[HN Gopher] 45 years ago CompuServe connected the world before t...
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       45 years ago CompuServe connected the world before the World Wide
       Web
        
       Author : ohjeez
       Score  : 112 points
       Date   : 2024-09-24 17:27 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | mattw2121 wrote:
       | I spent a lot of time, and a lot of my parent's money, on
       | Compuserve in the mid to the late eighties. For me and my best
       | friend all our time was spent in two places. First, and absolute
       | foremost, was Island of Kesmai. This game, and its graphical
       | successor Legends of Kesmai, was the stuff dreams were made of
       | for me as a kid. I still play variants of this game today. The
       | second big draw of Compuserve was "You Guessed It!". This was a
       | wacky multi-player trivia game show. My friend and I (both around
       | 13) posed as young navy fighter pilots (top gun was a thing at
       | this time). We wrote down all the questions and answers and
       | frantically looked them up in the next games.
       | 
       | Compuserve was a huge part of my life at that point in time and
       | I'm so glad it existed. I'm really glad we got away from hourly
       | charges though.
        
         | foobarian wrote:
         | Any time I get the urge to complain about my kids Roblox usage
         | I remember this ^ and bite my tongue :-)
        
         | SoftTalker wrote:
         | > The second big draw of Compuserve was "You Guessed It!"
         | 
         | LOL until I read the next sentence I thought this was a
         | reference to porn.
        
       | DavidAdams wrote:
       | For me, the interesting takeaway from this article is that
       | CompuServe started as a way for a big insurance company to
       | monetize its idle computing capacity in the off hours.
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | Famous enough to be one of the thru-lines for season 3 of Halt
         | and Catch Fire.
        
         | sillywalk wrote:
         | I believe the same is also true for GEnie.
        
       | kragen wrote:
       | 56 years ago tymshare connected the world before compuserve:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIWMvtM02NA (oral history
       | interview with my friend ann hardy, who wrote the operating
       | system that ran tymshare for many years)
       | 
       | but the more interesting systems, to my mind, were usenet (born
       | 01980) and fidonet (born 01983), because those were bottom-up,
       | federated, peer-to-peer, grassroots systems
        
         | sillywalk wrote:
         | Thanks for the link. For those who prefer to read, there is a
         | transcript[0].
         | 
         | [0]
         | https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/20...
        
           | kragen wrote:
           | thank you! i should have posted that
        
           | Animats wrote:
           | Oh, Norm Hardy's wife.
           | 
           | Tymnet was interesting. It was a virtual circuit-switched
           | system for keyboard terminals. There was a central control
           | machine, and a bunch of dumb switching nodes. The central
           | control machine (an SDS-945 originally) would set up a route
           | and send out "route channel 24 to channel 57" commands to
           | each node. The nodes just forwarded packets per the set
           | route. If the control machine went down, all routes stayed
           | working, but new ones could not be set up. There was a second
           | control machine that could take over if needed.
           | 
           | Nodes had a queue for each virtual circuit, and flow control.
           | It wasn't end to end raw packets. In the days of expensive
           | long haul bandwidth, this was essential. Pure datagram
           | networks only work because our long-haul connections today
           | have huge bandwidth. Datagram networks can't really handle
           | congestion in the middle of the network. Virtual circuit
           | networks can. Which is why, in the early 1970s, it looked
           | like virtual circuit networks were the future. Even the
           | original ARPANET had node to node flow control.
           | 
           | The Tymnet "backbone" was originally only 2400 to 4800 baud,
           | so they had major lag problems. To help with this, they used
           | local echo when possible, so local typing didn't lag. You'd
           | type in a line, and at the end of the line, the whole line
           | went across the network. The connection could shift from
           | local to remote echo seamlessly.
           | 
           | (Telnet, for the Internet, can do local echo, too, but
           | Berkeley didn't put that in their BSD Telnet, so it fell out
           | of use as network bandwidth increased. That worked in pre-BSD
           | UNET, and echo would be local until you used some program,
           | such as "vi", which enabled "raw mode".)
           | 
           | Here's a summary of the Tymnet technology.[1]
           | 
           | [1] http://cap-lore.com/Tymnet/TOCN.html
        
             | kragen wrote:
             | > _Oh, Norm Hardy 's wife._
             | 
             | she has some funny stories in that interview about people
             | saying things like that :)
             | 
             | but in this interview she's not talking about his work
             | except briefly; she's talking about her own
             | 
             | she goes into some detail on the history of the evolution
             | of the tymshare systems you're describing in that
             | interview, though not as much as i had hoped. they
             | continued evolving after la roy's article. thanks for
             | posting a link to it!
        
         | howard941 wrote:
         | Telenet as you'll recall was a competitor. I used it to get
         | into NJIT's EIES system, another terrific mulituser platform.
         | Telenet seemed to perform better than Tymnet, with less jitter.
         | 
         | Both Telenet and IIRC Tymnet were portals into The Source which
         | preceded CIS.
        
           | kragen wrote:
           | eventually there were telenet and the source, yes
        
           | newobj wrote:
           | clicked into the thread just to see if ppl mentioned tymnet
           | and telenet
           | 
           | what up fellow olds
        
             | kragen wrote:
             | today? i've been watching the sun rise, benchmarking
             | fibonacci in tcl, designing analog electronics, trying out
             | zulip, helping ukrainians build rf jammers, listening to
             | 80s music, building a database of historical bar data from
             | financial markets, and watching an episode of skibidi
             | toilet. how about you?
        
             | howard941 wrote:
             | hey there graybeard. we made it to 2024! thought I'd die
             | before I got old.
        
           | worstspotgain wrote:
           | Telenet and Tymnet were the main US X.25 networks. [1] X.25
           | was the global standard packet-switched network that preceded
           | the Internet. It was mostly B2B, as it was pay-by-the-minute
           | _plus_ pay-by-the-packet, plus of course the cost of the
           | modem phone call if any.
           | 
           | Access to some of the X.25 networks was easily hacked, as
           | there was almost no cybercrime back then outside of
           | teenagers. In some cases, there was only a logon code - no
           | password at all. I remember a network where the code was just
           | a short-ish number, so it could be easily mined via brute-
           | force search. The modem bank would disconnect you after X
           | failed attempts, but you could just dial back in right away
           | (there was no caller ID either.)
           | 
           | X.25 had hosts called Outdials in most area codes that would
           | let you make a local modem call back out for no extra charge,
           | as long as it was toll-free. [2] This was a way to avoid
           | expensive long-distance BBS calls, particularly if you were
           | using a mined X.25 logon. The latency was pretty bad but the
           | connection could be much more reliable than a modem on a
           | noisy long-distance line.
           | 
           | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.25
           | 
           | [2] https://github.com/maestron/hacking-
           | tutorials/blob/master/Ba...
        
             | icedchai wrote:
             | I got involved near the tail end of the x.25 era, over 30
             | years ago now. I remember connecting to QSD, Lutzifer, and
             | some other less well known systems. I also wrote my own
             | Telenet "war dialing" tools that would scan for other stuff
             | to connect to. Exciting times for a teenager!
        
       | stonethrowaway wrote:
       | Is there a pack of AOL, CompuServe, Prodigy, Shaw etc CDs as
       | coasters one can buy nowadays? There must be an Atari E.T.-scale
       | landfill of them somewhere. Asking for a friend.
        
         | NegativeLatency wrote:
         | I liked when they'd come on floppies. You could rewrite it
         | after taping the hole and get a free disk.
        
           | op00to wrote:
           | When I was a kid, I called up AOL and asked them for 1,000
           | floppy kits. For Reasons. They never questioned me, and they
           | were fairly reliable and I never really had to buy disks
           | again.
        
             | acheron wrote:
             | Similar story here.. At one point Intuit would send you a
             | demo of Quickbooks on 7 or so floppies, so a friend called
             | up and requested X demos and we split up the resulting
             | disks. I was still saving college papers and projects on
             | old Quickbooks disks many years later.
        
           | jll29 wrote:
           | For 5 1/4" disks, you could double capacity by using a punch
           | to cut a whole into one border and then use the back side -
           | et viola, from 140 kB to 2x 140 kB.
           | 
           | But you had better not punch into the actual magnetic floppy
           | disk inside its plastic enclosure, or you may have killed the
           | whole thing.
        
         | fecal_henge wrote:
         | I remember (AOL I think) you could request trial CDs delivered
         | to any address. No checks were made on either the name of the
         | recipient or about the quantity of disks ordered. I'm guessing
         | I was about 14.
        
           | devmor wrote:
           | Yep! I did the same thing - ordered enough of them to keep my
           | relatively destitute family online without paying an internet
           | bill.
           | 
           | Dad had to pay for a phone bill, but we got internet on top
           | of that free of charge thanks to AOL. And of course, whenever
           | we were done with one of the CDs it got taped to my bedroom
           | ceiling, reflective side down.
        
             | fecal_henge wrote:
             | Thats a productive use but we ordered hundreds of cds to
             | people we knew with profanities in the name fields.
        
       | illwrks wrote:
       | There's a great TV show called "Halt And Catch Fire" that
       | parallels the development of the tech industry, including what I
       | think may be a nod to CompuServe mentioned in the article. It's
       | only four seasons, it has some fantastic characters, excellent
       | writing and is thoroughly enjoyable. It's fresh in my mind as
       | I've only just rewatched it!
       | 
       | https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543312/
        
         | Clubber wrote:
         | I've seen it and it's good. Thanks for reminding me, I'll watch
         | it again.
        
         | EvanAnderson wrote:
         | I'd say "Mutiny" is a nod to Habitat, too.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_(video_game)
        
           | EarlKing wrote:
           | Kinda. It's sort of a mix of Habitat and
           | PlayNET/QuantumLink... more the latter than the former.
        
         | jll29 wrote:
         | I fully second that, this is a must-see for any geek, much more
         | so than e.g. War Games.
         | 
         | "Halt and Catch Fire" (HCF) often is jargon that refers to
         | documented or undocumented opcodes or code sequences that leads
         | the CPU to crash:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(computing...
         | 
         | With a hat tip to all Commodore C64/MOS650 enthusiasts, I shall
         | end this post with my favourite HCF sequence: 4C 10 7E.
         | 
         | _Happy watching!_
        
           | sillywalk wrote:
           | I recall BeOS had is_computer_on_fire()
           | 
           | double is_computer_on_fire();
           | 
           | Returns the temperature of the motherboard if the computer is
           | currently on fire. Smoldering doesn't count. If the computer
           | isn't on fire, the function returns some other value.
           | 
           | ( https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-
           | docs/bebook/TheKernelKit_Sys...)
        
           | kragen wrote:
           | not 'crash', which for computers refers to a temporary halt
           | to operations which can be resumed by rebooting. an hcf is
           | more like a car crash: something that physically damages the
           | processor. like, if you have a microcontroller with four pins
           | wired together to give you more drive current, if you drive
           | two of them low and two high, you are likely to have an hcf
        
       | albeebe1 wrote:
       | The first $5 i ever made online was on Compuserve. I was walking
       | home from school (i think 1994) and i found a used Boston Bruins
       | ticket stub on the ground. I put it on the classifieds section
       | and sold it. The buyer sent me a $5 bill in the mail.
        
         | meow_catrix wrote:
         | Cheap alibi
        
       | op00to wrote:
       | I can still remember my CompuServe ID. I wonder why they had the
       | curious pattern of xxxxx,xxx.
       | 
       | I miss Prodigy as well. Both excellent services in different
       | ways.
        
         | mattw2121 wrote:
         | As far as I know, the ID was reflective of the user ID format
         | for the PDP-10's it ran on.
        
         | JonAtkinson wrote:
         | My Compuserve username is permanently burned into my brain:
         | 100131,756. And my password was the wonderfully evocative
         | "spite:ambush".
        
           | howard941 wrote:
           | Username, yes, 75006,702. But not the password. It was a
           | decent password though. I didn't pick it.
        
         | TheOtherHobbes wrote:
         | Compuserve ran on DEC PDP-10s. The login ID format on TOPS-10
         | was programmer#,project# (octal).
        
         | kmoser wrote:
         | Still have this info kicking around on my computer:
         | COMPUSERVE:       Modem: (800) FINDCIS  [host name = "phone"]
         | Phone: (800) 848-8990  [tech support]              (800)
         | 848-8199  Sales (toll-free) 8am-10pm M-F              (617)
         | 457-0802  Sales (direct)         BBS: (212) 608-6021  [local
         | NYC access number]
        
       | rmason wrote:
       | Bought my first PC and ordered it with a brand new 'high speed'
       | 1200 baud modem specifically so I could join CompuServe. It was
       | my introduction to a new online world and I never regretted it.
        
       | timr wrote:
       | For years, there was a Commodore 64 in COSI (the science museum)
       | in Columbus, OH, connected to CompuServe. I was fascinated with
       | that thing as a kid -- it was this window into a parallel world
       | that I didn't really understand, but immediately understood in a
       | sort of a Snow Crash way. Looking back, it's quaint, but such a
       | harbinger of the future!
        
         | supportengineer wrote:
         | I feel like that was better than what we have now.
        
       | icedchai wrote:
       | CompuServe was the first system I called when I got a modem, back
       | in 1987. I remember being amazed by their multi-user CB chat.
       | Eventually, I found some local BBSes and stopped calling...
        
       | sandymcmurray wrote:
       | You paid by the minute to connect to CompuServe. I eventually
       | found free software - shared in the CompuServe forums - that
       | would dial up, collect messages from threads you had marked
       | offline, then hang up your modem so you could read and reply at
       | your leisure. This was my first exposure to shareware and a huge
       | $$ saving. I contacted the developer and offered to pay him for
       | this and he replied with, "No thanks. Just pay it forward." A
       | couple of great lessons there.
        
         | SpaceNoodled wrote:
         | Do you recall who that was? Name & fame?
        
           | rqtwteye wrote:
           | I think I had a software called wigwam.
        
         | cdchn wrote:
         | A lot of BBSes especially those that had FidoNet or similar
         | distributed message boards let you download all the message
         | boards as QWK packets and software like Blue Link and others.
         | It was a great feature. Reading/replying to boards offline was
         | a much nicer experience, in addition to the cost savings.
         | 
         | EDIT: and as another bit of random trivia the guy who invented
         | QWK format died of a heart attack after being swatted by an 18
         | year old who was after his @Tennessee twitter username.
        
           | cbozeman wrote:
           | > DIT: and as another bit of random trivia the guy who
           | invented QWK format died of a heart attack after being
           | swatted by an 18 year old who was after his @Tennessee
           | twitter username.
           | 
           | That username should be permanently retired and the 18 year
           | old prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for crimes
           | which the law would or could hold him or her accountable.
        
             | cdchn wrote:
             | The swatter got 5 years in prison. The maximum allowed by
             | law. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/07/serial-swatter-
             | who-cause...
        
             | mmmlinux wrote:
             | Only got 5 years for that and a number of other similar
             | harassment related incidents.
        
           | loloquwowndueo wrote:
           | Was it Blue link or Blue Wave?
           | 
           | A lot of us used SLMR (silly little mail reader) instead as
           | it was cheaper than blue wave.
        
             | cdchn wrote:
             | Blue Wave it was. There was another one I think it was
             | QWKlink or something, too.
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | Even free/subscription BBSs often involved pretty expensive
           | per-minute phone charges. Intrastate in the US could actually
           | cost _more_ than interstate. Phone calls were expensive
           | historically. Maybe more than $1 /minute except for _very_
           | local in today 's currency.
           | 
           | Compuserve also had different rates depending on the baud
           | rate you connected at.
           | 
           | Having a computer and getting online was a pretty expensive
           | hobby in the 80s and early 90s.
        
             | kragen wrote:
             | intracity was usually free though in the us
        
               | ghaff wrote:
               | It was not in the period I'm talking about. Your local
               | calling area--maybe some adjacent exchanges/towns--was
               | free but for me to call Boston from about an hour west
               | was decidedly not free in the late 80s. Mileage may have
               | varied of course.
               | 
               | And when cellular came in, I deliberately picked an area
               | code based on the people I was most likely to call.
        
               | kragen wrote:
               | right, late 80s. where i lived at the time (albuquerque
               | or socorro) the local calling area was a whole city or
               | group of nearby towns, but if you were to drive in any
               | direction for an hour you'd be out in the middle of the
               | wilderness, so it doesn't sound like your situation was
               | actually different
        
               | ghaff wrote:
               | At the time I was in a reasonably far out suburb and
               | there really weren't local BBSs of note. Certainly not
               | wilderness but close to an hour out of Boston. May have
               | been a couple of local BBSs but they'd have been one or
               | two line operations.
        
               | kragen wrote:
               | yeah, almost all were in albuquerque
        
               | EarlKing wrote:
               | It really depended on the era and what area you were in.
               | After the breakup of the Bell System, flat-rate areas
               | (Zone 1 calling) spread across the RBOCs, but ultimately
               | that still meant that metropolitan areas tended to
               | benefit more than rural areas. The SF Bay Area was a
               | prime example of this where the East Bay arguably had one
               | of the best LATAs around that could reach dozens of
               | bulletin boards.
               | 
               | Hopefully more Fidonet archives turn up in the coming
               | years so people can understand what things were like back
               | then. Ditto Compuserve... which, if I understand
               | correctly, a large collection of documents relating
               | thereto was acquired by the Internet Archive and awaits
               | processing.
        
               | kragen wrote:
               | even in albuquerque i could reach dozens of bbses though
        
           | kragen wrote:
           | also fidonet itself worked like this; at mail hour, or when
           | you asked it to, your node would dial up other nodes to
           | exchange mail with them. you could set up a 'point' that was
           | like a mini-node, not listed in the node list, that only
           | talked to one full-fledged node.
        
           | andrelaszlo wrote:
           | > the guy who invented QWK format died of a heart attack
           | after being swatted by an 18 year old who was after his
           | @Tennessee twitter username.
           | 
           | Very sad story. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/07/serial-
           | swatter-who-cause...
        
             | buildsjets wrote:
             | Sounds like the criminal was due to be released recently.
             | 
             | https://x.com/textfiles/status/1782588930535150067
        
         | chgs wrote:
         | In the U.K. you paid by the minute for phone calls too. That's
         | on top of tue per minute compuserve charge and the monthly
         | charge.
         | 
         | While the extra charges ok top of the phone we're slowly
         | removed, the genral per monute phone costs remained well into
         | the late 90s and the gradual rollout of broadband (512k adsl)
        
         | onemoresoop wrote:
         | I remember those times as well, I remember using Listserv quite
         | a bit, sending the Listserv commands while offline, composing
         | emails/replying to emails and then connecting briefly to the
         | mail server. And yes, the phone was paid by the minute, it
         | wasn't very cheap so I'd try to lower the usage as much as I
         | could. And then there were the BBS-es where I'd spend the time
         | limit (I think it was 30 minutes) when I could find a line that
         | wasn't busy...
        
         | kmoser wrote:
         | I discovered that if you were still connected when your account
         | expired, you wouldn't get kicked off. I remember connecting
         | just before the end of a trial period and staying up into the
         | wee hours (well past the 12 midnight expiration time)
         | downloading tons of Commodore 64 sound files.
        
       | genericacct wrote:
       | they can be credited with inventing e-commerce imho...
        
         | jasonjayr wrote:
         | It is mindblowing just how much Prodigy ( Sears, IBM, CBS)
         | fumbled before Amazon (and others) climbed it's way to the
         | ecommerce throne:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(online_service)
         | 
         | Sears had the logistics, the mail-order catalog, the retail
         | partnerships, IBM had the tech stack, and they put this all
         | together in the _80s_.
        
           | mopenstein wrote:
           | I thought about Sears and Montgomery Wards catalog business
           | and how they shuttered it in favor of storefronts in malls
           | and shopping centers. Had they held out another decade or so,
           | they'd have been in the perfect position to dominate online
           | commerce.
        
         | kragen wrote:
         | that was probably tymshare too
        
       | fractallyte wrote:
       | My CompuServe email address is still working!
        
       | miki123211 wrote:
       | Compulserve was the first Walled garden.
       | 
       | I find it very interesting that we went from people mostly being
       | on Compulserve, to AOL, to Yahoo and the concept of integrated
       | portals, to a bunch of small websites strewn around the internet,
       | and then back to a few social networks. All that happened
       | organically, with no antitrust scrutiny or regulatory changes
       | (beyond the commercialization of the internet) that I know of.
        
         | hollerith wrote:
         | My guess is that a big part of why the social networks took
         | over as much as they have is that the average non-technical
         | person did not _like_ the thousands of small web sites: every
         | web site is a snowflake, and if you _make_ web sites for a
         | living, then the differences between them tend to be
         | interesting, but to the average non-technical person, the
         | differences tend to be confusing or at least a little
         | distracting or annoying, is my guess.
        
           | EarlKing wrote:
           | It's a combination of things really. Part of it was not being
           | able to discover new content (Google notwithstanding, since
           | Google is good for finding things when you know what you
           | want, while social media feeds you things you didn't even
           | know you wanted). The other part was not being able to talk
           | back or otherwise iterate on what people had published in a
           | way that others could see it easily. Finally, it comes down
           | to money... people wanted to make money and social media (and
           | yes, I count Youtube among social media in its earliest
           | incarnation) made it a lot easier to do that.
           | 
           | Despite this, people are departing existing aggregators and
           | social media for SIGs to get around the spam, the screeching,
           | and general annoyance... so we're probably going to see a
           | more balanced network over the next decade... because making
           | money isn't everything.
        
       | dctoedt wrote:
       | I hadn't thought about my CompuServe ID in many years and wasn't
       | sure I remembered it, but Google-searching it revealed exactly
       | one hit, with three mentions, the first being from January 1990,
       | when I uploaded something: "EMACS keyboard mapping for Word
       | Perfect 5.x. Not complete implementation; please pass along any
       | enhancements you make. Freeware - no warranties, no royalties,
       | enjoy."
       | 
       | http://annex.retroarchive.org/cdrom/640_studio_ii/INFO/IBMAP...
        
       | jalk wrote:
       | Was it connecting the world 45 years ago, or was it just the US
       | and perhaps Canada?
        
       | harrisonpage wrote:
       | 76424,1020
        
       | bongothrowaway wrote:
       | My father used the CB simulator, but I was more inclined to use
       | the chat features they added to the popular forums. I met my
       | partner of more than 25 years in one of those. Good memories.
        
       | mannyv wrote:
       | 70365,1426
        
       | ncrtower wrote:
       | 75160,3375 was my ID. It was like magic, connecting over POTS
       | through a burbling modem to a massively powerful mainframe.
        
       | whyenot wrote:
       | It used to be $6/hour (adjust for inflation, would now be about
       | $18/hr). How do I know this? Because as a teenager, my dad let me
       | use his account to play a multiplayer game called Island of
       | Kesmai that was available through CompuServe, and I ended up
       | putting hundreds of dollars on his credit card (and got in a lot
       | of trouble). I worked as a page at my local public library in
       | order to make enough money that I could pay him back, which
       | itself led to a life-long love of books and reading. In the end,
       | it was an important life lesson about moderation and personal
       | responsibility.
       | 
       | Competitors to CompuServe were even more expensive. GEnie was
       | $9/hr, and Byte Information Exchange (BIX) was $12, and I think
       | at the start was even higher.
        
         | SapporoChris wrote:
         | If I recall correctly it was $6/hour during their off times.
         | Which was after hours on weekdays, weekends and holidays.
         | During the work day I think it was $30 dollars.
        
           | whyenot wrote:
           | I don't remember that part, but I guess it was a good thing I
           | was in school during work hours.
        
         | ryanstewart wrote:
         | Thanks for sharing this story. Similar situation, but I think
         | Compuserve had moved to monthly billing at that point, so this
         | was about dial-up access. We lived in Wyoming and there wasn't
         | a local Compuserve number for us to dial into, so we had to use
         | a 1-800 number that charged by the time you used it. The first
         | month we had access, I would sneak downstairs most nights and
         | dial in to play around. I don't remember what I had to do to
         | work off the bill, but my parents were not happy. It helped
         | start me on a path to a tech career, though.
        
       | asdefghyk wrote:
       | Compuserve Magazine - only 19 issues at
       | https://archive.org/details/compuservemagazine Seems very low
       | number - I thought it was published for much longer .....?
        
       | neallindsay wrote:
       | Even though CompuServe was mostly gone by the time I moved here,
       | its influence on the Columbus tech scene is still felt. You can
       | draw lots of fuzzy cause-and-effect lines from Compuserve to the
       | huge data center boom we are having right now.
        
       | wkat4242 wrote:
       | Well, America mostly. It was available in Holland but nobody used
       | it because it was too expensive and American-centric. And we
       | didn't like big companies here back then (I wish we still didn't
       | but Holland has become very neoliberal)
       | 
       | They used to stick free installer CDs in every computer magazine
       | but the takeup was really low.
       | 
       | Fidonet was way more popular here. And in France minitel but it
       | was a bit of an outlier in Europe.
        
       | jimmar wrote:
       | CompuServe was my first experience connecting to the online
       | world. I remember the "free parts" and the "per minute charge"
       | parts. Young me thought that if I stayed in the "per minute
       | charge" areas less than 60 seconds, it was free. It was not, and
       | dad raised his eyebrows at the bill I generated that month.
        
       | EMM_386 wrote:
       | British Legends
       | 
       | I was obsessed with that MUD on CompuServe.
       | 
       | My father had a second phone line at home for work and I'd log in
       | on that line.
       | 
       | Then the bill came in. Something ridiculous for at the time.
       | Hundreds of dollars.
       | 
       | He walks in and says "do you use ... CompuServe?".
       | 
       | "Yes, I like this game that it has"
       | 
       | "Ok, sorry but you can't play that game anymore"
       | 
       | Oh well.
       | 
       | So later I went on to run a dual-node BBS and I could play
       | TradeWars. Not quite the same. Still was cool.
        
       | homarp wrote:
       | For example Fractint was first developed on compuserve by the
       | "stone soup group"
       | https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13117834-200-review-f...
        
       | ergonaught wrote:
       | I first got online with CompuServe, on a Vic 20 (22 column
       | screen), in the early 80s. Still have quite positive memories of
       | my time there, before I discovered the local BBS scene and all
       | that came out of that.
        
       | gandalfian wrote:
       | Always find it weird that we rejected compuserve and AOL yet
       | ended up all using Facebook....
        
       | threeio wrote:
       | god explaining how much I racked up with CompuServe to my parents
       | was hard as a kid... and then long distance later on when I found
       | a free unix shell I could connect into.. ahhhh those were the
       | days :)
        
       | Jemm wrote:
       | Damn CompuServe took so much of my income.
        
       | wrs wrote:
       | I used to make my own plane reservations using the CompuServe
       | SABRE gateway. Normal people just couldn't comprehend this.
       | 
       | (At that time, youngsters, the normal thing was to use a travel
       | agent because the only other way to compare fares was to call
       | each airline individually on the phone. The agent did this using
       | their very expensive SABRE terminal.)
        
       | doublerabbit wrote:
       | I never had internet until I was 13, 2000, but CompuServ was
       | always bundled with the Windows 95 companion disc with the game
       | Hover!
       | 
       | While I could never connect to; however you could launch the
       | browser GUI of buttons upon buttons which always left me excited.
       | 
       | The days where you were excited to get a 512mb memory stick for
       | xmas or a new graphics card are long gone, it's sad now that
       | technology nowadays are just a rehash.
       | 
       | There was always something special about AGP but maybe because
       | i'm an adult rather than an edgy teen it's just not the same.
       | 
       | Surprised my boss at work today when I told him I wanted to work
       | on the Solaris boxes.
        
       | DaoVeles wrote:
       | I have been trying to find an article I saw years ago that I have
       | not been able to find since. It was about the folks who are
       | trying to grab as much of the stored CompuServe data from peoples
       | computers. It cached some of its stuff on the HDD and they are
       | hoping that get as much of it as possible before it hits the
       | rubbish tip or the drives die.
        
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