[HN Gopher] Map with public fruit trees
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Map with public fruit trees
Author : dschuessler
Score : 331 points
Date : 2024-09-29 16:29 UTC (1 days ago)
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| strathmeyer wrote:
| https://fallingfruit.org/
| zikduruqe wrote:
| Also they have a freegan section of reported foods being thrown
| away.
|
| https://fallingfruit.org/?c=forager%2Cfreegan&locale=en
|
| It is a shame they we throw away so much food.
| IshKebab wrote:
| Yeah this seems to be more popular, at least in England.
| croisillon wrote:
| https://www.fruitmap.org/
| INTPenis wrote:
| https://fruktkartan.se/ for Sweden.
| yreg wrote:
| minor complaint: every single interaction with the map results in
| a new item pushed into the browser history
| teaearlgraycold wrote:
| Rookies
| ahoef wrote:
| Rule 1: be nice
| teaearlgraycold wrote:
| That's fair. I don't want to marginally increase the level
| of toxicity.
| Unearned5161 wrote:
| which makes pressing the back key multiple times take you on a
| fun adventure in reverse!
| Loughla wrote:
| I don't, generally, have the emotion of hate. I believe that
| hate is just a waste of emotional energy, and doesn't really
| serve a purpose. Further, I believe that if most people would
| stop and think, they would see that their hate is only
| serving to damage themselves, with zero positive results in
| every case.
|
| And yet, I absolutely hate sites that don't let me go back to
| wherever I was before going to the site when I hit back, but
| instead reload prior same page clicks.
| handzhiev wrote:
| A fun coincidence - I saw this link right after jumping off the
| plane from a trip to Hiiumaa and Saaremaa in Estonia. Public
| apple trees are everywhere. Additionally, people leave some of
| their apples in boxes for everyone to take for free - some are in
| front of houses and shop, others on public bus stops etc. Such a
| lovely tradition.
| henrikschroder wrote:
| When I went to high school, I'd walk through an allotment
| garden to get to school. Always great for a snack on the way
| home, someone had amazing raspberries! Some lovely cherry trees
| as well as several varieties of apples.
|
| Public? Free? Pschht, everyone knows that what's outside the
| fence is free for the taking!
|
| But there were also tons of fruit trees in nature in the city.
| Went jogging one time at a jogging trail, saw chanterelles in
| the forest, came back with my t-shirt full of tasty, tasty
| mushrooms.
|
| If you've grown up with always being able to pick fruits and
| berries and mushrooms in nature, maps like this are _so weird_.
| Why would you need a map? Nature is full of it?
|
| Oh, you're not allowed? Oh, you can't access it? Oh, there
| aren't any around, really? How sad.
| whatshisface wrote:
| There aren't a lot of public fruit trees in US cities because
| the falling ripe fruit can create a sanitization issue.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| That's more of an inefficient allocation issue. Mostly people
| driving past ripe fruit trees to buy fruit imported across
| oceans at the grocery store.
| nine_k wrote:
| Would you prefer fruit that grew near a city road, after
| many decades of cars passing by that place while burning
| leaded fuel?
| kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote:
| But you can't be sure the imported fruit wasn't grown in
| the same or worse conditions
| ethbr1 wrote:
| Out of sight, out of mind.
|
| Food arrives at the grocery store: perfectly checked,
| standardized, quality controlled, and ready to consume.
| /s
| hulitu wrote:
| > perfectly checked, standardized, quality controlled,
| and ready to consume
|
| Only if there is a problem. /s
| CalRobert wrote:
| Considering that orchards had lead arsenate sprayed on
| them it might actually be better
|
| https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036202
| 8X2...
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Theres a ton of fig and dates in socal people don't pick.
| That being said its hard to pick these trees. They might be
| located in clumsy areas like by some razor wire in a
| parking lot. You aren't sure when its time to harvest
| unless you know this tree well. Harvesting might not even
| be practical considering the best fruit is picked not
| dropped and picked up, and these trees could be huge. Then
| of course these being unsprayed trees the fruit is going to
| be full of wasp larvae at least for the figs. Then the rats
| will eat most of whatever is there thats worth eating
| anyhow before you realize its there.
|
| Commercially its a different story. Trees are planted and
| pruned to maintain easy harvesting. They are sprayed and
| rodents managed, as well as being overall outproduced by
| the yield on the farm. Fruit trees are a lot of work. Even
| literal money growing on trees would be work, against what
| the saying might imply.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| As a previous owner of a fig tree, figs are also kind of
| the worst case. Crazy hard keeping those suckers
| harvestable, compared to citrus et al.
| xsmasher wrote:
| > You aren't sure when it is time to harvest unless you
| know this tree well.
|
| This is a big issue. Every bush and tree I've added to my
| yard is a learning experience about what "ripe" means and
| when to harvest. The bright red plums are enticing to the
| eye but bitter and chalky. Perfect blue blueberries that
| taste like lemons.
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| Spain has plenty of oranges growing in the middle of a
| public street, most of them are perfectly edible. If
| fruit trees are a common presence in the city, people
| learn when to pick what, it becomes common knowledge,
| it's not rocket science.
| HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
| There's a spot in St. Paul, MN that I drive by sometimes that
| has had treefall apples all over the sidewalk for the last
| few weeks. I'm surprised they're left on the tree for that
| long, since it's in a pretty busy area.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Might have a lot of worms and be poor eating for the casual
| picker
| HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
| Yeah, I guess. People are spoiled by the appearance of
| grocery store produce. We have a bunch of apple trees
| that produce delicious fruit. I just eat around the worms
| and bug-bitten spots.
| timeon wrote:
| Not sure if it is really sanitization issue. But certainly
| perceived one - it can be mess. This was not unique to US. I
| remember on the other side of the Iron Curtain we planted in
| cities mostly just male dioecious trees.
|
| Finally no fruit ...just pollen everywhere. (Good luck with
| allergies)
| mananaysiempre wrote:
| Unattended apple trees can create rotting apples on the
| ground, certainly. Those are admittedly not pretty, but in
| Central Russia (and, presumably, in Estonia, which is not
| that far off climate- and fauna-wise) they're just one more
| layer of soil by spring. Do hotter temperatures or different
| wildlife make them a bigger problem in the US somehow?
| ok_dad wrote:
| Probably a situation with stuck up neighbors most of the
| time. If you've heard of the homeowners association problem
| in the USA, this could be the cause. Having rotting fruit
| is fine for the soil and everything, but the stick up the
| butt neighbors or HOA probably would complain or ban the
| practice. US Americans are pretty separated from nature in
| their big suburbs.
| hotspot_one wrote:
| hornets
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| I don't get it. If I wanted somebody to tell me what
| choices to make with how I lived, I'd have just continued
| living with my parents.
| reaperman wrote:
| Indeed. But it is difficult to find a house near work
| that is not already part of an HOA.
| ethbr1 wrote:
| It depends on the state. Some seem to love them
| (coughFloridacough) and others dislike them.
|
| Afaik, most of them are vestigial instruments left over
| from master planned development financing, that gave the
| developers X years of voting control in order to recoup
| some part of their investment.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Easy just live in a neighborhood built before 1970. Odds
| are if you work in a city these are available in spades
| in a reasonable distance to work. Nicer homes and
| neighborhoods than the newer plastic siding stuff thats
| come since too.
| zo1 wrote:
| HOA's can actually work really well, they just seemed to
| have taken a horrible turn somewhere in the USA. "HOA"s
| in South Africa are called "Sectional Titles", and
| they're pretty reasonable. They allow for (if you ask me)
| more efficient use of common resources (garden services,
| security, etc). Do they have politics, drama and the
| occasional Karen? Of course, but every grouping of
| individuals has that as it's just human nature.
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| I'd be ok with something like that, but I think I'd need
| neighbors who were interested in having common resources
| in the first place.
|
| Where we've got it wrong is that only thing we have in
| common is a shared interest in how the market perceives
| us, and since markets are batshit crazy, we end up doing
| crazy things like maintaining a lawn in a drought just
| for the aesthetics of it. If there were actually
| something we had in common, like I dunno a lathe or
| something, there would be something with practical
| considerations around which to anchor HOA policy.
|
| (bias note: I don't live in an HOA, but my friends seem
| to hate it an I'm offended by the lack of character/sense
| in the HOA-governed neighborhoods that surround mine.)
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| > If you've heard of the homeowners association problem
| in the USA
|
| From what I heard, their level of tyranny would give most
| dictators a worthy challenge.
| Suppafly wrote:
| Rotting fruit also quickly attract bees and wasps and
| larger problems like raccoons.
| Lutger wrote:
| It is more likely to be seen as messy, just aesthetics.
| Another big reason for chopping down fruit trees in urban
| areas is they mess up cars that are parked under them.
| hulitu wrote:
| People shall not park if they don't like it.
| seszett wrote:
| Here in Antwerp there's a long street (the Markgravelei)
| lined with _cornelian cherries_ (Cornus mas).
|
| I think most people around here don't know that they're
| edible and anyway that fruit is somewhat of a hassle to
| pick and prepare, but anyway once they're ripe they fall on
| the sidewalk and on cars, staining everything red, making
| the sidewalks slippery and leaving seeds behind. And
| there's no wild life to speak of, maybe some rats but not
| many, and birds don't seem to eat the fallen fruit. Wasps
| do, but it's not a positive point.
|
| There's no soil (except a ~1m2 square around each tree)
| because it's just a street in the city so although I don't
| find them a bother and I can pick a fruit from time to time
| while walking, I can well understand why people who live in
| this street would complain about it.
|
| I can't understand what went through the mind of people who
| chose to plant these trees here. I think it's almost as bad
| as if those were mulberry trees (relative to staining
| power).
|
| But it's just a remark on how fruit trees can be annoying
| to some people, for my part I used to live in another city
| where I was able to pick blackberries and raspberries on my
| way to work or to the supermarket, sometimes pears, and it
| was great. And in autumn I pick chestnuts here. Not too
| often because of PFAS pollution.
| carlob wrote:
| There is a mulberry tree right next to a bus station
| where I live. Between the people waiting for the bus and
| birds I almost never manage to eat the fruit and there is
| none on the ground.
| nsp wrote:
| mulberries are also incredibly fragile, they disintegrate
| into little packets of effectively dark dye very quickly
| vineyardmike wrote:
| > Do hotter temperatures or different wildlife make them a
| bigger problem in the US somehow?
|
| In many places, people worry about bugs and rats eating
| them, and the ones that don't get eaten start to rot and
| grow moldy. Generally just things people don't like in a
| dense city.
|
| Any rotting fruit that falls on the ground will attract
| many animals and bugs. Lots of flies and wasps, as well as
| bigger animals like rats or raccoons. Depends on the city
| for the specific animal, but seems like there are plenty of
| animals in big cities (at least here in the US) - NYC
| famously has rats, for example.
| hulitu wrote:
| > because the falling ripe fruit can create a sanitization
| issue
|
| I presume that Americans always take the poo of their beloved
| pets from the streets. /s
| blooalien wrote:
| > "I presume that Americans always take the poo of their
| beloved pets from the streets."
|
| They're _supposed to_ by law (and just good old-fashioned
| manners), and many _do_ clean up after their pets, but
| anywhere you go there 's always gotta be at least one
| jerkwad that doesn't care one little bit about anything
| beyond the tip of their own nose.
| jollyllama wrote:
| They do, more than most countries.
| space_oddity wrote:
| I hope you got to enjoy some of those apples during your trip!
| nemo44x wrote:
| People will use this to systematically harvest what they can and
| sell it or its byproducts. Tragedy of the commons, etc.
| IshKebab wrote:
| Yeah in my experience most people don't like giving up the
| location of public apple trees etc. so they can harvest them
| themselves anyway.
| kragen wrote:
| better systematically harvested and sold than fallen to the
| ground and rotted
| blackeyeblitzar wrote:
| Animals will eat those or the composting of the food simply
| returns nutrients to the environment
| kragen wrote:
| i don't want the rats in my neighborhood to return those
| nutrients to the environment, and i don't like tracking
| composting fruit into my apartment, though i guess if
| parrots eat the fruits while they're still on the tree
| that's okay
| starkparker wrote:
| Even better when done without profit as a motive, like
| community volunteer efforts such as
| https://www.portlandfruit.org/
| kragen wrote:
| that's better if it works better, but often profit is what
| works better as a motive. ultimately what matters is that
| the fruit finds its way to hungry mouths--and that those
| mouths are human mouths and not rat mouths!
|
| systematic harvesting is much better at that; whatever kind
| of point-scoring exercise people engage in on the way is
| irrelevant
| tdeck wrote:
| Commercial orchards are full of carefully pruned and closely
| spaced trees of known varieties and the margin is still not
| great on fruit production. It simply isn't a good way to make
| money to drive all around town picking unknown variety fruits
| with pest blemishes from irregular trees and then try to sell
| them. This is why maps like Falling Fruit have been around for
| years and yet if you walk around Berkeley (for example) you
| will still see plenty of fruit on trees.
| cmcconomy wrote:
| Here's a detailed one for Toronto,
|
| http://www.mapto.ca/maps/the-fruit-trees-of-toronto
| GingerMidas wrote:
| This reminds me of the Stanford Gleaning Project
|
| https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=15Z25z2IyTYSzH0...
| bdjsiqoocwk wrote:
| Does this use OSM? Does anyone understand how to integrate your
| own data with OSM (like this project does) without having to
| actually add it to OSM?
| fredley wrote:
| https://leafletjs.com/
| pastage wrote:
| Leaflet lets you add POIs on a OSM base layer map, you can also
| extract information from OSM about trees and bushes. If you use
| dumped data from OSM your data will be considered opendata as
| well so merging them will mean that you can not prevent other
| people from using you data.
|
| In short: You do a overpass turbo query to dump data from OSM
| and import it into sqlite, build a GIS index, serve it as
| geojson, display that on a slippymap with leafletjs and write
| an end point to update the data.
| bdjsiqoocwk wrote:
| Thank you.
| diego_moita wrote:
| Edmonton, Canada: https://data.edmonton.ca/Environmental-
| Services/Trees-Map/ud...
|
| The city also has some foraging clubs that are quite active.
| There are many more things to pick in the city's forests and
| parks: asparagus, strawberries, raspberries, currants, mushrooms,
| etc.
| SirMaster wrote:
| I am always on the lookout for mullberries.
|
| I really like them and you can't just buy them at a grocery
| store.
| space_oddity wrote:
| Mulberries are such a treat!
| jccalhoun wrote:
| Growing up we had a mullberry tree. So much purple bird poop.
| sanchezxf wrote:
| Ok.
| blackeyeblitzar wrote:
| Around me I see some people that are very dedicated to exploiting
| these fruits. They'll show up with a large group - children,
| friends, family - and systematically pick everything clean to
| fill their buckets. It's really disappointing because they
| clearly don't need that much, there's nothing left for others,
| and there's nothing left for wildlife. The worst thing is they
| usually don't pay any attention to whether the fruit is ready to
| be harvested or not - they just grab it all - and that means
| they're not likely to get something tasty even for themselves.
| But there is a mindset to get them before anyone else does, so
| they take them anyways. Personally I think it is better if these
| aren't mapped out, so at least locals who are invested in their
| community have a chance to pick them responsibly. These maps end
| up just being used by the exploitative people.
| umpalumpaaa wrote:
| And unfortunately the website has several entries that are in
| nature reserves where picking is absolutely not allowed. I
| mailed the owner of the website to let them know.
| emj wrote:
| Do you have examples of nature reserves where this is not
| allowed. Here there are always rules and they vary alot
| between the reserves, but mostly you are allowed to pick
| fruits. Digging, breaking sticks and collecting rocks is
| forbidden almost everywhere.
|
| I ask because this would be an interesting data to have in
| Openstreetmap or Wikidata, so you can easily know what rules
| govern what nature reserve.
| wbazant wrote:
| I reckon the main thing is to use this free resource, someone
| valuing it is a good thing. If there's not enough for you or
| someone else, the right solution is to just plant more.
| tokai wrote:
| Cool map. But in Copenhagen there are so many toxic lots that I
| would never take fruit from any tree within the city limits.
| Levitating wrote:
| What do you mean by toxic?
| wang_li wrote:
| Not Copenhagen, but if you are in the Seattle area you should
| think twice before gardening or eating fruit from free
| growing plants if you are south of Elliot Bay on the Puget
| Sound.
|
| https://apps.ecology.wa.gov/dirtalert/?lat=47.273840&lon=-12.
| ..
| senortumnus wrote:
| That's interesting. Leftover from industrial era? Any specific
| contaminants that you would expect to find in the city soil?
| greegus wrote:
| A similar project to http://map.na-ovoce.cz
| surprisetalk wrote:
| I covered some of this in a recent blogpost:
|
| [1] https://taylor.town/oh-theft
|
| tl;dr Remember that private plants overhanging public property
| are not necessarily fair game.
| BriggyDwiggs42 wrote:
| Hey i read some of that blogpost and I'm struggling to see your
| issue. I'm happy to agree it's theft, but why should I mind it
| in cases where it's a large corporation like home depot?
| Certainly I agree with your concern for personal gardens.
| surprisetalk wrote:
| My blog post was moreso trying to explain what's legal vs
| what's right/wrong :)
|
| If you're asking for my personal moral opinion, I think it's
| only a minor sin.
|
| To me, it's like walking your dog without a leash. Of course
| _your_ precious chihuahua doesn 't need a leash, but then
| that somehow gives license for pomeranians, pugs, corgis,
| collies, terriers, pitbulls, german shephards, mastiffs, etc.
|
| I don't think chihuahuas really need leashes. But sometimes I
| also don't trust people to decode nuance and to self-police.
| I want to live in a world where chihahuas are free _and_
| safe, and it seems like the best way to achieve that is
| through adherence to blanket policies. I 'm still unsure if
| that makes it a moral issue though haha I'm not a philosopher
| Physkal wrote:
| Not many places in the US.
| nox101 wrote:
| This feels like it might have unintended consequences. My mom
| lives in a neighborhood where lots of people have fruit trees and
| allow neighbors to take some because none of them could eat all
| of the fruit. But, once in while, some people outside the
| community drive in an clear out the trees abusing the system.
| Will a map of public trees increase incidents like that?
| coding123 wrote:
| This has happened for free RV camping spots. After the internet
| occupied the space, you can't find a peaceful area to camp
| anymore. In fact many places in AZ closed due to people just
| dumping their black tanks straight up on the land.
| mncharity wrote:
| Noted also in comment
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41689953 .
|
| We're dismissive of "security through obscurity", but cost
| functions and diffusive compartmentalization are structural
| components of many systems. Yet exploring innovative approaches
| to mitigate the costs of our barrier reductions don't seem to
| get much discussion.
| space_oddity wrote:
| Maybe keeping the map more localized
| _ink_ wrote:
| I have an alley of cherry trees nearby. It's really nice and
| there is plenty for everyone. Theoretically. But every year a
| bunch of "professionals" appear and collect everything.
| Probably to sell them somewhere. If that weren't enough, they
| do a lot of damage to the trees. It's just sad.
| gsleblanc wrote:
| If you're interested in this kind of thing, inaturalist is
| another great resource with significantly more activity (at least
| in the US)
| Lerc wrote:
| There seems to be quite the split of opinion on public fruit
| trees.
|
| I encountered something like this when I planted a row of red
| currents at the front of our property. My mother-in-law said "You
| can't plant those there, people will take the fruit" whereas my
| thinking was "If I plant these here, people can take the fruit"
| Sirizarry wrote:
| One of my favorite parts of visiting family in Puerto Rico is
| the ability to stop almost anywhere and pick up a free, fresh
| mango/passion fruit/papaya/etc.. It's a beautiful thing to
| experience nature providing at such scale
| userbinator wrote:
| It's truly abundance when there's so much that you don't have
| to ever think about running out, probably so much that it
| even overwhelms those mentioned in the other comments who
| would otherwise try to harvest as many as they could.
| indoordin0saur wrote:
| When I visited Guatemala you could so this with avocados.
| There are so many there that most just fall off the trees and
| rot on the ground.
| rhcom2 wrote:
| So weird because even with a backyard veggie garden I'm always
| giving stuff away. Who can eat 20 cucumbers a week.
| NetOpWibby wrote:
| Farming is for the community. Love to see it.
| robotguy wrote:
| Reminds me of a saying I heard while living in upstate New
| York as a kid:
|
| You know you live in a small town when, if you leave your
| windows rolled down in your car at the supermarket, you come
| back out to find a bag of zucchini on your front seat.
| throwaway290 wrote:
| I think they are awesome but once you have it publicly mapped
| that one person will make it their biz to harvest for free all
| they can. The kind who has a house and a car but will go and
| grab all samplers or free food handouts and the like out of
| principle. Then locals will no longer benefit
| GJim wrote:
| It's true!
|
| Americans would rather see food thrown away than taken by
| somebody they feel doesn't 'deserve' it.
| 0xEF wrote:
| This is so sad to me, but thankfully, not all of us are
| like this.
|
| My neighborhood has a small park that features a pear tree
| and a plethora of frost grapes. My wife and I are of a
| conservationist bent, so we monitor the plants in the park
| for any bad news and help keep the trails manicured. I can
| say that pear tree and grapes are both used wisely and with
| others in mind, as people from the neighborhood show up to
| take only what they need. One lady does take a lot, but she
| makes terrific jams then passes them around.
|
| It's quite a positive culture around this park, and it was
| in place long before we moved there. It also goes against
| everything I otherwise tend to experience with my fellow
| Americans, namely greed and gluttony of consumerism.
| throwaway290 wrote:
| That's awesome. Do you have tons of fruit trees around in
| general? If not, do you think your idyllic situation is
| possibly because your trees are not listed on a map?
|
| Do you think a person who really needs to eat right now
| and the only option is picked fruit can also be the
| person who has access to a website with fruit tree map
| and a car to get there?
| ldoughty wrote:
| Yep, I certainly would prefer food get thrown away then for
| somebody to drive up to my property, harvest all of the
| fruit, and then go and sell it to other people.
|
| However, that's less about deserving it, and more about the
| food being taken for someone's personal profit.
|
| I also think most people would be happy for the food to go
| to those in need, but then for make reasons we have laws or
| business policies that forbid it... Starbucks doesn't want
| to pay 10 million dollars because an employee gave a
| homeless person food they we're allergic to... We do love
| lawsuits here..
| ryandrake wrote:
| Yea, OP's point is that it's not about deserving it, it's
| that there's always someone who thinks anything available
| for free means that they can just take the whole lot for
| themselves, and/or profit from it.
|
| I remember the last company I worked for that tried the
| whole "Free food if you stay a little late" thing. They'd
| buy a few boxes of pizzas and set them out int he break
| room with the expectation that you'd take a slice or two.
| Well, of course, eventually one or two people started
| taking entire boxes home for themselves and then that
| "perk" inevitably ended.
| rand846633 wrote:
| Price for a box of pizza? Vs price for a hour of
| overtime?
|
| Yeah this sounds bad. If the company stops giving "free"
| pizza bc/ someone takes not 1/8 of a pizza but 1 pizza,
| then you know how much they value, or rather do not value
| your time.
|
| Hard to see how a manager could be this inept.
| ryandrake wrote:
| Removing the perk was absolutely not about the cost of
| the pizza which was trivial, or the extra productivity,
| it was about the few jerks abusing it. Of course, they
| could have bought 5X more pizza, and then the jerks would
| have walked out with 5 pizza boxes instead of one.
|
| Same mentality is why we can't leave a basket of
| unattended candy outside the house on Halloween, for
| Trick-Or-Treaters to share: Inevitably _someone_ will
| just take the whole basket. It 's not about the cost of
| the candy, it's about not enabling jerks.
| digging wrote:
| Is this abuse? Were people taking these boxes as soon as
| they were delivered, or were people taking home boxes of
| leftovers? I don't think I've ever been to an event of
| any sort which had ordered pizzas and saw someone just
| take a box before anyone could get to it. But _most_
| events I 've been to which had pizzas had intentionally
| ordered extra boxes, and it's always encouraged for
| someone to take home extras in those cases.
| lancesells wrote:
| > then for somebody to drive up to my property, harvest
| all of the fruit, and then go and sell it to other
| people.
|
| You just described most AI companies.
| karaterobot wrote:
| https://fallingfruit.org/
| squigz wrote:
| Am I misinterpreting your comment, or are you suggesting
| that GP is being unreasonable for being frustrated with the
| people they described?
| throwaway290 wrote:
| I think he is, it's sarcasm
| throwaway290 wrote:
| I'm from Russia.
|
| By the way if you know how plants grow and spread "get
| eaten by humans and pooped into sewer" is not always the
| best reproduction strategy and so throwing away is not
| always a waste.
|
| And judging that some people don't deserve something is not
| always wrong unless you are philosophical extremist. If you
| have so many fruit trees around that anyone in need can
| pick one any time you probably don't live in an area where
| a map of fruit trees is useful. It's catch-22 isn't it?
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| > And judging that some people don't deserve something is
| not always wrong unless you are philosophical extremist.
|
| You are missing the point - ofcourse those people exist,
| some people don't deserve to breathe, think terrible
| crimes
|
| The problems are:
|
| 1 - you are so preoccupied with that 1 guy who 'does not
| deserve' does not get free fruit, that you make life
| worse for 1,000 people who do
|
| 2 - are you the right person to judge who 'deserves' and
| who 'doesn't'. Who is the right person to judge? What if
| they are wrong? Who judges the judges?
| wbazant wrote:
| There's a crew like that for apple trees in Glasgow! They
| rack up boxes and boxes from all around the city. Then they
| run events where you can press apples, and all the fresh
| juice gets given away.
| throwaway290 wrote:
| If locals don't mind then why not?
| dhosek wrote:
| I'm guessing the "given away" part is key here.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| The real risk isn't even people taking the fruit. Its rats you
| need to worry about. I like my fruit trees but there is at
| least one rat I know of that I am directly sustaining every
| night with this tree. Not sure what I can even do for this as
| if I ever catch this rat, another will take its place. Calories
| are on the table here, the environment is going to grow to
| consume that excess I've introduced to the local area.
| ssl-3 wrote:
| > Not sure what I can even do for this as if I ever catch
| this rat, another will take its place.
|
| Just move to Alberta[0].
|
| 0: https://www.alberta.ca/albertas-rat-control-program
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| A guy had a cherry tree planted nearby, and after the first few
| people picked the bottom ~2.5 meters, the rest started pulling
| and breaking down branches to reach cherries higher up,
| climbing over the hedge, breaking branches there too, and of
| course left the branches on the ground for the owner to clear.
|
| He still regrets not planting it further away from the street,
| unreachable to shitty people.
| II2II wrote:
| A lot of it depends where you are. I lived near the downtown
| core of a large city, and people would (usually gently) pick
| the fruit off the tree next to the sidewalk. Few would
| venture onto the property itself, even though there was no
| fence and an abundance of fruit trees. It was not much of a
| bother. I currently live near the downtown core of a small
| city. You could go to bed one night with an abundance of
| fruit, far from the street, and awake the next day to find
| nothing.
| patrickwalton wrote:
| I've been thinking something like this is needed whenever I see a
| tree dropping fruit on the sidewalk.
| Tomte wrote:
| Mundraub btw. is a German legal term that literally translates as
| mouth-robbery.
| cl3misch wrote:
| It _was_ a legal term.
|
| For non-Germans: it's a (now colloquial) term for stealing in
| low quantities and out of direct necessity for your own/your
| family's survival. In that it alleviates the "base motives"
| part of the crime.
| hnbad wrote:
| It's colloquially used in a sense that suggests it's legal or
| a legal gray area but it's also important to point out that
| there's no such exemption. "Mundraub" is simply minor theft
| (like shoplifting low-value products) which means you won't
| be prosecuted unless the injured party presses charges.
|
| "Stealing" fruit (or flowers) from public flora is legal in a
| practical sense and under certain circumstances explicitly
| permitted if it does not involve trespass, you only take
| small quantities (which is not legally defined) and you do so
| carefully (which is also not legally defined). There's no
| requirement for immediately consuming the fruits on the spot
| (as the colloquial use of the term "Mundraub" suggests).
|
| As with most of the things laypeople think of as being legal,
| it's more of a case of how much someone cares to enforce the
| law that makes it illegal. Also note that "public land" may
| not actually be public despite being publicly accessible. A
| lot of former nobility retained their land despite losing
| their titles and it's not always clear that this land is
| actually privately owned, especially if you're not from the
| area. Some is even tended by municipal governments as part of
| contractual agreements for allowing access to the public.
| Germany did not get rid of its nobility like e.g. France did
| even if we officially no longer recognize titles.
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| My best spots are fruits trees in the border of a villa, but you
| can catch some by climbing a bit. Usually proprietaries are ok,
| they don't eat them most of time. I'm foraging figs and persimons
| lordgrenville wrote:
| Someone brought this up in a child comment: what are the
| taste/health effects of near-permanent car traffic on fruit
| trees? The fruit of the public citrus trees in my city is pretty
| sour, but I don't know how much this is because of not being bred
| for sweetness, vs absorbing carbon monoxide, lead etc from
| passing cars.
| ricardobayes wrote:
| If it's anywhere in southern Spain the oranges are
| decorative/bitter jam oranges, not for eating directly.
| space_oddity wrote:
| Def fruit grown near heavy traffic can be affected by pollution
| yet the extent of these effects depends on different factors
| cubbic wrote:
| Very cool and we have similar in Sweden. Have used it several
| times https://fruktkartan.se/#/
| m000 wrote:
| I'm glad to see several fig trees in Crete on the map. Just the
| other day I was thinking it would be cool to have an app mapping
| them.
|
| Fig trees located in fields are considered public by tradition in
| Crete. I.e. it's fair game to stop by and grab some fruit, even
| if you cross into private property. This tradition originates
| from older days, where farmers/shepherds were travelling the
| island on foot or riding donkeys, often sleeping away from home.
| Fig trees were established as the unofficial roadside snack bars
| because of the delicious fruit, but more importantly because they
| thrive on the rough terrain without need for human care.
| b3ing wrote:
| I knew someone that had a date tree in the far front corner of
| their yard. when it produced fruit a car would park there and
| like 4-5 people were picking all the fruit off the tree. they
| ended up cutting it down.
|
| Just be prepared for someone to pick everything to sell or for
| their restaurant
| lotsoweiners wrote:
| Dates grow on palms that are quite tall. Were they climbing
| these people's palm tree?
| jlengrand wrote:
| I live in the Netherlands but come from South of France. First
| thing I did when buying a house was to create a "aromatic garden"
| in front of my house. Oregano, thyme, lavender, ....
|
| No only the smell is amazing in the summer and it reminds me of
| home, but it's been so cool to see people come and pluck from it
| for their cooking. It's been my hope all along.
|
| I love this <3
| zwieback wrote:
| Oregon is plastered with fruit trees just growing anywhere in
| public spaces. Most of the time wild trees aren't cared for
| enough to be useful but there are some exceptions, especially
| plums.
| zwieback wrote:
| which mapping style do they use? Reminds me of the German maps of
| my childhood. We have nice forest service maps but the styling
| isn't as pretty
| supportengineer wrote:
| I have a fruit tree that provides a LOT of fruit. Half of it
| hangs over a fence. I don't mind if people come up and take some
| of the "low hanging fruit". However the other day I caught a lady
| halfway across the top of my fence, her torso was in my yard.
| This is a 6 foot tall fence. The problem is that if you give an
| inch, people take a mile.
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