[HN Gopher] Mothbox 4.0
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       Mothbox 4.0
        
       Author : bookofjoe
       Score  : 154 points
       Date   : 2024-10-15 14:10 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (digital-naturalism-laboratories.github.io)
 (TXT) w3m dump (digital-naturalism-laboratories.github.io)
        
       | morninglight wrote:
       | This could be a great teaching tool, BUT at about $375 per
       | Mothbox, it's going to be a hard sell for most schools.
        
         | hansihe wrote:
         | $375 per box doesn't seem bad to me at all when you probably
         | only need a couple per school?
        
         | yapyap wrote:
         | I don't think it'll be a hard sell for schools at that price,
         | school budgets tend to be fairly elastic for new things (and
         | sometimes for wholly unnecessary things, for the price of less
         | than 1/4th of new MacBook for the principal (for example) they
         | could have this.
         | 
         | Edit: also if schools were to be interested in this (which they
         | should be, it's very neat) they could group together and buy in
         | bulk which would also greatly reduce the price
        
       | nerdponx wrote:
       | Are there any "citizen science" initiatives where I can buy a
       | device like this and upload my insect counts to some database
       | that's useful for researchers?
       | 
       | I have been interested in setting up some things like home
       | weather monitoring, ADS-B, streaming webcams for wildlife, etc.
       | anyway so this would be a fun item to add to that.
        
         | gibspaulding wrote:
         | Cornell is doing something along those lines for birds using
         | audio recordings. It's just a smartphone app though -
         | https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/sound-id/
        
           | beardyw wrote:
           | I was using it today, and any day when there are birds
           | around. It correctly identifies birds you can barely hear.
           | It's become as useful as binoculars to me. A great free app.
        
           | dekhn wrote:
           | they also release the model. I've recorded hours of audio
           | outside my house and run it through the model on my desktop
           | with GPU.
        
             | abroadwin wrote:
             | Are they using birdnet or something else?
        
           | buescher wrote:
           | I have a pi running birdnet-pi on my porch.
           | https://www.birdweather.com/birdnetpi
        
         | aeturnum wrote:
         | I think the air gradient folks do some collaboration and it's
         | possible you could get your sensors linked into a bigger net by
         | contacting them: https://www.airgradient.com/research/
         | 
         | Edit: Also MIT did this recently:
         | https://news.mit.edu/2023/low-cost-device-can-measure-air-po...
        
         | Modified3019 wrote:
         | On a related note, I wish there was some sort of software
         | system where I could ID weeds and insects with photos and
         | locations at various levels of confidence ("possibly",
         | "probably", keyed out, genetic testing) at different taxonomic
         | levels and both self host my results while also automatically
         | contributing to a larger project.
         | 
         | There are various projects out there (like plantnet) but I
         | don't want to burn massive personal effort curating in a system
         | that isn't my own first and foremost, due to inevitable
         | enshittification. At the same time, I want others to benefit
         | from what I do, in particular local growers and naturalists.
         | Things like PlantNet also tend to be "majority vote" on ID,
         | meaning a whole lot is often close, but wrong. For example
         | there is a regional plant specific to my area called Willamette
         | Navarretia. Those that don't realize this will easily confuse
         | it with very similar looking species found most elsewhere in
         | the western US, and last I checked it wasn't in PlantNet.
         | 
         | https://www.oregon.gov/oda/programs/PlantConservation/SiteAs...
         | 
         | https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/165663-Navarretia-willamett...
        
           | doodlebugging wrote:
           | Have you tried iNaturalist? [0]
           | 
           | Insects, animals, plants, etc get posted from all over the
           | world for ID.
           | 
           | [0] https://www.inaturalist.org/
           | 
           | I post lots of photos of things I find locally and experts
           | step in and help ID the subjects when I don't know what I'm
           | seeing.
           | 
           | I also have a couple of AudioMoths for recording local sounds
           | including birds, insects, etc. Very high quality units at a
           | reasonable price.
           | 
           | I have seen this Mothbox posted a couple of times and almost
           | bought one since I know I have tons of moths attracted to my
           | native plants out here, but the price is a sticking point
           | right now. I think something like this combined with an
           | AudioMoth and some trail cams would be a good local wildlife
           | monitor setup.
        
             | Modified3019 wrote:
             | _edit_ so it turns out, at least a significant part of
             | inaturalist is in fact open source of some kind. I never
             | realized, I'll have to look into this more. I appreciate
             | you getting me to take a second look
             | https://github.com/inaturalist
             | 
             | This may be exactly what I need:
             | https://www.inaturalist.org/sites/network
        
       | smallerfish wrote:
       | BioClip (referenced in their writeup) is good to know about.
       | 
       | I run a small scale wildlife monitoring program with usually 3
       | cameras (depending on how many are being repaired for battery
       | terminal corrosion). Each month I skim through and categorize
       | ~200 videos that we've captured. Doesn't take too long, but it
       | would be nice to automate at some point.
        
         | Modified3019 wrote:
         | Do you use any kind of protectant, like dielectric grease or
         | Deoxit? I find applying to both the equipment and battery
         | contacts saves a lot of headaches on my work phone, ATV,
         | trailer lights connectors and anything else powered I use in
         | the field.
        
         | Choco31415 wrote:
         | BioCLIP won the CVPR best student paper award:
         | https://cvpr.thecvf.com/Conferences/2024/News/Awards
         | 
         | Having talked with Sam, they're working on BioCLIPv2. So expect
         | even better results sometime soon.
        
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