[HN Gopher] Sometimes the product innovation is the distribution
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       Sometimes the product innovation is the distribution
        
       Author : surprisetalk
       Score  : 118 points
       Date   : 2024-10-01 15:08 UTC (5 days ago)
        
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       | ezekg wrote:
       | Upvoting this because it made me think about SaaS and its
       | relationship with open- and fair-source.
       | 
       | Often a change in distribution v. closed-source can be its own
       | moat.
        
         | necrecious wrote:
         | Can you expand and maybe give an example of what you are
         | saying?
        
           | ezekg wrote:
           | Sure. If there's a market that has only closed-source
           | incumbents, providing an open- or fair-source alternative,
           | i.e. changing the distribution model, can be an innovation
           | unto itself.
           | 
           | I wrote about the relationship here if you want to read more
           | about what I mean: https://keygen.sh/blog/licensing-is-
           | packaging/
        
       | ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
       | One could argue that Nike using influencer marketing with Michael
       | Jordan was one of these hacks as well (at least at that time).
       | Apple's 1984 ads and the marketing made them more valuable and
       | that is step 1 of distribution.
       | 
       | The Gas app by Nikita also had this new distribution channel
       | through Instagram etc.
       | 
       | These are actually the real secrets of business. If you do know
       | one of them you are for sure not sharing them on Youtube.
        
         | the_gipsy wrote:
         | That is not distribution.
        
           | ac2u wrote:
           | The last example definitely is. They used instagrams
           | notification of follow-backs to do mass simultaneous follow-
           | backs of another platform as an install call to action to
           | increase the chances of their geospatially clustered users
           | having social interactions in-app.
        
       | thom wrote:
       | Don't sleep on any of the boxes in the business model canvas!
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Model_Canvas
       | 
       | The most important thing I think that activity teaches you is
       | that business is a huge multidimensional space, and you can
       | always find a quiet region within which there's probably some
       | profitable point. So much startup advice is basically how to
       | structure a walk through this space.
        
         | larodi wrote:
         | Indeed, other times the customer relationships, or the
         | packaging, sometimes it is even about technology, but not so
         | often .) Having attended and then participated in the masters
         | program in Technological Entrepreneurship @ Sofia University,
         | this all seems now so apparent. But you can only really grasp
         | it when you have a business activity, otherwise it is sounds
         | like common sense talk.
        
       | frankdenbow wrote:
       | Some other recent related examples I've seen of changing the
       | format to differentiate:
       | 
       | Guacamole squeeze bottle: Typically guacamole at supermarkets
       | come in tubs, but one company put it into a squeeze bottle which
       | lets it last longer and use it to squirt on your tacos easier.
       | Normally I would compare prices / taste but the format trumps all
       | of those other factors.
       | https://www.instacart.com/products/21844889-yucatan-guacamol...?
       | 
       | Flour: I typically see flour sold by multiple companies in these
       | small paper bags that you would throw away after you put it into
       | a real container. Wondra put theirs in a shaker bottle, making it
       | easier to use when you want to thicken up a sauce while cooking.
       | Now their brand is shown and maintained when other wise it would
       | just be yet another flour company:
       | https://www.instacart.com/products/16409225-gold-medal-wondr...?
        
         | 4hg4ufxhy wrote:
         | Interesting that there is demand for this, I couldn't imagine
         | using either one. Maybe it's a small niche, but with very
         | profitable margins.
        
         | ibash wrote:
         | > after you put it into a real container
         | 
         | What? Who recontainers flour?
        
           | thanksgiving wrote:
           | I always pour flour from the paper bag into my giant plastic
           | container. I haven't in almost half a year though.
           | 
           | You guys are talking about all purpose (wheat) flour, right?
        
           | magicalhippo wrote:
           | We do, easy way to avoid bugs getting in there.
           | 
           | Guess it's related to the fact we don't bake that often, a
           | 2kg (4.5 lbs) bag of flour can last us a month.
        
             | krisoft wrote:
             | And do you in practice seen bugs in your flour? How often?
             | 
             | Because i too consume flour at a similar rate to yours, I
             | don't recontainer my flour and never in my life seen bugs
             | in flour.
        
               | magicalhippo wrote:
               | Yes, not terribly often but enough that the simple act of
               | putting it in an airtight container is worth it.
        
               | samastur wrote:
               | Yes or more correctly, my wife and I used to until we
               | started putting all such goods (flour, oats, rice) in
               | sealed glass containers.
        
               | mhuffman wrote:
               | Perhaps you might not have been looking close enough. If
               | you are not blasting through flour very quickly and you
               | leave it in a bag, even clipped, you can get weevils and
               | mites. This is not new. Ask elderly home cooks that you
               | know. Putting it in sealed containers or jars, however,
               | it can keep for a good while.
        
             | nicoburns wrote:
             | Huh, I guess the likelihood of this depends on where you
             | live. I have had this happen only once in my entire life,
             | and a 1kg bag of flour can last me several months! (I
             | rarely bake cook with flour)
        
               | magicalhippo wrote:
               | True. It's apparently one of the most common pests in
               | Norwegian households and in the Scandinavian countries,
               | but not that common elsewhere[1]. Seems it might be
               | related to our climate, with cold winters but warm indoor
               | temperatures.
               | 
               | [1]: https://www.pestium.no/skadedyr-i-
               | naeringsmidler/hvor-kommer...
        
               | mijamo wrote:
               | Interestingly it happened to me a lot in France but never
               | in Sweden. So it cannot be just about temperature
        
           | RandomThoughts3 wrote:
           | Everyone who has ever had to deal with food moths or weevils
           | so many people I would guess. I also put it through the
           | freezer before.
           | 
           | Air tight container is a game changer when it comes to
           | properly storing dry goods for a long time.
        
           | atombender wrote:
           | I do, because I find the bag to be messy. No matter how
           | careful I am, it's impossible to open, take flour out, and
           | close it without spilling a fine mist of flour around it.
           | 
           | With a container (I recommend Anchor Hocking's aluminium
           | containers that have a rubber seal and a metal latch), I
           | never have any issues. Open, carefully scoop out, close.
           | Easier to wipe down, too. And the latch keeps stuff sealed
           | even if the container falls over or is moved around. Easier
           | to stack in a cupboard, too.
           | 
           | I also use this type of container for rice, grains, spices,
           | pasta, etc.
        
           | com2kid wrote:
           | I do, to maintain freshness and to keep the kitchen neat. A
           | single bag of flour can last me over a year.
           | 
           | Also the bags sold in the US are so flimsy that they almost
           | always leak flour everywhere just by sitting still.
        
           | totallymike wrote:
           | We have a handful of containers in our house for such
           | purposes. Flour and cat food are the first two that come to
           | mind, and using them is exclusively a better experience than
           | leaving these products in their original container.
           | 
           | That said, they often sit unused because we forget to
           | actually do the transfer!
        
         | totallymike wrote:
         | I remember a few years ago when we started to see sour cream in
         | similar squeeze bottles and what a revelation it felt like. No
         | more watery separation or dried out clumps, and no need for
         | something to scoop it out with. Now a number of brands package
         | it this way, and it's the kind you see in our refrigerator most
         | often
        
       | andai wrote:
       | I found this wonderful page on the author's website:
       | 
       | https://interconnected.org/home/2020/09/24/unoffice_hours
       | 
       | >For the past month or so, as an experiment, I've been opening my
       | calendar each week for video calls with whoever books a time.
       | It's been amazing. Wednesday is now my favourite day.
       | 
       | >I loved those open conversations over coffee in the Before
       | Times. There's an ostensible reason to connect, so you talk about
       | work, or compare notes about an idea, or whatever.
       | 
       | >But then the unexpected emerges. There are things in your head
       | that you only know are there when you say them.
        
       | greenie_beans wrote:
       | kinda related: would love to see somebody to innovate in the book
       | distribution space.
        
         | meowster wrote:
         | How so?
         | 
         | (Not me, but I'm curious, and who knows, maybe someone else
         | here can.)
        
       | firesteelrain wrote:
       | What's with the annoying cursors ?
        
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