[HN Gopher] Italian Music Through the Lens of Complex Networks
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Italian Music Through the Lens of Complex Networks
Author : mikk14
Score : 95 points
Date : 2024-09-26 09:39 UTC (13 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.michelecoscia.com)
| lormayna wrote:
| As Italian I never tought about it, but it makes lot of sense
| finalfire wrote:
| I have followed this guy for some years now, and he keeps doing
| marvelous stuff on complex networks and related analysis. I
| worked on the two parts of a similar idea regarding post-rock
| music; the first part became a Medium post [1], while I never
| finished the second one (although the idea is to publish it, I
| also do research on complex networks and their analysis).
|
| [1] https://medium.com/festival-peak/exploring-the-post-rock-
| wor...
| SamBam wrote:
| Very cool. Although I wonder if the analysis really answered the
| question it set out to ask. The author's hypothesis was that the
| "entirety of contemporary Italian music rests on the shoulders of
| Gianni Maroccolo." He then tries to show this by showing who
| played music with who.
|
| I would imagine that influence could be transferred even without
| artists playing in each other's bands. I can think of plenty of
| extremely influential bands that defined the start of a whole
| genre, whose members never played in another band.
|
| But perhaps the original argument that the author was making
| _was_ that Maroccolo is important because he played with
| everyone, in which case this analysis makes sense.
|
| Anyway, cool networks.
| JohnKemeny wrote:
| Degree, closeness, and betweenness all seem like poor choices to
| make such an important decision. Why not HITS?
| foul wrote:
| You can't have a correct vision of Italian music (staying only
| on that subsubsubcategory) of the 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s and 20s
| like that, at very best you'd end up ignoring significant
| artists and whole genres.
| anigbrowl wrote:
| HITS doesn't refer to musical hit records. It's a network
| analysis technique.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HITS_algorithm
| NBJack wrote:
| I'm not certain HITS could capture what appears to be the
| temporal component of the network the author incorporates.
| JohnKemeny wrote:
| I agree that it's difficult, I don't know much about
| centrality measures for dynamic networks.
|
| However, degree sounds like a bad measure, since the value
| can be drastically increased by participating in a (few) big
| project(s).
| AStonesThrow wrote:
| In my misspent high school/college years, I was in search of very
| obscure, unpopular music, on independent and import labels. I
| began to find that much of the music that appealed to me was the
| fruit of collaboration between certain artists, producers, and
| labels. So I began to trace them out and, at that point, new
| music discovery consisted of finding brief and obscure collabs
| among the circle of artists that I was targeting.
|
| For example, The Cure was exclusively signed to Fiction Records,
| which was more or less a vanity press for them, but they indeed
| had labelmates who were really, really obscure, and could always
| be connected back to Cure personnel.
|
| It was sort of an amazing feeling, that everything was really
| interconnected in unexpected ways. In hindsight, all that music
| was a terrible influence and I was wasting time and money, but I
| also learned quite a bit about the record industry and
| collectibles, such as how to appraise the value of a piece,
| detect counterfeits vs. authentic pieces, and methods for
| archiving and preservation. My parents had collected postcards,
| stamps and other ephemera, and it sort of rubbed off on me!
| pragma_x wrote:
| The graphs here show "significant sharing of artists" as lines
| between nodes (bands at an average point in album releases). I
| like this, but I think it leaves a lot out of the overall story.
|
| It's much, much harder to compile a dataset that captures the
| path of music _influence_ as a way to measure it's impact. Yet, I
| wonder if that would look at all different? Consider the impact
| that one Giorgio Moroder had on electronic music globally, both
| in terms of "Italo Disco" and more. He's clearly in the article's
| illustrations _somewhere_, but as a solo artist and producer, may
| have few if any connections (collaborations & credits) to other
| Italian groups.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Moroder
| 31337Logic wrote:
| What a great story this project tells.
| makmanalp wrote:
| Lovely analysis, some new music for me, and love to see work from
| former colleagues get recognition - hi Michele!
| squarefoot wrote:
| I have been a big Litfiba fan during their early career and loved
| this cover of Bowie's Yassassin by them. Maroccolo was their
| bassist.
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vrp5t63K4
| NBJack wrote:
| What a fascinating dataset they've constructed. Is the network
| available for download somewhere? I didn't see anything obvious.
| wslh wrote:
| ... and Fabrizio De Andre [1][2]?
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKSkLw7YKwo
|
| [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrizio_De_Andr%C3%A9
| inquisitorG wrote:
| Great stuff. Network Backboning with Noisy Data paper that this
| is based on is even more interesting IMO.
| https://www.michelecoscia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/201...
| johanneskanybal wrote:
| It's not viagra ad $/h can the american small brain even grasp
| this type of idea?
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