[HN Gopher] Love being interrupted when my monitor asks me to ac...
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Love being interrupted when my monitor asks me to accept user
agreements
Author : h2odragon
Score : 283 points
Date : 2024-10-19 17:27 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| Y_Y wrote:
| Is this the future you wanted? (Agree) (Later)
| Certhas wrote:
| I want that T-Shirt.
| domoregood wrote:
| Your LG monitor likely just read that comment and will bill
| you for the T-shirt immediately.
| disqard wrote:
| (Later) --> Remind me (Tomorrow) (3 days Later)
| netsharc wrote:
| Aargghh, a prompt similar to this is going to make me an
| extremist that'll wage j**d on IT companies!
|
| Google Photos wants you to turn on backups so you blow through
| your 15GB quota and buy storage from them, so once in a while
| when I open the app it screams "Back up is not turned on! You
| risk losing your photos!" (ok maybe not that hysterically).
|
| Then the "Back up photos" slider is active, and I just have to
| hit "Continue". I'd have to slide it to off, and the button
| changes to "Continue without backup" and I have to hit it.
|
| It's freaking disgusting that software companies now change
| your settings (ok, thankfully it still asks for your
| confirmation) and nag you about it every few weeks.
|
| BTW Google, I have a Google Pixel 1 phone that has lifetime
| unlimited photos backup, and I intend on abusing that
| functionality by using automated transfers between my daily
| phone -> my NAS -> Pixel 1 -> your servers until you fuck me
| over and delete my account.
| Nition wrote:
| Please scroll to the bottom and confirm you have read the
| entire FUTURE EULA before continuing.
| Terr_ wrote:
| By definition, another "future I wanted" _can only arrive_
| "later" than now, so those two options actually kinda make
| sense. :P
| perihelions wrote:
| And if you gaze for long into an LG(tm) liquid-crystal display
| monitor, the LG(tm) liquid-crystal display monitor asks your
| permission to gaze also into you.
| HPsquared wrote:
| Is this a side effect of allowing monitors to use USB-C? Is there
| some driver via WHQL that allows the monitor to connect to the
| internet???
|
| This seems to me like a potential security issue.
| johnnyo wrote:
| That was my question as well. What is the user benefit of the
| monitor having a network connection?
| m463 wrote:
| special offers!
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| Once you've identified the viewer you can see if they have a
| license for that they're viewing and report the thoughtcrime
| if not.
| jerf wrote:
| Why does my monitor need to do that? My OS, the Intel
| Management Engine, my application, the website I'm using,
| my internet provider, my modem's hardware stack, and the
| several networked microphones in my home are already doing
| it.
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| Consider the case where there's a quiet observer looking
| at the screen alongside you. The monitor also needs to
| identify them so that it can ensure that you're not an
| accessory to thoughtcrime by letting them look at your
| screen.
| rakoo wrote:
| Your monitor manufacturer isn't on the list and also
| wants a piece of that fresh brain meat
| wolpoli wrote:
| Until we could tap into your optical nerve or directly
| into your brain, the monitor is the closest we could get.
| IshKebab wrote:
| I don't think that really caught on that much. Film studios
| care about it, but TV manufacturers don't really.
|
| This is for advertising plain and simple (and probably
| selling user data to some extent). That's direct income for
| the manufacturers so they care about it a lot.
| secondcoming wrote:
| I use my monitor's network connection so devices connected to
| it via thunderbolt also have ethernet.
| wholinator2 wrote:
| But, why doesn't the ethernet just connect to the device
| directly? Have they really taken so many ports away from us
| that the only way to connect to ethernet is to daisy chain
| through a fucking smart monitor?
| unsnap_biceps wrote:
| Single cable docking. You plug your laptop into the
| monitor via USBC and it charges your laptop, provides it
| a Ethernet connection and drives the monitor display.
|
| It's neat, but not this dystopian neat.
| jonathanlydall wrote:
| Not defending the sickening concept of a "spy" monitor.
|
| But my Dell P2423DE monitor has a USB-C "dock" built into
| it so that I plug a single cable into my laptop which
| connects it to 2x 1440p monitors, power, mouse, headset
| receiver, keyboard and a wired ethernet connection.
|
| Quite frankly, it's awesomely convenient.
|
| It's totally legitimate to have a network port on a
| monitor.
| dotancohen wrote:
| That does not sound to me like a network port on a
| monitor. That sounds like a monitor / docking station
| combination.
| crazygringo wrote:
| I've never heard of this. What specific devices, if you
| don't mind me asking?
|
| I had no idea a Thunderbolt hub could serve as a parallel
| Ethernet hub, nor that there were devices that could or
| would want to take advantage of this.
| jsheard wrote:
| A few manufacturers are now shipping monitors with the same
| OS as their smart TVs, so they can stream Netflix and stuff
| standalone. OP has an LG one, and I know Samsung are also
| doing it on some of their newer models. Thankfully there's
| still plenty of dumb monitors on the market for now,
| including _most_ LGs and Samsungs.
| 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
| Given how garbage the software quality is on hardware
| devices, why would I ever want them to be connected to the
| internet? Ad/privacy or security concerns aside, even
| companies who should know better have shown they cannot be
| trusted and will continue to load up irrelevant patches
| onto a device until it eventually crawls under the
| increased computational demands. Slowing a previously
| responsive system.
| dgraph_advocate wrote:
| The manufacturer could have added connectivity via mobile
| baseband and a SIM card, just for the privilege of harvesting
| your viewing habits and passwords.
| Animats wrote:
| Hm. Will Linux drivers permit this thing to talk to the
| Internet? And if it can't reach the mothership, will it still
| work as a monitor?
|
| This has exploit potential. If a properly crafted ad can
| successful take over a monitor, the attacker now owns a USB-C
| device with an Internet connection. From there, it can make the
| device pretend to be some other USB device, such as a keyboard,
| mouse, and USB storage. From that point, they can do almost
| anything.
| Apreche wrote:
| My TV did this. The worst part was that it disappeared so quickly
| I didn't have time to get the remote and acknowledge it. There
| did not appear to be any way in the settings to go and handle it
| manually. I just had to wait and get lucky.
| yu3zhou4 wrote:
| This is the first time I ever thought we need an open source
| monitor hardware
| beretguy wrote:
| I feel like we need open source hardware cellphones too, and
| everything else.
| yu3zhou4 wrote:
| Fair point
| moepstar wrote:
| Need? Absolutely.
|
| How good will it be? Hopefully better than the OpenMoko
| Freerunner I once had - good idea, worst execution ever.
| Wouldn't even work half decently as a phone, not to mention
| any other aspects of it...
| exe34 wrote:
| I have started preparing myself mentally for a future where I
| give up on most of modern technology in the home and just go
| back to paper books/vinyls/etc.
| yu3zhou4 wrote:
| I guess it could become so difficult that it could be easier
| to RE the hardware and remove all the spying stuff
| amatecha wrote:
| Same. My newest computer is from 2015... That said, at least
| one vendor is making computers I'm willing to purchase:
| https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/mnt-reform-next
| krenzo wrote:
| Unfortunately, DisplayPort and HDMI specifications are kept
| private unless you're a paying member. I've successfully
| implemented DisplayPort 1.2 in an FPGA from specification
| documents I found, but I could never find the specification for
| anything better.
| kebokyo wrote:
| Do you have anything online documenting how you did this?
| That's actually really cool
| mafuy wrote:
| I thought only HDMI is problematic, and DP is quite open?
| rspoerri wrote:
| Better get a firewall for you monitor. Maybe a usb-c plug that
| filters non visual traffic? /s
| meindnoch wrote:
| A prepaid cellular modem is installed to transmit _essential_
| telemetry.
| micahdeath wrote:
| This would be a great thing to hack to get free internets. =D
| meindnoch wrote:
| Those SIMs usually have very limited bandwidth packages.
| tremon wrote:
| Great, make sure you max out that bandwidth with random
| garbage (preferably to the same endpoints that the
| telemetry goes to) to prevent your owned devices from
| exfiltrating your life.
| netsharc wrote:
| The idea of TVs doing this smells of urban legend to me, but
| a friend bought a new car recently, and he can connect to it
| from his phone (obviously over the cloud), he was wondering
| how it works because he didn't have to subscribe to anyhing,
| but yeah it has cellular connectivity paid for by the car
| manufacturer...
| ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 wrote:
| This is one from a line of LG monitors that state they come with
| webOS
|
| https://www.lg.com/us/smart-monitors
|
| https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-32sq730s-w-smart-monitor
| nuancebydefault wrote:
| Wow the Q&A's answers seem AI generated... Everything about
| these 'smart' monitors feels quite 'fabricated' to me. I feel
| next time I shop for a monitor I will skip LG.
| morkalork wrote:
| Coming soon to monitors with integrated webcams: please drink
| verification can to continue working!
| airstrike wrote:
| Sadly they've only given us Mountain Dew flavored Doritos but
| not the other way around yet...
| tokai wrote:
| Doesn't microsoft have that patented?
| Randor wrote:
| I know you guys are joking, but there use to be a Microsoft
| energy drink, that was only available to employees.
|
| https://www.google.com/search?q=Microsoft+employee+Talking+R.
| ..
|
| The blue one actually tasted really good. Was available on
| campus for several years in nearly every building. :)
| moffkalast wrote:
| A-ring-a-drink-a-Bing
| zinekeller wrote:
| Actually, it's Sony's patent 8,246,454 which has that
| "interactive networked video game" feature
| (https://patents.google.com/patent/US8246454B2/en), and AFAIK
| there isn't a "drink verification can"-style patent yet.
| WaxProlix wrote:
| Not sure if it's this one in question, or even from a real
| patent at all, but I think this is what GP was referencing;
| it made the rounds a few years back.
|
| https://i.redd.it/wb7lhfporqj91.png (sorry for reddit pic
| link, poked around a bit and this was the one I could find)
| andrepd wrote:
| DRINK VERIFICATION CAN
| 93po wrote:
| mountain dew is for me and you
|
| in a life-imitates-art twist, Xbox did in fact release an Xbox
| minifridge that was mountain dew colors many years after this
| greentext
| dredmorbius wrote:
| For those as out of the loop as myself, apparently a 12 year
| old 4chan greentext meme:
|
| <https://imgur.com/please-drink-verification-can-dgGvgKF>
| CoastalCoder wrote:
| I'd love to see a lawsuit regarding them knowingly shipping a
| monitor with this defect.
|
| When the EULA is blocking the content, the monitor isn't working
| as advertised. And they willingly shipped it like that.
| mimischi wrote:
| So is this Recall by Microsoft, without having to use Windows?
| Great!
|
| /s
| rglullis wrote:
| I am seriously considering creating a dropship company focused
| _exclusively_ on buying and selling electronic components that
| are sold for parts and people can assemble them at home, Ikea-
| style.
|
| I would start with selling 50" and 65" inch "dumb" TVs. Just the
| panel, a nice enclosure and a board with an IR receiver, TV tuner
| and HDMI outputs. BYO top box and Soundbar. I wonder how fast it
| would take to get 10000 orders.
| CooCooCaCha wrote:
| Is it even possible to just buy panels for normal consumers?
| beAbU wrote:
| Look up "large format display". Its basically a TV sans any
| smart shit. Used in commercial display applications, dynamic
| menus in restaurants, info panels etc.
|
| They are mad expensive because presumably they are not
| subsidised by the shitware that "smart" tvs ship with.
| wpietri wrote:
| I'm sure the ad revenue is part of it, but the commercial
| ones are also built for 24/7 operation over the course of
| years. And I expect another part of the added expense is
| that they know commercial purchasers aren't as price
| sensitive.
| Ferret7446 wrote:
| The entire reason that smart TVs are cheap with ads is
| because consumers "prefer" that. If (most) people bought
| expensive TVs with no ads, companies would, you know, sell
| that.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Consumers only have a choice among what is already been
| made available in the marketplace.
| FireBeyond wrote:
| Even the high end $3,000, $4,000+ TVs have ads. Show me a
| mainstream TV that doesn't.
| meindnoch wrote:
| Customer here!
| seletskiy wrote:
| Drop me a line if you ever decide to start. Be glad to help.
| pixiemaster wrote:
| please do. but it seems it would be more expensive to produce a
| tv with less features: https://www.tomsguide.com/features/dumb-
| tvs-heres-why-you-ca...
| leereeves wrote:
| "Google pays between $12 and $15 per unit to a manufacturer
| like TCL or Hisense per TV that uses Google TV."
|
| I'd be willing to pay a $15 premium for a TV that is built to
| do what I want, not what an advertiser wants.
| neilv wrote:
| As a journalist once said to me, regarding a different
| topic (local politics in some city), something like: _I
| wasn 't surprised that bribes were happening; I was
| surprised that the bribes were so small._
|
| Similar applies here: incredulous that, in various aspects
| of the tech industry, customers/users are often being sold
| out for such small amounts of money.
|
| (Though manufacturing is easier to understand than a lot of
| software-only businesses, which aren't about cost
| engineering.)
| bee_rider wrote:
| It sort of makes sense. Like, I'm very bothered by this
| spyware-industrial system and put a high value on my
| privacy. But, objectively, I am extremely boring and
| seeing what I'm looking at is actually worth much less
| than $15.
|
| It is actually really weird how popular this business
| model has become (I guess it is a thing because people
| don't read the fine print). Invasion of privacy is, I
| think, extremely asymmetric, so the business model of
| spying on people is a huge destroyer of value.
| bigstrat2003 wrote:
| I would absolutely love something like that.
| snakey wrote:
| I've also thought about this in quite some depth. I think
| people would be willing to pay a premium for simple, quality
| electronics.
|
| I also think there could be a good opportunity to expand this
| to kitchen appliances too. Premium quality but really dumb. I
| would be a loyal customer
| doe_eyes wrote:
| With kitchen appliances, it's already a thing. For example,
| there's a "retro" brand that sells microwaves with a timer
| knob:
|
| https://www.amazon.com/Nostalgia-NRMO7YW6A-Countertop-
| Microw...
|
| The problem in that segment is that it's basically the same
| disposable, non-repairable tech that's destined to the
| dumpster in a couple of years. The company is selling the
| _appearance_ of having a different design philosophy, and it
| works because the consumer has no way of telling.
|
| So, if you want to do anything more profound in that space,
| it's going to be hard to compete.
| Nition wrote:
| I think you make a good point in general, but the Ikea
| TILLREDA microwave might be a better example of cheap and
| simple: https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/p/tillreda-microwave-
| oven-white-6...
|
| That one you linked has actually quite a lot of features -
| the 12 presets, auto cooking mode, weight setting, the
| potentially confusing buttons like "express" and "micro
| power".
| Tempat wrote:
| Microwaves that are just time and power setting, cooktops
| that are just four knobs, ovens that are just mode and heat,
| maybe a simple timer... I'd buy those too.
| bloqs wrote:
| Sign me up
| jbombadil wrote:
| I would love to buy a TV with a great image quality, a bunch of
| ports, image tweaking and nothing else. No wifi, no cellular,
| no internet, no speakers.
|
| Honestly? Doesn't even need a remote provided CEC works fine
| with my Apple TV.
| cassianoleal wrote:
| How would you tweak the image via CEC over the Apple TV?
| throwup238 wrote:
| Potentiometers on the side. (I'm only half joking)
| meindnoch wrote:
| HDMI CEC v1.3 specification, page 38: "Device Menu Control"
| silisili wrote:
| I think you'll find the price at that volume and without
| subsidy a bit higher than a lot of people want to pay.
|
| It may be cheaper and even easier to just buy and somehow
| modify Onn/Hisense into dumb displays, though I've never
| explored the idea myself to know how feasible it even is.
| neuralRiot wrote:
| Honestly when you see what a modern TV has inside and how it
| is assembled you realize that there's not much "subsidy".
| leptons wrote:
| Just don't connect the "smart" Tv to the internet. It's still
| a "dumb display" if you don't give it internet access. Don't
| give it wifi access, don't plug in an ethernet cable.
| M_bara wrote:
| I think the hdmi standard allows for Ethernet over hdmi.
| That's a sneaky way in for your tv
| sgerenser wrote:
| While its allowed by the standard, its not something that
| is often used. Certainly the AppleTV that I use does not
| even offer an option to share its network connection over
| Ethernet. And I'm not aware of any other box that does.
| jodrellblank wrote:
| It'll only be a matter of a few years before it has a 5G
| modem and doesn't give you a choice to "just" not connect
| it to the internet.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| If apple can't get free data for their cellular devices
| theres no hope for vizio et al.
| jodrellblank wrote:
| Amazon set a precedent with Kindle 3G keyboard edition
| many years ago; it had free worldwide cellular access for
| buying books and had an experimental web browser good
| enough for webmail. I never thought it was free from the
| carriers, I assume the bill went to Amazon.
|
| If Vizio can't arrange that alone, they could pool
| together many manufacturers and devices, offer the phone
| companies a copy of the data, or wait until the cost
| drops low enough.
| marshray wrote:
| The data required to exfiltrate the telemetry and serve
| ads is vastly smaller than that used by the average
| iPhone.
| moepstar wrote:
| Problem is: you'd still be stuck with a Hisense TV. They got
| planned obsolescence built in, most of their TVs power
| supplies go out after only 4 years or even less.
| edgineer wrote:
| How about BYO tuner while you're at it?
|
| See the LG 48 CX OLED television versus the Gigabyte AORUS
| FO48U OLED monitor. The LG was a jump in quality and
| performance (4K 120Hz) and many people bought it to use as a
| computer monitor. But it's smart (cannot disable advertising
| itself over Bluetooth while on), cannot be woken up over HDMI
| (requires using the remote control to turn on each day) and it
| does not have displayport in.
|
| The Aorus is the same panel but not a TV, functions as a
| monitor should, and I would have bought that instead had I
| known.
|
| If a product finder like alternativeto.net existed, where you
| find non-shittified alternatives to a popular appliance, I
| would use it every time I shop.
| mhuffman wrote:
| You can search NewEgg or Amazon for "Business TV" or
| "Commercial TV" and they will almost all be "dumb" TVs. They
| are readily available.
| ska wrote:
| Readily available at a good premium.
|
| You can sometimes get a great deal on these during
| liquidation though.
| stavros wrote:
| Nope, you're getting the ad-infested TVs for a good
| discount.
| kibwen wrote:
| Well, they're at a discount if your privacy has no value.
| avmich wrote:
| You have to decide what's more valuable to you - an extra
| chunk of money or the privacy which is endangered with
| the cheaper option.
| stavros wrote:
| No, they're at a discount period. They're sold for less
| money.
| rowanG077 wrote:
| I really doubt manufacturer lose money on smart tv sales.
| water-your-self wrote:
| I wanted to find a reputable source to back up this claim
| but instead I found a link from the atlantic. I did not
| read it, its behind a paywall and its not peer reviewed.
| The general concensus is that smart = subsidized by
| adware
|
| https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/01/sm
| art...
| gradstudent wrote:
| > I did not read it, its behind a paywall
|
| Browse to the article, click reader mode, click refresh.
| Might need to be in a private window, in case of cookie
| shenanigans.
| rowanG077 wrote:
| The link simply states that they make a lot of money from
| the malware on TVs, something I'm not disputing. I am
| disputing that if I would buy a TV burn it without ever
| turning it on they manufacturer would lose money. In
| essence: The ads are simply pure profit on top of the TV
| sale.
| dylan604 wrote:
| > Readily available at a good premium.
|
| You have this backwards. The consumer "smart" units are
| subsidized by the monetization of the data they hoover up
| as you use it. This subsidized price has become accepted as
| normal price, but they clearly are discounted prices.
|
| Yeah yeah, economy of scale on consumer vs prosumer+ units,
| but if you really believe that is the sole reason you are
| sorely mistaken
| mananaysiempre wrote:
| The Framework folks hit an unexpected snag with a similar idea:
| turns out the US tax on a laptop assembled in Taiwan is much
| lower than on a box of parts made in Taiwan that you can
| assemble into a laptop yourself. (Why? Because.) Thus the
| strange not-really-DIY "DIY edition".
| bee_rider wrote:
| What is a laptop anyway? Can somebody sell 60 2-in-1
| convertible laptops where the top bit comes off and also has
| an HDMI in port? The computer could be a raspberry pi or
| something...
| borski wrote:
| Probably. This is a thing with guns, too. In CA, for
| example, owning an AR15 with certain features is illegal.
| But separate the upper from the lower, and you no longer
| have an AR15; now you have parts, none of which are
| semiautomatic and center-fire on their own. That's no
| longer illegal (though if they can prove intent everything
| changes, of course).
|
| IANAL, but I always found that kind of loophole
| fascinating.
| pc86 wrote:
| No, the lower is still legally considered a firearm. It
| can't fire anything, and it's not a gun in practical
| purposes, but for purposes of regulation it is still a
| firearm.
|
| The reason it's probably still legal to have in
| California is that California bans a lot of largely
| cosmetic or non-functional items. For example, many
| states ban threaded barrels which by itself doesn't
| change any characteristics of the barrel other than the
| fact that it has a thread on the end of it.
| everforward wrote:
| I believe California has some laws that specifically
| apply to semiautomatic firearms, which an AR15 lower is
| not. The lower is incapable of semiautomatic fire (as in
| the gas blowback/piston system is in the upper).
|
| They sell single-shot .50 BMG uppers, non-semiautomatic
| AR15 uppers do exist.
|
| I believe the majority of stuff California regulates
| attaches to the upper anyways, which isn't a firearm
| under federal law (unsure if Cali is weird about that).
| Bump stocks and responsive triggers are the only things I
| can think of California might regulate that go on the
| lower, and last I heard the ATF was tracking those down
| as an NFA violation.
| zmgsabst wrote:
| The bump stock ban was struck down as exceeding statutory
| authority [*] in June.
|
| https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-strikes-
| dow...
|
| [*] - edited reason after rereading; this wasn't 2nd
| amendment, but ATF misinterpretation of the law
| pc86 wrote:
| The lower is the serialized part, and is regulated in
| isolation as a firearm in every instance I am aware of
| (but I am not familiar with California gun laws
| specifically).
|
| Unless a CA-licensed attorney knowledgeable in California
| gun laws and ATF regulations specifically told you that a
| particular CA law applying to "semiautomatic firearms"
| does not apply to your AR-15 lower in isolation, do not
| listen to random internet comments about it _especially_
| when they begin with "I believe." Regardless of where
| you fall on the issue politically or ideologically, it's
| an objective fact that California's government is hostile
| toward its citizens possessing and bearing firearms, and
| being fuzzy on what is or is not a felony is a risky
| proposition.
|
| If you're wrong, best case scenario you will lose all
| your guns, worst case you will end up in federal prison.
| WillPostForFood wrote:
| CA regulates magazines and pistol grips (in combination
| with other parts) which attach to the lower receiver. Not
| sure you are fully correct in saying the lower is not a
| semiautomatic firearm. While the lower by itself is
| clearly not a complete and functional firearm, and not
| capable of firing without an upper, the
| sear/disconnector, which determines semi/full auto is
| part of the lower.
| somat wrote:
| Specifically in the case of ar-15 pattern firearms,
| having the lower be "the firearm" is hilarious. the lower
| is a low precision, low pressure part. it is actually one
| of the easiest parts of the firearm to make. and because
| the lower is the controlled part, every other part, the
| ones that are hard to make, are readily available.
| meindnoch wrote:
| You mean import tax? Then the solution is simple: assemble a
| dummy device from the components, pay the lower import
| duties, and then disassemble it and sell the parts. This is
| called tariff engineering.
| svilen_dobrev wrote:
| i think somebody is already doing it - you may combine forces.
| Check this thread, about year ago:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35484594
|
| also, check this one from yesterday:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41855403
| epcoa wrote:
| Wouldn't hold my breath.
|
| The relevant subthread really is this:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35487062
|
| Industrial panels make horrible TVs. Even if you use an
| appropriate panel, there's more than just designing a sheet
| metal case.
|
| Based on people suggesting commercial large format displays,
| apparently some don't understand this. The market for someone
| foolish enough to drop $3k on a large screen without Dolby
| Vision is very small though. People that are absolutely cost
| conscious will continue to buy the loss leader crap TVs.
| alkonaut wrote:
| Try buying the regular smart ones and disabling the spyware
| while keeping the rest of the subsidized price. It would be a
| legal battle about whether you can actually enforce some terms
| of use that would prohibit it. The rough part is having to
| cover the warranty when resold which will cost a lot. But
| probably still cheaper than the dropshipped dumb panels.
| sgerenser wrote:
| I recently picked up an 85" Sony TV from Costco on clearance
| for $1399 (this model originally retailed for $2500, its only a
| step or two down from their top-of-the-line). I connected it to
| a hardwired ethernet cable, let it do the software updates,
| then unplugged it. No need for it to be online if I'm just
| using it with an AppleTV box anyway. I'd suspect an 85"
| "business TV" would be at least 4-5x the price.
|
| Funny thing was after the software updates, the next day the TV
| prompted me to install a firmware update on the remote. First
| time I've ever seen that one.
| Ancapistani wrote:
| IR receiver is optional IMO. Most people would plug an Android
| TV box or media PC into it anyhow, which will handle volume
| control and power via HDMI.
| White_Wolf wrote:
| Just order a standard, add infested one, and a basic chinese
| board for it. Sellers will flash them for your panel and all.
| It can't any more basic than that.
| bogwog wrote:
| I wonder what would happen if Amazon introduced a boycott
| feature. It could be a list of active boycotts next to the buy
| button on a product page. Customers can choose to join one of the
| boycotts instead of clicking the buy button, and then get
| redirected to a list of alternatives.
|
| It won't ever happen obviously, but I wonder if it would solve
| these types of problems? Consumers collectively boycotting
| something is the most powerful way to fight things like this, but
| I can't think of a successful example of that in recent times.
| Even "viral" boycotts on social media platforms are likely to get
| limited reach due to algorithm fuckery. Or is it that nobody but
| us tech nerds actually cares about stuff like this, and even a
| blatant in-your-face boycott feature on Amazon wouldn't make a
| difference?
| squiffsquiff wrote:
| It would probably be possible as a third party extension. See
| Fakespot extension for instance.
| Aurornis wrote:
| > I wonder what would happen if Amazon introduced a boycott
| feature. It could be a list of active boycotts next to the buy
| button on a product page
|
| A feature that simultaneously discourages sales, encourages
| retailers to pull products from the platform, and heavily
| incentivizes abuse from competitors who would benefit from
| convincing customers to boycott their competitors products? For
| some reason I don't imagine Amazon product managers are going
| to like this idea.
|
| Boycotts are wishful thinking in the modern era of online
| shopping. The Venn diagram of people who would actively boycott
| a product like this and the people who would seek it out on
| Amazon has no overlap. These products are targeted at people
| who do purchasing for their office or who click the buy button
| without taking 1 minute to glance at reviews. The people who
| care enough to actively boycott have already read reviews of a
| product before they seek it out for purchase.
| bogwog wrote:
| If Amazon were competing to win customers, they might do
| something like this to increase trust in the quality of the
| products on their store. Of course, that's not Amazon. The
| only significant threats to Amazon today are anti-trust
| regulators.
| talldayo wrote:
| I don't think it's competitive, it's suicidal. No rational
| storefront would ever tell you all the terrible things
| about the products they stock, no matter how large or small
| they are. It's insulting to the suppliers and _more
| importantly_ , stops people from impulse-buying big-ticket
| products.
|
| You might argue that showing these "boycotts" would stop
| people from returning these products, but it would also
| curtail a whole lot of buyers that would consider it "good
| enough". Amazon deserves their fair shake by the FTC but if
| you think _this_ is the reason then you 've got pretty
| bizarre expectations.
| hyperadvanced wrote:
| Agreed, sadly comment OP is in dreamland about why an
| E-commerce company would ever even consider doing
| anything to stop people from buying things, regardless of
| quality or any other external factor.
| jonnycoder wrote:
| This would be a fantastic chrome extension because Amazon would
| never do this. It would be great to vote on the reasons why to
| boycott, allowing the most egregious reasons at the very top.
|
| I'm on the fence regarding a "likely boycott" for Ooni pizza
| ovens, specifically the Karu 16 dual fuel. There are many
| videos about defective or improperly installed thermocouples.
| Ooni has some really helpful FAQ guides for fixing it on your
| own, but I was amazed at how many videos exist about this
| problem for an $800 pizza oven.
| netsharc wrote:
| Hah, like the ad-block extensions you'll be able to download
| boycott-lists.
|
| But as Basil Fawlty said... don't mention the war!
| mihaaly wrote:
| Not buying alone sounds a pretty powerful boycott thing.
|
| Unluckily, so many care less than nothing, buying whatever is
| the cheapest and loudest in praising itself with the biggest
| lies or misdirection. There is a huge and successful market for
| these kind of customers. Actually it overwhelms the small group
| of conscious costumers. So manufacturers are making less and
| less 'honest' products.
| acd wrote:
| Have your pet accept the EULA :)
| andrewinardeer wrote:
| Did they really get interrupted or did they willingly click into
| 'Settings' and select 'Reset AD ID'?
|
| Why would a device, monitor or TV or refrigerator, randomly reset
| it's AD ID?
|
| I believe this is just your stock standard X (formerly known as
| Twitter) ragebait post.
|
| Congratulations, you fell for it.
|
| It's a shame ragebait is now popping up on this site.
| zizee wrote:
| I don't think the "interrupt" part of this is what I find
| concerning.
| vaindil wrote:
| The title text is from the quoted tweet, not the one that's
| directly linked.
|
| https://twitter.com/snwy_me/status/1847389300687860062
| h2odragon wrote:
| apologies for the confusion, i could have linked the first
| tweet but the further exploration was also interesting
| scrubs wrote:
| Related: my mac bugs the hell out of me to accept new cloud Eula
| junk after os upgrade ... it's constantly popping up every 5 mins
| or so and can interrupt shutdown. Out stubbornness I've ignored
| for 6months running.
| scrubs wrote:
| Related: my mac bugs the hell out of me to accept new cloud Eula
| junk after os upgrade ... it's constantly popping up every 5 mins
| or so and can interrupt shutdown. Out stubbornness I've ignored
| for 6 months running.
| buttercraft wrote:
| What keyboard is that and where do I get one?
| jsheard wrote:
| Topre Realforce R2, but that colorway was a limited edition and
| it's already gone.
|
| https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/topre-realforce-r2-...
| amatecha wrote:
| Nice, I've got the same (default colorway)! Such a good
| keyboard! I built/bought many keyboards and finally got tired
| of the search and decided to finally try the fabled Topre...
| so good <3
| ortusdux wrote:
| I just want a somewhat trustworthy group to create a 'dumb'
| certification.
| saxonww wrote:
| I wonder if they bought these on purpose, or if the monitors were
| provided by their employer. That looks like an office.
|
| It's hard to sympathize with someone buying one of these in 2024
| and then being outraged that it wants to do ad tracking. 'Smart'
| monitors are so easy to avoid right now, they are all clearly
| marketed as such and it's still the case that premium 'dumb'
| monitors are available in every category.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| We updated security policy at our company to prohibit use of
| monitors that aren't specifically authorized.
|
| One of our customers detected a risk in an audit - it hadn't
| occurred to anyone. Now we log display connections and customer
| facing folks can be terminated for violating the rules.
| amatecha wrote:
| Holy. This is so dire. I like how "smart" is always a euphemism
| for "shitty" when it's the prefix of a technology product.
| karmakaze wrote:
| Jury's still out on the Smartphone with a good number of
| pros/cons.
|
| I'd bet that many who are enraged by this story, have already
| accepted numerous such agreements in the software/sites they
| use.
| kristjank wrote:
| I am outraged by the lack of outrage over this enshittified
| dystopia. I would like to think myself better than that but
| things have really escalated to a point I really wish death and
| illness upon the advertiser leeches that started and continuously
| fueled the enshittification train till the point that we're at
| now.
| mysteria wrote:
| A lot of vehicles also show this on the nav screen every time you
| start the car, and many websites also display similar popups when
| you visit. It's a disgusting practice but it certainly isn't new.
|
| BTW if you want a TV that doesn't have any of these smart
| features you can get one of those commercial displays used in
| malls, train stations, and such. They're expensive though.
| bri3d wrote:
| For what it's worth, this is a Smart TV (ie, a streaming box)
| that happens to also be monitor sized. I have no idea why anyone
| would buy one of these for primary use as a computer monitor, and
| the marketing and messaging is clear and up-front that these are
| streaming devices running an Internet connected OS.
|
| Why streaming devices need to be so ad-infested is a different
| interesting topic, but IMO this "my monitor has an EULA" thing is
| just engagement bait.
| vunderba wrote:
| Agree - this _twitterbait_ is purposely omitting relevant
| details that this is _NOT_ a traditional external display in
| any sense of the word. I mean the category of displays on LG 's
| website is labelled "Smart Monitors with webOS" - which should
| be a clue right there.
|
| That Samsung/LG/etc. are sulfurous pits of spyware is a
| completely different and well understood problem (but
| coincidentally too pedestrian to garner the desired rage
| induced upvotes).
| tealkitsune wrote:
| LG has a page dedicated to "LG SmartMonitors", and the photo
| shows a desk with mouse and keyboard, no mention of TV or Smart
| TV
| tlonny wrote:
| I would love to create a simple, searchable directory of consumer
| appliances, software and services that list all the ways you are
| _objectively_ fucked over as a consumer (I.e. whether something
| sells your data, requires always-on internet connectivity,
| requires additional subscriptions to unlock full functionality,
| etc..)
| sxp wrote:
| It appears to be this line of Smart Monitors:
| https://www.lg.com/us/smart-monitors
|
| Why the fuck would anyone buy a "smart monitor" that is hooked up
| to a computer? Are they too incompetent to directly watch
| Netflix/Prime/etc on the computer? What is LG's target audience
| here?
|
| I'm guessing snwy_me got the monitor from someone else and forgot
| to factory reset it and disable WiFi.
| bialpio wrote:
| I bought something like this from Samsung. Honestly, was an
| oversight that I only started regretting when I learned that
| the controls to change the input source suck in a major way
| (not possible to switch source via a provided remote, source-
| switching buttons are very inconveniently placed at the bottom
| of the monitor and sometimes enter full settings instead of the
| source-switch menu). Lesson learned the hard way. And yeah, I
| keep the wifi disabled on that thing, except when occasionally
| checking for updates in the hopes that they fixed that shit via
| a software update.
| karmakaze wrote:
| Yeah, I'm trying to see what the problem is here. Seems like
| just a reason to gripe. What difference does any of this makes
| if the monitor itself is only fed a video signal (i.e. don't
| connect its wifi). Does the monitor fail to operate without its
| WiFi connection or something?
| indrora wrote:
| My partner has the Samsung equivalent of these.
|
| It's the only way to get a good hidpi panel in the 5K space
| without breaking the bank. They also have DEEP integration with
| the Samsung ecosystem like dex integration.
|
| LG has been getting into this market; their target market
| appears to be folks that want to have a miniature tv at their
| desk in small (studio) apartments to watch Netflix, etc on
| without fiddling with a pc. Which makes sense: in Korea and a
| lot of other places now, 200sqft apartments are becoming more
| common and the affordable option without splitting with others.
| freetime2 wrote:
| I have a similar monitor from LG. I pair it with a MacBook, and
| there are times when the MacBook isn't connected, but I still
| want to watch Netflix. Or even when the MacBook is connected,
| if I'm not at my desk it's easier to control with the remote.
| It actually sees more use as a standalone streaming device than
| as a monitor.
|
| I think smart monitors are convenient multi-purpose displays
| and make a lot of sense for home use. Not so much for office
| use like in the source tweet.
| JayGuerette wrote:
| Any TV that doesn't have your WiFi password is a dumb TV. No TV
| I've owned to dated has _required_ network connectivity to work.
| vunderba wrote:
| Yeah this is something I feel like doesn't get talked about
| enough. I have a raspberry PI that acts as my streaming device
| connected to my Samsung "Smart" TV and since Samsung can't get
| on the WIFI it's effectively just a display terminal.
| wcfields wrote:
| I'll keep repeating this but I used to be a TPM for "advance
| analytics" for a major media agency and we used this data in our
| reporting for ad reach effectiveness.
|
| From a previous comment of mine:
|
| > ... my Insignia TV (best buy store brand) with fire tv built in
| is basically unusable. Echoing a previous comment I made too,
| about "smart tvs" and the "streaming sticks": Hey, have you ever
| thought of why even the $149 Black Friday loss-leader no-name-
| brand TVs all have Amazon Fire, Roku, or are now "Smart" in some
| way? Certainly isn't because they need to incentivise you to
| connect it to the internet so it acts as a Nielsen-esq
| measurement device of all media you view on the screen via
| digital fingerprints that exist in all commercial media and
| advertisements. [1][2]
|
| [1] https://www.ispot.tv/
|
| [2] https://www.samba.tv/
| tzs wrote:
| A particularly annoying aspect of monitor makers blurring the
| distinction between monitors and TVs that I hit with my Samsung
| S9 5K is that my Samsung TV remote can turn the monitor on/off
| and the monitor remote can turn the TV on/off.
|
| Did it not occur to Samsung that people might have their computer
| in the same room as their television?
| mihaaly wrote:
| I don't know, I am still processing the 'remote for a monitor'
| idea. Sounds like the 'remote for a car stereo' kind of thing.
| Is this for people with short arms perhaps?
| fortran77 wrote:
| Many of the responses to the post on X don't seem to realize that
| the _monitor_ is putting up this message, and they're blaming
| "windows"
| talldayo wrote:
| HN will really say anything except "We should regulate common-
| sense bad behavior" huh?
| jiggawatts wrote:
| I don't know why everyone here thinks it is unconscionable for a
| hardware vendor to block user access to content with a pop up,
| when this is _standard practice_ in the entire software
| industry.[1][2]
|
| I've had Microsoft Teams interrupt my presentation to a CEO to
| force me to click through some stupid dialog that a self-
| important developer put in there at the direction of an an even
| more self-absorbed manager.
|
| "STOP TALKING NOW! You are nothing! Only our imagined legal risks
| matter! Click here to accept. DO THIS NOW."
|
| It didn't _exactly_ say that, but it may as well have. That was
| the meaning.
|
| [1] https://how-i-experience-web-today.com/
|
| [2] Command line tools used in unattended workflows will hang,
| waiting for EULA acceptance from a human who isn't there:
| https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5151034/psexec-gets-stuc...
| doright wrote:
| New video game idea: In the 21st century, with increases in
| computational and networking power it is now inevitable that any
| device with a screen attached can be reconfigured to show ads.
| You fulfill this inevitability by hooking up your portable
| advertisement control computer to every car infotainment system,
| smartwatch, and Adafruit 16x16 RGB LED matrix in sight. Bonus
| points (your salary) for stealth interstitial insertion.
| Buttons840 wrote:
| Player controls a character that runs around putting ads on
| every screen and empty surface, gameplay is periodically
| interrupted by satirical EULA updates.
| fmajid wrote:
| I knew most Smart TVs do these shenanigans, but computer
| monitors?
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