[HN Gopher] The best $4 ever spent
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The best $4 ever spent
Author : pmzy
Score : 276 points
Date : 2024-09-27 14:46 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| dp-hackernews wrote:
| Priceless! <3
| pmzy wrote:
| indeed! :D
| LUmBULtERA wrote:
| I took a bus home with my toddler one day when waiting for the
| planned ride was going to take a longer time than I was
| originally expecting. I didn't think much of it, but for him the
| bus ride was WAY more interesting than the zoo we had just
| visited!
| mzs wrote:
| experienced the same with train to museum
| pmzy wrote:
| thank you so much for sharing your story :)
| grecy wrote:
| For their 3rd Birthday the daughter of a friend just wanted to
| ride the bus. So all our friends and their kids got on the right
| bus at the right time and place so we were all on the bus by the
| time the Birthday girl got on. We had a riot of a time going
| around our little town, and the bus driver and other passengers
| all sang Happy Birthday and "the wheels on the bus"
|
| Brilliant idea for a memorable 3rd Birthday!
| mmikeff wrote:
| Spending time with kids > giving stuff to kids.
| nvalis wrote:
| I would say this applies to more than just kids, this is the
| case for almost everyone.
| docdeek wrote:
| When I was a kid in suburban Australia my parents would organize
| a semi-annual 'bus-train-ferry' trip. It was a school holiday
| tradition where - in hindsight - we'd do the sort of daily
| commute that thousands of working adults would do every
| morning...except for a kid the magic of a bus to a train station,
| a train into the city, and then a ferry across the river was just
| great fun. A day ticket for a family back in the 1980s? Probably
| next to nothing, but a priceless memory.
| dinvlad wrote:
| So wholesome :-)
| jamiehoward wrote:
| Love this!
| ajdude wrote:
| When I was growing up, it was a Christmas tradition for my family
| to take the local train system (SEPTA) from Delaware to Philly to
| visit the exhibits at the old Gallery mall. It was a rough,
| dirty, and crowded ride, and it felt like forever as it stopped
| at every station. My grandparents would take my mother when she
| was growing up.
|
| Decades later it still left a positive impact on me.
| fattybob wrote:
| Absolutely wonderful tale - I laughed out loud at that final
| touch!
| stevekemp wrote:
| I went to the transport office and got a map of all the local
| tram routes - we hung it on the wall, and my child and I rode
| every tram from one end to the other.
|
| Took a few weeks to ride all the trams in Helsinki, and it got a
| bit boring towards the end as several tram routes terminated in
| the same location. But every tram we'd get on in the middle, ride
| to one end of the line and go out for a walk, then ride to the
| other end.
|
| Recently I suggested we do it again, as the trams have been
| renumbered a little, and there are two new lines available but
| he's lost interest. Shame, but doing the original routes was a
| lot of fun and I still have the route map on my wall along with
| the star-stickers we placed on it to mark the route numbers we'd
| completed!
| culebron21 wrote:
| Great that you posted this. I told my story of riding metro
| with my son, but only after this one un-stuck my brain to think
| of other locations in my city we could ride to, for almost
| nothing.
|
| Funnily, when I was in Helsinki, I did ride couple of trams to
| the terminus. But in my brain, this was stored in another
| department, "urban research going to the fringe". Not "going
| out with the kid".
| cpfohl wrote:
| For my middle child's 1st Birthday we realized we could give him
| everything he ever wanted for about $8. He opened a few boxes of
| bandaids, tissue boxes, and a roll of toilet paper. Played for
| hours.
| aantix wrote:
| We took our kids to Disney World once.
|
| When asked what their favorite part of the trip was, they
| responded..
|
| The hot tub.
|
| At the hotel.
|
| My kids light up the most when I am fully engaged with them,
| fully present, entertaining their ideas, and asking questions.
|
| Their favorite family trip so far? When we traveled to Arkansas
| to mine for crystals. AKA, dig in the dirt all day. They saw it
| on a YouTube video. They asked to go. So we obliged. I had never
| been to Arkansas. It's beautiful.
|
| We stayed at a resort, Diamonds Old West Cabins, with a huge
| playground outside the cabins, archery, and a bubble party every
| evening at 6 pm.
|
| They still talk about that trip.
| DowagerDave wrote:
| For our Disney(land) trip, we stayed at a motel ~ 1.5 miles
| from the park (Canadian walking distance) and the thing my kids
| LOVED was we walked by a 7-11 every day and I would buy them a
| slurpee on the morning walk to the gates. Probably $20 for the
| week (and likely not much worse for you than a typical vacation
| breakfast).
|
| The "make your own waffle" station at the included breakfast
| was also a huge hit. The park and rides were satisfactory.
| dmd wrote:
| I've taken my older daughter to Disney (World) twice now (at
| ages 7 and 9). Her absolute favorite part: riding the
| Skyliner to EPCOT. On our second trip we went an hour out of
| our way to go ride it because we weren't at a served hotel
| that time.
|
| When pressed for a favorite activity _within_ the park, it
| was "that time we ran all the way from Japan to Soarin',
| dodging people".
| monocularvision wrote:
| It's so funny you mention this.
|
| My family are pretty regular Disneyland goers. Last year we
| finally made it to Disney World for the first time.
|
| My four "kids" were between the ages of 12-23.
|
| And I think their favorite part of the trip was the
| Skyliner.
| brailsafe wrote:
| Must be from Winnipeg or something
| chazeon wrote:
| Even as an adult I enjoy time when some other person I am
| spending time with is fully engaged and fully present, I'd call
| it quality time, but it's just so rare...
| atoav wrote:
| My little brother once got a bicycle for christmas. He played
| the whole evening with the cardboard box it was in.
| torbengee wrote:
| Consider the possibility that your brother might be a cat ...
| prmoustache wrote:
| When we were kids, at some point we lived in a house whose
| garden was on top of a hill. So we would sometimes just
| look for whatever cardboard box is available and roll down
| the hill inside it.
|
| I stopped offering stuff to my kids for birthdays a long
| time ago, they got enough from uncles and aunts. I prefer
| offering "events" like going some place special. Memories
| are more important than plastic stuff.
| neura wrote:
| A pretty cool one, at that!
| drcongo wrote:
| First time I took my eldest to London Zoo, we asked her what
| her favourite part was, she said "the puddle".
| justusthane wrote:
| A few months ago, we took our year-and-a-half-old daughter to
| Belgium and Spain for two weeks. Her favorite part of the whole
| trip was seeing horses, sheep, and geese (all of which, believe
| it or not, we have here at home in Canada).
| quercusa wrote:
| When I was about seven, my sister and I were taken on a
| special trip to see the Giant Pandas at the National Zoo in
| Washington, DC. The pandas were fine, but we were
| _fascinated_ by the chipmunks running around everywhere.
| brailsafe wrote:
| As a grown ass man, I make a point of visiting zoos in
| foreign cities if I'm in a city that has one. My lady is
| never as enthusiastic, but then quickly forgets about her
| lack of enthusiasm with the first glance of a meerkat
| gk1 wrote:
| > My kids light up the most when I am fully engaged with them,
| fully present, entertaining their ideas, and asking questions.
|
| Exactly. The author didn't mention it but it's not just the bus
| ride, it's how they engaged with their daughter during that
| ride.
|
| Remember the mania over the total eclipse in April in the US? I
| took my daughter on 250-mile roadtrip to see it. The drive took
| a few hours there, then 9 (!!) hours back because of horrendous
| traffic. It could've been a tantrum-filled disaster, but I
| committed to staying upbeat and fully engaged the entire time,
| and as a result it was a fun and memorable trip we still talk
| about today.
|
| Oh and we didn't even get to see the eclipse ... 95% cloud
| coverage.
|
| So yeah step 1 is creating time + space for things like this --
| like taking a long bus ride -- but a crucial step 2 is leaning
| into it with presence and attention to your child.
| tomkaos wrote:
| I have travel entire Vietnam with people with kids. After
| seeing all the pagoda, park, cave, amusement park.. the best
| part of the travel for the kid was the pool at one hotel.
| 98codes wrote:
| I had a similar experience -- their (age 2 & 5) favorite thing?
| Was it the rides, meeting all the characters? No. The parking
| lot tram.
| desertrider12 wrote:
| Funny, this was also my favorite ride when I was 4!
| m463 wrote:
| As a kid I remember - swimming pools and any museum that had
| buttons you could press to make the displays do something.
|
| also parents have gotten rid of BB guns and fireworks!
| vharuck wrote:
| My wife remembers going to Disney World with her grandparents
| when she was 6 or so. Her fondest memories were the hotel pool
| and the lizards that lounged around it. Those poor
| grandparents. Imagine spending a lot of money and then dealing
| with a tantrum when you say "Let's go to Disney World."
| __s wrote:
| yep, my parents took my sister & I to Florida. My mother went
| with my sister to Disney World. I didn't go, I stayed back at
| the place with my father & we played marbles. I got to see a
| turtle run down a hill. Great time. Thankfully they knew
| amusement parks weren't of interest to me already from when
| we'd gone to Universal Studios & I mostly remember sitting on a
| bench
| ambientenv wrote:
| This. "My kids light up the most when I am fully engaged with
| them, fully present, entertaining their ideas, and asking
| questions."
|
| Things a screen and all the gadgets and fancy engineering in
| the world can never replace.
| theginger wrote:
| My son loves to ride a bus too, I'm not a fan, and near me buses
| are single deck, quite old and unpleasant and really quite
| expensive.
|
| I discovered they city park and ride scheme was the perfect
| solution. It's cheaper than parking in the city centre and
| unlimited bus rides to and from the centre on nice new double
| decker buses.
| xwowsersx wrote:
| This really hits home. Like everyone, I tend to fall into
| routines and get comfortable with the familiar. But having kids
| constantly pushes you out of that comfort zone because they're
| excited by things that might seem small or inconvenient to you.
| Embracing their enthusiasm is not only good for them but for you
| too. It brings some variety and breaks the routine. I always have
| to resist the urge to tell my kids, "No, we're not doing that
| because..." Just going with the flow and joining in their little
| adventures is incredibly rewarding. It's not just about making
| them happy--you gain just as much. Their joy is just the bonus.
| theflyinghorse wrote:
| Is this not an obvious "no-shit-sherlock" thing to anyone who
| ever hung out with a kid?
| jtbayly wrote:
| It's an excellent _reminder_ to anyone who ever hung out with a
| kid...
|
| Because it's easy to forget. :)
| throwanem wrote:
| I don't think there is anyone on Earth not able to work it out,
| but I know for an ironclad fact there's those who can't be
| bothered.
| abeppu wrote:
| Certainly it's true that kids can get a lot of joy out of
| something that to an adult seems really small or boring. But the
| flip side is kids can get totally emotionally distraught or
| enraged over tiny things.
|
| Are these two sides of the same coin, and come from having just a
| smaller world, where small things can feel very big to a
| developing brain? Or as an adult with a fully-formed brain and
| access to the larger world, can we separate them and find that
| kind of unrestrained joy in the small stuff without also being
| swept away by small disappointments?
| j7ake wrote:
| Yes. Basically kids can have strong emotional reactions to
| seemingly small things.
| MonkeyClub wrote:
| They naturally take all the space they can get, learning
| their limits. Issue is, they don't hear "no" often enough
| early on, to know that there are limits.
| LUmBULtERA wrote:
| >But the flip side is kids can get totally emotionally
| distraught or enraged over tiny things.
|
| Oof isn't this the truth. The tiniest things will drive my son
| into full meltdowns right now.
| Qworg wrote:
| I think many adults also get distraught or enraged by tiny
| things - it is an emotional regulation problem, not an age
| problem (but adults can and should be better than children).
| alt187 wrote:
| Curiously enough, not a lot of those adults still find joy in
| the tiny things.
| Jeremy1026 wrote:
| An analogy I've heard in the past is that emotions are like a
| button fixed in a box with a ball in it. When you're younger
| the box is smaller so the ball hits the buttons more often as
| there is less free space. As you grow, your box grows too, so
| your ball has more space in the box and more empty space on the
| walls for the ball the bounce off of, making the buttons less
| likely to be pushed.
| RobinL wrote:
| Yesterday the rain was torrential when I picked up my 5yo from
| school with my 2yo. I brought wellies and we walked up and down
| the streams of water running down the hill. The kids were more
| excited than anything we've paid for recently.
| j7ake wrote:
| The issue is you don't know which of the 0-5 dollar products to
| spend that will make them excited.
|
| A strategy is therefore to buy lots of cheap stuff and
| experiences, and let the kids have the option to choose. Then
| throw away the stuff they don't care for.
|
| If you buy expensive things, you tend to try to force that thing
| onto the kid, which can be counter productive.
| millzlane wrote:
| Pen and paper are my go-to. Throw in a "wow that's beautiful!"
| And they will draw all day.
| janalsncm wrote:
| In this case she asked to take the bus. I suppose that could've
| gone south, though. I think kids are generally delighted by
| novelty.
| brink wrote:
| I've been spending my entire adult life trying to rediscover this
| spiritual joy of being a child. I remember it so fondly. My
| daughter is about to turn 2 and I'm secretly hoping that she can
| help me find at least a little of it.
| foobarian wrote:
| A while ago I was at our patio table with my 4 year old, we
| were building a house/castle thing out of scrap cardboard. At
| one point while painting it she pauses and looks over at the
| garden/woods. I asked her what she saw, she smiled at me and
| said, "I'm just... happy." I'll never forget it :-)
| waciki wrote:
| this is beautiful, thanks for sharing.
| throw0101d wrote:
| There is no such thing as "quality time" together, there is only
| time together.
|
| Bigs things happen in the little moments, and you have to have
| those little moments for them to happen.
| criddell wrote:
| I don't know...
|
| I've been to restaurants where two adults and two kids are
| sitting at a table. The adults looking at their phones and the
| kids watching something on tablets makes for poor chances of an
| interesting little moment to happen.
| throw0101d wrote:
| When I take the subway into work, I am in the physical
| presence of other people, but am I really _with_ them?
| imp0cat wrote:
| Depends. Do you _smell_ them?
| kaustubhvp wrote:
| This kind of stuff I like reading on HN!
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| This was very sweet :') I wish my dad would have said yes to the
| train more when I was a kid. Now he's the one asking me to ride
| one.
| ada1981 wrote:
| It's as if shes hard wired for public transport in an effort to
| have a future planet to live on!
| psadri wrote:
| A reminder that $ != happiness
| krunck wrote:
| Do the things that will give your kids the greatest exposure to
| different ways of being, living, and seeing. That ain't done by
| having entrenched routines.
| criddell wrote:
| When I was five or six, my grandmother took me and my siblings on
| a train to Toronto (maybe a two hour trip) around Christmas to
| walk down some street (no idea which) and look at the Christmas
| displays in shop windows. It was all magic to me.
|
| I don't think we ever bought anything although she must have fed
| us something. It's one of my favorite memories and I still love
| trains. I'm hoping to ride Via from Toronto to Vancouver in a
| cabin car someday soon!
| canucker2016 wrote:
| If the trip happened in the past 30 years, then your family
| probably walked along the south side of Queen St, just west of
| Yonge St. at the Hudson's Bay flagship store in Toronto.
|
| as an example, see
| https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/ylxwxt/hudsons_bay...
|
| just search for "Toronto Hudson's Bay Christmas Display Window"
|
| Before then, Eaton's dept. store in the Eaton Centre, just
| north of the Queen St. Hudson's Bay store, may have had
| Christmas display windows as well.
| canucker2016 wrote:
| Google Maps Street view link of the store windows that house
| the Christmas displays leading up to Dec. 25 every year.
|
| see https://maps.app.goo.gl/ho5aM9sjaPo27bYB6
| lovegrenoble wrote:
| Lovely story
| stephen_cagle wrote:
| This sort of content feels good in the immediacy but ultimately
| lessens the quality of hn.
|
| I'm not concerned about _this_ post specifically, but I feel that
| we should be more critical of things like this making it onto hn.
| I come to hn to mostly hear about tech, tech advances, startups,
| etc. I don 't come here to read feel good (and admittedly, very
| cute) stories. They have their place, but I feel that place is
| not hn.
| millzlane wrote:
| At the risk of sounding old and cranky I'm inclined to agree
| with you. The story made me smile no doubt. But I was not
| expecting a public transportation story.
| j2bax wrote:
| Maybe a little bit of humanity and feel good is just what HN
| needs! These computers and software and such are after all
| for... humans mostly.
| millzlane wrote:
| Computer issues are easy. I could do it all day. But those
| human problems are tough to crack.
| stephen_cagle wrote:
| Maybe so, this is a public community and the community will
| decide on its own standards (as it should be). My opinions
| are my own.
|
| I can't exactly draw the line about what does belong on hn,
| but a question I sometimes ask myself is "Would I be rolling
| my eyes if I read similar content on Linkedin?" If so, I
| assume it shouldn't be on hn.
| j2bax wrote:
| I can agree that I wouldn't want to see this type of
| content take over HN... and I don't think it would. But a
| little sprinkled in seems fine.
| divbzero wrote:
| I don't mind it in small doses and trust the community to vote
| appropriately.
|
| Even the _Wall Street Journal_ has lighthearted "A-hed"
| articles, which have occupied valuable space on their front
| page for 83 years and counting.
| RandomThoughts3 wrote:
| I think the comment about the kid liking the puddle the best at
| the zoo is the best comment I have read on HN in the past
| decade.
|
| 90% of HN is off topic drivel, pointless ranting , overall
| tired and unoriginal, when it's not flat out wrong. I include
| most of my contributions in these 90%. Genuinely interesting
| contributions are then few and far between amongst the 10%
| which actually desserve to exist. If it's quality you seek, you
| can close your account right now and go do something useful
| with your time instead.
|
| At least, this post is soulful and happy.
| cloverich wrote:
| IMO the near constant dismissive, negative, and / or non-
| constructive criticism is what devalues HN. Genuine curiosity,
| sharing of contextual and tangential experiences, and
| constructive criticism are what makes it great. At its best its
| only about technology because thats where many inquisitive
| types end up.
|
| In this particular case, the spark it ignited in me and others
| was precisely that inquisitive nature - about eschewing the
| expected value in lifes activities and instead reaching for
| that inner genuine interest can turn many experienced upside
| down. Maybe in reaching too far, but that was my take away from
| it. If similar stories were reposted ad nauseum i doubt they
| would make the front page and thus for me at least i am
| unconcerned with its presence.
| pmzy wrote:
| OP here. I see where you're coming from and I even agree with
| you. I seek and like tech posts on HN.
|
| That being said, I enjoy reading (and writing) human stories as
| well! Plus, it's nice to read the many stories people are
| sharing in the comments of this post. It shows that our
| community isn't as cold/ruthless as some may think :)
| stephen_cagle wrote:
| For sure, like I said, it isn't about this (your) post. Just
| wanted to make a small amount of noise about keeping hn
| aligned with the interest I associate it with.
|
| Very cute story though, commend you for observing such truths
| in your parenting.
| jll29 wrote:
| I come to HM for technology matters, but I am genuinely
| interested to see that the many geeks here from hardware nerd
| over full-stack developer to investor or founder are all also
| human beings that have ordinary lives and ordinary problems.
|
| It is valuable content to read on HN how fellow geeks see other
| spheres of life.
| millzlane wrote:
| aww r/mademesmile
| PaulHoule wrote:
| Kids usually love taking transit.
| 8A51C wrote:
| My partner didn't drive until my daughter was 8yo. They bused
| around most places, as a result, daughter and wife now refuse
| any offer of a bus journey...
| wenc wrote:
| Forget about toys. Kids love big cardboard boxes. My nephews and
| nieces love them.
|
| I'm middle aged but I remember building so many make believe
| things out of boxes. All I needed were markers, glue and paper.
| My parents couldn't afford those mini cars so I built them
| myself. Out of boxes.
|
| A big box could be a car. Or a fort. Or a castle. Or a boat.
| forinti wrote:
| My conclusion is to do different stuff to make life less boring.
| culebron21 wrote:
| We live in a walkable part of city. In a park 1 block from our
| apartment, there are "baby trains" (small electric trains, on
| rubber wheels). They cost ~$2 for 5 minutes, plus 10 minutes of
| your kid screaming "want more". Subway in Almaty is $0.2 (for
| adult), unlimited time. So when my son was almost 2 y.o. and
| walked well, I decided to take him to the real subway instead of
| enduring that vulgarity (granted the station is just 2 blocks
| away). He loved it a lot. Shouted "too-too" when the train was
| departing. Wanted more and more. He couldn't speak then, so he
| was turning my head with his hands, to make me see the
| approaching train. Also, it was a hot sunny day of +35degC, but
| in subway, it was 10 degrees cooler. The first time, we travelled
| 1,5 hours strait, 2-3 stations back and forth. I sweated because
| I had to carry a rucksack and a 6 kg of folded stroller. But that
| was unforgettable.
| imp0cat wrote:
| I have a tip for you, if you ever visit Vienna, get a
| 24(48,72)hr unlimited ticket and spend some time on the subway
| (U-Bahn) with your kids, riding the various lines. The entire
| subway system has different trains (some more like street cars,
| some more like urban rail) and tracks run in underground
| tunnels, shallow trenches and over open ground.
| campak wrote:
| I love this story haha
| SoftTalker wrote:
| Kind if a larger lesson in this story is that kids will be
| interested in what they are interested in. Many of us here are
| like me and have made a career out of programming computers or
| related jobs. I've had three kids and not one of them is
| interested in programming, despite my attempts at encouragement.
| You can teach your kids a lot of things but they will also make
| their own path in life.
| bitbuilder wrote:
| For whatever it's worth, my dad was a programmer and spent my
| childhood doing his best to get me interested in it as well.
| But I just couldn't have cared less. I think most of us in our
| adolescent and teenage years just instinctivley feel like
| whatever our parents do must be lame and boring.
|
| During my softmore year at UIUC in '94, I finally relented to
| his endless prodding to check out this www thing he was
| rambling about, and went to a presentation by the Mosaic team
| at a building down the street from me. Needless to say, that
| changed everything, and I've been coding ever since.
|
| But I'm pretty sure it was in my DNA and it was only a matter
| of time before I admitted to myself that programming is
| actually fun as hell.
|
| I'm sure you're proud of the paths your kids have taken, but
| hey, you never know. Maybe one day they'll also admit to
| themselves that dad's hobby was actually pretty damn cool and
| give it a go too.
| herbertl wrote:
| Tangential anecdote: When I went to a buffet as a child, I loaded
| up on mashed potatoes, fries, onion rings, etc. I would be told
| by family and friends that I was effectively wrong for choosing
| those foods because seafood, meat, etc., was more expensive and
| therefore more valuable and worth choosing.
|
| I don't think that was a bad outcome necessarily, because I
| picked foods that were super unhealthy and cater to thin dopamine
| hits. But I do think the reasoning (value vs. health) was off as
| it started instilling a sense of letting perceived/imagined value
| reign over personal instincts and inclinations.
|
| Reading this felt like a call to be more present, pay more
| attention to the small things, do things for their own sake, etc.
| pbreit wrote:
| We are in progress of putting a basketball hoop at the end of our
| dead-end street and are unfortunately concerned that there are a
| handful of residents who probably don't want it. I swing back and
| forth on who I think "the bad guys" are. But I know the kids will
| love it and it will keep them off their phones.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| > "No, no don't play with the wrapping paper! Look at the truck
| vroom vroom!" to no avail. She preferred the wrapping paper.
|
| Your daughter a cat, by any chance? It's just the same with cats.
| They don't give a shit about anything you buy them, sometimes not
| even _food_ - if there 's packing peanuts, packing paper or
| Amazon cardboard boxes, that is more important.
| redleggedfrog wrote:
| I still liked riding the bus, all the way through college. I live
| in a small town now, no need to ride the bus, a bike does fine,
| but I miss it sometimes.
| EdwardCoffin wrote:
| I think the SMBC comic _Yeep_ [1] deserves mention here.
|
| [1] https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/yeep
| codingrightnow wrote:
| I took my daughter to a Broadway Disney musical. We were almost
| late so I picked her up and ran multiple packed city blocks with
| her in my arms. I think that was her favorite part, including,
| which I don't remember, running in front of a tourist taking a
| picture of a spiderman sidewalk actor and yelling "sorry" as I
| passed. We also went to Disney and her favorite thing was
| actually just going on a ride she was nervous about and feeling
| good about how brave she was.
| timzaman wrote:
| Premise of article is wrong. Kids do get excited about the same
| things as adults; novel and intriguing things within reach. These
| things just aren't exciting _any more_ to adults. That 's the
| only difference. An adult that's never been on a train, but never
| could, or was never allowed, will find it exciting too.
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