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Can a biologist fix a radio? What I learned while studying
apoptosis (2002) [pdf]
Author : bilsbie
Score : 28 points
Date : 2024-10-12 12:34 UTC (2 days ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.cell.com)
| dang wrote:
| Related:
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| _Can a biologist fix a radio? Or, what I learned while studying
| apoptosis (2002)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31697757
| - June 2022 (21 comments)
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| _Can a biologist fix a radio?-Or, what I learned while studying
| apoptosis (2002) [pdf]_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30120457 - Jan 2022 (18
| comments)
| pvaldes wrote:
| If is unemployed, you can bet that can and will do it.
| Micand wrote:
| As was flagged in the other discussions, see Could a
| neuroscientist understand a microprocessor:
| https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/jo...
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| Or a recap from The Atlantic:
| https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/06/can-neur...
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| I saw a wonderful recording of a talk the authors gave a few
| years ago (which I regrettably can't find now), and it was
| amongst the most eye-opening talks I've ever seen.
| fastaguy88 wrote:
| I am always puzzled when biologists make analogies between living
| systems (or sub-systems) and human-designed devices (even complex
| devices). Human designed devices have an essential property that
| biological systems do not -- they were designed. While radios may
| seem complex, they are built from a relatively small number of
| component types with very well understood behaviors and typically
| limited numbers of interactions. Biological systems have no such
| constraints -- they were not designed, there can be many
| different ways to do the same thing (in the same cell), there are
| at least thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of different
| components, many of which have lots and lots of interactions.
| Considering how messy the systems are, it is quite remarkable
| that genetics and biochemistry discovered the basis of heredity
| (or at least some of it), the genetic code, hundreds of signaling
| pathways, etc etc. But there is no missing language, because
| there was no design that used that language.
| svilen_dobrev wrote:
| the two schematical views reminded me of a) the dualisms in
| Pirsig, and b) also of another similar one: two views of what-a-
| cat-consists-of - one according to the granny owner, and another
| according to the surgeon - but cannot remember which book was
| that from. Anyone?
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