[HN Gopher] Dookie Demastered
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Dookie Demastered
Author : nickthegreek
Score : 361 points
Date : 2024-10-09 17:18 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.dookiedemastered.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.dookiedemastered.com)
| aaronbrethorst wrote:
| This is the best thing I've seen in a long time.
|
| _When an album hits a big milestone like its 30th anniversary_
|
| Oof, so this is what getting old feels like. Yikes.
|
| _Crank it as long as you want with "All By Myself," arranged for
| the first time on a hand-cranked music box._
|
| chef's kiss.
| fragmede wrote:
| The mere mention by the title had the classic phrase "Do you
| have the time..." blaring in my head as if it were thirty years
| ago, even if the last time I listened to that was at least a
| decade a ago. The nostalgia, right in the feels.
| hluska wrote:
| I hadn't listened in Dookie in a very long time. Then my kid
| and I were talking about music and she wanted to know what
| kinds of music I streamed back in high school. :)
|
| That turned into a talk about CDs and led into listening to
| Dookie with my eight year old. The album has aged very well.
| As an adult, I find that different songs are more appealing
| now than they were as a teen and in other cases, age has
| warped the meaning of the songs.
|
| But as an album, it stands up really well. There are some
| other well known albums from the nineties that really haven't
| stood up as well. I'd recommend another listen!
|
| Though, "I declare I don't care no more." :)
| iddan wrote:
| As someone who was a teen about ten years ago I can confess
| it was still very relevant and I even got its CD (though
| honestly I listened to it mostly on my iPod Touch)
| lelandfe wrote:
| > _this toothbrush plays Green Day's "Pulling Teeth" while you
| brush. Finally, you can put Dookie in your mouth (not
| recommended)._
| agrippanux wrote:
| When "Out Come The Wolves" by Rancid hit 20 years I was
| starting to feel my age.
| pipes wrote:
| I love this album. So many catchy songs. I prefer it to
| dookie too.
| adfm wrote:
| "Energy" is 35. Feeling old yet? If so, go to the Punk Rock
| Museum in Vegas. They did us right.
| larodi wrote:
| we definitely gonna rediscover what de-mastering means, when AI
| finally gets to master everything instead of us. can't wait for
| a wave of punk-pixel-human-in-the-wrong-loop-nostalgy much
| stronger than vaporwave.
| idontwantthis wrote:
| No HitClip?? They could fit 2/3 of Coming Clean on one.
|
| Edit: I completely missed it. Everything is now perfect.
| GuinansEyebrows wrote:
| this is honestly the most impressive one here. i looked into
| doing hitclips with a friend and we basically tapped out once i
| found out how they work under the hood since there's no way
| they'd be cost effective.
| idontwantthis wrote:
| Can you elaborate? I've always been fascinated by their
| existence.
| a2l3aQ wrote:
| Been discussed here before :)
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24599366
| bitwize wrote:
| What's missing is the PXL-2000 tape with a video for one of the
| songs.
| runjake wrote:
| Yes, this is officially endorsed[1] by Green Day. Very cool.
|
| 1. https://www.facebook.com/GreenDay/
| petesergeant wrote:
| Hard to know if this was truly one of the best albums ever or if
| I just heard it at a super impressionable age, but the starting
| riff on When I Come Around gets me every time
| geoka9 wrote:
| FWIW, when it came out I couldn't be bothered to listen to
| Green Day. 20 years later they became one of the favorites.
| DowagerDave wrote:
| It's very catchy, but not super-impressive musically IMO,
| however it had a huge impact on the scene and entire ecosystem
| at the time. Many other bands piggy-backed off their success,
| which I'm not sure happens as much in today's mega-single
| model. The band has gotten continually better while still
| staying relevant as well, which is really cool.
| hluska wrote:
| Everyone already said that about punk. We know it's not Bach,
| but it's not meant to be. It's punk music - it's not meant to
| be impressive musically.
| geoka9 wrote:
| Having said that... :) ... GD are very much above average
| musically when it comes to the popular music of the last 30
| years. With those songwriting/performing chops, it's almost
| surprising they are a punk rock band.
| aaronax wrote:
| Agree. Approximately rank 65 on best-selling albums of all
| time, but generally ranked in the 250-350 range on top 500
| albums of all time. Such more subjective measures probably
| include sales/popularity as one of the ranking factors, so
| one could think that the album is of particularly below-
| expected "quality" to drag it down a few hundred positions.
| bena wrote:
| Green Day, especially the Dookie album, is kind of the
| epitome of "Yeah, you _could_ have wrote it, but you _didn
| 't_."
|
| Not to mention, it's more than any single riff. It's the way
| the chorus ends then that little bass fill hits. And just the
| combination of the music with the lyrics. There's just that
| something that just gets everything right enough.
|
| Take Basket Case, the song is pretty fucking simple
| musically. But it really serves as sort of click track to the
| vocals.
|
| Taking simplicity and turning it into art takes skill.
| bloopernova wrote:
| I personally prefer _Insomniac_. I used the opening riffs from
| _Brain Stew_ as a ringtone during my on-call days, which ruined
| the track for a long time for me.
| godisdad wrote:
| It is both.
|
| The story of Lookout Records being basically kept afloat by
| selling Kerplunk their first album after they left and blew up
| is also tragic/hilarious
| jdalgetty wrote:
| Wow - what an amazing site!
| eddieroger wrote:
| I'd take the whole album in 8-bit chiptunes in a heartbeat. Heck,
| I'd buy an old GameBoy if that was the only way to listen to it.
| standardUser wrote:
| They really went all out on these...
|
| "A preloved Teddy comes with a cassette tape featuring an eight-
| channel recording of "Chump" including synchronized eye and snout
| movements."
|
| "This fully-playable version of "Welcome To Paradise" will
| immerse you in the world of a small apartment in Oakland,
| California. Search out the record to play the full 8-bit
| rendition of your favorite song."
|
| Totally impressed and amazed.
| sailfast wrote:
| Absolutely incredible product. I don't have the $99 to splurge
| on this but it was very enticing :)
| joezydeco wrote:
| You enter a lottery to buy the 1 Ruxpin that was built. You
| can probably get more than your money back if you don't want
| to keep it.
| jorvi wrote:
| Oh, that makes it slightly less cool, although still very
| cool.
|
| It would have been nice if they made it a limited run (say,
| 100 copies) instead of singular pieces.
| crtasm wrote:
| There's multiple copies of a number of the items.
| SirFatty wrote:
| I never really understood the 'punk' genre assignment for this
| band.
| drcongo wrote:
| This is getting downvoted, but I'd never even heard them
| referred to as punk before. And as a British former punk, I
| don't understand it either.
| mmastrac wrote:
| They were punk, just mainstream, pop punk. It was a common
| label for them in North America in the 90s.
| mattw2121 wrote:
| As a former North American Punk, they were posers, not
| punks.
| DowagerDave wrote:
| Saying I'm punk, and you are not punk, is about the least
| punk thing you can do.
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| what about working for an investment bank? How punk is
| that on the scale?
| criddell wrote:
| It could be very high on the scale. Like punks, bankers
| often don't ask for permission.
| baggachipz wrote:
| Given how often they break laws, ignore social norms, and
| thumb their noses at authorities... pretty damn punk.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| Ha! The amount of gatekeeping on the definition of punk
| that I've lived through makes me feel so old, but it also
| tickles me a little to see it come up again today. The
| more things change ...
| ipaddr wrote:
| Anyone who releases an album for sale is a poser. Trying
| to make money from music is unpunk.
| mmastrac wrote:
| The classic No True Punksman fallacy.
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| Gatekeeping isn't punk
| anthomtb wrote:
| As a self-confessed "former punk", do you really deserve
| to make that assessment?
| a57721 wrote:
| I think "pop punk" is a good term, for me it's about the
| sound and delivery, it has nothing to do with commercial
| success, being "posers" etc. I think it's kind of evident
| from the music itself why someone who likes Dead Kennedys,
| Black Flag, Big Black, or GG Allin may not appreciate Green
| Day, NOFX and the likes (and vice versa). It's in the sound
| itself, ignoring the lyrics and everything else. Many bands
| without any mainstream success still play pop punk.
| jghn wrote:
| I think of punk as being three completely separate
| variables, and for any individual or band they're
| independent of each other:
|
| 1) Ethos
|
| 2) Aesthetics/look & feel
|
| 3) Musical sound
|
| So someone could be punk as fuck ethos-wise but love
| listening to Yanni. Meanwhile a band could have a
| straight up anarcho-punk sound, but otherwise be white
| collar wage slaves
|
| But this is the root of so much disagreement. When Green
| Day started ascending in the 80s, people were pointing
| out the poppy music as not being "punk". But that's just
| one variable.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| You missed the fourth. Rebellion
|
| Punk is about rebellion, pop-punk is a good umbrella term
| as they had rebellious vibes but to call Green Day punk
| is a bit of a stretch.
| jghn wrote:
| I was including that as part of `Ethos`. DYI, anti-
| authority, etc.
| hunter2_ wrote:
| > Many bands without any mainstream success still play
| pop punk.
|
| The irony extends to the fact that while someone can play
| in the style of pop without being mainstream, they cannot
| literally be pop until they're popular. But if pop
| requires being popular and punk requires shunning the
| mainstream, pop punk couldn't exist. The fact that it
| does is therefore a bit of a paradox.
| elcomet wrote:
| Which band do you consider as punk?
| burningChrome wrote:
| Misfits
|
| Black Flag
|
| Ramones
|
| TSOL
|
| SNFU
|
| Dead Kennedy's
|
| Bad Brains
|
| Descendents
|
| Minor Threat
|
| I think Punk was in its heyday in the 80's. I think its
| evolved over time and many people don't believe "pop punk" is
| really considered "punk" even though a lot of the themes we
| saw in the 80's punk bands are very clear and present in
| Green Day's music.
|
| Which then begs the question what really defines punk music?
| I'm honestly not sure because many of the hallmarks of the
| 80's punk was the poor production, guitars out of tune,
| singers who couldn't sing very well - all of which have been
| greatly improved when you consider Green Day's music.
|
| Billy Joe Armstrong is a phenomenal singer. Even on Dookie,
| the producer said a majority of the songs he did in a single
| take - which is staggering to think about. Their musical
| abilities are unquestionably much better than any of the 80's
| punk bands. Tre Cool's drumming is just on another level and
| I'm not sure many 80's era punk band drummers could ever hang
| with his abilities. Even the production level of Dookie was
| light years ahead of many of the seminal punk albums that
| came out in the 80's.
|
| Its easy to claim that Green Day isn't a "real" punk band,
| but when you start to compare them to the "prototypical"
| bands in the 80's, they sing about many of the same things,
| but have elevated the genre beyond what its really been known
| for. In the end, I have a harder time not calling them punk,
| there's just too many similarities to many of the most
| popular bands people know.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| > Which then begs the question what really defines punk
| music?
|
| Rebellion against the mass.
|
| Sex Pistols, The Ramones, Joy Division are some of the
| leading pioneers of the movement.
|
| The 80's I would say is more toward post-punk. This split
| off in to Goth with The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees
| then genres such as New Wave, Synth with the likes of
| Depeche Mode and Gary Numan.
|
| The same as grunge did in the US with Nirvana and the
| likes. I would say that Grunge was America's post-punk
| phase.
|
| 90's then saw the age of pop, and pop-punk came from that.
| Media was more available.
|
| While Green Day held strong lyrics it's wasn't it. It
| didn't have the true spirit of punk. It was more rebellious
| against your parents as a teenager type vibe rather than
| take down the nation like prior. But I stand to be
| corrected.
|
| I've never really liked Blink, Offspring and Green Day. I
| was to busy being script kiddie, 13 listening to chiptunes
| and goth.
| acomjean wrote:
| anything played on wmbr's "Late Riser's Club"
|
| https://wmbr.org/cgi-bin/show?id=8533
|
| "It's like sewing your ear to a vacuum cleaner. "
|
| though they include metal now.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| The Sex Pistols, The Ramones
| slg wrote:
| There are few things more punk that spawning a 30+ year
| argument about them not being punk enough to be considered
| punk. They don't conform enough to the standards of the non-
| conformists?
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| Wow, the "is Green Day punk" argument also turned thirty.
| Probably older, I'm sure someone had it before Dookie.
| DowagerDave wrote:
| A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge, which
| seems really unfair. It should be more about DIY and freedom
| outside what was (in the 90's) a very restrictive, fixed
| business model. NOFX are the best of example of the punk
| aesthetic, but Green Day (the pop-punk band, not the Celtic
| folk band^) didn't sell out while achieving stratospheric
| success.
|
| ^Community reference
| rootusrootus wrote:
| > A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge
|
| I think you hit it on the nail. What makes some people
| uptight about Green Day being punk is not the music --
| because objectively, punk's pretty much on point. It's the
| fact that they were wildly successful. Can't be punk any
| more when that happens.
| jghn wrote:
| Sort of. Even before their commercial success this issue
| was coming up. Granted the commercial success turned the
| knob to 11. There were already debates about their sound,
| that it was too poppy and mainstream sounding.
|
| Whether or not an ethos espousing rejecting authority
| should be applying authority on what other people sound
| like is another matter altogether :)
| petesergeant wrote:
| > A lot of punk has always had an anti-success edge
|
| Alternative take: punk, as enjoyed by the connoisseur,
| sounds terrible to people who don't like punk, which limits
| its success
| joekrill wrote:
| > didn't sell out while achieving stratospheric success.
|
| Their Keurig "partnership" might suggest otherwise. And
| it's not just because they've partnered with a huge
| corporation. But mainly because their coffee company -
| "Punk Bunny Coffee" - puts a huge emphasis on
| "sustainability". And while Keurig says sustainability is
| important, their actions suggest the exact opposite.
| hunter2_ wrote:
| > while Keurig says sustainability is important, their
| actions suggest the exact opposite
|
| The term is loose enough to possibly refer to making the
| business (not human life generally) be sustainable,
| though the green[day]washing angle is more likely.
| jghn wrote:
| No it is much older. I remember longstanding debates on
| alt.punk in USENET on this very topic before Dookie came out.
| nunez wrote:
| Surprising take.
|
| Their sound and ethos is undeniably pop punk.
|
| They played Gilman St, a punk mecca in Berkeley. See some of
| their shows in the 90s and 00s. If you don't think that's punk,
| I don't know what to tell you.
|
| They didn't do much fast skate punk type stuff like NOFX and No
| Use did, but punk is a super wide genre anyway; to me, it's
| about what you are, not how you play (see also: second wave ska
| a la Reel Big Fish and No Doubt, or country cow-punk, like Hank
| Williams III)
|
| They leaned harder on the "pop" aspect of pop punk (American
| Idiot is widely considered one of the first punk operas ever
| made and is one of the best-selling rock albums ever) and
| experimented with their sound over the years (check out their
| stuff from the 2010s) but they never lost their edge, IMO (They
| dropped Saviors this year; incredible album.)
|
| Regardless, they inspired a zillion punk bands of all kinds.
| Hell, FOD, one of my favorite pop punk bands from The
| Netherlands, was inspired by FOD, which is on this record!
| jghn wrote:
| > See some of their shows in the 90s and 00s
|
| I think this is part of the tension.
|
| By the mid-90s, "punk" had evolved from something that was a
| small band of weirdos into something larger. For instance
| normal, run of the mill high school kids were shopping the
| aesthetic at Hot Topic. I'm not suggesting this was good nor
| bad. But there was a huge culture shift happening. At a
| minimum, the punk aesthetic had shifted into the mainstream
| and poppier acts like Green Day helped to make that happen.
|
| So folks who had been used to getting made fun of and beat up
| for being punks in the 80s weren't always super happy to see
| this shift. Again, not suggesting they had the right to feel
| this way or not. But it happened.
|
| In general countercultures built around nonconformity have
| these tensions. Participants preach the nonconformity, but
| then reject people who don't fit a certain aesthetic.
| Participants preach openness, but then get upset when too
| many people join. It's just how it goes.
| hluska wrote:
| I haven't participated in this conversation since Kerplunk was
| released!
|
| San Francisco punk was always a little different but Green Day
| was part of the late 80s/early 90s punk scene in the Bay Area.
| It was all centered around 924 Gilman Street.
| acomjean wrote:
| It's kinda punk pop. It has the intensity of punk. It
| definitely had the mosh pit element to it. I remember it being
| more intense than the grunge that was popular at the time.
|
| It was on MTV alot. But then again so were Primus and Faith No
| More. It was a different time.
|
| I was at the attempted free show in Boston in the 90s that
| ended after just a few songs.
|
| https://youtu.be/O7cJUUZIvNk?si=Yr7ivWCICTC0MTi7
|
| I thought I'd seen the end of the singing bass trophy, but if
| it has to come back this is a good way.
| wibbily wrote:
| > answering machine
|
| Tried and true distribution channel for hit music - see dial-a-
| song ((844) 387-6962) or the lovely "callin' oates" ((719)
| 266-2837)
| bagels wrote:
| I love that... 13 years on that Callin' Oates is still alive.
|
| "The hotline dates back to December 2011 and was created by
| Michael Selvidge and Reid Butler. Selvidge, who at the time
| worked for Twilio, told The Verge that he was required to build
| an app for the company and "Callin' Oates" was the result"
| yapyap wrote:
| The prices are insane to me but to be fair the people that
| remember this from 30 years ago will probably have some spare
| money to spend if they're still interested
|
| Edit: well to be fair I see now that they are very limited
| nervousvarun wrote:
| Apologies, a little slow here (probably because I was in high
| school when this album came out)...what are you actually buying
| for those listed prices?
| hluska wrote:
| You get exactly what it says. For example, if you put $99
| down and win the draw, you can get an actual Teddy Ruxpin
| that sings Chump. Or for $79 you can win a Big Mouth Billie
| Bass that sings Basket Case. If you click through to the
| previews, there are videos.
| nervousvarun wrote:
| I mean I thought that at first, then thought no way because
| that's just a one off product but yeah, that's incredible.
|
| If anything the prices are far too low.
| hluska wrote:
| I just spent a stupid amount of money for a chance at
| getting Teddy Ruxpin. I'm feeling remarkably dumb right
| now but your words make me feel better.
| fourseventy wrote:
| You only pay if you win
| al_borland wrote:
| The price doesn't get you the item, it gets you an entry
| into the drawing. You're buying a lottery ticket for $19
| - $99 with unknown odds.
|
| It sounds like they aren't all one-off.
|
| >QUANTITIES VARY BY TRACK.
|
| The could probably produce as many floppies as they want,
| while the player piano... probably not so much.
| crtasm wrote:
| >How do EQL launches work?
|
| >Free to enter. You only pay if you're selected to
| purchase.
|
| https://brain.runfair.com/en-US/us/brain-green-day-
| having-a-...
| beloch wrote:
| There's a whole industry based on overpriced, "limited edition"
| nostalgic merch. Traditionally, "prints" (i.e. posters) for
| bands, movies, and even individual star trek episodes are
| _huge_. If you set the limit right, you 're barely limiting
| sales at all while convincing people what they're buying is
| somehow more special and worth more money.
|
| Art of the past is cheap and plentiful. Instead of doing
| multiple runs of an unlimited poster and bothering to keep it
| in stock, you do _one_ run can call it "limited edition". Then
| you move on and mine the next anniversary.
|
| This site is unusually slick for such a venture, but Dookie is
| a bigger deal than most albums, and the prices correspond to
| that.
| dingnuts wrote:
| What they're buying _is_ more special and thus worth more.
| Green Day doesn't need more money but I love limited edition
| art from small artists.
|
| Why? I know the art up in my home isn't up in everyone's
| home. I want my space to be unique. I want to be reminded of
| the tour, the festival, the album release, years later. I'm
| paying extra to support the artist I love, to have something
| more unique, and I'm pre paying for nostalgia in a decade.
|
| My walls are covered in art you can't get anymore. I love it.
| I'll never walk into someone else's home and see that I have
| the same mass produced dreck up, and every piece of art on my
| walls is tied to a memory.
| lelandfe wrote:
| This site is unexpectedly AWESOME. The frontend is so nice! The
| audio perfectly syncs up to a video when you open up the
| accordion, and I love the giant fonts. The best part though is
| the bitcrushing image carousels omg. The images get higher res as
| they're scrolled into view! https://imgur.com/a/TIWA9FW
|
| Kudos to the designers and devs on this.
| farmeroy wrote:
| I mean, when I first tried to open the website it just wouldn't
| load on my iPhone, so I tried on the laptop. It took ~10
| seconds to load. I just assumed the bitcrushing was more issues
| with bandwidth and badly compressed images rather than a design
| choice. But your comment made me sit through everything to see
| if i could really get it. I guess I can recognize the work that
| went into this and the concept behind it... having said that, I
| am definitely not the target audience for this website and am
| struggling not to write an extremely negative comment about
| green day and 90s nostalgia
| fkyoureadthedoc wrote:
| Always at least one every thread.
|
| > Sorry but this site is trash because it took 10s to load on
| my One Laptop Per Child running LFS connected to my 3g
| hotspot. I literally cannot imagine why anyone could ever
| like this.
| iddan wrote:
| I physically chuckled
| drawkward wrote:
| Literal old man yells at cloud.
| kstrauser wrote:
| The struggle was in vain.
| conductr wrote:
| I thoroughly enjoyed it, this is as iconic of an album as I
| could imagine especially given my age at the time it was
| released, but all to say yes my iPhone feels like it's going
| to catch fire after a couple minutes on the site lol
| DrNosferatu wrote:
| One of these tracks as an Opus file, 1.44MB long, shouldn't be
| that bad sound quality.
|
| ...but then, what would be the point? ;)
| nunez wrote:
| This is one of the best things I have ever seen.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| These Brain guys giving MSCHF vibes (i.e.
| https://deadstartuptoys.com/)
| al_borland wrote:
| This was my first thought when checking out their website and
| other projects. Just more digital than physical.
|
| https://brain.wtf
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| This is officially sanctioned by Green Day? interesting
| stronglikedan wrote:
| Gotta stay relevant somehow!
| llamaimperative wrote:
| For real. Ever since they sold out Petco Park ummm... last
| week... they've been super irrelevant.
| hildolfr wrote:
| A sold out Rolling Stones concert doesn't suddenly make
| them more relevant.. Green Day has the luxury of having a
| fan base that's not entirely dead of old age yet.
| llamaimperative wrote:
| It doesn't _make them_ more relevant, but it does prove
| they're not irrelevant, as GP suggested.
|
| Idk, not many people can sell tens or hundreds of
| thousands of pricy tickets to see them do their thing for
| 90 minutes. -\\_(tsu)_/-
| ndeast wrote:
| The cash grabs from this band is insane, they are basically KISS
| at this point.
| vm wrote:
| Very limited editions, with sone items having just one edition.
| This won't make much money.
|
| Looks like a cool art project.
| joezydeco wrote:
| It's a middle finger at the bands that do a cashgrab with
| reissues at every anniversary. So, the opposite of KISS.
| pwillia7 wrote:
| Uh oh... Nintendo intellectual property?
|
| RIP in peace
| aquova wrote:
| Hey, I still use my Mini-Disc deck! Sometimes!
|
| Funnily enough, while I like the format and would be willing to
| get an official release of Dookie on it, it's not really worth
| the hassle for a single track, especially I could just as easily
| copy the album onto the format myself.
| dangan wrote:
| I remember seeing this album on MiniDisc in a store in Sweden
| circa 2000. If you do enough Googling you might be able to find
| a copy.
| eemil wrote:
| US only? Really should have put that front and center... before I
| spent 20 minutes deciding which drawing to enter :/
| ramenlover wrote:
| You could just proxy it through something like myus.com or the
| like
| a3w wrote:
| Site does not load, but for that conclusion, it takes forever.
| What is supposed to happen? Firefox w/ ublock origin.
| eigenrick wrote:
| I'm on Firefox with ublock origin and it works just fine.
|
| Either way... the site is a store.. of sorts... for Greenday's
| "Dookie" album, where the songs are mixed down into various
| bizarre formats. They said de-mastered, and I was hoping that
| they were actually releasing the individual tracks. Sad.
| fitsumbelay wrote:
| FF with ublock here, not seeing any difference between this and
| Chrome
| al_borland wrote:
| Here is a quick 30 second trailer of what's on the site, from
| Green Day's YouTube.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZ8SLooNx8
| motohagiography wrote:
| i liked the idea because it implies there could be an unlimited
| number of new art projects that can drive new streaming revenue
| of back catalog music.
|
| then I saw the $0.003-0.005 per stream figure on spotify, and so
| your max upside for getting 1M plays is $50. At $50/M 10M plays
| might buy 1 dinner for the band.
|
| they actually make more selling the teddy ruxpins. maybe someone
| had a warehouse full of them and this clears them?
| phonon wrote:
| That's $3,000 to $5,000 per million. Or did you mean the Roman
| M?
| snickerbockers wrote:
| 3 * 10^-3 * 10^6 == 3 * 10^3 == $3000 per million streams, not
| $30.
| bitwize wrote:
| They are only offering one Teddy Ruxpin.
| fitsumbelay wrote:
| Now this is hackin'
| RajT88 wrote:
| BTW - as you'd expect - the protocol for Ruxpin has been
| thoroughly reverse engineered.
|
| IIRC - one audio channel is used for the speaker, and the other
| is a series of beeps which map to facial movements:
|
| https://makezine.com/projects/chippy-ruxpin/
|
| Back when I thought it might be a fun side hustle to make cool
| youtube videos (long ago put to bed), I thought about making
| videos of Ruxpin singing death metal and stuff.
|
| It's been years since it seemed like it was worthwhile to make
| Youtube videos... And the situation is getting worse for creators
| year over year.
| schlauerfox wrote:
| not 'beeps' so much as either Pulse-position modulation or FM
| to control the positions. I had a 'beta test' teddy before they
| were released, a friend of my father was a sculptor at WoW. I
| guess little me didn't want to give it back but had to, my Mom
| had to fight hard to find one at Christmas with a little inside
| info on delivery dates. You can still make cool stuff for your
| own sake, you don't have to monetize every hobby.
| l72 wrote:
| If you win the answering machine, just beware! >
| Deletion: > Irreversible
| swayvil wrote:
| This is green day?
|
| I have no feelings.
|
| 90s? Ween of course.
| i_am_jl wrote:
| The Teddy Ruxpin with the sync'd movements is crazy impressive.
|
| Having to provide an address and a credit card before the drawing
| is obnoxious, but it's led me to realize that if I really wanted
| things that played Green Day, I could make most of these things
| myself.
| scosman wrote:
| amazing album. amazing concept.
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| > The album that exploded punk rock 30 years ago, re-exploded
| onto obscure, obsolete, and inconvenient formats.
|
| It's really strange. I probably don't get it.
|
| I was there listening to punk rock and "grunge" rock in 1994.
| Back then nobody listened to music on his computer (the _.mp3_
| format didn 't even exist yet: at least not with that name)
| _except_ if it was using the PC 's CD drive, to play an audio CD.
|
| 1994 was kind "peak" quality: the loudness war on CDs just hadn't
| started yet and listening to music was often amazing for it was
| often played directly from CDs on actual stereos.
|
| Crappy sound only arrived a few years when the first, lame, mp3
| encoders arrived and became ubiquitous and everybody made lossy
| rip of CDs (because we didn't know how to rip losslessly yet from
| CDs) and then encoded them with poor encoders at shitty bitrates
| (like 128 kbps mp3 were really a thing in the late 90s, for
| Napster sharing).
|
| So it's really strange to take music from 1994, which is
| precisely a year were nobody listened to "shitty format" music
| _yet_ on his PC.
|
| FWIW I had my first CD player in 1988 or so.
|
| It's only in the late 90s that music quality for listening
| experience went seriously downhill, with people listening to
| shitty 128 kbps mp3 on their shitty, tiny, Logitech speakers.
|
| Nowadays all is good and fine again: Tidal, Spotify, Qobuz...
| It's all good sounding again. And many acceptable soundbars and
| systems came out (like Sonos and whatnots).
|
| So yup I don't get it: to me it's "fake retro" because 1994 music
| was enjoyed from CDs, on speakers hooked to a stereo (which were
| never as shitty as those tiny Logitech speakers and similar
| hooked to PCs).
|
| I just don't understand what this is: I must be getting old...
| But then as I'm getting old, it means I was there in 1994 and
| it's definitely not the 1994 I remember. It's kinda fake retro
| for something that never existed.
| msephton wrote:
| Brilliant
| jshchnz wrote:
| this is so freaking cool
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