[HN Gopher] How to Stop Advertisers from Tracking Your Teen Acro...
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How to Stop Advertisers from Tracking Your Teen Across the Internet
Author : mooreds
Score : 56 points
Date : 2024-10-06 18:38 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| amelius wrote:
| If only Congress realized that some of these advertisers and data
| brokers answer to the CCP ... maybe we could have a tracking-free
| internet.
| hulitu wrote:
| > If only Congress realized that some of these advertisers and
| data brokers answer to the CCP ... maybe we could have a
| tracking-free internet.
|
| Yes, but Google, Microsoft and Meta answer to Uncle Sam. Why
| intetfere with their business ? /s
| j-bos wrote:
| You kid but perhaps https://www.vulnu.com/p/government-
| wiretaps-in-u-s-internet-...
| philwelch wrote:
| Much of Congress answers to the CCP too.
| curiousgal wrote:
| However to most of the world, Congress is what you perceive
| the CCP to be.
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _Much of Congress answers to the CCP too_
|
| What nonsense. No it doesn't. By the same standard of
| evidence, the CCP answers to American interests.
| hnpolicestate wrote:
| Cats gotta be out of the bag long by now.
|
| Am I to believe Google classroom isn't storing my students
| information, from as young as 3rd grade, to sell to 3rd parties
| once they turn 18? Or am I naive to think they aren't already
| selling it while they are literally children?
| nvarsj wrote:
| Most kids just stay logged as as their google classroom email,
| so that includes search/youtube/etc. Of course Google is
| tracking all that usage and targeting them for ads.
| hnpolicestate wrote:
| By the time they turn 18, Google will have such a perfect
| model of who they are. Will sell to the CIA, FBI etc.
| Complete profiles of how citizens think. Really evil stuff.
| nox101 wrote:
| this is a lie and you feel ashamed and stop spreading it.
| Google doesn't sell profles period and doesn't sell data to
| the fbi/cia
|
| The only evil here is you spreading false info
| Barrin92 wrote:
| For what it's worth since the DMA went into effect in Europe,
| you can now turn off sharing between almost all Google
| services.
|
| https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/14202892
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| Tracking isn't the kind of thing where once you cross some
| threshold there's no point in caring. Even if your kid's
| schoolwork habits are all bundled and sold to advertisers,
| protecting their privacy in other areas remains just as
| valuable.
| hnpolicestate wrote:
| Sarcasm? "Even if your kids schoolwork habits are all bundled
| and sold to advertisers". I think by that point we have done
| such a shameful job of protecting the privacy of children
| that we should put our heads down and throw in the towel. Not
| to mention all that data being fed into Gemini, profited off
| of.
|
| No point in protecting whatever private crumbs remain.
| Requires a full social reset. Imo.
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| What is a "full social reset"? Ideally I'd prefer to make
| incremental progress on privacy, but if you pinned me down
| and made me choose between accepting the status quo and
| abolishing all networked education apps, I'd pick the
| status quo. They have real benefits and I wish they'd been
| around when I was a kid.
| ssss11 wrote:
| That's my biggest concern. Schools have no idea.
| scrapcode wrote:
| Certainly not siding with Big G here, but the onus is on the
| school. They should be able to be held accountable.
| lolinder wrote:
| I've worked in the education sector--at least in the US there
| are well known data protection laws that schools very much do
| know about and attempt to comply with. It's not quite HIPAA
| levels of serious, but they do take it seriously, and as
| another commenter notes Google actually does comply.
| damontal wrote:
| I remember a teacher telling us that parents should not
| check their kids Google classroom accounts because it would
| be a violation of the other students' privacy. I understand
| what they were saying but there's no way I'm not checking
| my kid's Google classroom account. Ridiculous.
| advisedwang wrote:
| If your student has a google account created by the school
| using Google for Education, then their data is not being used
| for ads. And if their admins delete your student account after
| they graduate (as they should) then their data is truly gone
| (after a relatively short retention period).
|
| Now if you have a student using a non Google for Education
| account, then Google _will_ store and use their data for ad
| targeting after they turn 18. Also if they lie about their age
| when they create their account (which is very likely,
| especially because Google doesn 't allow you to create an
| account with age less than 13) then this will kick in sooner.
| In addition even though ad personalization is off for under 18
| and advertisers are not supposed to target them by other means,
| they can and do by targetting search terms, youtube categories
| etc that under 18s are frequently interested in.
|
| (FWIW Google never really "sells" your data. That would loose
| their monopoly on their most valued asset. It's more like they
| rent it out, but allowing advertisers to target you. The
| advertisers never actually get to see "person X has attribute
| ABC", more like the advertiser says "target people with ABC"
| and they trust google to show it people like that.)
| hnpolicestate wrote:
| "If your student has a google account created by the school
| using Google for Education, then their data is not being used
| for ads" - then how do they make money? Is Google classroom
| free for schools?
| lolinder wrote:
| Yes, but there are enterprise-y tiers that are paid.
| Loughla wrote:
| Yes it's free. And yes it's not making money. They do have
| phenomenal education resources for teachers that are paid,
| though.
|
| It's about getting them baked into the google ecosystem.
| Microsoft did this in the 90's, but with businesses instead
| of schools (and not for free to be honest).
|
| Get them used to Google so they use nothing but Google when
| they're adults. Then monetization happens.
| ars wrote:
| > because Google doesn't allow you to create an account with
| age less than 13
|
| Actually you can - you create the account under FamilyLink.
|
| See here: https://support.google.com/families/answer/7103338
| canada_dry wrote:
| I would hazard to guess that Google classroom (starting at
| Kindergarten and continuing through post secondary) software is
| mostly installed via next-next-finish (i.e. whatever the defaults
| set by Google are). I'd also assume that these defaults are set
| to very minimal privacy protection for students.
|
| Having this digital record entrusted to any company that is not
| under strong privacy controls should be frightening to parents.
|
| School administrators figure the low-cost low-barrier-to-entry is
| well worth the long term privacy risk to children.
|
| * Fortunately my children were out of school when this became
| common place - so kindly correct me if I'm mistaken.
| Loughla wrote:
| Google for education has very thorough and strict privacy
| controls. They have to, most states have pretty strict laws
| around that anymore.
| ykonstant wrote:
| This is one of the situations where I would use a more baity
| title: "Protect your teen from non-consensual ad tracking". The
| subject is boring and abstract enough that you need all the
| trigger words you can muster to garner the interest of the public
| at large.
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