[HN Gopher] After USA Ban: Google Kicks Kaspersky Out of Play Store
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After USA Ban: Google Kicks Kaspersky Out of Play Store
Author : flykespice
Score : 41 points
Date : 2024-10-07 16:38 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| nujabe wrote:
| US tendency to respond with sanctions to every problem big or
| small will be what brings down the empire eventually.
| Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote:
| What else can they do?
| doctorpangloss wrote:
| Why does the invisible hand of the market work out in every
| case except this one?
|
| There are a bajillion egregious things going on in the App
| Store. Why draw the line for Federal intervention here? Is
| there a sincere answer?
| buran77 wrote:
| Can? Anything that a mighty military, economic, and political
| power allows.
|
| Should? Maybe walk their talk? Too many times the US is
| criticizing countries like China for doing something only to
| turn around and do the very same thing but sprinkled with a
| "feel-good" explanation.
|
| This [0] will never get old.
|
| [0] https://www.brokenfrontier.com/wp-
| content/uploads/2020/03/ho...
| horsebridge wrote:
| Got any suggestions for this situation (invasion of
| Ukraine)?
| buran77 wrote:
| Your unrelated question is posed as a challenge to what I
| said, without actually challenging anything I said.
| Worse, it suggests banning Kaspersky from the Google Play
| Store is "a suggestion for the situation", whatever that
| might mean.
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| Your points, while well and true, are not really relevant
| in the current thread.
|
| The US isn't "criticizing countries ... for doing
| something only to turn around and do the very same thing
| but sprinkled with a "feel-good" explanation." in terms
| of the situation in Ukraine. Either show they are, or
| provide a suggestion to _the thing we 're actually
| talking about_.
| barryrandall wrote:
| Cyberbullying achieves its goals more often than sanctions
| do, and the ROI is astronomical by comparison.
| stackskipton wrote:
| As a country, your option to respond to another country doing
| something you don't like is either A) Sanctions or B) Military
| Action. B used to be a ton more common so it feels like we are
| improving, not getting worse.
| buran77 wrote:
| > doing something you don't like
|
| I think people mostly aren't surprised that a country is
| taking action against an enemy, that's expected in general.
| What might raise an eyebrow here and there is when they're
| doing it via the exact same means they classified as anti-
| democratic, anti-free market, anti-freedom, etc. when their
| enemies were doing it. It's the hypocrisy of the explanation
| and the realization once you try to look beyond the veneer of
| righteousness that those giving the explanation think their
| own people must be at peak ignorance.
| stackskipton wrote:
| Sure, we make a ton of freedom noises. However, we also run
| into paradox of tolerance problem where entities exploit
| those freedom noises against us.
|
| So yea, we have to break those rules against entities who
| would use them against us.
| buran77 wrote:
| > Sure, we make a ton of freedom noises.
|
| As I said, the hypocrisy of the speech and perhaps the
| expectation that people will always swallow it (which
| sets a low bar for the opinion about those people) are
| what stands out, not that a country takes actions against
| an enemy. Atomic bombs were dropped in the name of peace,
| a minor phone app being banned can hardly be called
| "aggression".
| ozgrakkurt wrote:
| Freedom or any ethical, moral thing is meaningless to any
| state or corporation. It is a tool to be used to get what
| they want. US or EU isn't strong and rich now because
| they gave everyone freedom or treated everyone ethically,
| it is the opposite
| bagels wrote:
| What of diplomacy and negotiations? Surely those two are what
| happens when those processes fail, but those processes don't
| always fail.
| barryrandall wrote:
| Groundhogs are better at predicting weather than sanctions
| are at achieving their stated goals.
| adrian_b wrote:
| Besides the hypocrisy noticed by other posters, there is a
| problem with the so-called sanctions of USA against China:
| they are not sanctions.
|
| True sanctions are associated with some political conditions.
| For instance one can apply some sanctions against Russia
| until it stops its war against Ukraine.
|
| In the case of the so-called sanctions against China no valid
| reason is provided for them and there is no "until".
|
| Real sanctions against China would be tied to some explicit
| requests, for example one could request from China to
| recognize Taiwan as an independent country, or to provide
| guarantees that they will not attempt to extend their
| territorial waters, or to guarantee certain rights for
| minorities, or whatever other changes in their current
| behaviors that are criticized by USA would be deemed as
| appropriate.
|
| Instead of this, USA has not requested anything from China,
| and the official motivations for the sanctions are
| ridiculous. Many Chinese companies have been blacklisted
| because they provide products or services for the Chinese
| military forces. This is a normal behavior for any company in
| any country. Plenty of the most important US companies
| provide products or services for the US military. If all
| these US companies would be blacklisted by other countries,
| it is likely that the participation of USA in the
| international commerce would disappear almost completely.
|
| While some of the less important US sanctions have at least
| this claimed purpose of weakening the Chinese military, even
| if no explicit rationale is given for why this is a
| legitimate goal, the most important US sanctions do not have
| any other goal than to eliminate the competitors of some US
| companies.
|
| For instance the war against Huawei has begun exactly in the
| moment when Huawei was on the verge of surpassing Qualcomm in
| the production of chipsets for smartphones and they were
| clearly demonstrating a superior capacity of innovation over
| Qualcomm.
|
| The second great wave of sanctions against SMIC and other
| important semiconductor device manufacturers has begun
| exactly when the Chinese were close to take a significant
| market share for flash memories from Micron.
|
| In both cases the US sanctions have succeeded to remove from
| the market for consumer products the Chinese competitors of
| the US companies, preventing thus a drop in the prices of
| smartphones and SSDs, which would have been beneficial for
| everybody in the world except for the shareholders of a few
| US and Korean companies, but their effect against the Chinese
| military is likely to have been close to null.
| d0mine wrote:
| "A" is just a foreplay for "B", to soften the target.
| wsatb wrote:
| This is quite sensationalist. There's a myriad of issues inside
| America's own borders that will bring down the empire.
| nujabe wrote:
| When the US dollar loses ground on its reserve currency
| status, it wouldn't matter what happens inside America.
| wsatb wrote:
| I think the empire has already fallen at that point.
|
| But regardless, what's the alternative and how is it immune
| to similar actions?
| ladyanita22 wrote:
| Not anytime soon, buddy
| cynicalsecurity wrote:
| It only took US three years of Russia-Ukraine war to kick a KGB's
| spying app out of their stores. This is a disaster. This should
| have been done on day 1.
| kbolino wrote:
| The KGB was dissolved, along with the rest of the Soviet Union,
| over 30 years ago.
| playingalong wrote:
| You would think so. Whatever the name, whatever the legal
| structure, I am pretty sure KGB persists. Or several factions
| of it.
| FlyingBears wrote:
| Well, with enthusiasm like that it is no wonder China and
| Russia banned all western social media and are actively trying
| to replace these services with homegrown. China was first,
| Russia late to the party, but working on it.
| steamingpenis wrote:
| dupe.
|
| yesterday:
|
| Google removes Kaspersky's antivirus software from Play Store
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41758475
| elpocko wrote:
| Hey, I know it's frustrating when this happens. However, there
| are no comments on your post from yesterday. It's not helpful
| to point out an older, empty, and ignored post.
| meowster wrote:
| I believe there's the ability for the moderators to implement
| karma equity sharing, or maybe that was just someone's
| suggestion I read a while back.
| redbell wrote:
| Welcome to HN, buddy, but your _username_ is too _vulgar_!
| Please consider changing it.
| kazinator wrote:
| > _The company is investigating the circumstances of the problem
| and exploring possible solutions to allow users to download and
| update the software from the Play Store again._
|
| They could ask their nephew in fifth grade who would tell them
| about things like F-Droid and naked .apk files.
| axegon_ wrote:
| Good call. Ultimately kaspersky is nothing more than a self-
| installed backdoor for the fsb if you have it.
| elashri wrote:
| Is there actually any proof that this is the case? or this is
| just an assumption because it is a Russian company? and
| wouldn't this logic apply to every company in the world no
| matter what the country is?
|
| I'm not trying to start a nationalistic war or a debate about
| war, etc. I'm trying to ask what I think valid question.
| Dalewyn wrote:
| You do realize you are on a forum where the vast majority of
| commenters vehemently detest the Western Big Data Industrial
| Complex(tm) and Snowden is heralded as a prophet for calling
| it out, right?
| axpvms wrote:
| yes, I know this place is full of morons
| ThunderSizzle wrote:
| It's full of European, Silicon Valley, and NYC wannabe
| elites who think they are superior to the rest of
| society. So yes, full of morons.
| axegon_ wrote:
| > russian company
|
| There's your answer: coming from an eastern European, I
| probably know a thing or two how things work in the communist
| world. We saw what yandex was on the inside about a year and
| a half ago - it'd be brutally naive, even to a westerner, to
| think that a cyber-"security" company is any different or
| rather worse. You can read the bios of all the people in high
| positions in kaspersky - those are not ordinary entrepreneurs
| but state-funded individuals that should stay far away from
| windows if they decide to disobey a single order, whether
| it's spying or donating their children's kidneys. But if you
| wanna dive into it, yes, plenty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wik
| i/Kaspersky_and_the_Russian_gove...
| cvalka wrote:
| I guess they haven't figured out anything about Acronis and Veeam
| ;-)
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