[HN Gopher] Crokinole
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Crokinole
Author : Tomte
Score : 591 points
Date : 2024-10-17 16:54 UTC (1 days ago)
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| smeagollover wrote:
| pool for children?
| anamexis wrote:
| Definitely not just for children! It's a really fun game for
| everyone, and it's a lot easier to have a crokinole board
| around the house than a pool table.
| sleepybrett wrote:
| After building my own.. not much ;) big enough to be annoying
| to store (doesn't quite fit under the couch or in many tiny
| closets. A lot of them have hardware sunk into the
| bottom/back of the board for wall hanging.
|
| But yes, super fun. See the youtube video I posted elsewhere
| in the thread for a pretty great 'review' of this game which
| dates back to at least 1867.
| dang wrote:
| More like shuffleboard. It's great for children (I grew up
| playing it), and is fun for children and adults to play
| together.
| yabones wrote:
| Far from it. This is the game that turns your calm book-and-
| armchair grandpa into a wild competitive lunatic. It turns your
| sweet auntie into a table-flipping animal. It's up there with
| Euchre for turning old people into unhinged gamers, and I
| absolutely love it for that.
| shimon wrote:
| I'm particularly impressed by your choice of "up there with
| Euchre" as a metaphor to explain Crokinole. It's like you
| wanted to make it relatable for people in a larger geographic
| region, but only a _little_ larger.
| srameshc wrote:
| Growing up we called it Carrom board, which is square board with
| 4 pockets in the corners. I never knew there was an American
| version of it as Crokinole board.
| sleepybrett wrote:
| Canadian. I haven't played Carrom, but it's my understanding
| it's Indian in origin and plays a bit more like a billiards
| variant, even going so far as to use tiny pool cues.
| pixelatedindex wrote:
| I haven't played in a while but as long as I remember, there
| aren't any pool cues but there are varying (house) rules on
| how/where the disc can be flicked
| dagw wrote:
| I think there are few different variants of this game. I
| played the version with the tiny pool cues as a kid, but we
| called it Couronne. Looking at images online it seems the
| main difference between Carrom and Couronne is that in
| Couronne you hit the pieces with a cue and that the pockets
| are much bigger than in Carrom.
| darreninthenet wrote:
| Crokinole is Canadian
| almostdeadguy wrote:
| Different game, but Carrom is supposed to be great as well. I
| haven't played it but many of the folks I follow on BGG prefer
| it to Crokinole.
| rendx wrote:
| I played both and own a Crokinole board, but strongly prefer
| Carrom. It's similar but still quite different.
| pahool wrote:
| Generally, crokinole is a much less punishing game than
| carrom, if we're talking about Indian carrom boards. American
| carrom boards, that were really popular in after-school
| programs when I was growing up, have relatively HUGE pockets
| than the Indian boards, in addition to being smaller boards.
| American carrom is like playing 8-ball, Indian carrom is like
| playing snooker.
|
| I like carrom a lot, but I'm terrible at it. I'm at least a
| reasonable player at crokinole, and it's a lot easier to
| introduce others to the game without them getting too
| frustrated by it.
| pahool wrote:
| Also, a lot of American carrom boards were produced with a
| checker board one side and a crokinole board on the other
| side.
| sleepybrett wrote:
| Shut Up and Sit Down, popular quirky boardgame review
| site/channel, did a review of the game, you can find it here:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg
|
| It goes over some mostly made up history and covers the rules and
| why the game is so addictive. Also talks about some games that
| are similar from different parts of the world like Carrom.
|
| I built myself a bigass hard to store circle after seeing the
| SUSD review and it's quite popular with the nieces and nephews
| and their cousins.. and the parents and grandparents around the
| holidays... and popular with my friends when we're a little tipsy
| and hanging out.
| titanomachy wrote:
| > In non-competitive, less plamigerent settings, their skills
| really shine
|
| "Plamigerent" isn't a word, and I can't find any English words
| similar to it. It seems an unlikely typo. I wonder if the author
| included it to catch LLMs plagiarizing his work.
| mike_ivanov wrote:
| Lexical watermarking! If that's the case (and if this idea
| sticks), I'm wondering how far it could go.
|
| One could imagine a (dystopian?) world where everybody speaks
| they own highly individualized, maybe even copyrighted
| language, and where interpersonal communications happen via AI
| translators.
| collingreen wrote:
| :( is this our generations version of cyberpunk theme?
| peeters wrote:
| That would be an interesting contrast to 1984's dystopian
| Newspeak, which aimed to eliminate all individuality in
| language.
| mike_ivanov wrote:
| That would be its dialectical counterpart
| voidUpdate wrote:
| This used to be a thing in dictionaries. My favourite word is
| "Esquivalience", which was defined in the New Oxford American
| Dictionary as "The wilful avoidance of ones official
| responsibilities". Prior to that, the word didn't exist, and
| it was used to catch people just copying the words from their
| dictionary. Very similar to paper towns on maps
| russsamora wrote:
| you found it! i suppose i owe you a prize... it was initially a
| test to see how closely people read, but was also curious about
| LLMs.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| A perfectly cromulent strategy!
| 1-more wrote:
| Any of these words meaning "flame"
| https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-
| Slavic/p... + "-gerent" so "flame-making" makes sense in
| context. Could also be "palma" which is Polish for "stain" (a
| funny sentence when you consider dropping the uppercase
| letter). Rare to mix Slavic words with a Latin suffix like
| that, but just as valid as Greek-Latin words like television,
| homosexual, and hypoadrenalism.
| wwilim wrote:
| plama*
| 1-more wrote:
| yow, sorry, yep.
| morkalork wrote:
| "You shall know a word by the company it keeps" and so you've
| now added to the English language, congrats!
|
| >plamigerent adjective /,plaemI'dZer@nt/
|
| Etymology: Derived from the prefix "pla-", suggesting play or
| game, and "migerent," possibly from the Latin "migrans,"
| meaning moving or changing, combined with a connotation of
| belligerence.
|
| Definition: Describing a setting or atmosphere characterized
| by competitive tension, where the dynamics of skill are
| heavily influenced by aggressive or disruptive play. Often
| contrasts with more relaxed environments where players can
| fully showcase their abilities.
| wwilim wrote:
| The opposite would be "plamiable"
| titanomachy wrote:
| It's a nice word. Sounds like plausible English, but unlikely
| to be mistaken for any real word. The context strongly
| suggests a meaning, so the text is easily interpretable
| without looking it up.
| dimatura wrote:
| That stood out to me too! It's a fun-sounding word. I googled
| it prepared to learn something new, only to get one hit - this
| article.
| abridges6523 wrote:
| I was wondering about that too.
| russellbeattie wrote:
| Man, Google is quick these days. I just searched for that exact
| word and your comment came up first! Glad to know I wasn't the
| only one.
| scrumper wrote:
| Ha, came here for the same comment (after stopping by Tracey
| Boards to order a set for my family first.)
|
| It's a good coinage. I took it to mean something along the
| lines of competitively pressured in a structured combative
| manner and it does kind of sound like it could mean that. Which
| I guess it now does.
| dicytea wrote:
| For those frustrated with the game not working, it looks like
| that the canvas rendering the disc can block the "Place disc"
| button, depending on your initial window size. To fix this, use
| your browser's device simulator (Ctrl+Shift+I -> Ctrl+Shift+M on
| Chrome, Ctrl+Shift+M on Firefox) to narrow the window's width,
| then refresh the page.
| prmoustache wrote:
| Thanks, I struggled for a while understanding why I couldn't do
| anything.
| julianeon wrote:
| This seems like a great social game. I like how it's very tactile
| yet looks like it could be taught, or learned, in a few short
| minutes.
| eliasson wrote:
| It is. Every now and then when we have guests at home we bring
| out the board and it is an immediate success. Age does not seem
| to matter, I have played with people between 10 to 80 years old
| everyone gets the mechanics within a few minutes.
|
| Highly recommended!
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| Introducing it to new folks and then watching them sink their
| first 20 is so awesome.
| adamgordonbell wrote:
| Played in basement at grandmas house as a kid, in Southerner
| Ontario.
|
| I've never seen it spelt before.
|
| As a kid, it was said like: Crow-ken-no
| sgt wrote:
| That makes sense. Crow-ken-no is kinda like Crokeno without the
| -le.
| graypegg wrote:
| My grandparents had a crokinole board! I'd say it's definitely a
| known game among older generations around southern ontario, but
| much less common with younger folk. It's really fun though, and
| families that do play it can get really competitive about it.
| transcriptase wrote:
| It's popular in Atlantic Canada too, especially when the weather
| prohibits washer toss!
|
| https://www.mynslc.com/en/Discover/Whats-the-Occasion/Happy-...
| legitster wrote:
| Crokinole exploded in the board game community a few years ago. I
| got a lovely hand made board from Canada.
|
| It's a purely tactile experience - the way the disks crack when
| they hit each other, the bounciness of the pegs, getting that
| perfect shot between two sets of pegs, swinging used disks around
| on the ring at the end of the round - it's a very satisfying toy.
|
| You'd be right to think of it as another version of shuffleboard
| or curling, but the game can live on a small table and you can
| crank away games from the comfort of a chair with a beer.
| vundercind wrote:
| On _the_ board gaming website, Board Game Geek, It sits in the
| 47th overall rank by ratings (this is _very_ high, even quite
| good games are often well south of 1,000 in the overall ranks)
| and _fifth_ in the family games category.
|
| https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/521/crokinole
|
| I'd have had a board years ago if not for worrying it'd become
| another huge rarely-used thing to store or dispose of, after
| perhaps a year of good fun with it. Still haven't played.
| binarymax wrote:
| Eh, chess is ranked #453, go #219 and backgammon #1545. The
| highest ranking game is "Brass: Birmingham" which I have
| never heard of - so I don't know what to make of these
| rankings.
| jefftk wrote:
| They're not ranking games on whether you've heard of them,
| but on how fun the BGG community finds them to play.
| Monopoly is rated #27,258.
| binarymax wrote:
| I certainly understand that. But again I don't know what
| to make of the rankings. Yes, I know this is a niche
| community and yes I know there are more games than these
| classics...but comparison on Crokinole being #47 among
| thousands of games in the community is difficult to
| interpret for someone who hasn't played hundreds of
| different board games.
| legitster wrote:
| The best boardgames, as scored by people who play
| boardgames.
|
| No different than the top review aggregators for any
| medium. The top movies on Rotten Tomatoes are not ranked
| just by name recognition.
| vundercind wrote:
| BGG is heavily about[1] the _board game night_
| experience. Family, gamer group, newbies with a seasoned
| board gamer showing them some new games, that kind of
| thing.
|
| Two-player games tend to suffer in the rankings to begin
| with, for that reason, though some do OK. Two player
| games with long or highly variable play times tend to
| suffer even more. Two player games that a brand new
| player is unlikely to enjoy playing against someone with
| even moderate skill is an even bigger handicap.
|
| There's also, undeniably, some novelty factor, especially
| near the top of the lists--which is part of why
| crokinole's ranking is so remarkable.
|
| Approximately nobody is breaking out chess or go at a
| board game night, even as a sidebar game for two players
| while they wait for others to finish a larger game. Maybe
| speed chess, I suppose. But in general those are less
| "we're having a game night" and more "we're having a
| chess/go/backgammon night" sort of games. Like, if
| someone's not _into_ chess and you suggest a chess match
| to kill some time waiting for the rest of the group to
| show up, they're probably going to be less-happy than if
| you pulled out any of dozens of lightweight, quick
| 2-player games with fairly good BGG ratings. By that
| metric of game night suitability, chess and go et c.
| _aren't_ top-100 material. They're less board-gamer games
| and more chess-person or go-person or whatever games.
|
| [1] By this I mean the preferences and interests of the
| active parts of the community tend to run this way. You
| see lots of midweight attractive-looking newb-friendly
| (and also well-designed!) games good for multi-game
| gatherings, and big baroque "we're getting together for
| six hours to play one single match of _this game_ " games
| near the tops of lists, as a result, as those are the two
| kinds of game-playing gathering that are the ideal form
| of board gaming for the crowd there. It's not a place
| with an unusual density of chess tournament fans, you
| know?
| yifanl wrote:
| I mean, Brass Birmingham and many other high ranking
| games would be rather poor choices for pick-up and play
| game nights with most groups (number 7 is Twilight
| Imperium, which takes 6 hours on the short end!). Indeed,
| a lot of them can be played as deeply as Chess or Go.
|
| There's been study over what "biases" the site has, which
| I personally think is rather uninteresting (what's the
| use of a global ranking without bias, after all?), but
| there's a lot more to it than what's easy to learn.
| vundercind wrote:
| Yeah, the other category (I mentioned in my footnote-
| edit) is giant games that you dedicate a large part of a
| day to. Diplomacy, Twilight Imperium, that stuff. The two
| ideal gaming-situations for BGG-type gamers are multi-
| game game nights, and gatherings to play a single round
| of gigantic games that they can never get their more-
| normal casual game night enjoyer friends to play with
| them :-)
|
| Further, you see a lot of "This game has seen tons of
| play at our table! Maybe 100 times!", not like chess
| where 100 matches is something someone who's barely even
| interested in chess may achieve by accident (I bet I've
| played 200+ matches in my life, and I'm not really that
| into chess, don't find it as fun as probably _most_ other
| board games I 've played, and remain entirely terrible at
| it--and I mean it, even chess programs set to stupid-mode
| so they only look one move ahead get me about half the
| time, because I reliably blunder badly at least once per
| match and they catch it every single time). It's just a
| very different crowd than the dive-very-deep-into-one-
| game sorts that might rate whichever game they've chosen
| to do that with as #1 and aren't even really looking
| around for other games.
|
| There are exceptions in the rankings, that's not
| absolute, but mid-weight game night games that play
| something in the 4-8 range, good lighter filler games for
| game night, and enormous this-is-your-whole-day games,
| tend to be the ones that do well, assuming they're also,
| like, actually good for what they are. That's why super-
| famous games like chess aren't higher than they are (if
| chess were just invented today I bet it'd struggle to
| break the top 5,000--"Two stars, some of the variant
| rules are OK but ultimately if you want an abstract two-
| player game on a grid, you're better off with GIPF, and
| the knife-fight tension and wonderful portability of
| something like Hive just isn't present here, if you want
| a game with theme but don't really care about it
| connecting well with play--which this game clearly
| doesn't--just get Hive. Also they should print the piece
| layout and move sets on the board, it's hard to remember
| all that stuff and it's not like that space is used for
| attractive artwork or anything mechanically-relevant
| except the grid anyway.")
| sleepybrett wrote:
| They also have a complexity score, so you can certainly
| search for 'find me the highest rated game as simple as
| monopoly'
| kelseydh wrote:
| BGG has a lot of problems with its ranking system, but
| one of those is that it favours complex games.
|
| The reason being is that complex games are played by
| fewer people and those who do master it are more likely
| to give high ratings. Whereas, a less complex game gets
| played more and is subjected to harsher ratings.
|
| Somebody made a great data analysis of reranking BGG
| ratings by complexity for the real top games list:
| https://dvatvani.com/blog/bgg-analysis-part-2
| hyperhopper wrote:
| I would disagree, BGG favors simple games. There is not a
| single hex and chit game in the top 100. Not a single
| 18xx game in the top 100, and I think that entire genre
| could fill up 20 of the top 25 if not penalized for their
| complexity.
|
| BGG is allergic to any complex games. Your mental model
| of BGG rankings is incorrect, the number of ratings is
| more important than the average rating as long as that
| rating is reasonably high. 10,000 players giving a game
| and 8 or 9 will rank higher than a game that 200 players
| gave a 10.
|
| Your link uses the weight score, but the problem is the
| concept of "weight" is ambiguous and non-normalized. For
| players that play complex games, a normal hex and chit
| game or 18xx game would be a weight of 3 or 4, so that's
| what those games are rated at. For the average BGG user,
| a game from either of those genres would be a 5 or even
| past that in their mental model, but they don't play
| complex games so only mid to mid-high complexity games
| get rated a 5 weight on BGG. Your third party analysis
| still falls victim to both this bias and the problem of
| only looking at popular (which also means non-complex)
| games
| dagw wrote:
| _BGG favors simple games_
|
| I don't think that's fair either. If you look at the
| ratings, BGG seems to prefer games that score between
| 3.5-4 out of 5 on their complexity scale.
|
| If they prefer anything it is novelty. The oldest game on
| their current top 20 is from 2005 and 15 out of the 20
| are from the past 10 years.
| underyx wrote:
| Interestingly Crokinole goes all the way up to rank 5 in
| this adjusted list.
| tanjtanjtanj wrote:
| Twilight Struggle, a two player game, was the number 1
| game on BGG for years. There are a fair number of two
| player games currently in the top 100 as well.
|
| I think BGG has a couple biases that work against these
| classic, well regarded competitive games.
|
| 1. These games are so well-played and studied that they
| are terrible to play against skill-unmatched opponents.
| Some of the games in the top 100 would suffer the same
| but for that no one has tried to treat them the same way.
|
| 2. Just like with any other hobbyist rating website,
| there is a bias toward games that will increase board
| gamer hipster cred. Chess, Backgammon, etc are not worth
| anything here.
|
| I also think there are plenty of games that are just (to
| my taste) better than the classics but of course ymmv.
| IshKebab wrote:
| Yeah because most people do not find chess, go or
| backgammon particularly fun. Sorry to burst your bubble if
| you thought they were somehow perfect games.
|
| BGG rankings tend to be pretty good. I find they rate co-op
| games, sequels, kickstarted games and very heavy games a
| bit too highly. But apart from that they're good.
|
| I don't know why you would expect Backgammon in particular
| to be highly ranked. It's got more strategy than most
| highly random games (e.g. cribbage) but it's not _fun_ , at
| least not compared to the many many better board games that
| exist now.
| vundercind wrote:
| As I mentioned in another comment, I expect most of these
| classic games would do even worse if they were released
| today. Struggling to find an audience, ranking down in
| the lower reaches on BGG. The communities around them and
| their cultural heritage are what they're really _about_ ,
| and I doubt that you could bootstrap them back up to
| their current prominence if they showed up out of nowhere
| today, based solely on the strength of the games _per
| se_. Though, to be fair, the majority of top-100 BGG
| games will be all but forgotten in 100 years, too.
|
| All the more reason Crokinole--a far less well-known
| classic game than backgammon or chess or go--ranking so
| highly is remarkable.
| hibikir wrote:
| Not so few: It was a big hit in the Gathering of Friends
| convention almost 20 years ago, and BGG con started
| commissioning 2 new custom painted boards every year: One to
| raffle, and one to keep.
|
| It's a great activity to do while you are waiting for some
| people to show up. As any dexterity game, the issue is playing
| across skill levels. Going against an experienced player as a
| newbie means they better take it easy on you, or you are never
| scoring a point
| randlet wrote:
| > I got a lovely hand made board from Canada.
|
| If anyone is interested Eddycrest [0] makes beautiful high
| quality boards also available with custom graphics. They are a
| very small family business producing great sewing furniture and
| game boards!
|
| disclaimer: the business is near and dear to my heart as my
| brother is one of the carpenters/jack of all trades there.
|
| [0] https://eddycrestco.com/collections/all-crokinole
| s0rce wrote:
| I played as a kid in Canada in the 90s. Fun game.
| pjot wrote:
| When I was a kid my neighbors (who were from Ontario) taught me
| this game - we played all the time! It's been over 20 years since
| and every few I try and recall what "that game" was. So glad to
| have seen this!
| yifanl wrote:
| For interested woodworkers, here's a nice post-mortem of
| someone's attempt at making a Crokinole board:
| https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/731671/postmortem-on-the-hi...
| (Complete with creating a set of jigs from scratch)
|
| Really shows how much has gone into a silly flicking game you
| play at the pub.
| fanatic2pope wrote:
| It looks like those instructions are from 2011. CNC machines
| are pretty common these days and could help simplify it quite a
| bit.
|
| For example:
| https://hub.shapertools.com/creators/5cfea3909fc9260017675dc...
| sleepybrett wrote:
| routing or skill sawing a circle is not rocket science that
| requires the use of a cnc router thingie.
| msoucy wrote:
| I, as a fledgling woodworker, was able to make my own board
| with some guidance from a friend. It's definitely a rewarding
| and educational project! Plus it makes a nice wall decoration
| when not in use. I used Purple Heart wood for the edges, which
| looks gorgeous but was difficult to work with. It took a few
| days of 3-4 hour blocks, due to a busy schedule, so a more
| experienced woodworker should be able to do one pretty easily.
| sandymcmurray wrote:
| And now you need to know about Crokicurl, a mash-up of Crokinole
| and curling!
|
| https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/crokicurl-curling-cr...
| blast wrote:
| Curlinole would be easier to say...
| codenberg wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/@TraceyBoards/videos
| idunnoman1222 wrote:
| If you do play crokinol and have never used Gliss powder I
| suggest you try it, though it is a bit messy
| hawski wrote:
| I watched it two or three times before I understood I was
| watching a 30 second loop, only because I was getting impatient
| and showed all controls in the browser.
|
| Amazing feat of repeatability, but also nerve control. One
| mistake and you are losing it. Even if it looked less fun than
| later videos.
| Notorious_BLT wrote:
| Got a board a year ago and love it, a friend tried it once and
| bought a board too. I'm tempted to get one delivered to my
| parents and in-laws, so we can all play when I go out to visit.
| It's so simple to teach, and yet there's a ton of room for
| improving simply by playing. Any time we have people over, the
| board eventually comes down off the wall, and the first-timers
| get a quick lesson.
| sergiotapia wrote:
| feels like I could crush it in this game, i grew up playing lots
| of canicas as a kid in Bolivia :)
| mlhpdx wrote:
| I played this game as a kid at the local grange hall. I don't
| recall how it came to be a part of the local scene back then, but
| I've recalled it fondly over the years.
| amelius wrote:
| Is this an air table?
| ZeWaka wrote:
| No, it's basically covered in extremely small sand particles
| that make the pucks glide - like table shuffleboard.
| pahool wrote:
| Often in tabletop crokinole play, the "sand" isn't even used.
| Modern boards are often slick enough to get away with playing
| without it, and if it's a board that you roll out regularly,
| you may not want the cleanup overhead associated with using
| shuffleboard "sand."
|
| Also note that you'd never use actual sand on a crokinole
| board or tabletop shuffleboard. Sand, wax, or powder is what
| the shuffleboard products are referred to as and are made of
| specially formulated silicone beads (much less abrasive than,
| say, beach sand) or cornmeal, or even sometimes ground walnut
| shells.
| sleepybrett wrote:
| you don't use those shuffleboard wax beads, you use 'gliss
| powder' which is often boric acid powder, or like even
| tinier, microbeads. the stuff the use on those shffleboards
| you find in pubs is much to corse.
| https://www.maydaygames.com/products/crokinole-premium-
| gliss...
| 8n4vidtmkvmk wrote:
| Not sand. It's a powder. I don't actually know what my family
| uses now that I think of it... Like a baby powder or
| something.
| gpm wrote:
| Huh, we (family, extremely casually) just played on the
| bare wood...
| 8n4vidtmkvmk wrote:
| We usually don't put anything at all unless it feels like
| they aren't gliding properly. Depends on the board.
| ZeWaka wrote:
| They've had this at PAX (East & West) the past years, it's been a
| ton of fun playing it and getting better.
| ink_13 wrote:
| I remember the first year they introduced it, as a final in the
| Omegathon. It was really tense!
| losvedir wrote:
| Learned about it at PAX East this year. Was the sleeper hit of
| the event for me and a couple of my friends! It was right there
| next to Klask, which is another kind of interesting tactile
| game, though I preferred Crokinole.
| charlietran wrote:
| I love IRL Crokinole so much that I made a single-player tower-
| defense-ish version of it for the browser:
| https://games.charlietran.com/crokunolu/
|
| Made it with the Crisp game library which I highly recommend for
| quickly making charming little 2D games:
| https://github.com/abagames/crisp-game-lib
| ddek wrote:
| Nice game, works great on mobile
| sgt wrote:
| Love it!
| gagik_co wrote:
| This is super fun; easy to get into and really nice that it has
| proper mobile support, great stuff!
| SyrupThinker wrote:
| Very fun. Unfortunately there is a way to, in my opinion,
| cheese it. I made it to 2485 on my second attempt.
|
| Reversed to avoid spoiling the game: .gard ot reyalp eht
| gnicrof yb devlos eb dluoc siht ebyaM .kcab ot kcab tsrub eht
| reggirt ylbailer ot mhtyhr a ni taht od ot eunitnoc tsuj nac
| uoy ,kcilc ot ecalp thgir eht dnif uoy fI
| charlietran wrote:
| That's great feedback, thank you. I built a rudimentary
| control scheme on top of the minimal Crisp library and will
| take a look into doing a little more with it.
| kookamamie wrote:
| Cheesed the game, this person has.
| archon810 wrote:
| This is a hilarious way to provide spoilers without spoiler
| tag support.
| vunderba wrote:
| Good job. Problem with a game like this is that it's too
| deterministic, you use the exact amount of impulse to aim the
| disc at the exact same spot every time. If you have decent
| handeye coordination it swiftly becomes rather trivial.
|
| The real game is less deterministic purely by having to contend
| with messy real world physics. If you want to make the game a
| little more engaging, I'd recommend trying to figure out a way
| to mix up where you have to fire the shots from, etc, add
| blockers to get in the way to shuffle the timing, etc.
| charlietran wrote:
| This is true, I jammed the game out rather quickly but next
| thing I'd try is a hold-for-power control scheme (like the
| interactive demos in the article)
| capital_guy wrote:
| This is a thing of beauty. Thank you for sharing!
| ionwake wrote:
| as someone who has made huge mammoth games that I have never
| finished, this is the most well executed stylistic epic damn
| thing EVER. From the sounds to the low res, love it.
| zknow wrote:
| so cool to see this on here, I'm from rural southern Ontario and
| I feel like I always have to explain it to anyone from the city
| or 'not from these parts'
| tantalor wrote:
| _A matchup not unlike ... Swift vs. Eilish_
|
| What does that even mean.
| reducesuffering wrote:
| Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish are very big pop stars. It's
| trying to make a comparison like a battle of the "greats"
| tantalor wrote:
| Okay but this is a sport, with objective winners. How do you
| win at being a pop star?
| fwip wrote:
| Use your imagination.
| renewiltord wrote:
| This seems like a fun game. One that I enjoy playing is Carrom
| which a friend taught me. It's a similar game, except the pockets
| are in the four corners of a square board and then it's like
| pool.
|
| There are some fun trick shots people do online
| https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PTTeLj-fSQA
|
| And you can manage a couple of the trick shots yourself with a
| little practice. It's honestly quite lightweight and easy to
| learn which makes it fun.
| zem wrote:
| I was reminded of carrom too, it's super popular in India. kind
| of like a cross between crokinole and snooker or pool; you need
| to get your pieces into pockets using a striker, and avoid
| getting your opponent's pieces in. physically, one big factor
| is that you're flicking a heavy striker into a much lighter
| disc.
| bitlad wrote:
| Looks like carrom but easier.
| maxglute wrote:
| Carrom is like pool (maybe harder, like billiards), crokinole
| is like bowling. You can get serendipity strike while
| inebriated, hence popularity.
| ninju wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrom
| Waterluvian wrote:
| Had no idea Crokinole was a local thing.
|
| In Grade 7 it became big in our classroom. We ended up having a
| weekly tournament. I could never shoot the pieces reliably, so I
| made a tool out of K-Nex that resembled an elastic-powered pool
| cue inside a barrel that rested nicely on the board. I even had a
| slider I could adjust to "remember" the right amount of power for
| a given shot.
|
| The specific rules that came with the board did not cover this,
| but after me absolutely crushing the first tournament it was
| summarily banned. This might be part of my engineer origin story.
| jat850 wrote:
| This game has such a special place in my heart - like others, I
| have some beautiful handmade boards, some of which have been in
| my family for a couple generations. Canadian as well which seems
| thematically common here. My father and I spend as much time
| trash-talking each other about playing as we do playing. And my
| grandmother was a complete shark, the crokinole matriarch who
| would put any of us to shame.
|
| Another reason why I will always appreciate HN and its breadth of
| community and interests.
| kashif wrote:
| Carrom is so much better
| extr wrote:
| At my first job we had a very senior canadian on my team. He
| introduced Crokinole to the workplace and it never left. A lot of
| fun and honestly the perfect "office 15 minute break" game.
| Though inevitably there were a lot of "Come on, best 2 out of 3."
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| Crokinole is so much fun. I wish boards were not so expensive and
| difficult to keep nice or I think it would be much much more
| popular. It inspired me to try a whole slew of other
| tactile/physical "board" games.
| pahool wrote:
| Have you tried Flickwars? I don't own it, but played a demo
| version at a board game convention maybe five years back. I
| still keep wanting to pull the trigger on buying it but I've
| been trying to reel in my boardgame-purchasing problem a bit.
|
| Most flicking/dexterity games are pretty abstract: lightly
| themed, if they're themed at all. And a lot of the ones that
| are themed, somehow don't get it "right". Flickwars is pretty
| cool in that it's got a light space battle theme with
| asymmetric team powers. It also has a neoprene board which,
| while not being as satisfying as polished wood, makes a
| surprisingly satisfying flicking surface. There's a modular
| setup to the game, where players place obstacles on or (because
| of the neoprene surface) UNDER the board. This meshes nicely
| with the space theme as you can consider these obstacles as
| gravitational anomalies. All-in-all, it's a pretty lightweight
| game, but it's a fun diversion from heavier board games.
| Taylor_OD wrote:
| I have not! Will check it out.
| pahool wrote:
| Almost twenty years ago, I brought a crokinole board into my work
| and it became a very popular diversion. We came up with a
| cutthroat version where four players could play individually
| rather than the more traditional 2v2 four-player variant.
|
| https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/192278/awesome-four-player-...
| nogridbag wrote:
| Crokinole looks fun, but personally I'm into BulletBall and
| BulletBall Extreme (which may one day be an Olympic sport).
| asadm wrote:
| growing up we loved Carrom, a 4p game of similar style probably.
| cheeseomlit wrote:
| Looks fun! Any recommendations on buying a board to start with
| for less than $100 or so? Might just get a cheapo one on amazon
| to try out.
| hluska wrote:
| $100 is a good budget - you will have a lot of choice.
|
| For around $100 you could get a good quality octagon shaped
| wooden board with wooden discs and powder. Avoid plastic - it's
| a totally different game and I don't think it's as much fun. If
| you go octagon, go 27" - you'll find a lot of really cheap 21"
| boards but like plastic, it's a different game and it's less
| fun.
|
| Make sure that the bottom is padded - a lot of two in ones
| aren't padded and you will scratch your table badly.
|
| Welcome to addiction. :)
| _jholland wrote:
| Check out the Shut Up and Sit Down review of crokinole:
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKzeg78peg&t=580s&pp=ygUJY3Jv...
| bregma wrote:
| Every wood-paneled Canadian rec room in the 1970s had a crokinole
| game set up right beside the rod hockey table and maybe the
| stacks of empty two-four cases. Just thinking about it brings
| back the smell memory of stale beer and cigarettes mingled with
| mould from the damp shag carpeting.
| af78 wrote:
| I live in France and had never heard about this game before.
|
| I can play the simulator on mobile but on the desktop Linux the
| "place disc" button is unresponsive to mouse clicks. I tried both
| Firefox and Chrome. Am I the only one?
| TheSkyHasEyes wrote:
| I was curious how many people outside Canada have heard of this
| game. :)
| rvba wrote:
| Doesnt work on mobile too
| af78 wrote:
| dicytea's workaround
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41871624) works - sort
| of.
| brailsafe wrote:
| I've lived my entire life not knowing there was an "L" in the
| name or even having an approximation of the spelling. I've played
| it and talked about it, but only vocally, and nobody's enunciated
| the "ole", so I've always thought it ended with an "oh" sound.
| ksynwa wrote:
| Ha from the video I was wondering what the point of the board
| being round was. But the examples that follow which show pegs
| that didn't go through the hole made it clear.
| 8n4vidtmkvmk wrote:
| We usually play with 4 players, and each player can shoot from
| anywhere in their quarter of the board. Being equidistant from
| the center is an important attribute, among other things.
| thih9 wrote:
| One-cheek rule:
|
| > The following rules are sanctioned by the National Crokinole
| Association and used in all NCA Tour events.
|
| > (...)
|
| > 7. i) When a player is shooting, at least one portion of
| his/her posterior must be in contact with the seat of his/her
| chair.
|
| http://nationalcrokinoleassociation.com/resources/rules.html
| spencerchubb wrote:
| What advantage could one get by not having any cheeks in
| contact with the chair?
| JadoJodo wrote:
| You can move around the table, if you don't remain seated,
| making any angle trivial.
| peeters wrote:
| To expand on this, the circumference is divided into four
| quadrants, and you must shoot from your own quadrant
| without rotating the board (although physical abilities
| considered, many people play with house rules where you can
| rotate it). Saying your butt has to be on your seat limits
| how much you're allowed to move yourself around the board.
|
| It's true that even with that rule, you can typically lean
| to take a shot from both extremes of your quadrant, however
| those shots are harder to aim because you're not positioned
| behind the shot.
| 8n4vidtmkvmk wrote:
| I get out of my chair frequently. When the pieces immediately
| in front of you are all owned by your team, you want to shoot
| from the outer edges to avoid hitting your own pieces.
| thih9 wrote:
| Fittingly, on mobile the HN code for shortening urls turns the
| parent comment's link from "nationalcrokinoleassociation" into
| "nationalcrokinoleass".
| cbarrick wrote:
| Must be device dependant. I get
| http://nationalcrokinoleassociat...
| UberFly wrote:
| Like poutine, probably coming to a bar or pub near you.
| typon wrote:
| Weird that this article doesn't mention Carrom at all - maybe
| people in North America haven't heard of it.
| irrational wrote:
| Crokinole is an amazing boardgame. It is deservedly in the top 50
| on BGG. I'm an amateur woodworker and built my own board. We will
| happily spend hours playing it.
| maxglute wrote:
| Friend once lamented annoying part of a breakup was losing
| holiday crokinole priveleges at their ex's family cottage. I
| loled, but it was really stupid satisfying flicking on a high end
| board.
| enjo wrote:
| If you're ever in Denver the Denver Elks Lodge has a really
| nice Crokinole board and visitors are very welcome!
| DGCA wrote:
| > To be eligible for membership in the Benevolent and
| Protective Order of Elks, you must be a citizen of the United
| States over the age of 21 who believes in God (whatever that
| means to you).
|
| Bums, I don't meet 2/3 reqs.
| tinco wrote:
| Here's a helpful atheistic definition of "God" I picked up
| somewhere: The force that enables good things to happen to
| groups of people who act upon a belief that they should do
| good to another.
|
| I.e. if you say "thank God", you're really saying you're
| thankful that you and the people around you are making
| decisions that benefit everyone.
|
| (Not an invitation for theistic discussion, just trying to
| be helpful to a fellow atheist)
| hammock wrote:
| Where was the cottage, out of curiosity?
| mhitza wrote:
| It reminded me of Carrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrom
| which is a similar Indian game I've recently discovered via
| Instagram feed due to following trick shots.
| DrillShopper wrote:
| When I was a kid in the 1980s I had this carrom board set:
| https://a.co/d/4AT00VF
|
| One side has a flat surface for carrom and the other side has
| the layout for crokinole.
| bilekas wrote:
| I would love to know why this is so satisfying to watch.. I can't
| imagine to play but wow.
| jasoneckert wrote:
| I first played Crokinole when I was 9 years old at my
| grandmother's house with my cousins and was immediately hooked.
| That same day I remember telling my sister that it was a time
| machine - we started playing it at noon, and an hour later it was
| suddenly 6pm.
| tomasdivito wrote:
| TIL about this game! But gotta say that I loved the article's
| interactivity and graphs :) Really cool!
| 8n4vidtmkvmk wrote:
| I've always known this game as Knipsbrat, but that's the German
| mennonite name. I guess there aren't a lot of us. We also
| immigrated to Canada. I don't know if our family picked up the
| game before or after the move, but it's been a staple of our
| games nights since before I was born (36 now.. I think)
| DidYaWipe wrote:
| Is what?
| dougb5 wrote:
| I grew up where it was invented, but I first learned of crokinole
| in the memorable lyrics of Moxy Fruvous, in which they manage to
| rhyme it with "princess of Monaco". Recommended, especially if
| you're from Toronto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF3JfiexLVA
| idlewords wrote:
| Love the quiet athleticism on display in the video. This sport
| makes cup-stacking look like pickleball.
| hyperhopper wrote:
| Despite the unfurled title "Welcome to Crokinole, the greatest
| game you've never heard of."
|
| 1. I have heard of it
|
| 2. It's not the best game I've heard of
|
| 3. It's almost definitely not the best game I haven't heard of
|
| 4. It's still a pretty good game
|
| I hate outrageous titles that are just designed to provoke
| outrage or curiousity while being untrue.
| bitwize wrote:
| Oh man, this is the most intense sport you can watch on ESPN 8,
| The Ocho.
| Gloomily3819 wrote:
| This is why I don't like bowling or pool. At high level, it's a
| game of "whoever makes the first mistake loses."
| ToddWBurgess wrote:
| Spent hours back in the day getting my ass kicked playing this
| with my grandfather. It quite often got used as a chance to get
| some grandfatherly advice. The one lesson he taught me and has
| stuck with me:
|
| "If you can't win. Make it hard for the other guy to win."
| dbbr wrote:
| Folks, this is it. I have decided what I am getting my family for
| Christmas this year.
| HeavyStorm wrote:
| Of note: https://youtu.be/XMKzeg78peg?si=8YfUyNHszg9mafLb
|
| That's how I learned crokinole existed.
| bikamonki wrote:
| In this information overload age, I surely feel like there is
| nothing new under the sun, and then I run into gems like this :)
| brentpen wrote:
| For those that like Pool, rather than Shuffle Board..
|
| Carooka Pool 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhpaXgkotw0
| whamlastxmas wrote:
| Is this version considered more fun?
| whamlastxmas wrote:
| This made me go buy a cheap board on Amazon. Looks fun!
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