[HN Gopher] Do All Problems Have Technical Fixes?
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       Do All Problems Have Technical Fixes?
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 79 points
       Date   : 2024-09-26 22:24 UTC (5 days ago)
        
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       | airstrike wrote:
       | To quote Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 3, Line 87: "No."
        
         | Phrodo_00 wrote:
         | Betteridge's law of headlines strikes again!
        
         | lccerina wrote:
         | This!
        
       | Juliate wrote:
       | Sometimes what is needed is not to solve or explain, but to
       | acknowledge a problem. To name it. And to have the restraint and
       | patience and trust that its understanding, alone, will take care
       | of most of it.
        
       | xyzzy123 wrote:
       | I feel like the framing in the article is wrong. Tech startups
       | are desperately searching for solutions that will generate value.
       | 
       | When a "new hammer" is developed or discovered (lets say,
       | radiation) there's a natural inflection point. People will try
       | marketing radioactive medicines, radioactive soft drinks,
       | radioactive toys, radioactive jewelry.... etc etc. Everything
       | will be thrown at the wall to see what sticks. There's no broader
       | intellectual movement in play.
       | 
       | This process is more like "product darwinism" than technological
       | determinism.
        
         | thaumasiotes wrote:
         | > When a "new hammer" is developed or discovered (lets say,
         | radiation) there's a natural inflection point. People will try
         | marketing radioactive medicines, radioactive soft drinks,
         | radioactive toys, radioactive jewelry.... etc etc.
         | 
         | Have you read anything from the early 20th century? This is a
         | noticeable theme in e.g. stories set in the mythos of Conan the
         | Barbarian or the Wizard of Oz. "Radium" is treated as
         | essentially a form of magic.
        
           | SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
           | I don't think "read Conan the Barbarian" is the main takeaway
           | of that, though I'm sure "rays" was a trope in fiction.
           | 
           | Quack "radioactive medicines" actually happened to people.
           | Product darwinism and actual customer darwinism.
           | 
           | See, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_quackery
           | 
           | https://www.orau.org/health-physics-
           | museum/collection/radioa...
           | 
           | https://histmed.collegeofphysicians.org/for-students/radium/
           | 
           | https://www.dannydutch.com/post/the-strange-story-of-eben-
           | by...
           | 
           | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-lethal-legacy-
           | of-e...
        
             | thaumasiotes wrote:
             | > though I'm sure "rays" was a trope in fiction
             | 
             | No, seriously, "radium".
        
           | lukan wrote:
           | And before that, it was "magnetism".
        
             | feoren wrote:
             | And today it's quantum mechanics and/or dark matter.
        
         | consf wrote:
         | Tech startups are finding what actually works in the market
        
         | croes wrote:
         | You mean
         | 
         | Tech startups are desperately searching for buzz words that
         | will generate profit.
        
           | SideburnsOfDoom wrote:
           | Tech startups are desperately searching for buzz words that
           | will generate a VC payday. Actual profit is optional.
        
             | steveBK123 wrote:
             | Exactly - buzzwords are new opportunities for fundraising
             | first and foremost.
             | 
             | Actual products which provide actual solutions to actual
             | customers.. are for the product market fit phase.
        
           | dredmorbius wrote:
           | s/profit/increase in valuation/
           | 
           | For most of the startup ecosystem, profits are less a goal
           | than liquidity event. Often that comes in the form of an
           | acqui-hire, monopoly buying out competition, or a technology
           | transfer.
           | 
           | Profits are a distant focus, though remaining ahead of run
           | rate has merits.
        
           | bryanrasmussen wrote:
           | this makes sense if tech startups just existed, but they are
           | brought into existence, by people who perhaps think "you know
           | what would be neat, and also make money because people would
           | totally want that, is radioactive soda pop!"
           | 
           | I guess in the end the effect is pretty much
           | indistinguishable.
        
         | saturn8601 wrote:
         | That sounds like the what I am seeing in the consumer packaged
         | goods industry. In desperation of growth they are throwing
         | everything at the wall.
         | 
         | ex: that 'flamin hot' thing took off and post pandemic they put
         | it in everything including soda and ice cream. Lets not forget
         | every merchandising opportunity under the sun.
        
           | fuzzfactor wrote:
           | There's only so many people who can figure out what will
           | really sell, or be able to really sell it.
           | 
           | And way more people who wish they could do the former, but
           | know in their heart they never will, while having a leg up in
           | the latter, often built from a fortunate upwardly-mobile
           | sales career where their customers never did get their
           | money's worth.
           | 
           | You know the kind I'm talking about.
           | 
           | Which can guide their actions toward a slightly deceptive
           | form of marketing, or things even more unsavory.
           | 
           | OTOH, sometimes quite benign, but also less creative.
           | 
           | And it shows.
           | 
           | Otherwise you wouldn't know the kind I'm talking about :\
        
         | nitwit005 wrote:
         | Funding, both from governments and investors, also tends to
         | chase after trends, so people's proposals will reflect that.
         | 
         | I wish there was some deeper thought or philosophy behind it,
         | but that clearly isn't always the case.
        
       | __MatrixMan__ wrote:
       | It sort of bugs me when people who claim that a problem cannot be
       | solved with technology act like that problem was caused by
       | technology. You get both or neither, you can't have just one.
        
         | asmor wrote:
         | Of course you can. Technology can irreversibly change
         | societies.
         | 
         | Do you have a technical solution to the potential for mutually
         | assured destruction through nuclear weapons?
        
           | jjk166 wrote:
           | Mutually assured destruction is a technical solution - when
           | it is suicidal for either side to attack each other (because
           | of a large and robust nuclear arsenal), both can be confident
           | the other won't attack.
           | 
           | There are potentially other technical solutions. Anti-
           | ballistic missile systems could make nuclear strikes non
           | viable, as could more advanced defenses. One could imagine
           | weapons designed to remotely pre-detonate nuclear weapons
           | making them more dangerous to possess than to use. You could
           | by subterfuge render your adversary's nuclear capabilities
           | inoperable. You could find technical solutions to the issues
           | that make the countries adversaries in the first place, for
           | example eliminating dependence on a resource you compete
           | over. You could spread propaganda to install a friendly
           | government.
           | 
           | There could be and almost certainly are even better technical
           | solutions that I don't know, and perhaps no one currently
           | knows. Every problem ever solved was at some point unsolved.
        
             | asmor wrote:
             | You are misunderstanding me bringing up mutually assured
             | destruction. Sure, it prevents preemptive strikes, but it
             | doesn't prevent accidental launches, broken early warning
             | systems and bad communication.
             | 
             | Do you think the fact that we haven't done any of these
             | other measures to a degree that the danger is no longer
             | substantial in 70 or so years is a matter of technology or
             | priority? If it's priority, how do we prioritize? Is that,
             | perhaps, a non-technical problem? If it's a tech
             | advancement problem, how do not constantly have a rolling
             | window of uncontrolled potentially civilization-ending
             | technology?
        
           | __MatrixMan__ wrote:
           | Things like stuxnet.
        
         | Terr_ wrote:
         | I'm with you in the first sentence, but the second doesn't make
         | sense to me.
         | 
         | All 4 combinations of (not-)solved-by-tech and (not-)caused-by-
         | tech are possible.
        
           | tomjen3 wrote:
           | Can you give a concrete example of caused by technology, but
           | not solvable (in principle if that was what you meant) by
           | technology? I am having trouble coming up with one.
        
             | __MatrixMan__ wrote:
             | Seems to me like the initial causing of the problem would
             | have to be a one-time self-destructive event. Like maybe we
             | blow up the moon or something and then don't survive the
             | aftermath. We can't use tech to solve the problem if the
             | problem is that we're extinct.
             | 
             | I think that's pretty far out from the sort of thing that
             | people are thinking of when they talk about things you can
             | and can't do with technology, so I think it's more sensible
             | to just say that the category is empty.
        
             | Terr_ wrote:
             | > a concrete example of caused by technology, but not
             | solvable
             | 
             | Consider any kind of unrest caused by the automation of
             | tasks that formerly required a professional human, such as
             | how the industrial revolution affected textile-
             | manufacturing and the Luddite reaction. The new technology
             | is a major and necessary cause of the situation, yet even
             | with 200 years of hindsight it's hard to imagine any new
             | followup invention that would promptly solve it.
             | 
             | Another category would be ecological or pollution issues,
             | which in many cases involve social and legal solutions. For
             | example, the new chemical technology of leaded gasoline. We
             | didn't solve by inventing a De-Leadifier Device, or even
             | the Cheaper New Formula, but because it became (mostly)
             | banned.
             | 
             | It probably goes without saying, but for "solvable with
             | technology" I am not including things like inventing a
             | time-machine to go back and make it never-have-happened, or
             | the idea that it'll be solved _eventually_ when the
             | Ascension Device elevates our descendants beyond such
             | mortal concerns, etc.
        
       | Terr_ wrote:
       | I suspect there's a correlation between how likely someone is to
       | answer "yes" and how recently they entered the software
       | engineering workforce. At any rate, it's definitely changed for
       | me since starting out.
        
       | msla wrote:
       | If nothing else, getting people to accept a technical fix is a
       | social problem.
       | 
       | On the other hand, yes, some social problems have had technical
       | solutions. Remember when "You just can't get good help these
       | days!" was a truism? It isn't said as much anymore because the
       | underlying problem was obviated: Time was, middle-class
       | households were becoming unmanageable due to young women no
       | longer wanting to be servants, such as maids; not even the Great
       | Depression could shift the problem. Ultimately, the whole thing
       | was rendered obsolete by the rise of home conveniences such as
       | dishwashers and vacuum cleaners, allowing middle-class women to
       | do their own housework.
       | 
       | Those technical solutions still required a social shift away from
       | _expecting_ maids to be part of any well-run middle-class
       | household, but the technical and the social went hand-in-hand.
       | 
       | https://daily.jstor.org/how-america-tried-and-failed-to-solv...
       | 
       | Side note:
       | 
       | > the Naturalisitic Fallacy that "ought" can be derived from
       | "is."
       | 
       | What's the name for the fallacy that "is" can be derived from
       | "ought"?
        
         | thaumasiotes wrote:
         | "Wishful thinking".
         | 
         | Maybe Panglossianism.
        
         | Peritract wrote:
         | > What's the name for the fallacy that "is" can be derived from
         | "ought"?
         | 
         | Any deliberate action makes clear that this is only sometimes a
         | fallacy.
        
       | kindkang2024 wrote:
       | The answer is definitely NO. Technology is always neutral, It has
       | no notion of good and evil. It will never has the ability to fix
       | the problem orchestrated by evil.
       | 
       | Worldcoin's WorldID could be one of the examples,detail below.
       | 
       | Without True Authority, WorldID or anything technical achievement
       | Could Become a Hoax: Concerns Amplified by Worldcoin Ban on X
       | 
       | Link here: https://kindkang.medium.com/without-true-authority-
       | worldid-c...
        
         | kindkang2024 wrote:
         | Without True Authority and beliefs in Love, any technical
         | achievements is just make us easy to destroy ourselves. Think
         | nuclear bombs and ww3. Do we still want achieve more advanced
         | science advances and use it build more powerful weapons to kill
         | the "aliens"that Our Will feels.
        
         | tomjen3 wrote:
         | Precision guided bombs would have made short work of the
         | nazies, so that's one quick counter to your argument.
        
           | rbanffy wrote:
           | In their hands they'd have been equally effective for a
           | completely opposite objective.
           | 
           | All vectors add up to zero.
        
       | its_bbq wrote:
       | And the not asked often enough corollary: just because there
       | exists a technical solution to a problem, does that mean it's the
       | right solution?
        
         | pfdietz wrote:
         | I often see objections to technical solutions because they have
         | the gall to actually solve a problem, but do so in a way that
         | the objector doesn't want. If a problem is seen as a way to
         | force a particular solution someone wants for other reasons,
         | alternative solutions are threats.
        
       | jillesvangurp wrote:
       | A lot of problems do. But sometimes the problem is people
       | related. You can work around those problems with technology but
       | you can't fix them.
       | 
       | In terms of real world problems: climate change, food scarcity,
       | poverty, water quality and access, health care, etc. a lot of the
       | solutions are technical. And a lot of those solutions are
       | directly or indirectly about making energy cheaper and cleaner.
       | With cheap clean energy, you can address climate change. You can
       | desalinate water (at scale). If you have clean water, you can
       | address food scarcity (e.g. irrigate desserts). You can also
       | address sanitation. Cheap energy also enables transport, having
       | light in people's home (education). so that addresses poverty.
       | And so on. All that comes from just a handful of technical
       | solutions that make energy cheap and clean. Anyone working on
       | those things is accomplishing more than decades worth of well
       | intentioned but not very effective activism, charity, diplomacy,
       | etc. I'm sure AI has a role to play here as well.
       | 
       | The point is moot anyway. We're not going to turn into Luddites
       | and competition continuously drives us to do better. Which means
       | people keep on figuring out technical solutions to challenges
       | around them. Technology isn't inherently good or evil. But it can
       | be very effective sometimes. And of course there is a lot of not
       | so effective or misguided stuff as well. Part of the journey.
        
         | psychoslave wrote:
         | > A lot of problems do. But sometimes the problem is people
         | related. You can work around those problems with technology but
         | you can't fix them.
         | 
         | It depends a lot on what is encompassed in the considered
         | definition of technology. Education and language can certainly
         | be taken as technologies, under certain perspectives at least.
         | And addressing individual behaviors with undesirable social
         | consequences is something that definitely can be solved with
         | appropriate educational "technologies".
         | 
         | In my current perspective, the most weighted factor between a
         | technology and an innate individual trait is how transferable
         | it is.
         | 
         | >We're not going to turn into Luddites and competition
         | continuously drives us to do better.
         | 
         | It all depends on which values we endorse and thus how we deem
         | something "better". On global scale, there was probably never
         | so much passive aggressive competition within humankind (we
         | also never been so numerous to be fair), and its results on
         | global biosphere are to say the least completely disastrous.
         | 
         | >But it can be very effective sometimes.
         | 
         | Sure but working on improving effectiveness means nothing. If
         | we try to enhance efficiency of gaz chambers, we are clearly
         | bringing only more evil to the world. Efficacy is meaningless
         | without a kind and generous purpose.
         | 
         | I could almost say "science sans conscience n'est que ruine de
         | l'ame", but Rabelais actually wasn't willing to say what it is
         | generally thought it means nowadays.
         | https://theconversation.com/science-sans-conscience-nest-que...
        
         | kindkang2024 wrote:
         | I agree with you.
         | 
         | Before we are so eager to solve the problems, we better
         | pinpoint how the problems were introduced and exacerbated. In
         | the US, there are conflicts between illegal immigration and
         | local communities, or conflicts between BLM and ALM. Especially
         | the latter one, which I as an ordinary non-American cannot
         | understand why ALM was abandoned like SHIT in the end. I do not
         | know that initially aimed to advocate for peace. Quite funny we
         | have to choose sides: IsraeliLivesMatter vs
         | PalestinianLivesMatter or RussianLivesMatter vs
         | UkrainianLivesMatter. In the end, I decided to forget about the
         | controversy. And decide to fight back against those who argue
         | against "all lives matter" just because of a few bad apples.
         | And maybe this is also the reason AllLivesMatterWorld was
         | abandoned like SHIT: just because of a few bad apples, we are
         | abandoning all apples.
         | 
         | I do not want everyone to upload the truth that all lives
         | should matter, but I can make everyone see the truth here: all
         | lives indeed matter whether you argue against it or not.
         | 
         | I hope by advocating kindness first, fairness always, and DUKI
         | in action help dissolving the original sin that we all have, we
         | can solve all the problems that technology and science alone
         | cannot solve. DUKI is not dookie as you think. More on
         | Www.AllLivesMatter.World
        
           | immibis wrote:
           | The phrase "all lives matter" was introduced specifically to
           | counteract and silence "black lives matter". It does not
           | literally mean that all lives matter - it means that black
           | people need to shut up and take what they're given.
           | 
           | Much like "one people, one nation, one leader" does not
           | advocate for unity but is, in fact, something Adolf Hitler
           | frequently said.
        
             | kindkang2024 wrote:
             | I understand that there were many cases where people said
             | "all lives matter" with the purpose of trying to silence
             | BLM voices, and I judge that as an evil will and condemn
             | it. My point is that at least some people who say "all
             | lives matter" don't have that kind of evil intent. To
             | condemn all uses of "all lives matter" is also an evil
             | here.
             | 
             | Reasoning symbolically, I do not see the conflicts here.
             | All lives can't matter unless Black Lives Matter, can they?
             | But We all should not focus on the symbols only; it's the
             | will behind the symbol that matters most. We all should
             | condemn the evil will behind all these symbols usage, not
             | the original usage of these symbols.
             | 
             | The same applies to the advocacy AllLivesMatterWorld here,
             | calling for peace, advocating kindness first, and fairness
             | always and envisioned DUKI in action to build the world on
             | blockchain, which should be totally decentralized, I only
             | feel goodness and don't see evil there. Enlighten me if you
             | find there is evil in it.
             | 
             | Believe it or not, actually the AllLivesMatterWorld calling
             | for peace was partly inspired by BLM and trying to join the
             | voices there, and I have a thanks letter for that. But
             | considering that harsh reality, I sincerely hope that we
             | all should feel the will behind the advocacy to make a
             | righteous judgment, not just associate it with some evil
             | usages of symbols and believe we got it right. Because all
             | symbols can be used by evil hidden in it, not just All
             | Lives Matter but also Black Lives Matter.
        
               | immibis wrote:
               | If one hears another say "Heil Hitler" rarely do they
               | stop to ask whether maybe it was about a different
               | Hitler.
        
           | bsenftner wrote:
           | The All Live Matter "movement" is constructed, engineered and
           | financed by big money white supremacy as a mechanism to shut
           | down all discussions other than theirs.
        
             | kindkang2024 wrote:
             | Thank God.I luckily labeled the advocacy using 4 words
             | instead of 3, "AllLivesMatterWorld" advocating for Peace
             | worldwide.
        
         | troaway56362 wrote:
         | Food scarcity, poverty, clean water, basic health care. These
         | are IMO excellent examples of people problems, not tech
         | problems.
         | 
         | If it were tech problems we wouldn't be drinking clean water,
         | driving Teslas and eating fancy food now would we? These are
         | more or less solved issues. Now what we have _not_ solved is
         | how to share our toys.
         | 
         | Of course, tech _could_ help to lower barrier(s), making access
         | so cheap even "they" can have it, but the fundamental problem
         | here is: why do "we" have "it" and "they" do not?
         | 
         | These are deeply political problems with exceedingly thin ties
         | to technology. I feel focusing on tech distracts from the true
         | issues which are again political and cultural, related to, say,
         | the economy and its underlying philosophy itself, education,
         | geography, history, etc. I don't know where exactly tech ends
         | up on this list of major factors, but it's not on the first few
         | pages.
         | 
         | Interestingly I think it is the diplomacy and activism that
         | enabled the resources to open up and drives activity in tech
         | that then eventually winds up where it needs to.
        
           | sameoldtune wrote:
           | It's the trickle down theory all over again. If our toys are
           | /extremely/ nice then surely global poverty will be
           | relieved!?
        
             | msandford wrote:
             | Well I mean folks in the developing world now have mobile
             | phones which is really changing the way things work. It
             | doesn't immediately install a new government and raise
             | everyone instantly out of poverty but it's likely a big
             | improvement to quality of life.
             | 
             | I'm sure it's not all upside either. But I suspect that
             | this is one case if trickle down actually working.
        
               | saturn8601 wrote:
               | And eventually the Chinese will sell every person in the
               | third world a dirt cheap electric mini car. Sounds like
               | in some areas the technology solution is changing lives
               | and improving the situation despite poor governance.
        
         | chomskyole wrote:
         | I'm a little stunned that these problems can be framed as
         | technical...
         | 
         | How cheap would energy need to be for those problems to be
         | solved? Can you provide a ballpark dollar figure for how low
         | prices would need to go to solve each of the problems? Or a
         | wild guess?
         | 
         | Also, if energy production is getting cheaper, but energy
         | production is only provided by a few entities (e.g. for reasons
         | like production being capital intensive, strategically
         | relevant, or first movers advantage / natural monopolies) would
         | you believe that energy prices go down to that level if
         | production costs fall low enough?
        
           | tomjen3 wrote:
           | I am not op, but food is essentially solved, as is most of
           | the other things he listed. Socialist and countries at war
           | aside famines just don't exist anymore.
        
             | yifanl wrote:
             | This seems wrong on its face?
             | 
             | https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/namibia-drought-elephants-
             | hipp...
        
             | rbanffy wrote:
             | Trickle down doesn't trickle down enough.
             | 
             | https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america
        
       | rw_panic0_0 wrote:
       | no
        
       | Simon_ORourke wrote:
       | No, say you're on a team of five with two consistently poor
       | performers that not only fail to achieve limited tasks, but
       | constantly draw off support from the rest of the team.
       | 
       | There's no technical fix for that. The nuclear option of getting
       | them sacked and replaced dents team morale and probably wouldn't
       | let the team back up to speed for three or four months with all
       | the onboarding required.
       | 
       | Coaching in areas where they should be self-learning consumes the
       | focus of others on the team or in the business.
       | 
       | Ignoring them and ploughing ahead without assigning them work
       | drastically reduces team effectiveness.
       | 
       | Not much in the way of a technical fix in sight - unless copilot
       | suddenly becomes really really good.
        
         | gonzo41 wrote:
         | IDK about coaching. If you've ever been seriously coached for
         | performance (think sports) an effective coach will look you
         | dead in the eye and tell you you're terrible. At work, in
         | technical fields, everyone likes to be liked and shy's away
         | from being a bastard to their peers and reports. Especially if
         | the conditions aren't that great and killing yourself for your
         | current gig isn't giving you windfall returns.
         | 
         | Giving people the tools to succeed or at least being clear to
         | them that they and need to do better is a managers job.
        
         | immibis wrote:
         | Putting them on gardening leave is a technical fix to that.
        
       | trilbyglens wrote:
       | Our proclivity to believing that all problems have technical
       | solutions is what has largely lead us into out current cultural
       | cul-de-sac. Namely the idea that AI will somehow "save us". I
       | can't think of anything more patently stupid. As stated here in
       | another comment, technology is neutral, but is also a multiplier
       | of force. Many of our technologies simply multiply the force of
       | the already powerful, against the power of the powerless.
        
       | mettamage wrote:
       | My gripe with titles like this is that problems as a class are
       | much bigger than technical problems.
       | 
       | For example:
       | 
       | Many people on HN seems to have dating problems. Whenever an
       | article on dating is in the front page, I see those issues in the
       | comments. In most cases, that class of problem requires people to
       | work on themselves. Online dating for sure as hell isn't solving
       | it.
       | 
       | Some of my comments outlined how to solve dating problems for cis
       | heterosexual males. Most of the partial solutions are non-
       | technical in nature. Some are technical if it concerns online
       | dating.
        
         | consf wrote:
         | A good example
        
         | jansan wrote:
         | Online dating could probably help a lot if it was optimized for
         | actually providing a solution instead of maximizing profit. If
         | these services actually manage to find a matching long-term
         | partner, they will lose two customers.
        
           | mettamage wrote:
           | There's a Dutch app that's pretty good (it's called Breeze).
           | Many tech orgs do find a good solution but they are usually
           | not blitz scaling
        
           | lesuorac wrote:
           | Perhaps you'd lose two customers but uh people are a
           | renewable resource. If your service actually worked well
           | you'd have an endless supply of future customers as your
           | previous customers reproduced.
           | 
           | But its definitely a problem that actually doing matchmaking
           | isn't as profitable as a chat app. Well for a publicly traded
           | company in today's environment of short-term thinking;
           | perhaps if it was a dividend company it would be feasible.
        
         | HPsquared wrote:
         | Dating falls under the sales and marketing department, which a
         | lot of technical people neglect to their detriment.
        
       | crvdgc wrote:
       | Perhaps the title should be "why do tech leaders believe all
       | problems have technical fixes?" To that question, isn't the
       | author analyzing too much into a salesman's pitch? They profit
       | from selling technical solutions, so of course they'll say
       | everyone can use one.
        
         | croes wrote:
         | You can deal with those scammers, because in the end they know
         | it's not true.
         | 
         | The real problem are the true believers
        
       | dartos wrote:
       | All problems except the problem of too much abstraction
        
       | Artzain wrote:
       | One way or another, there must be solutions. I always think about
       | companies sending rockets to Mars. So what's stopping us from
       | fixing a few bugs
        
       | unnouinceput wrote:
       | Problems in this world are of 2 types. Technical and political.
       | 
       | Do all "technical" problems have technical fixes. A very sound
       | YES!
       | 
       | What about political problems? Sometime they can be fixed with a
       | technical fix but ALL of them can be fixed with assassination.
        
       | jjk166 wrote:
       | Not all problems have technical fixes, but all fixes are
       | technical. Technology is the application of knowledge to solve
       | problems. Some technologies fall outside of what typically comes
       | to mind when the word is brought up, for example languages and
       | currency and tax codes are all technologies. Anything that
       | actually fixes a problem is going to wind up being technical.
       | There is a long and ever growing list of problems solved by
       | technology. It is arguably the hallmark of our species to look
       | for technical solutions to problems, and we will continue to do
       | so until we go extinct.
       | 
       | There are problems that don't have solutions. Some people want to
       | do A, some people want to do B, you can not do both, and doing
       | neither will piss off everyone - no matter what someone is going
       | to be unhappy. You might find better "solutions" or solve
       | adjacent problems, like "we'll do A today and B tomorrow" but the
       | core issue is intractable. It is the human condition that we will
       | always have some such problems, but they are few and generally
       | affect the upper levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. For the
       | lower level stuff - typically anything involving material needs -
       | technical solutions exist.
       | 
       | The problem with this article and the many others like it is that
       | it fails to distinguish between the search for genuine technical
       | solutions to problems and tech bros proposing bad technical
       | solutions to problems. That a problem theoretically has a
       | technical solution obviously does not mean your slight twist on a
       | note taking app is such a solution. Why these narratives are
       | pushed is reasonably easy to understand - it boosts the ego of
       | the person who developed the proposed "solution" and asserts a
       | value of the product to both potential customers and investors.
       | In particular, the phenomenon is heavily fueled by entrepreneurs
       | with little understanding of the underlying problem pitching
       | solutions to investors who have equally little understanding of
       | the underlying problem.
       | 
       | I'm fine with calling out dumb ideas, but going further to this
       | narrative of "some proposed technical fixes wouldn't work
       | therefore technical fixes don't work and anyone looking for a
       | technical fix is delusional" leads to a defeatist attitude. For
       | every solvable problem a technical solution does exist, it's just
       | really unlikely you'll stumble upon such a solution after
       | watching a few hours of videos on the latest tech fad.
        
       | jmull wrote:
       | Obviously, no.
       | 
       | But it's simpler than all the things the article goes in to.
       | 
       | Tech "leaders" get rich(er) if they can convince a bunch of
       | people they have the solutions to their problems. There are
       | various ways to accomplish this and any specific tech and even
       | tech itself is practically incidental.
       | 
       | Each hype wave is just another opportunity to do so. I think tech
       | is generally popular among the people trying to get rich(er)
       | because it's changing pretty fast which provides a regular series
       | of hype waves with regular opportunities to convince people you
       | have the solution they need. (You even get fresh opportunities to
       | convince people they have brand new kinds of problems, which, of
       | course, you have the solution to. Tech is very flexible.)
        
       | InDubioProRubio wrote:
       | No, there are problems that are societal loadcaring and can not
       | be fixed in the short term without widespread chaos and
       | lawlessness ensuing. There can be local optima of minimal
       | suffering approached, but every flower throws a shade and kills
       | another flower.
        
         | bwestergard wrote:
         | Did you mean "societally load-bearing"?
        
       | rbanffy wrote:
       | It all hinges on how far you are wiling to go. If you are OK with
       | being a supervillain, you could use a radiotherapy machine and
       | FMRI to nuke the specific neural paths that are creating your
       | pesky people-related problems.
       | 
       | The patients will object, of course, but that part of their
       | brains can also be nuked.
        
       | arminiusreturns wrote:
       | As the sysadmin/ops dude who has always been on the practical end
       | of things, most problems are leadership and not technical imho.
        
         | fuzzfactor wrote:
         | Exactly, there are tonnes of _technical_ problems that don 't
         | have viable technical solutions for that reason.
         | 
         | Or where solutions are simply standing by in readiness until
         | there is a landscape free of leadership deficiencies and their
         | accompanying obstacles, before deployment can commence.
        
       | tonetegeatinst wrote:
       | Sounds like a question for discrete math professors.
        
       | javier_e06 wrote:
       | I strong recommend the book The Wizard and The Prophet. We are
       | all here enjoying over abundance of food thanks the third
       | agricultural revolution. Technology defeated COVID. Our
       | technology wizards keep scoring big points. The prophets claim
       | that our wizards no only are not averting the global collapse of
       | civilization, they are accelerating it.
       | 
       | Nobody needs a microwave oven but who can wait a few minutes to
       | warm up their food?
        
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