[HN Gopher] Bop Spotter
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Bop Spotter
Author : walz
Score : 2313 points
Date : 2024-09-30 06:09 UTC (1 days ago)
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| timkq wrote:
| Love this idea! I presume you're using cellular? Won't it rack up
| a lot of costs?
| mkarliner wrote:
| Ex Shazam tech here. The signatures that the Shazam app sends
| are very small, so bandwith costs should be minimal. Of course,
| I speaking about the technology of my day 2001+, so times may
| have changed
| praptak wrote:
| It seems to also send the actual sound samples though.
| duskwuff wrote:
| The audio samples are ~250 kB each. A single photo would
| probably be larger.
| svantana wrote:
| I did some measurements on shazam and it seems to send about
| 7kb/minute, which corresponds to 300MB/month, i.e. no big deal.
| I suppose it helps that shazam was designed in the age of
| expensive bandwidth.
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| I've learned when setting up a family plan that depending on
| how many devices you already have (my wife and I each had 1
| phone and 1 apple watch) we could get an extra line with
| unlimited data for functionally nothing. (The sim's sitting in
| my dashcam right now, been silently plugging away for months)
| ertgbnm wrote:
| Some phone plans like Google Fi will give you a data only sim
| card for free. It ends up being totally free as long as you
| have unlimited data plans. I use my old phone and a data only
| sim card for random projects.
| kreyenborgi wrote:
| can you also make it tell people to turn the noise down
| sneak wrote:
| Why did you move to the Mission, a noisy neighborhood, if you
| don't like noise?
| beAbU wrote:
| > But it's not about catching criminals. It's about catching
| vibes.
|
| Love this so much.
| cousin_it wrote:
| I guess it will mostly reflect the musical taste of assholes
| who turn their music up loud. Hmm, but maybe all culture works
| like that.
| microtherion wrote:
| It might reflect different attitudes between cultures as to
| what volume makes one an "asshole".
| tirant wrote:
| I guess no one with loud music considers themself an
| asshole, so this should be actually giving the information
| on exactly what you mention.
| itishappy wrote:
| I had a collogue who installed his speaker setup facing
| backwards out of his trunk. He knew what he was doing.
| hotspot_one wrote:
| I know it's a typo, and I make typos all the time, but
| this one should be elevated to the "new word" status
|
| A collogue:
|
| Someone who sees their role on the team as to annoys
| others.
| tcpkump wrote:
| That's just how you install a subwoofer though?
| Drew_ wrote:
| They were probably subwoofers. The direction doesn't make
| a difference for those.
| buildsjets wrote:
| He knew what he was doing, but YOU had no clue what he
| was doing. Low frequency audio is close to non-
| directional, you install subwoofers where it is
| convenient to fit them, not to "aim" the sound in any
| particular direction.
|
| Mine is firing directly upwards. I'm not trying to knock
| birds out of the sky.
| JoeMerchant wrote:
| Subs are non-directional, as someone else pointed out,
| and bass sound waves need room to propagate. The actual
| direction they get "aimed" can also depend on the trunk
| area and shape.
|
| My subs, while currently pointing backwards, would have
| been better firing upwards for no other reason than the
| manufacturer (Audiofrog) doesn't recommend grills. As it
| is, I have to be careful what I place in my trunk to
| avoid punching a hole in the cone.
| microtherion wrote:
| There are examples in several cultures of songs that
| boast of annoying others:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_IWlPHMziU
|
| Other cultures seem to feel more entitled, thinking that
| THEIR music could not possibly bother anyone. I've
| certainly heard people blast Wagner or Orff at high
| volumes.
| jhardy54 wrote:
| "turn down" isn't about the volume of the music btw.
| microtherion wrote:
| Interesting! What is it about, then?
| alach11 wrote:
| The phrase "turn down" is the opposite of "turn up". To
| "turn down" would be to decrease the intensity of the
| party. And "turn down for what" means something like
| "don't stop the party for any reason".
| windexh8er wrote:
| Pretty sure that's not the case here. To "turn down" is a
| common phrase (at least in the US) that is used to
| describe changing something by use of a control.
|
| As described at Wiktionary [0] - it's an idiomatic way of
| saying that you're going to lower the volume through use
| of a control to do that. The context that was used has
| nothing to do with party.
|
| [0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/turn_down
|
| EDIT: My bad, thought it was in response to...
|
| > I guess it will mostly reflect the musical taste of
| assholes who turn their music up loud. Hmm, but maybe all
| culture works like that.
| triyambakam wrote:
| No, the above poster is talking about the Lil Jon song
| called "Turn down for what" and it's not about volume.
| zerd wrote:
| https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/turn-down-for-what/
|
| > At its core, turn down for what is a phrase used to
| promote having a good time. The phrase itself implies
| that there is no reason to turn down and stop partying.
| buildsjets wrote:
| I bet you are just the type of square who thinks that
| U+1F346 represents an eggplant.
| microtherion wrote:
| OK, that makes sense in the context of "another round of
| shots".
|
| But in my experience, party intensity and music volume
| are generally correlated, so you would probably turn down
| the former by turning down the latter.
| card_zero wrote:
| I had to consult with my elders to verify this, but I can
| now confirm that in 1950s England, "turn it up" meant the
| opposite: "stop what you're doing, settle down".
| xandrius wrote:
| Any volume which makes your music become my music too
| without my consent is at asshole level.
| mistercheph wrote:
| White mf's be like...
| the_other wrote:
| It might be that you're the asshole in this situation. I
| think the boundaries are pourous around this topic.
|
| (Sure, I just called someone random on the web an
| asshole. I don't mean it with any force. In London we get
| people riding busses playing their im-personal stereos
| loudly, sometimes. I often don't like it either. I often
| use headphones for my own sounds but not the blocking
| kind, and will have to stop my music because of thwirs.
| One time someone got into the Tube/metro carriage I was
| in playing loud Brazilian music from a speaker on a
| trolley. At first it annoyed me, but after a few bars it
| got me grooving. Then I realised it was a funk-infused
| cover of a traditional capoeira song, so I steuck up a
| conversation with the other rider about Brazil and
| capoeira. Made my day.)
| ehaliewicz2 wrote:
| Realizing that you enjoyed being forced to listen to
| music you didn't decide to listen to doesn't mean you
| might be an asshole for not enjoying it at other times.
| That's ridiculous.
| xandrius wrote:
| That's nice you can get some nice story out of it but I
| do think people who grew up in cities have a totally
| different mindset than the rest of us.
|
| For me, I don't want to live in a cacophony of noises
| 24/7. That goes for music, non-stop ambulances, loud
| speakers, etc.
|
| I tried and decided that those places are not for me, so
| I moved back to smaller and much quieter places (I very
| much prefer the sound of rivers, insects and wild birds
| to other people's sounds.)
|
| It might make me an asshole but it's also quite natural
| to be drawn to peace, so there that.
| cypherpunks01 wrote:
| Have you considered those who are hard of hearing? Should
| they be made to drive their vehicles in silence?
| ehaliewicz2 wrote:
| I'm willing to bet 99.99% of the time you hear music from
| outside a car it's not due to someone being hard of
| hearing, unless they caused that issue themselves by
| listening to music too loud.
|
| However, if you are hard of hearing to the point where
| you are actually disturbing others, I would recommend
| headphones.
| fwip wrote:
| It is not generally legal to drive while wearing
| headphones. In some US states it is specifically banned,
| and in many others you will get pulled over for
| distracted driving. (The thinking is partly because it
| makes it more difficult to hear emergency vehicle
| sirens).
| ehaliewicz2 wrote:
| If your headphones are blocking sound, yeah it can be
| hazardous.
| robocat wrote:
| Background noise makes it difficult for the hard of
| hearing to listen to conversation.
|
| If we cared more for the hard of hearing we would reduce
| music volumes and make restaurants quieter. Our society
| doesn't care even though it pretends to.
| jaza wrote:
| I spent several years in South America, and down there (it
| varies by country, but by and large) it's totally normal
| for people to play music on loudspeaker on public
| transport, walking down the street, in the park, etc,
| nobody bats an eyelid. The same behaviour in most western
| countries is met with disdainful looks, and often with
| someone else blatantly telling the "offender" to put on
| headphones. So, yeah, it does depend on the culture.
| vunderba wrote:
| Highly variable of course - but I've found these types of
| self-centered narcissistic attributes to be far more endemic
| to western culture. I don't remember a single time in my
| years of living in Taiwan where I heard somebody blaring loud
| music / subwoofers, both while walking around and in all the
| flats that I lived.
| BobaFloutist wrote:
| Is the global south part of western culture?
| staticautomatic wrote:
| You obviously haven't ridden the bus in SF Chinatown.
| manquer wrote:
| In my experience it is function of how a society values
| personal space and courtesy.
|
| You do find a lot of social music in high density
| environments such as in found in global south or in America
| cities where personal space is not a much of a choice ,
| while Taiwan (or Japan or Korea) is high density too the
| extreme courteous culture makes them different.
|
| It is also different in what makes public music, it is not
| necessarily someone playing their favorite songs , in India
| for example things like religious events or weddings or
| funerals people tolerate and even expect public music but
| typically don't accept say a guy with a boom box .
|
| It is very different way of growing up and living if you
| have to no choice but hear neighbors fighting or having sex
| , public music wouldn't feel so offensive when you hear a
| lot things you prefer not to daily.
| ramon156 wrote:
| I spent too much time on TikTok, because I got confused how a
| "bop" spotter even worked.
| ClassyJacket wrote:
| Yes, I'm quite upset about the repurposing of "bop" to be
| offensive, it was a good word and I liked its old meaning.
|
| For anyone who doesn't know, 'bop' to gen Z is a derogatory
| term for a sexually active woman, it basically means 'slut'.
|
| Redefining existing words is something that really irritates
| me, particularly when it's used to attack women.
| imawakegnxoxo wrote:
| Blitzkrieg.... Hoes?
|
| I've spent a few more minutes than I should have trying to
| work this out. The only way I can figure this is it's related
| to the head movement? Still not sure. I sure do have very
| little love for this generation though
| stavros wrote:
| Having heard some Gen Z terms before, it's probably some
| initials, like "big old pussy" or something like that.
| t-3 wrote:
| It's definitely not a gen Z term. Like aaron695 said,
| it's AAVE, and not new at all. I've mostly heard it in
| the south/gulf coast.
| KomoD wrote:
| > For anyone who doesn't know, 'bop' to gen Z is a derogatory
| term for a sexually active woman, it basically means 'slut'.
|
| I have never heard this and I'm "Gen Z". I looked at Urban
| Dictionary and the earliest definition that says slut goes
| back to 2005, so "Gen Z" definitely didn't come up with it.
| fortyseven wrote:
| I wonder if it's a twist or corruption of the whole "bonk"
| horny jail nonsense when someone posts something thirsty?
| aaron695 wrote:
| > really irritates me, particularly when it's used to attack
| women.
|
| It's black slang and it's decades old.
|
| Rather than being some Woke Simp the truth is you don't like
| the way lower class black people speak.
|
| Or maybe you don't like TikTokers speaking like lower class
| black people?
|
| Or you could get over yourself and just explain words?
| komali2 wrote:
| We used "bopping around" as a term to describe a sexually
| confident woman enjoying herself on the scene, as a generally
| positive term, at least since 2015, so I'm not sure it's a
| zoomer thing. Did it become a derogatory term? As we used it
| it was explicitly in opposition to "slut," it was a word of
| empowerment. Like yeah she gets laid good for her.
| 1-more wrote:
| First usage I can think of is "boppers" in Paul Wall & Kanye
| West's 2005 "Drive Slow." It'd be a hell of a coincidence if
| they weren't related. In Wall's oeuvre it just seems to
| denote "the women I'm interested in" without much in the way
| of connotation.
|
| > The disco ball in my mouth insinuates I'm ballin' > I'm
| leaning on the switch, sitting crooked in my slab > But I
| could still catch boppers if I drove a cab
|
| https://genius.com/20328302
| nusl wrote:
| This is really cool. Imagine a map of this across a city, being
| able to see what different areas tend to listen to. I imagine
| you'd find some surprising and not-so-surprising things.
| defrost wrote:
| Like where's the Yacht-Rock district and is Trap-House actually
| played near any trap houses, etc?
| xnorswap wrote:
| Then you'd get someone taking the trouble to correlate music
| and times, to capture someone moving across the city on the
| map.
|
| Then you'd get profiling to potentially pick out who in
| particular moved across the city and the exact time of path of
| their movement.
|
| While this is a nice idea on a local scale, when scaled up it
| has horrendous privacy implications.
| xnorswap wrote:
| And music fingerprinting is probably incredibly accurate,
| because it can work similar to linguistic fingerprinting.
|
| There was a site posted to this place a year or so ago, which
| looked at work frequencies to find alt-accounts.
|
| I don't hide the fact that I use a different account on
| different computers, so I have a personal account and work
| accounts and end up changing accounts each time I change
| jobs.
|
| This site correlated all my accounts, using a very basic
| fingerprinting technique of looking for words which a user
| uses uncommonly often.
|
| It found them all with a good degree of confidence.
|
| I haven't seen reference to that site since, I suspect it got
| taken down.
|
| Musical fingerprinting would be accurate to a similar degree.
| You wouldn't look for the music someone listens to most,
| you'd look for uncommon combinations.
|
| A combination a just a few songs that someone listens to
| unusually more than other people is probably enough for a
| good enough correlation for fingerprinting.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Leaking 33 bits over time, especially a lifetime, is nearly
| impossible to avoid.
|
| Although it's more difficult, it's also possible to be too
| "middle of the road": very few individuals are very close
| to the population average in all dimensions.
|
| (Heinrich Boll's _At the Bridge_ is a great short story;
| Boll had worked in a statistics department so he was
| probably well aware of the weakness in his protagonist 's
| reasoning)
|
| About the best I'd ask for is that _custodes_ should
| _ipsos_ be as correlatable as we all are: the amphiopticon?
|
| Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7skMnxly0
| mohn wrote:
| I enjoyed playing with that webapp [0], bummer that it's
| down now.
|
| [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33755016
| xnorswap wrote:
| Thank for finding that, yes that's the one. It was
| incredibly accurate.
|
| I'm in two minds about the fact it's down.
|
| 1. It's probably a good thing that it isn't super-easy to
| quickly find everyone's alternate accounts.
|
| 2. The capability is clearly there and the technology is
| out there, but now in the hands of the few people who
| bother to re-implement it.
|
| It was a useful tool for highlighting the naivety of
| believing that throwaway accounts were a real possibility
| when stylometry analysis is so relatively cheap to do.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I just gave up on ever being able to really be anonymous,
| after I had a rather sobering interaction with Disqus.
|
| I had never used it, and wanted to leave a comment on a
| site (long ago -can't remember where or when).
|
| I started to sign up for Disqus, and it helpfully asked me
| "We found all these comments from around the Web. Should we
| associate these with this account?"
|
| It included some old, dead-and-gone-I-would-have-sworn-it
| troll postings that I had pooped out, back in the last
| century.
|
| I immediately deleted my signup, and went and had a lie-
| down.
|
| These days, I deliberately make it obvious who I am, and
| post as if I had to stand behind my words.
| xnorswap wrote:
| I do the same, but I recognise that being able to stand
| up and be recognised is a freedom and privilege not
| enjoyed by everyone.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| Absolutely. I'm not against anonymity, but am rather
| cynical about it, and appreciate the freedom (I have
| lived in nightmare totalitarian countries, and my father
| was in the CIA).
| reaperducer wrote:
| _Then you 'd get someone taking the trouble to correlate
| music and times, to capture someone moving across the city on
| the map._
|
| Only if someone can move across the city in three minutes.
| RandallBrown wrote:
| You would still need a way to map the music to the person
| listening to it.
|
| Apple and Google could do this if you use their music
| services, but they already know where you are.
|
| I suppose if I have very unique taste in music and someone
| else knew about it, they could track me, but this is easily
| foiled by wearing headphones.
| defrost wrote:
| Nice idea - it'd be interesting to do some stats on matching
| accuracy, eg: September 29, 2024 6:53 PM
| La Banda Del Carro Rojo Los Tigres del Norte
|
| links to the captured street noise that matched .. and I (perhaps
| others can) cannot hear the asserted "match"
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wjz9L0UOhE
|
| but bonus points for picking up that _Virreinato de Nueva Espana_
| vibe.
| Dibby053 wrote:
| You can faintly hear the accordion near the end of the
| recording.
|
| I don't like that it shares the recordings though. It doesn't
| add much value and it's a privacy violation, even if it's
| legal.
| defrost wrote:
| Good effort if that's what it is (I confess, I haven't looped
| back to check).
|
| Sharing for people to check is useful to bed something in,
| I'm not fond of the "privacy violation" but I grew up in
| small communities .. if you said _anything_ within earshot in
| a public area it went around town faster than 10 gigabit
| fibre, and that was before WWW, before even TCP or the IP it
| sat on.
|
| Accessible storage and replay _forever_ is a whole level up,
| but these are the days in which face recognition is being
| rolled out to giant billboards that can display different
| images to different positions and track several moving
| pedtrasians with targeted ads based on their preferences.
| xerox13ster wrote:
| See I'm not sure that it is legal. If they are re-
| transmitting audio is being played in public over the
| Internet for potentially many thousands more people, I'm
| pretty sure the RIAA, the UMG, & the WMG would all have
| something to say about it.
| BobaFloutist wrote:
| In general, for chickenshit like this, the worst the
| authorities are likely to say is "Please stop."
| nickphx wrote:
| The clips are a few seconds long and the use does not
| appear to be commercial, even then their inclusion could be
| seen as fair use to a reasonable person.
| hinkley wrote:
| I listened to six and only just barely caught Just the Two of
| Us. Half the rest are just hallucinating.
| leokennis wrote:
| I'm nervous about the battery being at 91%...is it not plugged
| into a constant source of power?
| ollybee wrote:
| "It's solar powered"
| donalhunt wrote:
| How does it survive SanFran's infamous sea fog that rolls in
| from time to time?
| STRiDEX wrote:
| the mission is one of the least foggy neighborhoods
| boringg wrote:
| dogpatch is another good contender.
| hindsightbias wrote:
| Karl is hip and can roll with it.
| unkeen wrote:
| > It's solar powered, ...
| justmarc wrote:
| Super cool! This is a proper fusion of innovation and creativity.
| advael wrote:
| This is amazing
|
| You're keeping charts, right? I wanna know what the top hit on
| that block is next month
| bradrn wrote:
| Looks like the results are exported to a CSV file:
| https://walzr.com/bop-spotter/export
| helboi4 wrote:
| I fucking love this. hilarious idea
| yawpitch wrote:
| I love this. Beautiful, simple, but just a little subversive.
|
| :chef's kiss:
| bravura wrote:
| How do I join the party? Is there a quickstart so you can hear
| the vibes of Berlin?
|
| [edit: It would be awesome if others could collaborate on this
| and had a guide on how to do it!]
| kioleanu wrote:
| I recommend you sit this one out, as recording people, even if
| only audio and sending the sound over the internet is very much
| against the law in germany
| bravura wrote:
| Thinking this through more deeply, I agree and see your
| position. It is creepy to surveil audio and possibly send in
| full to Shazam. [edit: And post the original audio recordings
| online.] The ethical way to do this would be to use your own
| code to decimate the audio signal to extremely low
| dimensionality.
| devin wrote:
| You misunderstand how Shazam works. Nothing is "sent in
| full".
| jetrink wrote:
| The music fingerprinting on my Android phone works in
| airplane mode, so it would be possible with modifications.
| Also, it's likely that Shazam is sending a "hash" of the
| audio rather than an audio stream in most cases.
| zorked wrote:
| European law tends not to like "clever" workarounds. IANAL
| but I belive you would still be practicing illegal
| surveillance.
| InDubioProRubio wrote:
| Its not a hash though? Its a reverse - fourier transform
| system that matches the sound- similar to the filter that
| filters out the vuvuzelas?
|
| https://www.dechicchis.com/assets/Joseph-DeChicchis-Music-
| Id...
|
| Like having a distinctive click impulse and get the
| cathedral from that.
| jetrink wrote:
| Ctrl-F in that document for 'hashing'. That step reduces
| the audio information to a sparse collection of key
| points, one for each of four frequency ranges per time
| segment. I would assume that everything up to that step
| is done on the phone and only the key points are sent to
| the server.
| infecto wrote:
| Recording conversations are illegal but if you could prevent
| that from happening, there is enough wiggle room that it has
| the potential to be legal.
| IsopropylMalbec wrote:
| Would that not mean that Shazaam is illegal Germany? From my
| limited searching it doesn't seem like it is.
| kioleanu wrote:
| Shazam is not illegal in Germany unless I missremember what
| the app does and instead of being to identify songs based
| on samples, it's being used to record people
| tanakere wrote:
| Well it's you a person who is recording the music. So it's
| the user's responsibility to make sure you are not breaking
| any laws. So the app cannot be held at fault for this. No
| one cares if you do a Shazam in public so it all just works
| out.
|
| But if you set up an autonomous recording device, no matter
| what you say you are doing, you will have problems.
| barbazoo wrote:
| What law is that that's broken here?
| systemtest wrote:
| Especially on a Sunday
| Tepix wrote:
| Which law are you thinking about in particular?
|
| I expectation is that the microphone above the rooftop will
| not pick up on normal conversations, only louder stuff.
| olalonde wrote:
| Installing stuff on public utility polls is probably illegal
| everywhere.
| jcgrillo wrote:
| The legality of it only matters if you get caught. So don't
| use hardware or software that's traceable back to you, and be
| sufficiently careful to remain undetected when you install
| it. People often weigh the likelihood of being caught much,
| much higher than it actually is, and therefore conclude "I
| mustn't do anything illegal", which is irrational.
| input_sh wrote:
| Other than "it'd be fun to build", what would it bring to the
| table in comparison to say this Apple Music playlist?
| https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/top-25-berlin/pl.184d798...
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| What more could one possibly need than "it'd be fun to
| build"? Does everything in the world have to be novel and
| important? Or can some things just be cool and for fun?
| input_sh wrote:
| What I was going for (but poorly expressed) is that if your
| goal is to figure out what people listen to within a
| geographical area, streaming service data seems far more
| comprehensive than putting one mic on one random street.
| bitfilped wrote:
| The goal here seems more focused towards informing people
| about the existence and imprecision of shot spotters than
| actually trying to determine anything about regional
| music interests.
| egypturnash wrote:
| The music industry has a long, long history of people paying
| to put songs in prominent places. If you built it yourself
| you would be 100% confident that nobody was paying the person
| compiling the playlist to put songs on it.
|
| Well, at least at first. If your playlist derived from the
| ambient music of a particular streetcorner in Berlin becomes
| popular enough, someone would probably try hanging out there
| blasting their new song 24/7. Someone else might try
| approaching you about working out a deal to pay you to slip
| their new song into the mix. And of course you can never know
| who's paying to put songs on whatever stations or playlists
| the locals are listening to.
|
| Some pretty interesting things would probably happen as the
| result of your goofy little fun project getting big enough to
| start having these problems though.
| xnx wrote:
| Clicked through to see if this was using the 2024/TikTok
| definition of "bop". That would be a very different app. Not
| infeasible. Possibly illegal.
| worstspotgain wrote:
| The Mission is a variegated place. It's been undergoing
| gentrification for 4 decades but it never seems to get there - so
| much so that you could say that that's become its "thing."
|
| The exact location where the phone is placed makes a _huge_
| difference. Going from Valencia to Shotwell to the BART plazas to
| the Latino bars and back to the hills your soundtrack would
| change quite a few times.
| azinman2 wrote:
| Where does gentrification begin and end? The mission went from
| Ohlone to Spanish to German/Irish/Italian immigrants, then
| Mexican immigrants, then Central American, then LGBT, then
| wider punks/misfits and other immigrants including Filipinos,
| before the techies started moving in. I don't really understand
| this term because it seems to suggest before a richer class
| moves into an area it displaces "the true inhabitants," but
| those true inhabitants have almost always displaced someone
| else.
| worstspotgain wrote:
| It involves a massive increase in housing prices, primarily
| brought about by artificial supply restrictions, that results
| in unintentional displacement. The reason the Mission is
| still variegated is rent control, along with various forms of
| affordable housing, housesharing, master tenant slumlords,
| SROs, extended family arrangements, etc. It's a pretty unique
| and amazing place really.
| wozniacki wrote:
| Yeah I'm sure handshake politics goes a long way in these
| neighborhoods often to the detriment of the unsuspecting,
| unconnected and un-special-interest-group attached renters
| and owners.
|
| [1]
|
| Protesters Gather at Google Lawyer's Apartments
|
| https://missionlocal.org/2014/04/protesters-gather-at-
| google...
| worstspotgain wrote:
| Ellis evictions suck particularly hard because they can
| happen out of the blue for any building, even if you
| chose one suited for long tenancies. I don't know what
| percentage results in protests, but it's quite a few.
| Some of the contested ones fail on technical grounds
| before they get to the protest stage [1].
|
| [1] https://sftu.org/ellis/
| convolvatron wrote:
| from the example it didn't detect any music between 11:30pm and
| 9:30am. I don't know what corner of the mission that could
| possibly be.
| nemothekid wrote:
| > _from the example it didn 't detect any music between
| 11:30pm and 9:30am_
|
| I thought it might have died because the site mentioned it is
| solar powered.
| rconti wrote:
| Battery only got down to 70% overnight, from another thread
| here.
| asveikau wrote:
| The amount of gentrification in the Mission varies _a lot_
| based on where you go.
|
| I volunteer on 24th st. weekly, something I've been doing since
| 2019. The crowd at the volunteering is mostly immigrants. I am
| white, native English speaker but I speak decent Spanish.
|
| It's mind boggling to me sometimes how the two communities
| exist in nearly the same space but don't often overlap. I
| remember one time I went into a restaurant and they engaged
| with me in Spanish right off the bat, we never switched to
| English, I got a table to dine-in and they waited on me and it
| felt pretty much like dining at a restaurant like in travels
| I've had in central America... A few months later I brought a
| friend to the same place and I ended up getting a 100% gringo
| restaurant experience.
|
| Another place down the street and the cashier is like some very
| pale upper midwest looking hipstery guy who looks "whiter than
| me", and it felt like a totally different world, one that
| didn't overlap at all with description above.
| loxias wrote:
| Just offering another point of data, your observation of the
| "same space with no overlap" and the anecdote about the
| restaurant hits so true for me! Almost the exactly same thing
| happened to me, Spanish nearly the whole time. Later, with a
| coworker, 100% gringo experience. Hilarious! The alternation
| between places like this as you walk up 24th always struck me
| as notable.
|
| This couldn't have been later than 2011, at which time the
| zeitgeist was replete with jabs at the ongoing
| gentrification. :)
| bigiain wrote:
| Had to re read that last sentence several times, initially
| assuming you were talking about the biker/dive bar down on
| Valencia and Duboce.
| worstspotgain wrote:
| That's funny, I was heading uptown the other day, sipping
| on an elixir and thinking about shaving another kilowatt
| off my bill, when some casanova got out of a phone booth
| and asked me for directions to the daytona 500 club or
| some other make out room. I lolo'd out loud and docs
| clocked him in the teeth. Pretty sure he had to change
| his napper tandy after that.
| fragmede wrote:
| you really clinched the zeitgeist of the mission
| district, are you a professional writer, part time? I'm
| just grateful to be in your orbit. that kind of success
| will cost you a mint. I'd wake up in a fit of delerium.
| What's the ABV of that drink you just gave me? But okay,
| let's get down to brass tacks. it's last call, and I've
| got work to so I'm not going to go on a bender. I'm not a
| flying pig so let's just sit down where the willows and
| the sycamore trees meet and hideout there and wait for
| someone to give us last rites.
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _mind boggling to me sometimes how the two communities
| exist in nearly the same space but don 't often overlap_
|
| You may enjoy China Mieville's _The City & the City_ [1]. The
| less you read about it _ex ante_ , the better. It's one of
| those books that gives you a mental model and language that
| proves surprisingly useful in describing what you saw.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_%26_the_City
| pugworthy wrote:
| I'm not a Bay Area person, but was visiting a few months ago
| and got a new tattoo at Rose & Thorn right off the 16th BART
| station. Took a walk around waiting for the appointment and
| it's crazy how fast the vibe changes from block to block.
| tgtweak wrote:
| Can you add youtube music as a "listen to" link?
| TZubiri wrote:
| Good idea, not great execution.
| yoavm wrote:
| Why not? Seems to perfect execution to me. Solar powered, neat
| website, what else could you ask for?
| TZubiri wrote:
| Audio is noise, no songs.
| walz wrote:
| As far as I can tell, by boosting each recording and
| listening to the purported song in full, I _can_ eventually
| hear just a snippet of that song. Shazam 's algorithm is
| extremely good.
| 71bw wrote:
| You're not listening close enough. ;-)
| tmountain wrote:
| Cool idea, we need a way to stream the playlist!
| PcChip wrote:
| I think this is really cool, and am surprised by some of the
| negative comments here
| FrustratedMonky wrote:
| Now this is a unique idea.
|
| I'd like to see this rolled out widely so we can get some map of
| music.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| Alright, who wants to go wardriving around the mission with me,
| blasting Never Gonna Give You Up?
| banannaise wrote:
| I suppose this would be "Rickdriving"?
| indymike wrote:
| I think this is just literal rickrolling.
| Neff wrote:
| Rickrollin on dubs?
| worstspotgain wrote:
| They see rickrollin, they hatin, patrollin and tryin'a
| catch the Bop Spotter.
| zdw wrote:
| Ridin' Qwerty
| CalRobert wrote:
| White and Nerdy
| ryandrake wrote:
| You could probably locate the exact location of the microphone
| by driving around in a carefully planned pattern with unique,
| known songs playing.
| hadlock wrote:
| sounds like it's on a major bus line which narrows it down
| pretty substantially
| varenc wrote:
| From the tweet we also known that the phone is nearby some
| free public wifi which might help narrow it down too!
| rdiddly wrote:
| Stick to the streets that have bus lines!
|
| Edit: There's clearly a bus stop right near the pole.
| 867-5309 wrote:
| surely you meant Pretty Fly for a WiFi?
| eej71 wrote:
| I appreciate your username in this context.
| punnerud wrote:
| Different old songs (still on Shazam) in lat and long
| direction, if you find two of them you have the exact location.
|
| Could also place a directional speaker on top of your cars roof
| to not listen to it yourself or interrupt neighbors, just to be
| able to locate it.
| keerthiko wrote:
| I'd suggest playing darude - sandstorm on loop, fairly loudly
| but with a (cone) directional speaker pointing straight
| upwards, spiraling in towards mission & 20th st starting ~6
| blocks out in each direction. Record the time when you reach
| each intersection, and you'll know exactly which street
| segment you were on when your song got shazam'd, without
| having to actually ride on every segment (save roughly 50%
| travel time compared to doing the full grid).
| Intralexical wrote:
| Space-filling curve with a single song sequence? ... _Non-
| Euclidean_ space-filling curve, technically, because it has
| to fit the city grid topology.
|
| Large phased-array speaker on a stationary balloon platform
| above the city, capable of rapidly scanning and blasting
| every telephone pole in the neighborhood?
| tinco wrote:
| Someone out there asking google maps to plot them a Hilbert
| curve through San Francisco.
| btown wrote:
| Someone out there _with raw access to the underlying
| graph data for Google Maps_ plotting a Hilbert curve
| through San Francisco.
| foobarian wrote:
| Where exactly does music play in public this often? Maybe it's
| outside some kind of store?
| bambax wrote:
| I'm wondering the same thing... Music loud enough to be
| recorded by a "crappy Android phone" placed "on a pole"?
| ralusek wrote:
| Do you not live in SF or NY?
| teamspirit wrote:
| If you've never lived in a major urban area in the US, I
| imagine this might seem strange. People drive around with
| music playing loud enough that a crappy mic would easily pick
| it up.
| saagarjha wrote:
| It seems like someone found this because it showed up one or
| two songs ago.
| akanet wrote:
| It was me - I will say that wardriving rickroll would be
| complete overkill
| spiffotron wrote:
| Someone did it - October 1st 12:36AM
| fnands wrote:
| Living the meme
| sjburt wrote:
| https://x.com/fulligin/status/1841022534848036949/photo/1
|
| > As of 12:30am PST I have located the Box and successfully
| executed a Rickroll Injection Attack on the target system.
| Out of respect for the artist I will not be revealing the
| Box's location, but for any veteran Mission resident only a
| couple obvious locations exist.
| cmsefton wrote:
| Looks like someone's done it:
|
| 12:36 AM Flores LATIN MAFIA
|
| 12:36 AM Never Gonna Give You Up Rick Astley
|
| 12:32 AM El F Natanael Cano & Junior H
| guyzero wrote:
| https://x.com/fulligin/status/1841022534848036949
| rahimnathwani wrote:
| It will be good to see if it can run continuously with only solar
| power to replenish the battery.
|
| BTW I'm curious what the solar setup is?
| throwaway743 wrote:
| Some psycho is out there blaring Lou Bega mambo no 5... they must
| be stopped.
| IncreasePosts wrote:
| Sometimes you just need a little bit of Monica in your life.
| tronvivant wrote:
| Love that - thought about sharing your source for any of us
| interested in doing this in our city? Fund idea
| swah wrote:
| I bet the hardware will take a bit more - the script could be
| just something like https://github.com/loiccoyle/shazam-cli
| running every minute and, when there's a valid result, upload
| to your backend/Sheets API/Telegram bot etc
| tronvivant wrote:
| Thanks!
| doctorpangloss wrote:
| Can you do one that counts how many people go directly from
| drinking in front of Mr. Liquor and then into their cars or dirt
| bikes?
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| Pixelated cover art conversions are a nice touch. How?
| CritPassenger wrote:
| There are some picture to pixel libraries on GitHub, something
| like this would probably be able to produce the same effect:
| https://github.com/giventofly/pixelit
| binarysneaker wrote:
| Would be cool if this updated a playlist with everything heard,
| so we could follow along.
| bicx wrote:
| This kind of project has made me realize that somewhere along the
| way, I quit thinking of tech as a way to build anything fun. I
| need to rekindle that goofball spirit.
| breadsniffer01 wrote:
| Rekindle it! Intrinsic curiosity...
| Maxim2572 wrote:
| I read this post every few months to keep that spirit
|
| https://justforfunnoreally.dev/
| ukd1 wrote:
| 100% - after I left my last startup I was in that frame; I did
| recurse.com and it really helped rekindle that spirit.
| spmurrayzzz wrote:
| I've definitely noticed the same in my career. Its easy to get
| caught up in the day-to-day and forget some of the reasons you
| got started doing all this in the first place (in my case,
| because its fun and I'm passionate about software/hardware).
|
| On a whim, I decided to invest time in writing down one idea
| per week of anything fun I could hack on. It doesn't really
| matter whether or not I go through with it, I keep the stakes
| low: just write an idea down. That way it forces me to think
| about things I could build for myself or others/friends/family
| without much cognitive investment.
|
| The end result has not only had a nonzero impact on my
| motivation to start new projects, it has impacted my ability to
| actually follow through. And I've noticed the practice has made
| the ideation loop happen more frequently than once per week
| over time.
| GeoAtreides wrote:
| The embedded world awaits you:
|
| https://microengineer.eu/2018/05/01/diy-night-clock-projecto...
|
| Weather Station using LilyGo T-Display S3:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntDY9Mg7T0
|
| https://github.com/goat-hill/bitclock
|
| https://www.hackster.io/lmarzen/esp32-e-paper-weather-displa...
| uhtred wrote:
| But what stack will you use!
| debacle wrote:
| Get into solar! You can cobble things together pretty reliably
| to do fun things.
| abraae wrote:
| Just reorient your thinking to consider building CRUD web apps
| as fun.
| changexd wrote:
| I feel this so bad, I used to make little software that solves
| my problem, now whenever I want to build anything I think about
| "is it going to be useful for my resume?" instead of fun things
| and I always quit because it then put lots of pressure on me
| for building "useful but not fun" projects.
| rendaw wrote:
| How do you get the data out of the Shazam app (?)
| m000 wrote:
| If you link it to your Spotify, Shazam will add anything it
| recognizes in a special playlist.
| kevindamm wrote:
| I was going to complain that it had a non-duplicate
| constraint.. but then I realized you could remove from the
| other end and have a managed pubsub queue, nice.
| Aachen wrote:
| I was wondering the same. Also curious about those battery
| stats:
|
| > Battery currently at 80% (a decrease of 6% in the last 4
| hours).
|
| That's gotta be an OLED screen at lowest brightness or, even
| more likely, a fully black overlay app since the mic is
| constantly active and either locally processing it into Shazam
| and streaming fingerprints or (less cpu, more network)
| streaming it to a server which then does the processing and
| queries Shazam. As a comparison, my work phone is off+idle
| basically the whole time and takes twice as long to charge at a
| higher wattage as my personal phone (i.e.: large battery by my
| standards), and that uses nearly a percent per hour while the
| screen is off with maybe 20 messages and one email coming in
| across 4 hours.
|
| I'm amazed by the idea, that no rate limit has kicked in on
| Shazam, that they didn't connect it to a power source, and that
| the battery is lasting so long!
|
| Edit: missed that it is being powered by a solar panel
| 3np wrote:
| They might have a power bank as a buffer for the solar panel.
| Doesn't really go into detail.
| neuroelectron wrote:
| They likely removed the screen entirely
| Aachen wrote:
| I'd doubt it. Installing an app for a dark screen overlay
| is so much less work compared to disassembling it and then
| somehow getting it to boot again and being able to control
| it to trigger Shazam continuously
| tspike wrote:
| He commented elsewhere that he uses a Python library that wraps
| a private API
| breadsniffer01 wrote:
| Super sick!! Convert this to a live radio/realtime feed
| davidcollantes wrote:
| I played, more than once, a few of the sound snippets. I think
| the Shazam "findings" are highly inaccurate. Fun project
| nonetheless!
|
| walz, could you write more about the setup, maybe to propitiate
| others to replicate it in other cities?
| trainyperson wrote:
| Same, although I know Shazam does most of its work on very high
| frequencies so it's possible we're not able to hear the part
| that got matched.
|
| The "Not Like Us" snippet (09/29 2:43pm) is easily recognizable
| though. And "Rockabye" can be heard at 3:05pm.
| duskwuff wrote:
| > I know Shazam does most of its work on very high
| frequencies
|
| Are you sure about that? High frequencies don't propagate as
| well (and, beyond a point, aren't reproduced at all by cheap
| speakers), so that would seem to limit its effectiveness
| pretty severely.
| walz wrote:
| I've listened to a bunch of the snippets and you can usually
| just _barely_ hear the sound in the background. Which makes me
| think Shazam is very accurate. I really should read more about
| how Shazam 's algorithm works, because it feels like magic.
|
| The phone records 10 minute chunks of audio at a time, in
| airplane mode. Every 10 minutes, airplane mode is turned off
| and the audio is uploaded to a server. The server then splits
| the audio into 15 second overlapping chunks, and each is passed
| to Shazam's API (no official API, but someone reverse
| engineered it and made a great Python package). This setup is
| super power efficient! The phone dips down to a minimum 70%
| percent battery by the early morning.
| jldugger wrote:
| > I really should read more about how Shazam's algorithm
| works, because it feels like magic.
|
| https://www.ee.columbia.edu/~dpwe/papers/Wang03-shazam.pdf
| alwa wrote:
| Also, if you're more visual, algorithm inventor Avery Wang
| delivered an accessible and detailed lecture at DAFx
| several years back:
|
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YVTnj3OIhwI
|
| I found it especially insightful because he started from
| the beginning and traced the thought process as the
| algorithm developed and became more sophisticated.
| rconti wrote:
| will be interesting to see how it fares in the winter!
| throwup238 wrote:
| A San Francisco winter? The mean daily minimum is something
| like 45F, it's more likely to have trouble overheating
| during the summer.
| rconti wrote:
| Less daily solar radiation to power/recharge the phone.
| bigiain wrote:
| "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San
| Francisco." -- Mark Twain
|
| I suspect moisture damage from Karl The Fog rolling in
| every afternoon is more likely to kill it.
| callalex wrote:
| The battery will live much longer if you run it from 80% down
| to 50%. There are some clever plugs you can get off the shelf
| if your phone doesn't support setting this in software.
| bigiain wrote:
| I doubt the "design brief" for this involves ensuring it's
| got thousands or days worth of expected battery charging
| lifetime.
|
| There's already people here discussing the best way to
| locate it. Sooner or later someone's gonna find a "free
| phone" and trade it for a point of meth somewhere just off
| 16th and Mission...
| gffrd wrote:
| Holy cow.
|
| Just clicked around and you're right: the Sep 29 5:19pm
| snippet detected "Celebration" by Kool and the Gang, and
| there's almost nothing there. But it's in there.
|
| Had I not known what I was listening for, and been
| intentionally listening, there's zero chance I'd have picked
| up on it.
|
| It does feel like magic.
| jppope wrote:
| AWESOME project. thank you for the inspiration! and the hope!
| motohagiography wrote:
| Nice. there's a selection bias as the people who play music loud
| enough to be heard from their cars and several genres there just
| don't overlap at all.
|
| if we're acknowledging that the music played from cars is
| neighbourhood vibe, it raises the question of whether they are
| interfering with the neighbourhood as well.
| wozniacki wrote:
| I was waiting for someone to sneak in a anti-car angle into
| this and presto what have you ! Haha
| motohagiography wrote:
| subwoofers are an invasive tech and unchecked they can wreck
| neighbourhoods, this project could yield data on that imo.
| rconti wrote:
| Or blasted from a nearby apartment window, or cookout, or
| boombox on a bike, or bluetooth speaker carried by a walker,
| or....
| uptownfunk wrote:
| Fuck this is so cool love it
| ortusdux wrote:
| Google added this optional feature to pixel lock screens a few
| years back. You can 'heart' songs and it adds them you your
| playlist. It looks like my phone ID's about 300 songs a month!
|
| https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7535326?hl=en
| chronogram wrote:
| I loved that feature of my old Pixel. Even in the middle of
| Germany, with no cell reception whatsoever, I'd surprise people
| by looking at the always-on-display to see what song was
| playing somewhere.
| ortusdux wrote:
| Yeah it's pretty cool that it runs off-line. I wonder how
| large the local database is? They did add a second togglable
| option that lets you chose an online search if the song not
| recognized.
| stevage wrote:
| I'm surprised it still isn't built into Spotify. Hear a song,
| like a song.
| cynicalpeace wrote:
| Pretty sure Apple and Google already do this, just to all phones,
| in all homes, and not just for music, but your entire life! No
| consent needed. Have a nice day! :)
| azinman2 wrote:
| Comments like this worry me that HN is being dragged down with
| the wider culture wars and truthiness that's destroying all
| that we have. I would hope for better in this forum.
| neuroelectron wrote:
| Have you seen the latest YCombinator batch?
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| is this about the company that is banking on a war with
| China to secure their exit making cruise missiles for sea
| drones, or one of the other ones
| heraldgeezer wrote:
| How is he wrong though? "Bad vibes" all you want but there is
| a reason. The golden ages are over.
| azinman2 wrote:
| How is the OP right? Huge claims require huge evidence;
| this trope has been disproven over and over again. Security
| researchers look at exactly this kind of thing, and
| nevermind this community is full of the people who would
| actually build such a thing. A massive dragnet isn't
| actually as valuable as you think it would be.
| cynicalpeace wrote:
| It has not been disproven. A simple Google search "is my
| phone listening to me" provides a resounding yes.
|
| These things need to hear your prompt at the very least,
| which entails (in many cases, if not most) listening at
| all times.
|
| Security researchers DO look at this and they, along with
| everyone else, just shrug because you technically DID
| give consent when you accepted the thousand line policy
| you didn't read.
| azinman2 wrote:
| Hot word detection to activate an assistant occurs
| locally on your device for the purpose of activating said
| assistant. That is a far cry from "Pretty sure Apple and
| Google already do this, just to all phones, in all homes,
| and not just for music, but your entire life!" which
| suggests that both Apple and Google are deploying a
| dragnet uploading a 24/7 recording to their servers for
| nefarious purposes. That is just simply not true. That at
| minimum would leave a constant trail of bytes being sent
| over the network (which isn't the case), and would
| massively drain battery life. It's also highly illegal.
| cynicalpeace wrote:
| You and I can go back and forth on how the other is wrong
| by providing various internet links. I'll start:
|
| "Mobile devices, the researchers conclude, listen to
| conversations through microphones and create personalized
| ads based on what the person wants or has done." [1]
|
| "This passive listening ensures the virtual assistants
| are ready to help you with a task when needed. However,
| depending on the developer, voice tech apps may also use
| your conversation data to recommend ads and content. For
| instance, Google uses Assistant conversation data to
| personalize ad and content recommendations. Others, like
| Apple's Siri, claim not to use conversation data to build
| marketing profiles or curate ads." [2]
|
| But this exercise will actually produce less fruitful
| results because it's possible to prove anything via the
| online "research" nowadays. So let's try a different
| tack- thinking for ourselves.
|
| FAANG are extremely notorious brokers of data. Everything
| about you and your browsing behavior is collected. I hope
| we can agree on this. Then why on earth would your
| conclusion be "they don't broker or process our audio
| data"? You'll have to have something better than it would
| consume battery life or would leave an identifiable trail
| of bytes, both of which could be mitigated by some clever
| programming.
|
| Much better to have the hypothesis (hence "pretty sure")
| that they do, and then scrutinize. Until something
| definitive comes out that they absolutely do not, it's
| much more solid ground than a conclusion that you can
| simply trust these large corporations.
|
| [1] https://dobetter.esade.edu/en/phone-listening-
| personalized-a... [2] https://us.norton.com/blog/how-
| to/is-my-phone-listening-to-m....
| cynicalpeace wrote:
| Your response falls into DH0, DH1, and at best DH2 of Paul
| Graham's disagreement hierarchy:
| https://paulgraham.com/disagree.html
| Reubachi wrote:
| What has happened to HN commenting?
|
| Everyone is trying to make reddit hot take comments with a
| sneer as they type it out.
|
| Anyways. This is a cool website.
| cynicalpeace wrote:
| You dismiss my point by dismissing its tone, but you fail to
| address the actual substance, which is a failure to follow HN
| norms in itself.
|
| Agreed, it's a cool website. Very strange how it's seemingly
| novel, while this tech is actually already deployed to all
| our phones.
|
| Is that a better, more nuanced, less individualistic, and
| more conformist way of expressing my idea?
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| This comes up a lot, but the reality is that people are fairly
| predictable and Apple and Google don't need to literally listen
| (expensive) to make fairly accurate guesses about your
| behavior.
|
| All they need is enough metadata.
| ThrowawayTestr wrote:
| How did the author get Shazam to constantly sample songs?
| BobaFloutist wrote:
| What a cool project! What fun!
|
| I'm curious, is there a hardcoded delay, or does the delay
| reflect the amount of time it takes to process what's playing and
| update the website?
| layla5alive wrote:
| Probably a random delay to avoid being located
| heraldgeezer wrote:
| wow so much latino la el musica
| imchillyb wrote:
| How does this project not run afoul of federal and state
| wiretapping laws?
|
| > http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law
| edm0nd wrote:
| honestly, who gives a fuck if it does? its okay to break unjust
| or silly laws.
| 7e wrote:
| They're listening in a public place, where there is no
| expectation of privacy. Also, it's not clear it can hear any
| conversations, only music may be loud enough to teach it.
| Finally, it's not recording the sounds, only analyzing them.
| luminouslight wrote:
| I was on the ground in SF yesterday and this caught a pro-Trump
| car convoy blasting God Bless America yesterday so it definitely
| can work if cars are blasting music. Certainly an interesting
| project.
| mannanj wrote:
| nice would be to add mapping data, and correlate to other
| factors.
| GrumpyNl wrote:
| Great job, i hope the author passes by here, would like to know
| what brought him on the idea.
| chfritz wrote:
| Cool. And I noticed that a surprisingly high number of songs are
| in Spanish. So I'll venture to hypothesize that this project will
| identify a correlation between musical taste and preference for
| how _loud_ it is played, rather than accurately capturing the
| "musical taste of the neighborhood". Any thoughts on that? Have
| you tested how loud a song needs to be played in order to be
| picked up?
| aeturnum wrote:
| I don't know what a "surprisingly high" number is - but the
| mission is about 1/3 Spanish speaking as far as I can tell[1].
|
| [1] It's hard actually, but this language diversity
| data(https://www.sf.gov/data/san-francisco-language-diversity-
| dat...) says there are ~20k speakers and this district
| population breakdown (https://www.sfgov.org/ccsfgsa/current-
| san-francisco-supervis...) says there are ~67k residents
| mminer237 wrote:
| This is looking about 90% Spanish songs and 10% reggae-
| fusion.
| a_t48 wrote:
| I'm pretty amused at whoever decided to play KDA at 9:30
| last night though.
| rconti wrote:
| That's funny because I recognized Annika Wells and had to
| look up the song without knowing who K/DA was.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| 1/3 of a century of progress in animation technique and
| musical style?
|
| (1985) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96mZc82fYGc
|
| (2018) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOxkGD8qRB4
|
| [what if, instead of having eighteenth century style
| parliament buildings with a bunch of old guys sitting at
| desks and speaking from time to time, we had political
| factions settle their disputes in-game on a battle royale
| level?]
| tshaddox wrote:
| Spanish language pop music is also just extremely mainstream
| and popular in the United States, and has been for decades.
| travisjungroth wrote:
| Malmquist bias[0] for neighborhood music!
|
| It would be hard to find that correlation because you can't get
| a base rate. I don't think you can measure the distance, so you
| don't know if it's loud or close. Maybe there's no correlation
| independent of the music taste of the neighborhood.
|
| Lots of Spanish doesn't surprise me. It's a neighborhood that's
| still largely Mexican, and Latin Pop is really big in the US in
| general.
|
| [0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmquist_bias
| twic wrote:
| Malmsteen bias?
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| For those who think anything with more than 2 protons must
| necessarily be metal:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo3pfnldlD0
| dhosek wrote:
| I think there's definitely a bias towards songs that you're
| going to blast from your car with the windows down. As someone
| decades away from that stage of life, it would be unlikely that
| anything that I listen to would show up in the lists (and, in
| fact, skimming over a couple days' songs, there were only three
| songs I recognized, although a few more artists).
| ralusek wrote:
| I used to go build houses in Tijuana with a charity, and
| invariably, some neighbor would see us building, and come out
| with some speakers to absolutely blast mariachi. Always
| followed up by a wave or a thumbs up, implicit that an
| objective net improvement had just been deployed.
| Aeolun wrote:
| When coming from building with no music at all, I'm nearly
| forced to agree.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| The Mission has a lot of Latin American restaurants, bars and
| nightclubs that attract a Spanish-speaking clientele (or people
| who want to meet Spanish speakers) from outside the
| neighborhood. And the neighborhood itself is around a third
| Spanish-speaking.
| geor9e wrote:
| I hear a Muni bus stop nearby, and a lot of voices at 3AM, so I
| am guessing it's near bars, maybe Mission street. Maybe a pole
| near enough to an apartment fire escape to ziptie a solar panel.
| I wonder if the timestamps are accurate enough for me to ride my
| bike down mission blasting a song, and check strava for where I
| was at that timestamp, then spot the spotter. Just for fun of
| course, not to post or dox.
| twic wrote:
| Rather than relying on the bop spotter timestamp, you could
| play thirty-second snatches of different extremely obscure
| songs, on a schedule. When one of them turns up on the bop
| spotter, you know when you were passing it, to thirty seconds
| precision.
| baudpunk wrote:
| This is very funny
| robblbobbl wrote:
| Nice 2 know thx
| indigodaddy wrote:
| 2 Live crew @ 9:03A most likely because they were mentioned on
| NPR this morning
| RankingMember wrote:
| This is a fantastically fun little project
| byearthithatius wrote:
| Guess who is heading to the Mission today to play my fav songs!:D
|
| Love projects like this
| sgt wrote:
| How do people sleep with that noise? I see the noise and music is
| through the night.
| kiddico wrote:
| Nothing says good vibes like "Me So Horny" at 9:03AM lol
| llacb47 wrote:
| 2 live crew is a W
| saghm wrote:
| I notice that on September 28 (near the top of the list, since it
| doesn't seem to have anything for today yet) the same Pitbull
| song was detected separately a little less than an hour apart,
| and I can't help but wonder if it was the same person listening
| to it on loop. Several months ago, my fiancee and I overheard
| someone driving outside blasting Adele's "Someone Like You" from
| inside our apartment, and every 45 minutes or so we'd hear it
| again, so we couldn't help but assume it was the same person
| driving around the city with it on loop, probably going through
| some rough breakup or something.
| scottyah wrote:
| Or spotify jamming a song into everyone's algorithms, as a
| cynical take.
|
| I have never looked up and played Drake or Taylor Swift, but
| they come up in "curated" playlists thought-provokingly often.
| t-3 wrote:
| > I have never looked up and played Drake or Taylor Swift,
| but they come up in "curated" playlists thought-provokingly
| often.
|
| That's not necessarily due to payola or whatever - both Drake
| and Swift are very talented as well as prolific and among the
| best operating these days, even if they are pop artists. It's
| not strange to see them recommended algorithmically if the
| listener is into modern music at all.
| saghm wrote:
| I almost exclusively listen to music from before the 90s,
| and Spotify has never once tried to play me anything from
| either of those artists, so that seems like a more likely
| explanation to me.
| otteromkram wrote:
| > both Drake and Swift are very talented
|
| Weird way to say "nepo kids."
|
| There's 1,000,000+ Taylor Swifts and Drakes out there;
| connections and money are the true talent brokers.
| t-3 wrote:
| That's pretty unfair. Drake's writing abilities are
| questionable, but his ability as an performer is
| undeniable. Swift is well known for both writing and
| performing and her popularity speaks to her skill and
| many years of effort.
|
| Were they helped by having wealthy parents and breaking
| into the industry young? Certainly. Is that the whole
| story? Definitely not.
| qingcharles wrote:
| I've noticed a bunch of radio stations these days seem to be
| endless hour-long loops.
| strken wrote:
| I wonder what the chance of the birthday paradox affecting the
| music is. Given that y song will make up x% of plays, how
| likely is it that any song has two consecutive plays, or two
| plays within an hour?
| tartakovsky wrote:
| Huh? "Total Shazams ever detected: 240. That's an average of 240
| songs per day."
| pragma_x wrote:
| I love everything about this.
|
| There is this undercurrent to our technology landscape. A kind of
| subculture somewhere in the locus of the hackersphere where a
| kind of punk-rock ethos rules the roost. I can only describe it
| as a live exploration of concepts _through_ technology, where
| functional fixedness is a foreign concept, including in the
| shared experience of social construct; everything becomes parts
| to be remixed in a way. In this place people just do things that,
| by way of having fun, just becomes art. It's emergent gameplay
| just by following a solitary "rule of cool."
|
| I saw this page and was immediately transported back to the late
| 1990's and early 'aughts. The kind of "I glued these things
| together and just look" attitude that graced the pages of
| hackaday.com and slashdot.org. LED "throwies" come to mind.
|
| In this case we have a de-facto art installation. I imagine that
| this was probably put together with odds and ends, maybe
| installed illegally, and probably doesn't have longevity in mind
| for its construction. It lightheartedly challenges some
| conventions, challenges ideas about privacy, brushes up against
| copyright, and is entertaining to boot. Most importantly, how it
| was made is less interesting than what it _does_, and where it
| carries the conversation of the observer. Or maybe: that's the
| point.
| engineer_22 wrote:
| you must be an architect
| 867-5309 wrote:
| ..of poetry
| loughnane wrote:
| Well put. I agree 100%. Gives me hope in a way I can't quickly
| put to words.
| Retr0id wrote:
| Funnily enough I've also heard throwies cited as evidence of
| some kind of cultural decline - "not a real hack" etc.
| kurisufag wrote:
| as things become worse, standards lower
| andrepd wrote:
| Very well put.
|
| The Game Boy dot-matrix display is the icing on the cake!
| HenryBemis wrote:
| > ..a kind of punk-rock..
|
| And my mind flew to Mogwai's "Punk Rock"
| (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ5_0AMEDag)
| weakfish wrote:
| Covered incredibly by deafheaven (along side the track Cody)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GyIggA4b5w
| btbuildem wrote:
| > how it was made is less interesting than what it _does_
|
| That's the best part!
| jrks11o wrote:
| .
| beeburrt wrote:
| ..
| superjan wrote:
| I really love the LCD aesthetic of this site.
| dzink wrote:
| Fantastic idea! The detection doesn't seem very actuate through -
| most of it is noise with no actual music playing in the
| background. I don't know how the algorithm assumes it's a song.
| joshdavham wrote:
| Quick bit of feedback: Google translate thinks this page is in
| Spanish (I wonder why). It'd be nice to not see that "translate
| this page" pop up. Otherwise, cool project!
| gffrd wrote:
| > It'd be nice to not see that "translate this page" pop up
|
| Many of the songs detected are latin artists with like monikers
| and song names.
|
| Is there a way to suppress/prevent google from analyzing the
| contents of a page and determining such?
| walz wrote:
| I think I fixed this! nice catch
| joshdavham wrote:
| I just tried on my macbook (was on ipad before) and I'm still
| getting the translation popup :(
| maxglute wrote:
| The design inspiration site https://mschfplaysvenmo.com/ also
| looks pretty fun.
| eprparadox wrote:
| so so cool and the spirit of this project (which seems to speak
| to many other commenters too) really reminds me of this recent
| hackernews post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41395413
| 'The secret inside One Million Checkboxes'
|
| the creativity in endeavors like these really just elicits total
| joy. it's infectious!
| rocken7 wrote:
| somebody needs to do this at a couple of starbucks in key areas,
| record anon conversations and build a browsable map of topics
| gregw134 wrote:
| I can already see Matt Levine's column: if someone places
| secret recorders at Starbucks and leaks the transcript to the
| internet, is it insider trading?
| simonw wrote:
| Some details on how this works:
| https://twitter.com/rtwlz/status/1840821351055311245
| The phone has a Tasker script running on loop (even if
| the battery dies, it'll restart when it boots again)
| Script records 10 min of audio in airplane mode, then
| comes out of airplane mode and connects to nearby free
| WiFi. Then uploads the audio file to my server,
| which splits it into 15 sec chunks that slightly overlap.
| Passes each to Shazam's API (not public, but someone
| reverse engineered it and made a great Python package).
| Phone only uses 2% of power every hour when it's not
| charging!
| bilalq wrote:
| A bit disappointing that this sends audio recordings to a
| server. Even if it's not the intention, that leaves so much
| possibility for abuse.
|
| Why not use a Pixel phone with on-device song matching? It also
| keeps history on device. Getting that data out of the app might
| be a little tricky, but should be possible.
| tiagod wrote:
| Perfect is the enemy of good. I've found it's much better to
| get a project up and running as an "MVP" than to chase the
| perfect until the details suck all the fun out of it.
| bilalq wrote:
| I don't see what that has to do with what I said. Chasing
| an MVP doesn't have to involve disrespecting people's
| privacy and recording without consent.
|
| There are many worse violators than this, but it is what it
| is.
| jbullock35 wrote:
| It's a very public place in the United States. It's not
| clear that people should expect or be entitled to much
| privacy in these public places.
|
| We also know that, regardless of the degree of privacy to
| which people should be entitled, they're not legally
| entitled to much privacy in these places. Federal court
| rulings have been extremely clear on this point. In these
| places, we don't even have the right to not be
| photographed.
| waffleiron wrote:
| >they're not legally entitled to much privacy in these
| places.
|
| While I think this is a really cool project, I also agree
| with the privacy issues. CA is a two party consent state,
| and recording a conversation (which this is likely to do)
| like this is likely illegal. While a person might not
| have a expectation of privacy about someone just hearing
| the conversation, they are protected by law if they are
| recorded without their knowledge.
|
| NB: I am not a lawyer, and the above could very well be
| wrong.
|
| Edit: As I was informed below, I was wrong on the legal
| points.
| borski wrote:
| There is no right to privacy in a public space. It is not
| illegal to record an area where individuals would not
| have the expectation of privacy, even without their
| consent. Therefore, this is not illegal.
|
| If this were a restaurant, that would be a different
| story.
| waffleiron wrote:
| Yup you are totally right for CA:
|
| > Exceptions (one-party consent required): (1) where
| there is no expectation of privacy, (2) recording within
| government proceedings that are open to the public, (3)
| recording certain crimes or communications regarding such
| crimes (for the purpose of obtaining evidence), (4) a
| victim of domestic violence recording a communication
| made to him/her by the perpetrator (for the purpose of
| obtaining a restraining order or evidence that the
| perpetrator violated an existing restraining order), and
| (5) a peace officer recording a communication within a
| location in response to an emergency hostage situation.
|
| Source: https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-
| content/uploads/2018/02/RECORDING...
| HeatrayEnjoyer wrote:
| > There is no right to privacy in a public space.
|
| No _legally protected_ right. This doesn 't mean it is
| ethical, and given that it is a protected right in other
| jurisdictions shows it deserves more consideration and
| should not be hand waived away.
|
| If "it's legal" is the argument being used to defense a
| behavior, it's safe to assume it's not actually a good
| one.
| fkyoureadthedoc wrote:
| No, "it's legal" is the argument being used to defend the
| "it's illegal" and "you're not allowed to" argument. The
| argument to support the project is that it's cool af.
| borski wrote:
| It is legal. The claim was that it wasn't.
|
| I never argued it was ethical. I think it is, but that
| wasn't my argument.
| robocat wrote:
| This is just an artistic way of showing surveillance.
|
| Fixing this one installation wouldn't fix all the rest
| (example: Shot spotter)
| tempfile wrote:
| It is good to care about this sort of thing, but this is
| untargeted recording in public. It is not very different
| to the fact that if I was recording a home movie in
| public I may incidentally record someone's conversation.
|
| The real harm would occur if the conversations were being
| stored and analysed systematically, for example by
| police. But the OP is not doing that (they claim).
| HeatrayEnjoyer wrote:
| This attitude is one of the worst, most harmful things to
| come out of Silicon Valley tech culture.
| fkyoureadthedoc wrote:
| I sincerely doubt that. Should you blindly apply it to
| everything? Of course not, nuance exists.
|
| Apply it OP's project. The project is super cool,
| popular, and most of all it's done and it exists. The
| worst thing you can say about it is that it's not perfect
| and failed one weird purity test. Oh no, public audio
| gets sent to a server!
| franga2000 wrote:
| I don't get what you mean by "possibility for abuse". The
| author abusing it? Well if they wanted to do that they
| wouldn't have built the whole music detection thing and wrote
| about it on the internet. If Shazam gets breached or turns
| evil, we have infinitely bigger problems than this one phone
| on this one street. If the author's server gets hacked, the
| hacker wouldn't care about this - the hackers who want large
| surveillance networks hack phones and IoT crap, not random
| people's home servers.
|
| And honestly, as a commentary on how commonplace and normal
| mass surveillance has become, which this project seems to be,
| I quite like the threat of "there is a box out there
| somewhere that sends everything it hears to a server and it
| does this not for good or evil, but because one programmer
| was bored and thought what if I could know what song was
| playing in the cafe across the street".
| andai wrote:
| That's so cool, I gotta check out this Tasker thing!
|
| >when it boots again
|
| Do any Android phones turn on automatically when sufficiently
| charged? The ones I've had stay switched off but with a little
| battery charging animation. (I think my old iPhone auto powered
| on when charged past a certain percentage though.)
| walz wrote:
| I used an old Motorola phone for this, and yes, if it dies it
| won't turn back on again until the power button is pressed. I
| Googled around and there's a way to disable this behavior
| though, through an ADB command. The bad part is that it
| supposedly might get stuck in a boot loop - it tries to boot
| but there's not enough battery yet, so it dies and keeps
| trying to boot. Over and over.
|
| I made a second Tasker automation, so it shuts down with less
| than 15 percent battery. It might still get stuck in a boot
| loop, but eventually the solar panel will quickly charge it
| above 15% so that it won't be for very long.
| franga2000 wrote:
| Most android phones have a feature that lets you set a time
| at which the phone should turn itself on at a certain time.
| I used this as a last resort in a project with similar
| requirements, but I don't remember if we ever ended up
| testing if it worked after fully draining the battery.
| WithinReason wrote:
| You can virtually power down a phone in Tasker without
| turning it off by shutting down all antennas and
| downclocking the CPU and GPU, disabling background tasks
| etc.
| andai wrote:
| Interesting. The "power on when charging" thing appears to
| be a flag you can set, but not all brands support it.
| myself248 wrote:
| When the phone is "off" but showing the charging animation,
| it's actually booted and the animation is a program it's
| running. There used to be a hack, I don't know if it works on
| modern Android, where you'd essentially edit the init scripts
| and tell it that the charging animation task should be the
| rest of the boot process, or your specific app of interest.
| andai wrote:
| That's interesting. But the charging animation appears near
| instantly, while my phone takes a minute or two to start?
| oorza wrote:
| If 2% of the battery is 2% of 3000mAh (which is probably a
| generous over-estimate of the phone's capacity), that means the
| phone pulls ~60mA.
|
| You can buy a 60,000 mAh battery (or build one) for about $50,
| which would buy this device 10,000 hours, or round it down and
| call it 1 year.
| walz wrote:
| 60,000 divided by 60 is 1000, not 10,000. So only about a
| month, still a lot of time!
|
| The phone has 4,000mAh, too.
| xk3 wrote:
| It uses solar power, right? So I think it was built with that
| in mind. charge during the day and run until it loses power
| at night
| authorfly wrote:
| How big are 60k mAh safe batteries?
|
| I know eBikes are a massive step up from laptop batteries
| (seemingly better for the density too somehow?)
| kotaKat wrote:
| https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZJDVDLC
|
| This little no-name 185Wh battery pack is $40 right now with
| the 50% coupon code and would probably work great. (I picked
| one up recently for another project and it actually does
| deliver as advertised performance.)
| repeekad wrote:
| surely shazam will realize when one IP address is responsible
| for 1000x a usual person's bandwidth?
|
| or, given Pixel phones can identify audio in the background
| seemingly without impacting battery, are modern algorithms for
| identifying music from audio so efficient that shazam pays
| almost nothing per clip?
| rafram wrote:
| Yes, it essentially just runs a perceptual hash algorithm on
| the audio and finds the closest matches in a database.
| btown wrote:
| Since the audio is sent to the creator's server first, they
| could call Shazam from any number of rotating IPs. It's a
| pretty future-proof design!
| PhiSchle wrote:
| At least with the recent Pixels there's an option to have
| your phone listen 24/7 and tell you what music is playing.
| Probably difficult to distinguish this tower from a homeless
| guy sitting in a subway station listening to different music
| all day.
| tialaramex wrote:
| That app ("Now playing") is the same technology as Shazam
| but it's local, because this isn't actually difficult on
| modern hardware. It's the same technique the Pixel uses to
| notice that somebody said "Google" to it, again without
| needing a remote server.
|
| Now Playing has a smaller database than Shazam does but the
| technology would work fine with a larger database if you
| wanted that, which for this application you might.
|
| However, unsurprisingly Google did not give away the
| technology.
| williamabboud wrote:
| This is so freaking cool!! What a great idea and beautiful
| execution.
| disambiguation wrote:
| The next step is to place a few of these around, so you can map
| out which way which vibes are going.
| jperoutek wrote:
| I love the styling of this page. Everything is so consistent.
| Sometimes you'll see someone with a similar retro approach, but
| rarely do all the page elements follow the style this well.
| squeegmeister wrote:
| Awesome project.
|
| I'm mildly annoyed at battery bars not completely filling the
| battery at 100%
| the_arun wrote:
| Does Spotify/Apple has a page like this to show the trends on a
| Map? That would be cool. I guess they have all the data to do it.
| It will be interesting to follow the trends - live.
| twilo wrote:
| Brilliant now we need an automated daily playlist based on all
| that
| shpx wrote:
| Setting up a hidden microphone that is constantly streaming to a
| server that is recording it forever should be illegal, if it
| isn't already.
| buzzert wrote:
| Start by frying ShotSpotter instead of this fun little project.
| erickhill wrote:
| Amazing concept. I also really love the almost Apple Newton/Palm
| Pilot vibes of the UI, too.
| smoyer wrote:
| You sir are simply awesome!
| pryelluw wrote:
| Fuck I love the design of this page. Kudos to the web dev who
| built it.
| lethal-radio wrote:
| This is amazing. I really wish there was an Apple Music playlist
| that was live-updated I could follow.
|
| Cheers
| nullhole wrote:
| heh, someone's music program didn't get the right track on the
| first search:
|
| 2:05 AM - DM - Yailin la Mas Viral
|
| 2:03 AM - Nota - Yailin la Mas Viral
| mathiasrw wrote:
| I LOVE IT!
|
| I would love to see a "Playlist per day" so you can listen to the
| vibe of the city on a particular day and not just one song at a
| time.
|
| And really nice working making a visual attitude that burns into
| you memory...
| whatnotests2 wrote:
| As a resident of the Mission, I approve of this.
| mulnz wrote:
| I don't believe it. Extreme doubt this isn't some dude pickin
| tunes.
| ta93754829 wrote:
| damn this is old internet. love it!
| fitsumbelay wrote:
| this rocks so hard
| seizethecheese wrote:
| Next step: make a radio station
| keepamovin wrote:
| This is such a cool vibe, thank you so much for this. We need
| more of this around the world - a franchise effort! :)
| segmondy wrote:
| Hacking is not dead, love it Walz.
| bartread wrote:
| This has cool and has made a grim, grey Tuesday morning feel a
| lot more fun. I would love to hook it up to a Spotify/Amazon
| Music/Apple Music playlist generator.
| Intralexical wrote:
| I love this idea, and I also love the way the website presents
| it.
|
| Short blurb. Says what it is, how it's built. Then compares it to
| something you might already know about, to explain what it does.
| Lastly says why it matters, why it's cool, right before directly
| showing you the results in real-time.
|
| Very nice. Very cool project. And I honestly find it impressive
| too how effectively and naturally it gets the point across.
| laserbeam wrote:
| Love this!
|
| It feels like the album art could make use of some cool dithering
| algorithm instead of a simple black/white filter. Something in
| the style of Return of the Obra Dinn.
| halgir wrote:
| I hate that my first thought was "why isn't the apple music
| button monetized with their affiliate tag". Thanks for doing
| something cool for cool's sake.
| alex-moon wrote:
| Someone has rickrolled the bop spotter!
| ah27182 wrote:
| Love the setup. I'm sure one can make this using Apple shortcuts
| too since there's a Shazam api offered in it.
| sebstefan wrote:
| I think somebody spotted your microphone.
|
| https://i.horizon.pics/sBdj67jsX7
| andsens wrote:
| Agree with all the positive takes in here. Just wanted to add
| that the graphic design is _chef 's kiss_. Especially the image
| transformation of the album art! Some of them are hard to parse
| and it almost becomes a game, and then there are others where
| it's clear as day that e.g. the band is posing for a picture.
| Also just recognizing covers that you _know_ is fun.
| kitd wrote:
| TIL about Shot Spotter
| boringg wrote:
| Oh yeah its been around for a long time.
| emsixteen wrote:
| Love it! A piece of the sort of Internet that's largely gone
| missing. If anything I wish it could automatically add to <insert
| platform> playlists.
| Yawrehto wrote:
| For what it's worth, this is on page 6 for all-time HN
| everything, so congrats, Walz. Also, I'm curious how this would
| be different in other cities. What are the most commonly played
| songs? How does this differ from the typical lists (Billboard,
| for instance)? There's so much data here!
| boringg wrote:
| Appreciate the website style. Reminds me of C&C for some reason
| or one of the OG RTS games - can't remember which one.
| jbl0ndie wrote:
| Glorious. Excellent work @walz. Reminds me of the work of the
| artists in the now very sadly defunct https://fffff.at/
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