[HN Gopher] Remembering Phil Zimbardo (1933-2024)
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Remembering Phil Zimbardo (1933-2024)
Author : haunter
Score : 31 points
Date : 2024-10-17 21:37 UTC (2 days ago)
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| toomuchtodo wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo
|
| > Philip George Zimbardo (/zIm'ba:rdoU/; March 23, 1933 - October
| 14, 2024) was an American psychologist and a professor emeritus
| at Stanford University. He became known for his 1971 Stanford
| prison experiment, which was later criticized severely for both
| ethical and scientific reasons. He has authored various
| introductory psychology textbooks for college students, and other
| notable works, including The Lucifer Effect, The Time Paradox,
| and The Time Cure. He was also the initiator and president of the
| Heroic Imagination Project.
| getwiththeprog wrote:
| The Lucifer Effect is a great book. It's thesis is "what makes
| good people do bad things". I recommend it to anyone
| considering doing bad things, or to anyone who knows good
| people who do bad things.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| that book [0] appears to be mostly a re-telling of the
| situation, enactment and repercussions of the Stanford Prison
| Experiment (SPE) with some speculative material tacked on the
| front and back of that.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucifer_Effect
| philwelch wrote:
| And the Stanford Prison Experiment was somewhere between an
| extraordinarily poorly designed experiment and an outright
| hoax.
| kfrzcode wrote:
| Have you read the Lucifer Effect? It seems like you might
| not have read the book.
| philwelch wrote:
| Does the book contain an apology for perpetrating the
| hoax? If not I'm not particularly interested.
|
| The Stanford Prison Experiment is the kind of thing that
| gives the entire field of psychology a bad reputation.
| It's literally used as a case study in how not to design
| experiments.
| drfuchs wrote:
| Fun Fact: The Stanford Computer Science Department was (mostly)
| housed in Margaret Jacks Hall from 1980 - 1996, and if you went
| down to the basement where the department's mainframes and
| Arpanet IMP and phototypesetters lived, just around the corner
| were the "cells" where the Prison Experiment took place. Creepy.
| yapyap wrote:
| :( This is even worse considering that the prison experiments
| turned out to be highly influenced by Zimbardo and eventually
| his wife put a stop to him more or less telling the guards to
| abuse the prisoners
|
| Basically it's a sca
|
| Edit: source https://scribe.usc.edu/the-stanford-prison-
| experiment-a-sham...
| canjobear wrote:
| It's not hard to find the hall. Grad student offices now, I
| believe.
| lenerdenator wrote:
| So they still harbor the same amount of mental and emotional
| strain, is what you're saying?
| yapyap wrote:
| I get that the writer of this article is great friends with
| Philip but I think it's not fair to mention the Stanford Prison
| Experiment and then not mention the fact that it turned out to be
| a sham study.
|
| https://scribe.usc.edu/the-stanford-prison-experiment-a-sham...
| BeetleB wrote:
| He responded to many of the accusations here:
|
| https://www.prisonexp.org/response
| armoredkitten wrote:
| Not to mention the article says it "was also instrumental in
| changing how people are treated during psychological research"
| -- Uhh, yeah, because the lack of ethical safeguards in the
| study became a major issue and we realized we needed to correct
| that. You don't get credit for ethics reforms by _being the
| unethical person._
| ffujdefvjg wrote:
| SPE was fraud, he told the guards to act like "tough guards"
| and then said publicly "the guards were given no specific
| instruction or training on how to be guards," which is what
| made it probably the most famous psychology study of all time.
|
| https://gen.medium.com/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62
|
| https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/6/14/17464516/st...
| robjwells wrote:
| Archive link for Ben Blum's article: https://archive.ph/kn1Eb
|
| The two scientists who conducted "The BBC Prison Study" in
| the early 2000s wrote about the revelations in the Zimbardo
| archive material here:
| https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/time-change-story
|
| Thibault Le Texier, whose book History of a Lie brought this
| information to light, wrote a summary paper in the American
| Psychologist:
| https://letexier.org/IMG/pdf/LeTexier_Debunking-the-
| SPE_Amer...
| CamperBob2 wrote:
| As if real prison guards in oppressive regimes spend a lot of
| time in ethics classes.
|
| The idea behind SPE was not to ask if something _could_
| happen or how it _should_ happen, but to ask how something
| _did_ happen. It achieved the results it was intended to
| achieve, as did the similarly- "discredited" work by Milgram.
|
| The conclusion in both cases was inescapable: if you order
| someone to commit an atrocity and they refuse, all you have
| to do is to ask the next person in line. You won't have to go
| very far or wait very long.
| phlakaton wrote:
| At Stanford Zimbardo taught one of the most popular classes in
| the university, "The Psychology of Mind Control." From my
| roommates I understand he would talk about techniques of
| manipulation used by cults and despots.
|
| It surprises me not at all that Zimbardo would be involved, in
| the end, with a project warning about Donald Trump.
|
| RIP.
| wslh wrote:
| > It surprises me not at all that Zimbardo would be involved,
| in the end, with a project warning about Donald Trump.
|
| But from a non-partisan perspective, it's important to
| recognize that these kinds of psychological techniques are used
| by politicians across the entire spectrum.
| ellisv wrote:
| Methods of persuasion and influence are used widely for all
| types of advertising and marketing, but some methods are
| employed more frequently by some groups than others.
| wslh wrote:
| I think Zimbardo's work on shyness is a valuable contribution
| that could resonate with the HN community, especially given the
| focus on introspection and analytical thinking here. His book on
| the subject [1] offers insights that might be relevant to many.
|
| [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/672266.Shyness
| wodniok wrote:
| I watch his TED talk once a year about the psychology of evil and
| make me aware of the seven rules that he has established.
|
| 7 Processes that Grease the Slippery Slope of Evil
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| 1. Mindlessly taking the first small step.
|
| 2. Dehumanization of others.
|
| 3. De-individuation of self (anonymity).
|
| 4. Diffusion of personal responsibility.
|
| 5. Blind obedience to authority
|
| 6. Uncritical conformity to group norms
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| 7. Passive tolerance of evil through inaction or indifference
|
| https://www.ted.com/talks/philip_zimbardo_the_psychology_of_...
| szundi wrote:
| Is this the cheater Zimbardo who completely lied how the most
| popular prison experiment of the world was falsified?
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