[HN Gopher] NASA is selling a brand-new Moon rover: Never used, ...
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NASA is selling a brand-new Moon rover: Never used, one previous
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Author : helsinkiandrew
Score : 120 points
Date : 2024-09-29 06:30 UTC (16 hours ago)
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| helsinkiandrew wrote:
| https://archive.ph/2QINr
| bilekas wrote:
| I just got a very hard block from this link from the `Ministero
| dell'Interno`...
| veggieWHITES wrote:
| Scary stuff... Condolences :/ Try TOR?
| bilekas wrote:
| No need, just a notice to others that would maybe prefer
| not to support such 'hosting' services. It was not
| trademark/copyright related I can say.
| tough wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today
| generic92034 wrote:
| Or you could question the reasoning of your Ministry of
| Interior. Those archiving sites are vital for the
| internet to have some kind of "memory".
|
| See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today
| bilekas wrote:
| Thats not what it's bocking it for apperantly. Obviously
| I wouldn't have a problem with simply archiving.
|
| https://imgur.com/a/RSQIKP2
| lolinder wrote:
| Yikes, mind sharing which country you're in that has those
| kinds of hard blocks?
| fragmede wrote:
| https://www.interno.gov.it/it says Italy.
| bilekas wrote:
| Yes Italy, I'm not sure why but for others it seems to be
| working.
|
| I'm sure it's down to the DNS / ISP.
| alfiopuglisi wrote:
| I am in Italy as well and the link works fine.
| bilekas wrote:
| The link i get is :
|
| https://imgur.com/a/RSQIKP2
|
| STOP !
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| La visualizzazione intenzionale, la diffusione, la
| detenzione, la cessione, la produzione e la
| commercializzazione di questo tipo di materiale sono puniti
| dalla legge come reato.
| Y_Y wrote:
| How many moons must a moon rover before you can call it a rover?
| grues-dinner wrote:
| > Just wait a sodding minute! You want a question that goes
| with the answer for 42? Well, how about "What's six times
| seven?" Or "How many Vogons does it take to change a
| lightbulb?" Here's one! "How many roads must a man walk down?"
|
| One more for the list!
| pxeger1 wrote:
| How much moon could a moon rover rove if a moon cover could
| rove moon?
| interludead wrote:
| If a moon rover could rove as much moon as a moon rover
| could, that moon rover would rove all the moon it could rove!
| ax0ar wrote:
| If that moon rover roved all the moon it could rove, then
| the moon it roved would be the roved moon that no other
| moon rover could hope to rove.
| woleium wrote:
| it saddens me to see this site devolve into meaningless
| reddit like slop. Please do your part to help keep the
| signal to noise ratio up.
| jerkstate wrote:
| downvote off-topic content and move on
| vasco wrote:
| I think you're missing a rover, "(...) must a moon rover rover
| before (...)"
| echoangle wrote:
| Wouldn't it be "(...) must a moon rover rove before (...)"?
| Isn't the verb to ,,rover" ,,rove"?
| CarRamrod wrote:
| Moon Rover
|
| Wider than a mile
| labster wrote:
| I'm launching you in style one day
| tripa wrote:
| Wider than a mole?
| davidhunter wrote:
| The answer my friend, is rovin' in the wind
| stavros wrote:
| "How many moons must a moon rover rover before you can call a
| rover a moon rover?"
| Cockbrand wrote:
| See also: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
| Buffalo buffalo.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffal...
| cs02rm0 wrote:
| How many moons must a moon rover rove over before you can call
| it a rover? Over.
| cookiengineer wrote:
| How many moons must a moon rover rove over until a range
| rover calls the moon rover the rover of rovers that rovered
| over the moon?
| rootsudo wrote:
| You mean moon pie isn't made of moon?
| qingcharles wrote:
| No, it's a cheesecake.
| mgsouth wrote:
| While your comment would normally be considered "humor", and
| thus automatically subject to downvote, the Committee has noted
| that it seems, based on the numerous replies, to have tapped
| into an under-served concept in an upscale demographic segment.
| Even better, the segment appears to have dubious taste. It got
| legs, baby. Congratulations, and enjoy your upvote.
|
| We have taken the liberty to pass this along to a VC manager
| who is very interested in discussing future opportunities with
| you. Please be prepared to discuss specifics of the LLM we, ah,
| sort of assumed was involved.
| blackoil wrote:
| Meh. I have few Mars, Europa rover in case anyone is interested.
| metaphor wrote:
| Outsider looking in, this article[1] published circa Jul 2022
| appears to add some historical color to the status quo...it all
| seems related to CLPS[2] failures surrounding a few involved
| primes[3][4].
|
| In any case, sure does look like a nasty Nunn-McCurdy breach that
| NASA has on their hands.
|
| [1] https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/nasa-replans-clps-
| delivery...
|
| [2]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Lunar_Payload_Servi...
|
| [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobotic_Technology
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| [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masten_Space_Systems
| philipwhiuk wrote:
| That's not the case.
|
| The rover itself, made by NASA, experienced cost growth. This
| is a longstanding problem in science missions and so, in an era
| of fiscal tightening, they chose not to add more money to
| VIPER.
|
| "Nunn-McCurdy" is weapons regulation. It doesn't apply here
| directly, but there are Congressional reporting requirements
| for it.
| 0xffff2 wrote:
| It's absolutely the case. The rover was built in the middle
| of Covid. Given the challenges that created, the cost growth
| on the rover itself was quite reasonable.
|
| The problem right now is that NASA HQ has no confidence in
| the CLPS contractor building the lander, but it's not
| politically correct to throw a private company under the bus.
| seydor wrote:
| still looks better than the cybertruck
| interludead wrote:
| And the moon rover is designed to handle actual craters
| nolist_policy wrote:
| At 0.166g thought.
| glitchc wrote:
| The OG EV truck.
| amelius wrote:
| Here are the keys. And by the way, we parked it on the Moon.
| woleium wrote:
| A fully functioning rover on the moon would be worth
| significantly more than on earth, no?
| freedomben wrote:
| Yes, but only if it also comes with all the communication
| equipment. If it's fully functional, but you can't talk to
| it, probably not worth anything.
| iambateman wrote:
| I think the collectible value of "only rover on the moon"
| would be extraordinary regardless of functionality.
| wongarsu wrote:
| It would be the ninth. The honor of the first lunar rover
| goes to the Soviets. And in recent times China, India and
| Japan have all successfully deployed rovers on the moon.
|
| If it had been launched fast enough it could have become
| the first American (self-driving) rover on the moon. And
| still among the first ten rovers. That would be worth
| something to some collector
| trothamel wrote:
| In 1993, the price of a non-functional lunar rover was
| $68,500.
|
| That's how much Richard Garriott (son of astronaut Owen
| Garriott, creator of the Ultima game series, and after
| that, private astronaut that spent 12 days at the ISS)
| spent to purchase the rights to Lunokhod 2 and the Luna
| 21 lander.
| hshshshsvsv wrote:
| I want to know what kind of mental models you used to
| arrive at that conclusion. Curious.
| rdlw wrote:
| Personally I would want the purchase to make a tangible
| difference to my life. If I can't control, communicate
| with, or see my purchase, that's functionally equivalent
| to me not owning it
| mystified5016 wrote:
| I have a bridge to sell you in Holland
| LorenPechtel wrote:
| It hasn't been launched.
| highwayman47 wrote:
| "For sale: baby shoes, never worn."
| hatsix wrote:
| Heh, I mentioned this to my wife a while back, she said that
| we've had a pair of shoes since our first (of three) that had
| never been worn, and that shoes at our second hand store are
| often labeled that way. Turns out, baby shoes are aesthetic
| only, baby's feet aren't really foot-shaped yet so they're hard
| to put on, and if they're moving, they're crawling, and shoes
| make it impossible to use their feet while crawling. The shoes
| were either a gift, or something she bought before the baby was
| born... So that story made her think of the naivety of pre-
| parents and chuckle, I had to explain why people found it sad,
| and her response was "those people have never tried to put baby
| shoes on a baby".
|
| Which is to say, I think that her take makes this even more apt
| response... the people getting sad about this have never tried
| to put a rover on the moon.
| thfuran wrote:
| I tried, but I'm not tall enough. And the big ones are really
| heavy.
| hristov wrote:
| It is very suspicious that the companies bidding are NASA
| contractors. This may be a case of corruption. I.E., NASA sells
| the moon rover for 85 M and then pays 200 M for the moon rover to
| do something for them for future NASA missions.
| BolexNOLA wrote:
| This is some pretty heavy speculation based on very little
| information. Saying "maybe a case" is really doing a lot of
| heavy lifting here.
| KyleBerezin wrote:
| "It's petty suspicious that the only companies trying to buy
| this mining equipment are other mining companies." Did you
| expect Walmart to make a bid on it?
| freedomben wrote:
| In general, I'm with you about being skeptical.
|
| However, in this case, I don't think there is anything weird
| going on, at least not with the information we have. I've never
| worked at one of these contractors who service NASA, but in the
| past I worked for a large defense contractor who in part
| provided some pretty high-tech stuff to the Air Force among
| others.
|
| One of the things I worked on specifically was the
| communications computer for the Predator drone. It was the
| piece of equipment that received all command and control from
| the ground station, and sent the video back from the drone
| camera. The actual plane itself was made by a separate company
| who was more specialized in that aspect.
|
| We were very proud to work on Predator, and we absolutely would
| have loved to have bid on something like that. Even though we
| made part of it, we didn't have a complete unit. Had we have
| won a bid to get one, it would have gone into a glass case in
| our visitor area, where we would proudly display it like a
| trophy. I would not be surprised in the least if that is what
| these bidders have in mind.
|
| Consider how much fun it would be if you are showing up for a
| job interview and you see in a glass case in the lobby an
| actual brand new moon Rover! I know that would be pretty cool
| for me. I do tend to love museums though, so maybe I'm not the
| best test case.
| II2II wrote:
| Stipulations include performing the science mission and
| releasing the data. While there the cool factor would be
| orders of magnitude greater, there are also considerable
| commitments and risk involved. So the question is: what other
| benefits would be involved? I'm sure there would be many,
| particularly if you could prove that you could launch and
| operate such missions, but I doubt that having a museum piece
| would be one of them. (And you would only have that museum
| piece if there is a twin that remains on Earth, which seems
| to be common for NASA missions.)
| wongarsu wrote:
| Everyone who has the capability to land this on the moon is a
| NASA contractor or a competing space agency. And I don't know
| how congress would feel about selling this to Roskosmos, the
| Chinese CNSA or Indian ISRO. Maybe ESA.
|
| Of course somebody else could buy it and pay somebody to put it
| on the moon. But that seems unlikely given the provision that
| findings have to be shared. For companies that sell moon
| landings it's good marketing, for anyone else there wouldn't be
| much upside
| bmitc wrote:
| "No low balls. I know what I have."
| theflyingelvis wrote:
| Does the ac blow cold?
| nimbius wrote:
| I'm gonna have to call in my NASA moon rover expert. Best I can
| do is $40.
| yabbs wrote:
| Dark side of a Hollywood basement
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