[HN Gopher] Kris Kristofferson has died
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Kris Kristofferson has died
Author : coloneltcb
Score : 217 points
Date : 2024-09-29 22:49 UTC (1 days ago)
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| toomuchtodo wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kristofferson
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| > _Quack, quack! ... You ever see a duck couldn 't swim?_ --MP
| dang wrote:
| His pedigree as a Rhodes scholar always fascinated me. Not many
| land a helicopter on Johnny Cash's lawn.
| jhbadger wrote:
| He did a sketch on SNL back in the day making fun of his
| scholarly background, suggesting that he originally was going
| to title his famous song "Bobby McGee and I" before taking a
| course in "how to speak country".
| wheels wrote:
| It's true, but there are more well educated alternative country
| musicians than one might guess.
|
| Willie Nelson went to Baylor (but didn't finish) and Lyle
| Lovett has a degree in German literature from Texas A&M. Robert
| Earl Keen also graduated from A&M. Lucinda Williams's dad is a
| poet and literature professor. Emmylou Harris went to UNC and
| Boston University. Hell, even George Straight and Garth Brooks
| have degrees. That's not quite Rhodes Scholar, but perhaps not
| entirely expected?
| thorin wrote:
| Leonard Cohen was of course a highly educated writer and poet.
| Brian May is famously a doctor of astrophysics and still has an
| interest in research. I guess most musicians get laser focussed
| on it at a young age and don't have the need to study anything
| else.
| LargeWu wrote:
| There was a lot of cross pollination between artists and
| academics in that 60's counterculture crowd. Ken Kesey was a
| brilliant author who was also on the forefront of
| experimentation with LSD. John Perry Barlow was a lyricist for
| the Grateful Dead, and also founded the EFF.
| flobosg wrote:
| For reference: List of artists and entertainers with advanced
| degrees -
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artists_and_entertaine...
| KingOfCoders wrote:
| Convoy was the first film I've watched on VHS, which was magic,
| around ~1984.
| RyJones wrote:
| What a wonderfully insane movie.
| VTimofeenko wrote:
| "I am the law" quote is burnt into my brain thanks in part to
| the fanmade music video for Orange Goblin - Rage of Angels:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrizqjkSADM
| Lio wrote:
| That's a great link, thanks.
|
| Have to admit I'd not heard of Orange Goblin before but I'm
| headed for a journey threw their back catalogue now starting
| with The Wolf Bites Back.
| aanet wrote:
| Kris Kristofferson was one of my fav song-writers. For the
| longest time, I thought _Me and Bobby McGee_ was Janis Joplin's
| original song, until I learnt it was Kris' writing. He actually
| wrote it for a woman named Bobby... the rest is history. [1]
|
| A Golden Globe-winning actor, Golden Gloves boxer, Rhodes
| scholar, author, U.S. Army veteran, pilot, and onetime record-
| label janitor. A full fledged Renaissance man. They sure don't
| make 'em like that anymore.
|
| Whattay guy! RIP Kris. Thanks for all the enduring songs!!
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNblxfWTWU4
| rob74 wrote:
| > _He actually wrote it for a woman named Bobby..._
|
| Bobby being short for... Roberta? But then again, after I
| recently saw female pop singer Taylor Swift watching male
| tennis player Taylor Fritz at the US Open, I realized that some
| American first names are just... flexible.
| bdndndndbve wrote:
| There's many English names that aren't gendered ex. Morgan,
| Casey, Charlie, Jayme (plus Taylor and Bobby as mentioned
| previously)
| WalterBright wrote:
| Charlie is a nickname for Charles and Charlene.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| I would think Charlotte more than Charlene
| jetrink wrote:
| It's pretty common in the US for a name that is traditionally
| associated with boys become unisex (Taylor) or even
| prominently female (Lauren). Typically it is an uncommon male
| name (so not, e.g. John or Brian) that sees a sudden increase
| in popularity and becomes unisex. Some other examples include
| Leslie, Casey, Jordan, Morgan, Addison, and Riley. I can't
| think of any examples of the reverse off the top of my head.
|
| A chart of this phenomenon for Taylor:
|
| https://engaging-data.com/baby-name-
| visualizer/?n=taylor&sex...
| cafard wrote:
| "Jordan" goes some ways back--there is a woman named Jordan
| in _The Great Gatsby_.
|
| And it isn't entirely an American phenomenon: the critic
| Clive James was named Vivian James at birth, but the
| actress Vivian Leigh more or less claimed the name for the
| female sex when Gone With the Wind came out. James or his
| family fell back on his middle name to spare him teasing.
| mindcrime wrote:
| _more or less claimed the name for the female sex when_
|
| Not entirely so however. Vivian Campbell[1] is still
| rocking the "Vivian" name for the male sex[2]!
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Campbell
|
| [2]: Not that any of this really matters of course.
| Vivian's name just popped to mind for me as I'm a huge
| fan of his work with Whitesnake and Def Leppard.
| toyg wrote:
| _> "Jordan" goes some ways back_ [...] _The Great Gatsby_
|
| Jordan is a river in the Middle East (also in the Bible)
| and more recently a country near such river. Like
| Brooklyn or Paris, it is a topological name that was co-
| opted into a first name. As such, it could always be used
| for either sex.
|
| (Yes, Paris is also a male name found in the Iliad, but
| that doesn't share the etymology with the city of Paris,
| which is what most people refer to nowadays.)
| dctoedt wrote:
| And Evelyn (as in, e.g., Waugh, who pronounced it EEV-lin).
| maxerickson wrote:
| Even the ones that aren't are flexible.
| wholinator2 wrote:
| Bobby short for Barbara, a secretary who worked at his
| managers office. He also didn't write it exactly _for_ her,
| his manager guy had the idea for the name and theme during a
| conversation with the guy who's secretary was bobby mckee.
|
| All this can be seen at the link in gp comment
| cafard wrote:
| I once heard or read an interview with him on NPR, saying that
| he wrote the song at a time when he was working flying
| helicopters to oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. This had the odd
| effect of reminding me of the distance between Baton Rouge and
| New Orleans, and calling into question size of the truck
| driver's repertory of songs.
| buscar wrote:
| One of my all time favorites - Jody and the kid! Such a joy
| whenever I listen to it.
| acjohnson55 wrote:
| That dude didn't leave much on the table, in terms of life
| experiences. RIP.
| js2 wrote:
| Kristofferson standing up for Sinead O'Connor shortly after her
| SNL appearance:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKeJifOXAnA
|
| He later wrote a song for/about her:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HwWDOQoCBM
|
| The guy was a mensch.
| Modified3019 wrote:
| For those like me that didn't know:
|
| >Mensch: Yiddish word for a person of integrity and honor.
| Dilettante_ wrote:
| Literally a real human bean
| croes wrote:
| Or just the German word for human being
| rob74 wrote:
| See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q08mOo6NFok
| eddieroger wrote:
| A helpful reminder to be a mensch complements of The Critic.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMXUavHiLwE
| optimalsolver wrote:
| Of the uber variety.
| zombiwoof wrote:
| Convoy changed my life
| cwmoore wrote:
| RIP Kris Kristofferson, thanks for another song
|
| https://youtu.be/vHReBUA8cH4
| MarcScott wrote:
| Don't care that it was a bomb at the box office, I really enjoyed
| Heaven's Gate.
|
| I also loved Convoy. My kids and I still troll my wife by
| including the theme song on almost every playlist we create.
| Zobat wrote:
| - Don't care that it was a bomb at the box office, I really
| enjoyed Heaven's Gate.
|
| Ok, with English as a second language and not familiar with
| Kris body of works I read this as a quote from a song. Took me
| way too long to realize the intended meaning. As a line of song
| lyrics it rocks hard but doesn't really roll off the tongue.
|
| edit: of > off
| mkovach wrote:
| "You ever seen a duck that couldn't swim? Quack, quack!"
|
| It's still one of my favorite "I can't sleep" movies.
| mentalgear wrote:
| Kristofferson said that he would like the first three lines of
| Leonard Cohen's "Bird on the Wire" on his tombstone:
| Like a bird on the wire Like a drunk in a midnight choir
| I have tried in my way to be free
|
| source: Kristofferson wikipedia page
| telesilla wrote:
| His version of A Star is Born, with Strisand, is a masterpiece
| that will be sadly overshadowed by the inferior Gaga/Cooper
| attempt, the 1976 version reaches perfect notes in the height of
| rock hedonism and it's comedown. Kristifferson nailed it.
|
| https://youtu.be/FbVXxuykP_M?si=7bQbtVgcU3IrGJev
| vouaobrasil wrote:
| Liked him in Blade!
| Triphibian wrote:
| I recently saw him in Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. Great
| movie, strong early performance from Kristofferson.
| js2 wrote:
| I mean this sincerely: it's my favorite Scorsese film. I don't
| think many people would say that.
| brodouevencode wrote:
| No mention of Payback yet - great movie.
| karaterobot wrote:
| I think the interesting difference he brought to the country
| music scene is typified by _Sunday Morning Coming Down_ , which
| may have been his first successful hit (for Johnny Cash). Not
| going to look that up, let's say it's true. It's a depressing
| song about standing outside of society and community, walking
| around the edges of it and looking at it, but not wanting to get
| back in. That song would have broken another way if it were
| written by someone else.
| sys32768 wrote:
| His cover of Brandi Carlile's Turpentine is fantastic:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDruf7aDk4E
| megous wrote:
| He also stood up for Palestinian children and was noticeably
| blacklisted by some in the showbiz industry for it. Shows you the
| ideological vengefulness of some in this industry.
|
| Kristofferson's political stand helped ensure that his name
| received a black mark within the show-business stablishment, as
| he said, "Particularly in LA, I found a considerable lack of work
| after doing concerts for the Palestinian children and for a
| couple of gigs with Vanessa Redgrave and if that's the way it has
| to be, that's the way it has to be. If you support human rights,
| you gotta support them everywhere."
|
| (Kristofferson: The Wild American)
| syngrog66 wrote:
| should not be on "Hacker News"
| ngcazz wrote:
| Two days younger than my grandmother... time to call her.
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