditation.
|
| Maybe the most important aspect of mind wandering -- ie
| distraction -- is: what pushes us off track? In my experience,
| that's often a feeling of discomfort that is tied to the
| anticipated pain of a task. Sometimes that pain is tedium (I know
| what must be done and don't want to do it), other times it's
| complexity (I know I must do something but the exact steps are
| not clear), and other times it's sheer difficulty; ie I'm not
| breaking the task down into small enough chunks to feel able to
| do them.
|
| I'm looking for my own internal protocol to sense mind wandering,
| identify which type of perceived difficulty caused it, and then
| take the steps to stay on goal: if tedium, put on podcast and
| forge forth; if complexity, back up and unravel the vague
| aspiration; if sheer difficulty, break it down into small steps.
|
| I feel like the very ability to slip into metacognitive
| reflection depends heavily on my overall state, whether I'm doing
| all the right things like sleeping and exercising in order to
| monitor the internal course of work.
| w10-1 wrote:
| Interesting that they mentioned the default-mode network but not
| the salience network
|
| I experience mind-wandering as sampling salience signals when no
| signals dominate (as they do in reactivity and goal- or motor-
| planning).
|
| Mind-wandering presents unlike meditative absorption, when
| salience seems quiescent (or, conversely but rarely, sharp).
| andyjohnson0 wrote:
| What does it feel like to have a mind that doesn't (or only
| minimally) wander? I find it hard to imagine such a state. Would
| it even be psychologically healthy?
| fluoridation wrote:
| The mind wanders when you're doing something repetitive that
| doesn't demand much attention, or when resting. So I guess if
| you were engaged all the time in something that requires
| concentration, your mind wouldn't wander.
| metalman wrote:
| focusing a small lense is great but it wont help inprove its
| optical qualities which requires many small adjusments after the
| fact of creating a blank lense,size, or ,light gathering ability
| matters,but occlusions and outside conditions can determine the
| useability of the image produced and as we all know,there is a
| concerted effort happening to review all of the past ,randomly
| generated data,stored on film and tape by the metric fuck ton,
| for the secrets that exist there and only there,in sharp focus as
| our relentless gazing and fidgetings will be mined some other
| time and then as now,there are mad shamen gleefully and
| deliberatly burrying hints of what is,but cant be held
| banga wrote:
| Interesting article. Key takeaway for me was: "Masicampo and
| Baumeister (2011) provided further evidence that it is
| specifically unresolved goals and concerns that trigger habitual
| mind wandering." ... "Remarkably, making a plan freed
| participants from this kind of habitual mind wandering."
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