[HN Gopher] The Miraculous Resurrection of Notre-Dame
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The Miraculous Resurrection of Notre-Dame
Author : divbzero
Score : 45 points
Date : 2024-09-18 04:41 UTC (3 days ago)
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| cmpalmer52 wrote:
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| littlestymaar wrote:
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| thrance wrote:
| As a parisian, I'm still a bit sad the conservative opinion won
| and that the roof was rebuilt exactly as it was before the fire.
|
| It wasn't even the original roof! It was rebuilt with little
| concern over faithfulness to what existed before, not two
| centuries ago by Viollet le Duc.
|
| After the fire, they were some neat proposals for a glass roof,
| or some wild ideas like a walkable, vegatalized one. But even
| without going there, nowadays it seems like old stone is sacred
| and we can't touch it anymore, ever.
|
| We would never have had the glass pyramid in front of the Louvres
| or the Eiffel Tower with this mentality.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| I'm really glad de didn't go for the monstrosities that where
| proposed after the fire.
|
| I'm was not against making something new (like what Violet le
| Duc did), but everything was so lazy and dull I'm really glad
| they got dismissed.
|
| > We would never have had the glass pyramid in front of the
| Louvres
|
| This is big misunderstanding: the glass pyramid wasn't built by
| replacing parts of the Louvre: it was built in place of the
| _parking lot_ of the ministry of Finances! (And yet, to say it
| was controversial back then is a massive understatement)
|
| Also Parisians now aren't against new things, we've been
| numerous to sign a petition to make the Olympic flame aerostat
| a permanent feature of the city.
| thegrim33 wrote:
| I mean you're entitled to your opinion but I'm not sure I can
| really understand this one. Should the Romans build a nice
| glass dome over the colosseum, maybe rebuild part of it with
| steel? What about the parthenon? I'm fine with building new
| stuff in new styles, but would rather we preserve historical
| works the best we can.
| seszett wrote:
| It's a bit different I think because the roof itself was
| never "preserved the best we can", it's "just" a sort of
| fantasy roof built at a time when Violet le Duc rebuilt many
| monuments using his imagination and fantasy with little
| historical basis.
|
| I can't really say which would be best myself, but the point
| is since the roof is already the not historical part of the
| cathedral, it makes little sense to rebuild it exactly in
| that precise not historical way. Instead, it could keep being
| the one evolving part of the building.
| thrance wrote:
| Yeah, you have the right to your opinion too, and you're
| clearly in the majority so I respect that.
|
| The last time Notre-Dame was rebuilt, by Viollet le Duc, it
| had been left in ruins for over a century and was redesigned
| as an idealized version of what it never was. So we are only
| preserving this version of the past by rebuilding it this
| way.
|
| Also, a glass dome over the collosem would be _hideous_ ,
| which I think is reason enough not to do it :)
| ccppurcell wrote:
| I don't think it's obvious what it means to preserve
| historical works. A really clear example of my point is the
| Cerne Abbas Giant, a chalk figure on a hill in England. For a
| long time the idea was to try to leave it untouched. Adding
| chalk was seen as something like touching up the mona Lisa.
| But it was in danger of being lost and if memory serves it
| was discovered that when it was made people would refresh the
| chalk regularly. It's inherent to the work that it is
| maintained.
|
| Let's say this giant is at one end of the spectrum, and the
| Mona Lisa is at the other. Its subjective where you place
| cathedrals, but certainly the builders intended it to be an
| operational building, and throughout its history there have
| been additions and modifications.
| BrandoElFollito wrote:
| Notre Dame had multiple accidents over the centuries. Every
| time something was rebuilt there was a war against changes.
| And yet many things changed - what you see is not what it
| looked like before the incident.
|
| What exactly is different this time so that we do not leave a
| piece of contemporary history in Notre Dame?
|
| Context: French, huge amateur of Middle Ages history.
| majormajor wrote:
| Historically the answer was "yes, rebuild the Colosseum with
| different materials," it's not just a modern thing. The
| desire to make it more original is stronger now than ever
| before in many places IMO.
| failbuffer wrote:
| My cynical take (as an American) is that anything but the
| previous design would have been subject to politicization and
| protracted decision-making. Donors would have been more fickle,
| stakeholder groups would have mushroomed, and reconstruction
| probably wouldn't have even started yet. From a project
| management standpoint, the decision to keep it the same was as
| absolute win.
| thrance wrote:
| Yes for sure, I never had much hope for any kind of change
| because of the reasons you gave. I think it's quite telling
| of our time how we cling to some idealized idea of the past.
| samatman wrote:
| As a resident, your opinion trumps mine. But mine is that the
| Louvres would be much nicer without that pyramid. I don't care
| for the aesthetics of it, nor the mentality it represents.
| bane wrote:
| I'm really torn on the movement the Pyramid seems to have
| started. I absolutely hate how obstructionist it is presented
| at the Louvre - annihilating every sight line and demanding
| everybody pay attention to what's basically just a covered
| escalator to some ticket booths.
|
| But on the other hand I'm totally unbothered by the Royal
| Ontario Museum, or the big symbolic "wave" crashing down on a
| Japanese colonial building that makes up the shape of Seoul
| city hall, or the Union of Romanian Architects building.
|
| and I'm in love with the L'Ecole de Musique et de Theatre in
| Louviers because it was used to extend and enhance the beauty
| of the original.
|
| Basically, it can go really wrong or really right.
|
| We _know_ that the previous construction of the Notre-Dame was
| beautiful, but we don 't know what kind of nonsense we could
| end up with with some really over eager starchitect trying to
| make a point.
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