[HN Gopher] Lake Michigan Stonehenge - What have researchers lea...
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Lake Michigan Stonehenge - What have researchers learned?
Author : janandonly
Score : 50 points
Date : 2024-10-09 20:03 UTC (3 days ago)
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| Loughla wrote:
| Why is the baseline assumption that early humans were not as
| intelligent as we are now? I've never understood that. It seems
| like levers and rolling logs would be pretty easy to figure out,
| or what am I missing?
| evbogue wrote:
| Probably the lack of similar structures in the area at the time
| makes this significant. If large arranged stones from 10,000
| years ago were common around the great lakes then we'd assume
| everyone knew how to move large rocks back then.
| mykowebhn wrote:
| There's also the assumption that humans in the Americas, prior
| to the mass arrival of Europeans, were primitive and did not
| form sophisticated societies like those found in the "Old
| World". I think this has been otherwise shown, but old
| assumptions die hard.
| jordanb wrote:
| The large American civilizations (Inca, Aztec, etc) were
| essentially bronze-age civilizations. Perhaps Europe would
| have been so as well had there not been a bronze-age
| collapse.
| AlotOfReading wrote:
| That isn't the assumption. Modern archaeologists usually assume
| that ancient people were as intelligent as we are today, or
| even more so.
|
| What's not assumed is that they had the same thought patterns.
| People don't derive ideas uniformly from the space of all
| possible ideas, they tend to think within the constraints and
| realities of past experiences. If you build a house, it's going
| to be similar to houses you've seen before. If you paint a
| painting, it's going to be a _painting_ rather than some other
| means of expressing yourself with colored pigments.
|
| In other words, ideas are subject to the same kinds of path
| dependence that technology is. When we see something that's
| severely anachronistic (outside of it's "normal" place in
| time), the initial priors are that things like the dating are
| wrong rather than ab initio invention of a whole suite of
| different ideas that just happened to be preserved for us.
| detourdog wrote:
| You are missing nothing they used to do brain surgery.
|
| https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/in-roughly-150...
| oh_my_goodness wrote:
| I'd really enjoy actually seeing one of the pictures of
| mastodons.
| holtkam2 wrote:
| Unfortunately they are extinct
| oh_my_goodness wrote:
| Right! The pictures on the rocks are either extinct, or close
| to it.
| oh_my_goodness wrote:
| https://news.artnet.com/art-world/prehistoric-structure-lake...
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| https://imgur.com/gallery/lake-michigan-mastodon-rock-undoct...
| coldspoon95 wrote:
| This is just further evidence to show that there's some periodic
| reset of civilization. Perhaps sun forced(micro-novas triggered
| by the black hole at the center of our Milky Way flipping its
| magnetic field). The shedding of the sun's outer convective layer
| throws a big disturbance to the earth's tectonic plates causing
| plates to move(or poles to be perceived as moving if the tectonic
| plates were to be used as frame of reference). This is led by a
| period where earth doesn't have a strong magnetic field(as it
| takes time to recover), and low solar output which sputters back
| up leading to an ice-age with intermittent blasts. This prolly
| forced humans to build large underground shelters(Gobekle Tepe,
| Cappadosia, etc) to live when there's intense solar outbursts.
|
| Our genome hasn't evolved much since the last 150,000yrs meaning
| that all faculties have been the same for ancient man. What we've
| effectively achieved in 2000yrs must've been replicated a few
| times in history. Even if the silicon age never came, it is
| likely man had strong agriculture, pottery, understanding of
| nature, evolution of animals(wolves were effectively bred into
| dog companions 40,000yrs ago), etc that would've surely lead to
| vast amounts of knowledge being gathered. And with high CO2
| concentrations, it is likely that agriculture produce and access
| to energy(coal, firewood, nutrition, etc) was abundant to support
| fairly complex civilization that could support occupational
| specializations.
|
| There's evidence across the world in anthropologic, natural
| history and other evidence left behind. However, the full
| interpretation lies behind a series of walls of resets where we
| can only guess, but not fully understand the context of how
| things were. Imagine a 10,000yrs from now, someone finds a
| portion of a fossilized city dump with no direct access or
| lineage from present day. There's not much that can be gleaned of
| things there. And some of these events are so catastrophic that
| they move oceans/atmospheric currents at supersonic speeds and
| cover large swathes of land under miles of slurry.
| detourdog wrote:
| One simple shift is that the Astrological calendar Was based on
| the sun's position between the constellation's.
|
| Imagine the crisis of faith when the monuments started to
| mislead society.
| franktinariwen wrote:
| How is this evidence of the "periodic reset of civilization?"
| Why what we have done in the past 2000 years have been
| replicated before? These just seem to be unfounded speculations
| like pyramid lasers and Atlantis.
| AlbertCory wrote:
| I'd never heard of this, despite growing up in Chicago. It makes
| you wonder how many other archeological treasures are underwater
| and undiscovered, given how water levels used to be lower.
| emmelaich wrote:
| Not convinced this is anything at all. Where's some clearer
| pictures? Where's a diagram of the circles?
|
| and sure enough from the man himself.
|
| https://holleyarchaeology.com/index.php/the-truth-about-the-...
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| > _For example, there is not a henge associated with the site and
| the individual stones are relatively small when compared to what
| most people think of as European standing stones. It should be
| clearly understood that this is not a megalith site like
| Stonehenge._
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