[HN Gopher] macOS Sequoia is available today
___________________________________________________________________
macOS Sequoia is available today
Author : mfiguiere
Score : 283 points
Date : 2024-09-16 19:37 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.apple.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.apple.com)
| andreicek wrote:
| I updated, and my whole Elixir/JS setup works like before.
|
| I like that they _finally_ added window snapping to the window
| manager, but keyboard shortcuts are still missing from what I can
| see.
|
| Edit: it is possible! take a look at this Reddit post for a
| workaround
| https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOS/comments/1dcy6l2/comment/lax9...
| ang_cire wrote:
| That'll take another 5 years
| theshrike79 wrote:
| Keyboard shortcuts are either a simple Hammerspoon script or
| Magnet/Rectangle installation away.
| stetrain wrote:
| There are keyboard shortcuts:
|
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/09/macos-15-sequoia-the...
| pixelbyindex wrote:
| I have been using a little app called Rectangle[1] for years
| now, and it solves every possible window positioning need I
| have ever had. No ads, no cost.
|
| As far as the conversation goes, 1st party implementation by
| Apple would be nice and all, but 3rd party doesn't bother me in
| the slightest. (at least in this case)
|
| [1] https://rectangleapp.com/
| andreicek wrote:
| I was/am a rectangle pro user!
| modeless wrote:
| Window tiling! If you drag a single window to the top does it
| maximize, and unmaximize when you drag it away? That's been my
| most wanted feature in macOS since forever (yes I have tried the
| third party ones).
|
| I don't really care about tiling multiple windows, but I've
| always hated the macOS full screen behavior, and before that the
| old green button behavior, so an alternative that finally works
| well (the way Windows has for many years) would be amazing.
| cloudking wrote:
| Is it better than Swish? I recently discovered this and it's
| game changing for trackpad users
| https://highlyopinionated.co/swish/
| modeless wrote:
| That does look pretty cool. Unfortunately my experience with
| third party window management features has been bad.
| mm263 wrote:
| Long time Swish user - I think it's pretty good, unlike
| other solutions I tried
| JoBrad wrote:
| Have been using Rectangles for a while. I like Swish's tiling
| options, though! I'll have to give it a try.
| AndrewSwift wrote:
| Note that you can option double click the corner of a window to
| make it fill the screen.
|
| I realize that this isn't what you're asking, but it might
| help.
| tpmoney wrote:
| You can also double click the title bar to expand to fill the
| screen, and double click it again to return to the previous
| size. One caveat to this is if your application saves window
| sizes on close and you close with a full screen window and
| re-open, it won't shrink again because the "original size"
| was full screen when the window was opened
| JoBrad wrote:
| Setting the "Double-click a window's title bar" action to
| Zoom just fills the vertical space. It doesn't adjust the
| width to fill available space, which is usually what I
| want. Finder, as an example, almost never sets the width to
| something usable.
| tpmoney wrote:
| True, it would be more accurate to say that what "zoom"
| is designed to do is expand the window as much as
| possible to display all the content, however the
| application defines that. For many applications, the
| result is a fully maximized window. On my MBA, Notes,
| Messages, Calendar, iTerm, Solvspace, and Mail all just
| fill the screen. For other applications that report
| specific content area to the OS that can mean something
| different. A finder window generally reshapes to show all
| the icons in icon view, or to maximize columns and names
| in list view.
| drewolbrich wrote:
| I didn't know about this one, thank you for posting.
|
| Also, on most windows, you can option-click the green window
| bar button and get this same behavior. However, some apps,
| like Safari, will instead expand the window to "a reasonably
| large size" that will not necessarily cover the whole screen.
| lorddumpy wrote:
| Had to make an account just to say thanks! You literally
| solved one of my biggest gripes with macOS. This site
| honestly feels like the internet of the late aughts' last
| bastion. I think I'll stick around.
| bbor wrote:
| Welcome :) there's a neat guidelines page if you haven't
| seen it: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| and endless compilations of old posts, such as
| https://github.com/cjbarber/ToolsOfTheTrade
| aeturnum wrote:
| We may actually be seeing the moment where Moom[1] is no longer
| an essential OS X app. It can solve both window tiling and the
| "maximize problem" on mac and has been my first install for
| many years. Here's to hoping that Apple can get one basic OS
| feature right once.
|
| [1] https://manytricks.com/moom/
| wilg wrote:
| I wish I could set the macOS one to allow me to have 1/3 on
| the left and 2/3 on the right.
| torstenvl wrote:
| Rectangle does thirds with ctrl+opt+D/F/G and two-thirds
| with ctrl+opt+E/T
| philistine wrote:
| There are so many totally invisible third-party apps that
| do exactly that.
| seemaze wrote:
| The 'cycle' option in Rectangle.app allows just this. I use
| the hotkey(s) + bracket keys to cycle 1/3, 1/2, 2/3 screen
| windows justified left or right, and the hotkey + pipe key
| to cycle center justified.
|
| These three shortcuts are embarrassingly effective and
| cover 99% of my window tiling. Others include the standard
| hotkey(s) + return for fullscreen and hotkey(s) + backspace
| for the previous window size..
| torstenvl wrote:
| I don't know which ones you've tried, but the most popular ones
| (Magnet and Rectangle) have worked perfectly for me for years.
| I routinely forget that I have Rectangle installed.
| z5h wrote:
| I have to use XQuartz for some apps I run in macOS. Magnet
| (and other apps I've tried) don't understand those windows.
| ShiftIt does, but it's buggy and no longer maintained.
| chrisweekly wrote:
| I've been happy with Divvy for many years. It's not
| autotiling but the one-time config setup is intuitive after
| which my kbd shortcuts put things exactly where I want em, so
| I hardly ever think about it.
| skzv wrote:
| I've been happily using Magnet for a long time for this
| purpose. Good window tiling is critical when working on a 57"
| monitor...
| adamesque wrote:
| Magnet is great, with very good sane default keybindings so
| you can just install and go.
| rpastuszak wrote:
| Hm, I've been really happy with Rectangle
| (https://rectangleapp.com) and its shortcuts have become second
| nature to me, but if the native version is equally keyboard
| friendly I might give it a go.
|
| (btw, have you tried Rectangle and if so - what didn't you
| like?)
|
| (Not affiliated with it, just a happy user)
| skydhash wrote:
| Rectangle is as mandatory on macOS as VLC was on windows.
| NetOpWibby wrote:
| PresButan is mandatory for me on macOS so I can make the
| Delete/Backspace key delete files.
| agys wrote:
| Genuine q: is cmd-backspace too much? I'm in general
| pretty satisfied with the Finder keyboard
| navigation/editing. Especially with "enter" for rename,
| copy/paste/cut/move and deletion too...
| JoBrad wrote:
| I never understood the enter for rename shortcut. People
| open (or "execute", which is the general understanding of
| the action for the "enter" key) files far more than they
| rename them.
| jwells89 wrote:
| It makes sense if one considers the angle of how single-
| key shortcuts are much more disaster-prone.
|
| For example, if the user has a large number of files
| selected and accidentally triggers the open shortcut by
| hitting enter, their computer is going to be stuck
| spinning its wheels for a while (the more files involved
| and the heavier the applications they open in, the worse
| it'll be) unless they force restart. Involving a modifier
| key filters for intention pretty well, and so while this
| scenario is possible with [?]O, it's far less likely.
|
| Most Mac shortcuts seem to follow this, with those that
| are single-key by default doing relatively harmless and
| easily reversible things.
| tivert wrote:
| > It makes sense if one considers the angle of how
| single-key shortcuts are much more disaster-prone.
|
| > ...
|
| > Most Mac shortcuts seem to follow this, with those that
| are single-key by default doing relatively harmless and
| easily reversible things.
|
| The enter-to-rename behavior has been in Mac OS since
| near the beginning, when versions were just named
| something like "System N.M").
|
| IIRC, I've heard they had very detailed UI design
| documents back then, that explained their choices (e.g.
| I've heard they explained the reason for the menu bar
| being at the top of the screen rather than the top of a
| window was the cursor will just stop there, requiring
| less mousing precision).
|
| So if that's the case, there should be documents
| confirming or denying your speculation.
| dkga wrote:
| Thank you, now I finally understand why the difference
| between "enter" and cmd+O!
| Cockbrand wrote:
| The Mac didn't have a CLI in the first 16 years or so, so
| there's no traditional "execute" meaning for the Enter
| key. I'd argue that the thought here was that by pressing
| that key, you'd want to _enter_ a new name for the
| selected file.
| hoistbypetard wrote:
| That's not a bad thought, but traditiona Mac keyboards
| didn't even have an "enter" key. (And nor do their
| current tenkeyless ones.) They just had a "return" key.
| The "enter" key only came around when the 10-key numpad
| was introduced, and it gave a different key code than the
| return key (which lives/lived where "enter" lives on PC
| keyboards).
|
| I don't recall whether "enter" renamed files, and I can't
| check whether it does at the moment because all my mac
| keyboards within reach are tenkeyless, but "return"
| always has.
| mrkstu wrote:
| Just checked- both 'enter' and 'return' active the rename
| action.
| NetOpWibby wrote:
| Yes, it is too much. I've spent 20 years deleting by
| pressing one button. Why require two?
| pcl wrote:
| In order to not accidentally delete something, IMO.
| NetOpWibby wrote:
| Cmd+Z
| revscat wrote:
| The macOS behavior has been the way it is for I believe
| 30 years, perhaps longer. Im not sure where your
| expectation of changing this comes from.
| NetOpWibby wrote:
| Who said I expected macOS to change?
|
| _I_ am not changing, so that 's why I install an
| additional app.
| Geezus_42 wrote:
| I have been using Amethyst and like it.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| If you hold option while dragging the window, yes. Otherwise
| dragging the window to the top of the screen is the method of
| moving it between spaces (e.g. separate desktop workspaces).
| cityzen wrote:
| Raycast has window management and it has been amazing. Very
| easy to move windows between displays and different
| configurations of window size and placement.
| dbbk wrote:
| It maximises, but slightly smaller than full maximisation,
| which is driving me crazy. Eg there's a 30px or so gap, and if
| you double tap the chrome it fills the remaining space.
| argsnd wrote:
| In the settings you can turn off this margin
| benbristow wrote:
| Windows 7 only had that since 2009... better late than never I
| suppose!
| xhkkffbf wrote:
| Didn't the original Windows 1 put all of the windows in
| tiles?
|
| Here's an image from a history:
|
| https://money.cnn.com/gallery/technology/2015/06/22/history-.
| ..
| benbristow wrote:
| I meant more the drag to snap, but good point!
|
| Not sure if MacOS has had that in the past though...
| justincormack wrote:
| Because Apple had a patent on overlapping AFAIK.
| dkga wrote:
| Thanks for this! By the way, does anyone know anyone of the
| icon designers of Windows 3, 3.1? I would be very happy to
| meet them or know more about them. For some reason I'm
| still fascinated with those icons even after all those
| years.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| Susan Kare, who designed many of the original Macintosh's
| graphical elements, also designed many of Windows 3.x's
| icons.
|
| https://www.famousgraphicdesigners.org/susan-kare
| addandsubtract wrote:
| BetterTouchTool has a window tiler built in, too.
| herpdyderp wrote:
| BetterTouchTool used to be a mandatory install for every Mac
| for me. Unfortunately, at some point it started putting all
| my screens to sleep a few times a day. I have no idea why,
| and it persisted across multiple devices. I switched to
| Magnet once I narrowed the issue to BetterTouchTool.
| tengwar2 wrote:
| I really hope not. I found that intensely annoying on Windows.
| deergomoo wrote:
| > the old green button behavior
|
| It annoys the _hell_ out of me that there's never been an
| option to invert this. I actually like the old size-to-fit
| behaviour and I never ever want the iOS-style full screen, I
| don't want to have to hold Option to get what was once the
| default behaviour.
| rcarmo wrote:
| FYI, I maintain a list of more sophisticated window management
| tools at https://taoofmac.com/space/apps/window_managers
| jjice wrote:
| > With many of the Apple Intelligence models running entirely on
| device, as well as the introduction of Private Cloud Compute --
| which extends the privacy and security of Apple devices into the
| cloud to unlock even more intelligence -- Apple Intelligence
| introduces an extraordinary step forward for privacy in
| artificial intelligence.
|
| They've said this in every mention of Apple AI since the WWDC,
| but they haven't mentioned at all if you can disable the cloud
| calls. I'm assuming you won't be able to, but if you can, that
| will be a very neat guarantee to have. If that same ability comes
| to an iPhone, I'll be very tempted to break my 10+ year Android
| tenure.
| akmarinov wrote:
| Airplane mode before initiating Siri?
| firloop wrote:
| In the beta builds with Apple Intelligence, it is possible to
| turn the entire feature set off (including cloud calls). Don't
| think you can keep the local features and skip the cloud
| though.
| wyager wrote:
| You could try cutting the AI process from the internet using
| LuLu
| NotPractical wrote:
| You seriously can't disable Private Cloud Compute or Apple
| Intelligence on iOS??
| quenix wrote:
| You can disable the entirety of Apple Intelligence.
|
| You can't enable Apple Intelligence and disable PCC, though.
| trvr wrote:
| I am usually slow to upgrade but I jumped on this and iOS 18
| immediately because of "iPhone Mirroring".
|
| I've only had it for a few minutes, but it's really nice!
| sccxy wrote:
| > iPhone Mirroring is not available in your country or region.
| trvr wrote:
| I'm not taking the bait on that one. ;-)
| hollow-moe wrote:
| is it just what scrcpy has been doing for some years already ?
| jwells89 wrote:
| It forwards notifications to your Mac too, even when a
| mirroring session isn't active.
| isodev wrote:
| But that was already part of continuity or was it
| previously limited to user activities?
|
| It's hilarious that Apple made such a big deal out of it
| and then failed to release it for everyone.
| jwells89 wrote:
| NSUserActivity didn't forward notifications, it just
| provided a way to move whatever you were doing on your
| other Apple devices to the one you're currently using and
| only covered things that the dev specifically
| implemented.
|
| This works for all notifications from all apps.
| isodev wrote:
| Oh interesting! Does it mean that the content of these
| forwarded notifications goest through Apple servers then?
| With no way for the source app to prevent it?
| jwells89 wrote:
| I haven't picked it apart, but if it's like the other
| Continuity features it all takes place locally over
| bluetooth and ad-hoc wifi. There's a possibility that
| their servers are just sending the notifications to the
| user's Macs in the same push that sends them to the phone
| though.
| pohuing wrote:
| So what phone link has been doing for years. But I suppose
| with the integration Apple can do you can just open the
| notification on your mac? Phone link very unhelpfully bings
| the notifying app name...
| cyberpunk wrote:
| Ah I really wanted this too but it seems like it's not
| available in the EU.
|
| Does anyone understand why? Is it apple having a flap about
| recent DMA/Whatever regulations they don't like or is there an
| actual technical reason why what's probably a fancy version of
| VNC can't work without breaching European regulations?
| jwells89 wrote:
| Only speculation, but it might be to try to avoid having to
| support mirroring for Android devices too.
| bri3d wrote:
| It's DMA. Certainly part of it is punitive, but it makes
| sense, too - building and especially supporting
| interoperability for these protocols is a burden that they
| can avoid by not shipping features to the EU. They're free to
| change the key exchange, APIs, wire format, etc. without
| having to deal with documentation, key issuance, etc. outside
| of their walls. And, being forced to open up Screen Mirroring
| would reduce its value as a moat, since someone would
| presumably be able to build an Android client quickly and
| with no reverse engineering work.
| threeseed wrote:
| > supporting interoperability for these protocols is a
| burden
|
| Also an unprecedented and unacceptable privacy and security
| risk.
|
| You would be allowing third parties the ability to
| continuously record your iPhone's screen. Which includes
| websites you browse, apps you open, health information,
| text messages etc.
|
| And the Mac is so much open that you could do this, have a
| local model to transcribe it and ship it to a remote server
| without the user noticing.
|
| There isn't a government or advertising company on this
| planet that wouldn't want to get at this information.
| amluto wrote:
| > Also an unprecedented and unacceptable privacy and
| security risk.
|
| > You would be allowing third parties the ability to
| continuously record your iPhone's screen. Which includes
| websites you browse, apps you open, health information,
| text messages etc.
|
| > And the Mac is so much open that you could do this,
| have a local model to transcribe it and ship it to a
| remote server without the user noticing.
|
| MacOS is not secure in the way you would like to think
| it's secure. This is _already_ risk. And Apple really
| could do this right: make screen mirroring use the DRM
| playback paths, and open up the API to trigger it to
| competitors (who would get precisely the same DRM-
| playback-pathed result of a screen mirror showing up in a
| window from which they cannot read). I don 't really know
| why a competitor would _want_ to compete here, but they
| could.
| threeseed wrote:
| Most people interact with apps like Health on their phone
| not their Mac.
|
| And there are also many third party apps that never made
| Mac versions.
|
| So the amount of data we are talking about exposing is
| significantly higher.
|
| And the issue is that the DMA is ambiguous about what
| competition and interoperability specifically means and
| so it would just take one company to complain about your
| solution for Apple to be fined 10% of global revenue.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Many people log into their Mac using the same credentials
| (Apple ID) that give access to the Health data, and in
| fact Apple makes it really hard or even impossible to use
| it without (you can't selectively grant access, you need
| to use a separate Apple ID but then you lose some useful
| features such as universal clipboard, etc).
|
| This is again a misinformed take. Your Mac can _already_
| get _all_ your iPhone 's data from the cloud where it is
| synced without viable opt-out or compartmentalization.
| threeseed wrote:
| > Your Mac can already get all your iPhone's data from
| the cloud
|
| Only if the data is available in iCloud and there is an
| equivalent Mac app.
|
| Otherwise data from apps like Instagram will be exposed
| exclusively via screen sharing.
| seszett wrote:
| If it's so sensitive and dangerous, how do you explain
| that scrcpy has been available for years under Android?
|
| Are governments recording the screens of Android users?
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| > Also an unprecedented and unacceptable privacy and
| security risk.
|
| Put a prompt up that asks for permission? Failing to
| understand why we're drawing the line on the screen.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| It is sad to see such a misinformed take on a technical
| forum. You can _already_ do everything you want. It will
| take some reverse-engineering work, but it 's possible.
|
| Similar things were said about iMessage interoperability
| with Android, until Beeper proved them wrong. They
| managed to reverse-engineer it, build a compatible client
| and clearly proved Apple's claims were BS (and no, this
| didn't lead to a mass-scale compromise of iMessage,
| contradicting fanboys' claims).
|
| If the feature allows to pull up the iPhone's screen
| without any user consent, then it is vulnerable to begin
| with - the reverse-engineering requirement would become
| an insignificant hurdle compared to the value of such a
| vulnerability. Presumably however, there will be a
| consent step, either on the spot or prior (maybe it can
| reuse the cryptographic pairing mechanism that happens
| when the phone asks you to "trust this computer?" the
| first time), and no third-party (whether using an
| approved API or reverse-engineered) would be able to
| bypass it without the user intentionally consenting.
| cyberpunk wrote:
| So do I understand it correctly; the problem is not MacOS
| having a client app, the problem is iOS acting as the
| server with only apple approved client implementation?
|
| I really don't see how it falls outside of the DMA.
| isodev wrote:
| Apple doesn't say. I also think a Remote Desktop with fancy
| branding shouldn't be hard to release safely and even allow
| 3rd party integrations.
| bri3d wrote:
| They've made a statement, however weak:
| https://archive.is/Rl7Ue
|
| "Due to the regulatory uncertainties brought about by the
| Digital Markets Act, we do not believe that we will be able
| to roll out three of these [new] features -- iPhone
| Mirroring, SharePlay Screen Sharing enhancements and Apple
| Intelligence -- to our EU users this year."
| isodev wrote:
| lol at "uncertainty". It's perfectly clear what they need
| to do (or not do). Oh well.
| kaba0 wrote:
| Then I guess you know better than all the hundreds of
| lawyers actively working out the issues on both Apple and
| EU sides..
| isodev wrote:
| I know that Apple wants their cake and eat it too,
| looking for ways to wiggle out of this while still
| dodging their responsibilities. This is why they need
| years and a small army of lawyers.
| threeseed wrote:
| If it's so clear then tell us what they need to do.
|
| Because the DMA was designed not to be specific about
| what companies are required to do to be in compliance.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Publish the protocol docs. That's literally all that's
| required from them. Actually they don't even need to -
| they can just promise not to sue anyone who reverse-
| engineers it and publishes a commercial client.
|
| That's how adversarial interoperability worked for
| decades (and gave free software the ability to
| interoperate with proprietary formats, see LibreOffice
| for example) before abusing the DMCA and/or threatening
| legal action to take down compatible implementations
| became common practice. I do not recall of any security
| breaches as a result of this.
|
| Apple are however not going to do that, because doing so
| would overnight destroy their moat around Universal
| Clipboard and all their existing interoperability
| features. So instead they make up some bullshit that non-
| technical governments and courts will take years to
| disprove, buying them more time to operate anti-
| competitively.
|
| It is however sad to see a member of a technical forum
| gobble up said bullshit.
| addandsubtract wrote:
| This year
|
| I've been waiting a year for the summarize AI to (not)
| make it to my Google Pixel 8 Pro. It should be known that
| everyone outside of the US get a different product than
| what is advertised online and reviewed on YouTube.
| quitit wrote:
| They haven't given a detailed reason, but pundits who have
| paid more attention to the DMA suggest that it's because the
| feature does not allow 3rd parties to offer the same
| integration.
|
| While the DMA's changes to the app store received the most
| publicity, the DMA mandates for modularity for any feature
| where a home-advantage could be granted by the gate keeper.
| Since features like AI and screen mirroring are already
| established markets with competitors, Apple offering these as
| built in functions could be interpreted as actions against
| the DMA unless they offer a way for others to tap into it via
| APIs.
|
| However this is just a guess. There is a cynical rhetoric
| that it's to punish the EU but this is a pretty flimsy idea
| since it's clear that Apple is relying on these new features
| to propel upgrades to M series macs and new iPhones.
| Currently there exists no tentpole feature for people in the
| EU to upgrade. The other reason is that it's pretty tenuous
| to think that the EU masses will rise up against the EC
| because they don't have screen mirroring or image playground.
| deergomoo wrote:
| This is an interesting one because, to my knowledge, and
| unlike alternative App Stores etc on iOS, there's surely
| nothing stopping an Android phone manufacturer from
| developing a Mac app to offer equivalent functionality?
|
| I'm unsure whether the DMA compels them to provide specific
| APIs beyond the ability to connect to arbitrary devices and
| draw to the screen, and it's maybe a little bit concerning
| if it does. My understanding was that nothing in the DMA
| specifically compelled Apple to create e.g. MarketplaceKit,
| it's just that the alternative would be to open up iOS far
| more than Apple is willing to do.
| cyberpunk wrote:
| I can install a whole number of AppStore or opensource
| apps that allow me to access other machines graphically.
| I really don't see why accessing the GUI on an iPhone
| should be treated any differently than accessing the GUI
| on a terminal server or an android or linux box or
| something.. The argument doesn't really make sense to
| me..
| quitit wrote:
| While your guess is as good as mine. I can see that the
| screen sharing feature goes beyond what is currently
| possible with 3rd party mirroring tools, including
| apple's own earlier tools. For example right clicking
| brings up extensive contextual menus that aren't
| accessible in iOS, and I can see these also leverage the
| continuity features between the platforms.
| samatman wrote:
| Pretty simple really. The EU can't fine Apple for not doing
| business in EU countries, including not rolling out a
| feature. But if they do roll out a feature, EU has decided it
| can fine them 20% of global revenue if it isn't just how the
| EU wants it to be.
|
| Not doing so only costs Apple whatever marginal business they
| expect to lose in EU for not offering this or that feature.
| So I'd expect more of this going forward.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| It's only a matter of time before the EU gets wise to this
| - this move is simply to delay the inevitable and buy
| themselves some more time to act anticompetitively. When
| they feel like the EU is closer to disproving their
| argument (because there is no technical reason this can't
| be opened to third-parties in a secure way), they will
| suddenly announce that they have found some magic and
| miraculous way to do it and release the feature, bringing
| them back into compliance.
| MBCook wrote:
| I'd love to be able to use that at work but since I'm still on
| an Intel Mac (waiting for upgrade cycle) I'm SOL.
| kccqzy wrote:
| Can you elaborate on why it's nice? How do I do multi-touch
| gestures with a single cursor? Is the main benefit be able to
| use iPhone apps on a bigger screen? Can iPhone apps display
| more content (maybe let the app pretend it's being displayed on
| an iPad or at least a larger screen than the physical screen
| size)?
| dbbk wrote:
| > How do I do multi-touch gestures with a single cursor?
|
| The same way you do them on Mac. With a trackpad.
| kccqzy wrote:
| But with a trackpad you cannot see what you are touching.
| You see a single cursor on the screen. If you touch two
| things on your iPhone you know exactly which two things you
| are manipulating. With a single cursor on the Mac, no
| matter how many fingers you use you only manipulate one
| thing.
|
| This seems to me a difficult challenge in mashing up the
| wildly different interaction paradigms. I'd love to see how
| Apple solves it in their new feature.
| dbbk wrote:
| Okay? In what scenario is that an issue
| kccqzy wrote:
| Imagine a game that's supposed to played with a landscape
| orientation. Your left hand control (up/down/left/right)
| is located on the lower left corner. Your right hand
| control (A/B/X/Y) is located on the lower right corner.
| You are expected to touch two controls simultaneously.
| vinay427 wrote:
| Zooming into a map, a picture, a webpage, or quite
| frankly most things would be rather awkward if you didn't
| know where it would zoom in (or if it would always zoom
| into the center of the screen, for instance).
|
| As another comment mentioned, it appears to use the
| cursor position as the pinch-gesture location.
| pohl wrote:
| I'll give you an example, having used it: if you want to
| zoom something, it will take effect where the mouse
| pointer on the screen is.
| jonhohle wrote:
| At least in Sonoma, Screen Time requests crash Messages, fail
| to work properly on iPadOS, but work fine on iPhone. Now I
| can approve requests without having to dig my phone out my
| pocket. A small convenience, but I can't expect them to fix
| Screen Time on macOS any time soon.
| argsnd wrote:
| 95% of my phone usage doesn't require multi touch gestures
| and now I can do that from my laptop when I'm already working
| in it
| andrewmcwatters wrote:
| It is surprisingly slow, though. Like, awfully slow. There's a
| very noticeable latency that's unacceptable for a local device
| sitting right next to the computer.
| rgovostes wrote:
| Apple has been doing low latency screen mirroring for, I
| don't know, a decade. If you find the latency unacceptable,
| consider looking into your network performance.
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| It's kind of wild that it took Apple to make this feature
| before we could get a decent Instagram client on a laptop.
| newZWhoDis wrote:
| I was excited to use this, and confusingly it requires the
| attached phone to use the same Apple ID/iCloud account as the
| Mac!
|
| This makes it practically useless for developers.
| mertbio wrote:
| Thanks to the new API that comes with Sequoia, I developed a new
| translator app for Menu Bar that doesn't require internet
| connection.
|
| If you are interested, please have a look:
| https://apps.apple.com/de/app/offline-translate-translator/i...
| rafaelturk wrote:
| congrats on your App!
| mertbio wrote:
| Thank you!
| swyx wrote:
| what new api?
| hit8run wrote:
| Ubuntu is really good these days.
|
| If you bought into the apple ecosystem with a recent Mac I'd not
| bother. But for those of your running a PC Ubuntu is incredible
| and their new App Store makes finding and installing software
| super easy. My workstation pc with Ubuntu is insanely faster than
| my Mac Studio when it comes to jetbrains IDEs. It's so snappy I
| first couldn't believe the performance diff.
| vardump wrote:
| How would you install Ubuntu on an M1-M3 Macbook?
| rahen wrote:
| https://ubuntuasahi.org/
| isodev wrote:
| If it were me, I'd sell my MacBook and get a max spec KDE
| Slimbook with 96GB RAM.
| addandsubtract wrote:
| If any other laptop had a trackpad like apple, with multi
| touch and gesture support, I would switch.
| imjonse wrote:
| It has been for 20 years :)
| https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-Septe...
| mikaelsouza wrote:
| I don't mean to say your experience isn't real, but that isn't
| what I encountered at all with my last 12 years "waiting for
| Ubuntu to get good" (I am quoting myself here).
|
| Every time I tried to install it to test if it was good,
| something broke for no reason. This happened to me on many PCs
| and many versions of Ubuntu.
|
| The last time I tried 24.04, the installer crashed in the
| middle of the installation and I couldn't finish it.
|
| If someone wants to test Ubuntu, I'd say you should try it, but
| do not get surprised if something very basic seems broken since
| that's my entire experience with the distro. I'd recommend
| Fedora instead.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| Debian stands out as a Linux distribution that "just works"
| IME. Fedora isn't even all that bad, but the short support
| cycle can be problematic if you care about using it reliably
| in production. Debian doesn't have that issue, their "Stable"
| release is just rock solid. It can also be surprisingly
| snappy even on old, very low-end hardware where everything
| else (including every modern web browser) will visibly chug
| or not run at all.
| KaiserPro wrote:
| I've been using linux since a long time (Redhat 5.2)
|
| Much as I like it, its not as convenient to use on a laptop as
| OSX, for every day things.
|
| Plus I like illustrator too much.
|
| For a workstation, yeah, anything with more than one
| processor/GPU will be super fast on ubuntu.
|
| But Gnome is a dick to use nowadays. very opinionated and an
| arse to configure.
| jmward01 wrote:
| A long time ago I started dreading major updates from corporate
| providers. They push features they want, not features I want. It
| got so bad with Microsoft that I fled. Apple's updates have been
| aggressive in resetting my preferences and pushing things like
| iCloud and their login to the point that they are on the
| Microsoft path. I am forced to use mac for work but only because
| of work.
| duped wrote:
| Apple is most certainly _not_ the company you want to purchase
| products from if you 're afraid of major updates. They are far
| more aggressive and eager to break things than Microsoft.
| philistine wrote:
| Back in 1991, there was an uproar, an uproar I tells you,
| because System 7 required nearly a megabyte of memory instead
| of the 600K System 6 could run with. Sure, most users barely
| had more than a megabyte of memory, but it paints a pattern
| for sure.
| DaiPlusPlus wrote:
| Yes, but System 7 wasn't installed on your computer
| overnight without you realising it.
| detourdog wrote:
| At my office it did. We used system when we networked the
| office. I kinda think it didn't really come out until 92
| but release windows lasted years.
| Dalewyn wrote:
| This.
|
| Moving from Windows to Mac because you hate updates is like
| moving from Ubuntu to Red Hat. It's more of the stuff you
| hated except you don't realize it; ignorance is bliss?
| vbezhenar wrote:
| I'm afraid of major updates and I'm using Apple. I usually
| wait around a year before updating and that works for me.
| They release security fixes for old versions.
| andrelaszlo wrote:
| I hope they will fix some bugs as well. The top one on my
| personal list would be fixing broken exfat support
| https://superuser.com/questions/321161/disable-automatic-fsc...
|
| Or maybe Bluetooth automatically switching to "reduced audio
| quality" (I know, I know, it's a feature, not a bug...)
|
| Or wait, the kernel panic I get every once in a while would be
| nice: panic(cpu 1 caller 0xfffffe00318c8a1c): DCP PANIC -
| ASSERT!AppleDCPDPTXPowerController.cpp:538 No device added
| after powering on the rails. HPD=0 - dcpav(27)
|
| I haven't had a system that felt so unreliable since Windows
| 98. :D
| realusername wrote:
| > Or maybe Bluetooth automatically switching to "reduced
| audio quality" (I know, I know, it's a feature, not a bug...)
|
| I don't think I've experienced a single system where
| Bluetooth is working well. Linux, Windows, MacOS, Android,
| iOS all have their share of Bluetooth issues. The Bluetooth
| spec must be beyond broken.
| andrelaszlo wrote:
| Totally agree. I wish my hearing aids had a proprietary
| USB-C dongle or something.
|
| On Linux, my experience has been both better and worse.
| More random disconnects and the need to re-pair is more
| frequent. The nice thing is I can automate the workarounds
| on Linux but can only curse on MacOS :D
| edude03 wrote:
| That kernel panic sounds like a hardware fault just from
| first blush. Sounds like it's turning on some device but the
| device isn't responding after being turned on
| whalesalad wrote:
| I always take a full disk snapshot before full upgrades like
| this (boot into recovery and this is straightforward with a usb
| disk, or use carbon copy cloner) but yep updates in the Apple
| eco system are (knock on wood) very painless.
|
| Back in the day before things like homebrew it was far worse...
| the days of macports and mod_python to run your Django app are
| fortunately behind us.
| _0xdd wrote:
| MacPorts has a pretty slick migration feature now. Not sure
| about Django, but this is the smoothest migration I've
| experienced with MacPorts in over 15+ years.
| queuebert wrote:
| When I hear "updates" instead of "upgrades", it sounds like no
| guarantee of improvement is being made.
| jmward01 wrote:
| That is exactly why I used 'update' in my first comment. I
| stopped calling these things 'upgrades' at least 10 years
| ago.
| leetharris wrote:
| Weird how the title says, "macOS Sequoia is available today,
| bringing iPhone Mirroring, Apple Intelligence, and more to Mac"
|
| Then you look at the paragraph for this and it says, "Coming
| Soon: Apple Intelligence"
|
| They announced this in June, and it's just loosely coming "this
| fall." I have a feeling they are finding it very difficult to do
| anything with any kind of consistency or value on their 8gb RAM
| phones / Macbooks. Their models they have demonstrated so far are
| a relatively low parameter count with LoRA adapters for various
| use cases.
|
| I have a feeling that the majority of Apple Intelligence will
| eventually just be farmed out to their "secure cloud" or whatever
| they were calling it.
| bredren wrote:
| A commonly cited analyst described lower than expected sales of
| iPhone 16 Pro due to AI features not rolling out until October.
|
| https://www.macrumors.com/2024/09/15/iphone-16-pro-demand-es...
|
| I find that a little hard to believe. I would suppose the vast
| majority of customers don't think a lot about the timing of
| software features in a purchase decision.
| freeone3000 wrote:
| It's not as if the hardware features on the 16 Pro are
| groundbreaking -- a slightly nicer camera, a slightly nicer
| display, a slightly nicer battery life, and a $600 upgrade
| fee. No, thank you, the software features are what make-or-
| break the upgrade.
| shinycode wrote:
| Phones nowadays are made to last years, even 6+ years
| easily. So the update this year is not for the people who
| bought it last year but for people with an iPhone X or 11.
| They will see major improvements. But it's silly to update
| (any) flagship phone every year.
| freeone3000 wrote:
| Okay, but then, why upgrade to a 16 Pro instead of the
| much cheaper 15 Pro? The price difference applies there
| too -- there needs to be some reason to get the newest,
| most expensive one. This generation it is not hardware.
| philistine wrote:
| Ming-Chi Kuo is the golden standard for reports on Apple's
| production apparatus. He has the best sources, the best
| leaks, the best insight into very specific discussions
| regarding parts acquisition for Apple.
|
| When it comes to what Apple does with those parts, or market
| segmentation, or sale projection, he's got no special
| knowledge. In this specific case, pardon the technical
| language, but he's full of ...
| yunwal wrote:
| I would guess that the vast majority of customers don't even
| know when a new iPhone is released and therefore don't buy in
| the first few weeks after it's released. Of the customers
| that are aware of the release, I would assume that most are
| aware because they're anticipating new features
| eli wrote:
| If you're not interested in AI features I'm not sure why you
| would wait at all rather than just buy a 15 Pro
| toofy wrote:
| absolutely anecdotal, but from my experience, people who are
| normally excited for iPhones really don't care about AI at
| all.
|
| i think Apple hyping AI so much was a mistake, doesn't have
| nearly the same impact to them as hyping up a new camera
| feature or a new screen or a new color or something.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| The same AI features are coming to the entire iPhone 16 line.
| The major benefit of the 16 Pro, just as with prior
| generations, is a faster SoC and better cameras.
|
| The only reason the iPhone 15 Pro was the only of the 15
| generation to get the AI stuff is that they happened to put
| 8GB in that device, giving it enough headroom to not majorly
| impact user enjoyment trying to cram a multi-GB model into
| memory. But all of the iPhone 16s have 8GB (+?)
| llm_nerd wrote:
| iOS 18.1 and macOS 15.1 -- the versions with the full Apple
| Intelligence -- are both in betas, and there are enormous
| numbers of people blogging and vlogging about their
| experiences. And yes we all realize that on-device models
| aren't going to be competing with trillion parameter models,
| but people are finding it pretty useful.
|
| They just don't feel like it's release ready so they're
| refining. Apple has done this with major releases over several
| iterations now where a couple of features are held back for the
| .1 release while it's perfected.
| andrewinardeer wrote:
| 'perfected' is an interesting word choice.
|
| I'd be more inclined to use 'iterated'.
| whyenot wrote:
| "iterated" implies that there is no improvement. Why do you
| thing 15.1 wouldn't be an improvement over 15.0? I do agree
| with you that "perfected" is also not the correct word
| choice. I think I would have gone with "refined" or
| "improved"
| selimnairb wrote:
| Unless it can be completely turned off I will never upgrade
| and I guess I will be selling my year-old M3 Max in favor of
| some shitty PC (or I'll eventually just run Asahi once it
| supports my hardware well).
| dcre wrote:
| Why is this the line for you? macOS is already doing plenty
| of things it sounds like you wouldn't like.
| selimnairb wrote:
| I don't want an LLM taking 8GB of RAM to do things I
| don't value.
| mattl wrote:
| You can turn it off very easily.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Apples pretty decent about putting toggle switches on
| stuff, for instance you don't _have_ to enable iCloud or
| even associate it with an Apple account if you don 't care
| for FindMy and remote erase etc
|
| But I'm with you, since Apple signaled going all-in on "an
| assistant that has access to everything" I switched to an
| android with the intention of never enabling Google
| services and certainly not the voice assistant.
| Unfortunately I've found it too annoying to go completely
| without Google, I've read that RCS messaging won't work
| with an unlocked bootloader, nor will precise location, so
| I'm stuck with some evil in the name of features parity.
| cflewis wrote:
| At least in Photos, the model is not what one would consider
| working. A quick example: "Halloween with [x]" works, because
| Halloween is recognized as a specific date. It works well.
| Christmas throws it for a loop. Christmas isn't thought of as
| a time but a state. So it'll show photos that look
| appropriately Christmassy, but the picks appear semi-random:
| it'll show one of about five taken in quick succession, but
| the one it picks is someone wearing a Santa hat in profile,
| but the other 4 are straight on and one would think more
| likely to be returned.
|
| I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that being
| unable to properly grok the biggest holiday of the year for
| many Western countries is sufficient.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| That isn't "Apple Intelligence" (which is the generative
| stuff held over to the .1 releases). What you're describing
| is inference metadata + basic search logic and has been in
| iOS and macOS for several major versions now, constantly
| improving.
|
| And given that Christmas resolves to a date (it actually
| offers up the autocomplete of "Christmas Day" to make it
| easier, then simply making the search criteria a calendar
| date), for me it literally shows all photos on Dec 25. I
| guess mileage varies.
| halJordan wrote:
| Apple doesn't say how big the server Foundational model is, but
| it scores around Llama 3 70B, so that range should be it.
| Retr0id wrote:
| I wouldn't be surprised if they're struggling full-stop. Doing
| anything with "apple-level" polish and reliability on current-
| gen LLMs is a challenge. It looks great in demos and maybe even
| 95% of real-world use cases, but the remaining 5% tends to be
| embarrassing.
|
| And it's not just a case of "the last 5% takes 95% of the
| work", it's more like "the last 5% is an open research
| problem".
| minot wrote:
| > "the last 5% is an open research problem".
|
| That is the biggest hurdle, in my opinion. If we could even
| reply with, "sorry, I don't know about that", it would be
| such an improvement over what we have today. Sadly, from what
| I understand, the only way to say "sorry, I don't know about
| that" is to just say that to every single question?
| Filligree wrote:
| There's no specific reason why LLMs couldn't be trained to
| say "Don't know" when they don't know. Indeed, some close
| examination shows separate calculation patterns when it's
| telling the truth, when it's making a mistake and when it's
| _deliberately_ bullshitting, with the latter being
| painfully common.
|
| The problem is we don't train them that way. They're
| trained on what data is on the internet, and people...
| people really aren't good at saying "I don't know".
|
| Applying RLHF on top of that at least helps reduce the
| deliberate _lies_ , but it isn't normal to give a thumbs-up
| to an "I don't know" response either.
|
| ...
|
| Of course, all this stuff does seem fixable.
| mikepurvis wrote:
| Do you think it's really a training set problem? I don't
| think you learn to say that you don't understand by
| observing people say it, you learn to say it by being
| introspective about how much you have actually
| comprehended, understanding when your thinking is going
| in multiple conflicting directions and you don't know
| which is correct, etc.
|
| Kids learn to express confusion and uncertainty in an
| environment where their parents are always very confident
| of everything.
|
| Overall though, I agree that this is the biggest issue
| right now in the AI space; instead of being able to cut
| itself off, the system just rambles and hallucinates and
| makes stuff up out of whole cloth.
| drdaeman wrote:
| > Doing anything with "apple-level" polish and reliability on
| current-gen LLMs is a challenge.
|
| Never stopped them from presenting and shipping previous Siri
| "updates" that haven't made Siri even remotely usable or
| reliable ;-)
| zozbot234 wrote:
| My understanding is that 8GB is plenty enough to play with
| small models (7B or so) in a lightly quantized version.
| (Especially since model params are kept on disk and only really
| "mapped" to RAM, with it acting as a cache.) 4GB is where it
| gets dicey, as you're constrained to tiny models that just
| don't do anything very interesting.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| 7B llama 3.1 takes up 5GB ram loaded up in LM Studio, Ive
| never seen macos idle below 5GB on its own but maybe it can
| pull some swap magic.
| fhdsgbbcaA wrote:
| Yes but if it is running system-wide services the issue is
| what is left over?
|
| They should not be selling 8GB machines, it was always about
| being greedy with upgrades. Now they painted themselves in a
| corner.
| rahen wrote:
| Will Apple Intelligence be available in the EU after all?
| epolanski wrote:
| As an European I very hope not or at least that you can opt
| out.
| flemhans wrote:
| Of course you can opt out!
| graeme wrote:
| No, the DMA very likely bans it. The EU won't say in advance
| and has been loudly threatening fines of 10% of global revenue.
|
| DMA forbids using your platform's data or position to support a
| service without giving third parties equal access. Third
| parties are pretty clearly excluded from screen mirroring or
| running ai on device, so these seem like things Apple can't
| legally launch in the EU.
| rafaelturk wrote:
| Aside from the traditional and expected bells and whistles, are
| there any major core improvements?
| rafaelturk wrote:
| Answering my own question, it looks like window tiling is
| finally solved.
| rgovostes wrote:
| Apple always delivers what its customers want, after all
| alternatives have been exhausted.
| andrewstuart wrote:
| I know I'll be seen as an Apple fanbot for saying it, but holy
| schmoley Apple's operating system-fu just leaves Windows in the
| dust.
| subjectsigma wrote:
| I'm sitting here thinking - man, how is it possible that they
| can make the best laptop hardware no contest, and yet I still
| get blurry icons when connecting to a non-retina external
| display? Something that the cheapest Windows laptop money can
| buy would do flawlessly?
|
| Macs are great and so is macOS, but it's not _that_ good, at
| the end of the day it 's just a computer
| matthew-wegner wrote:
| I realize it's a very Apple ecosystem thing to shore up gaps
| in macOS with 3rd party apps, but BetterDisplay can do this
| for you: https://github.com/waydabber/BetterDisplay
|
| (Run non-retina displays at 2X frame buffer for proper anti-
| aliasing)
| DaiPlusPlus wrote:
| > I realize it's a very Apple ecosystem thing to shore up
| gaps in macOS with 3rd party apps
|
| ...for now; until Apple disallows any kind of system
| extension or desktop UI enhancements.
| veber-alex wrote:
| This is a must have app for macOS.
| subjectsigma wrote:
| Thanks for the advice! I tried downloading this app and set
| both displays to HiDPI and UI elements seemed to sharpen,
| but certain icons are still blurry. I didn't see any
| options related to setting the framebuffer, I assume this
| happens automatically. Will keep experimenting...
| Rendello wrote:
| Interesting, I've never seen a big Github project with only
| a `README.md` before. It looks like they moved the open
| source part to a new branch[1], before halting the open
| development completely (I don't mind, just observing).
|
| 1.
| https://github.com/waydabber/BetterDisplay/tree/opensource
| shamefulkiwi wrote:
| This is awesome. I had just written off the reduced quality
| of my external displays and gotten used to it. I feel like
| I just put my contacts in after turning on HiDPI. Just
| wanted to say thanks!
|
| Edit: Also want to mention that window sizes and various UI
| elements also snapped into their 'intended' locations. Two
| screens, both 1440p, one ultrawide for anyone reading.
| YMMV.
| macrolime wrote:
| Because they want people to buy and use Apple monitors, not
| third party ones.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| That's more on Microsoft's sudden shift to enshittification as
| a business model rather than making good software.
|
| Apple has is actually enshittifying too (dumb UI changes, worse
| apps - see "Catalyst", etc), it's just that Microsoft has
| became a trailblazer in that field so Apple still feels good in
| comparison, despite the many downgrades.
| nottorp wrote:
| Yep, Mac OS is sadly the least shitty option we can get for
| desktops. Don't call it the best, because there is no good
| option.
| xlii wrote:
| I recently got bored of Apple ecosystem. Was considering buying
| System76 for work, but thought that iPhone Mirroring feature
| would be really neat and decided to wait.
|
| Turns out it's not available in EU because yadda yadda Apple
| threw a fit.
|
| Oh well.
| crazygringo wrote:
| > _because yadda yadda Apple threw a fit_
|
| Publicly traded corporations generally engage in strategy. They
| don't "throw a fit".
|
| You're suggesting some kind of emotional immaturity. That's not
| how these corporations generally operate.
|
| I don't know why the iPhone mirroring isn't supported, but I
| can absolutely guarantee you it's not because anybody is
| "throwing a fit".
| redserk wrote:
| This is unnecessarily pedantic. Personifying the behavior of
| a company is not some new concept. It's actually rather
| common.
|
| Because a company itself cannot express emotions, the
| externally facing visible decisions are used as a proxy.
|
| For example, a company raising prices to an unexpected level
| may be described as "greedy". A company executing a series of
| decisions that appears misguided or incalculable may be
| described as "panicking".
| crazygringo wrote:
| > _Personifying the behavior of a company is not some new
| concept. It's actually rather common._
|
| I know, it's common and it's wrong and unhelpful. That's my
| point. It doesn't help us understand the situation better,
| but actively misleads us if we're interested in actually
| analyzing problems and coming up with solutions.
|
| And I just looked it up and it appears that Apple isn't
| supporting it because their reading of the EU law is that
| they'd have to support iPhone mirroring to third parties
| like Windows and Linux, where it would be harder or
| impossible to control the security and privacy.
|
| That's something that can be talked about intelligently,
| whichever side you're on. Saying they're "throwing a fit"
| is not. It's false, and makes the conversation worse for
| all of us.
| KaiserPro wrote:
| > You're suggesting some kind of emotional immaturity
|
| Depends on who's in charge.
|
| Meta has shit PR primarily because Zuck doesn't
| like/understand comms.
|
| Hes bollocks deep in AI because he likes it. Even though it
| costs him shareholder value (dropping those billions on new
| data centres to run massive loss making AI infra. )
| skydhash wrote:
| I've installed Asahi on my mac. Altough I had to recreate some
| utilities, it's so much worth it. With macOS you have to accept
| the good and the bad, and the bad are really annoying. It work
| great for task focused usage, but for personal computing, it's
| a pain.
| andrelaszlo wrote:
| How's your experience? I'm tempted but have so many
| questions:
|
| - Which mac are you using? - Any missing hardware support? -
| Dual booting? - How's Bluetooth? - Anything else that was
| surprising, scary, or disappointing?
| kccqzy wrote:
| Not OP but I use Asahi on my M1 Pro MBP. Hardware support
| is incomplete (Thunderbolt doesn't work for example) but I
| don't need it. One surprising thing is the battery life
| while sleeping but I learned to do a shutdown instead of
| sleeping on it.
| skydhash wrote:
| It's both on my Mac Mini and my MBA (both M1). It work
| great on the Mini. I think bluetooth work, but I have no
| use for it and have never checked. Everything works great
| as far as I know (even virtualization with qemu). I don't
| game on it, so can't say anything about that.
|
| As for the MBA, suspend is still a miss (I read that the
| asahi team can't get certain devices to go to deep sleep,
| so they chose a safer low power mode instead). The lack of
| DP over usb-c is a bit annoying, but I mostly use the
| laptop display on macOS too, so I don't really mind. I
| think thunderbolt is not there too, but I have no
| thunderbolt devices (dock or storage). It boots very fast,
| but I'd recommend against KDE as the MBA gets hot with it.
| I'm using Sway. I heard about microphone issue, but I've
| never used it for calls as I have a usb one on my desktop.
|
| The installation process is as easy as something done in
| the terminal can be. It's pretty much guided (just make
| sure you have enough space for the installation). If I had
| to redo it, I'd choose the minimal installation as I don't
| like KDE that much and it was some pain to remove it.
| haunter wrote:
| >With macOS you have to accept the good and the bad, and the
| bad are really annoying
|
| You can say that about every single OS
| Cyberdog wrote:
| I looked up an article to elaborate on the "threw a fit" part.
| It appears that Apple believes it would have to compromise
| security aspects of iPhone Mirroring in order to do it in a way
| that complies with EU law, so it's choosing to just not offer
| it at all.
|
| https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/28/eu-hits-back-at-a...
| xlii wrote:
| The problem I have with this explanation is that it's 90%
| available sans the magic update.
|
| It's possible to Airplay iPhone to window and see what's on
| the screen. Continuity with iPad work just well so it's also
| possible to control iPad using MacOS.
|
| But combine both and we get into no-no land.
|
| It's not a secret that Apple brings much more revenue from US
| than from EU. I named it a fit, but I'm perfectly aware it's
| a power struggle between EU and Apple and I think it's an end
| of the era.
| alerighi wrote:
| Well, available since a lot of time on Android:
| https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
|
| And it works perfectly. Pair it with kdeconnect and you have
| even a better experience of integration between your phone and
| your PC than with Apple. Only thing that is missing is the
| ability to take calls from the PC, that to be fair, it's not
| something that useful to me (if I want to make phone calls from
| the PC I use my landline number with VOIP).
|
| Again, I see no innovation in the Apple ecosystem, after trying
| it out I'm happy to have returned to Linux+Android, overall a
| better experience. I don't miss Apple at all, it was like being
| in a cage...
| carlosjs23 wrote:
| * Sequoia is available
|
| Proceeds to talk about new App features instead of OS ones.
| isodev wrote:
| "This OS update could have been an app update."
| stetrain wrote:
| When the apps are shipped bundled with the OS by the same
| company, and use new system framework/API features that are
| part of the OS what is really the distinction?
| black3r wrote:
| iPhone mirroring, video conferencing and window tiling
| actually use system frameworks, so it's okay to present them
| as OS features.
|
| New versions of Safari are already available for older macOS
| versions through System Update for a few years, I've already
| downloaded Safari 18 on my Sonoma. And for Passwords,
| Messages, Notes and Maps there's no legit reasons why newer
| versions can't be distributed through App Store, other than
| using their new features as a promo for their new macOS...
| anothername12 wrote:
| Installing it on my mid-2015 MBP thanks to Open Core Patcher!
| benbristow wrote:
| Nice that it can still be supported. Couldn't go back to Intel
| though personally!
| windowsrookie wrote:
| I have an M1 Air 8GB and a 2018 MBP 16GB. Performance feels
| about the same until the Air hits swap, then the old Intel
| MBP still outperforms the M1 Air.
| benbristow wrote:
| One you could probably fry bacon on whilst the battery
| drains in an hour...
| krelas wrote:
| Here's one for HN readers, you can now find jq in /usr/bin/ in
| Sequoia.
| subjectsigma wrote:
| Whoa, you're right. How did you know? The developer notes only
| seem to talk about API changes
| andrelaszlo wrote:
| Is it the BSD jq from 1995? </s>
|
| Jk, thanks for the info! It's nice to know it's available on
| the system by default when writing scripts for my team.
| vbezhenar wrote:
| Now that's the real feature!
| switch007 wrote:
| $ jq '.[] | messages | .thank_you' < strings.json
|
| wait, maybe it's...
|
| $ jq '. | .messages.thank_you' < strings.json
|
| darn it! how about
|
| $ jq '[].messages.thank_you' < strings.json
|
| !??@@!
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| Figuring out what garbage to type into jq is the best thing
| about ChatGPT.
| throwitaway1123 wrote:
| Wow, that might be the best part of the update. System
| Integrity Protection shields /usr, /bin, and /sbin, so I prefer
| to use the system provided executables in those directories
| when possible.
| jxy wrote:
| interesting % /usr/bin/jq --version
| jq-1.6-159-apple-gcff5336-dirty
| rks404 wrote:
| Xcode isn't working with Sequoia for me. Anyone else having this
| issue?
| jgtor wrote:
| Have you updated to Xcode 16?
| matrix87 wrote:
| Honestly most of the time I download these, it's just to get new
| wallpapers
|
| The recent live wallpapers feature is really cool, hopefully
| they've added more
| MBCook wrote:
| They did to tvOS. I'm not sure about macOS but it would be
| nice.
| MBCook wrote:
| Update: they did!
| mrtksn wrote:
| For the first time Apple responded to my bug report through the
| Feedback Assistant and requested more information, so kind of
| feel involved in this :)
|
| So the bug was about the screen recording permission needed for
| some apps, Shottr specifically. Despite me allowing screen
| recording previously macOS Sequoia kept asking me to go into the
| settings and give the permission. According to Apple, that should
| have had happened once a week, so I gave a follow up feedback
| about definitely me not wanting to repeat this more than once.
| Fingers crossed I won't have to fiddle with permission when
| taking a screenshot.
|
| But unfortunately it appears that they only changed the policy to
| do it once a month:
| https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/50dcbf08-a812-4ef4-...
|
| Still better than once a week and the final UI is fine, but IMHO
| it should have an option to disable this behavior.
| mustache_kimono wrote:
| > For the first time Apple responded to my bug report through
| the Feedback Assistant and requested more information, so kind
| of feel involved in this :)
|
| Same here! I think it was re: locatedb not working? Although I
| was much more interested in my Feedback re: why dtrace was
| causing crashes after sleep.
|
| As much as I wish Apple were a more open company, if they just
| responded to Bug Reports, that would be amazing!
| lapcat wrote:
| A _lot_ of people complained by this, including the news media.
| I can guarantee it wasn 't your bug report that spurred the
| change.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Yeah, probably but that's not the point.
| tristanb wrote:
| That looks a little frustrating. I wonder if there is a way
| around it?
| mrtksn wrote:
| It's especially frustrating since you always stumble upon it
| when you have something else in mind, this your flow is
| broken to re-confirm something you did a month ago.
|
| I'm not aware of a fix, hopefully more people will write a
| feedback about it.
| isodev wrote:
| Does it mean macOS will periodically ask me again and again
| that Teams/Zoom/etc need screen recording permissions? As
| if I didn't have enough pop-ups and prompts in my life
| already
| mrtksn wrote:
| I think that's the case. It's doing it for
| Shottr(screenshots app) and Ice(toolbar management app),
| the two apps I regularly use and require that permission.
| ClassyJacket wrote:
| It seems like they could just give you a notification
| reminder once a month that apps have that permission,
| without forcing you to grant it over and over
| lwhi wrote:
| Literally nothing I care about.
|
| As a web developer I'd be happy if Safari usage fell off a cliff.
| atonse wrote:
| I disagree. I like all the privacy protections that Safari
| gives me as a user. And the safari team seems thoughtful (like
| the other browser teams) in how they consider features to
| implement. In fact, I'd like MORE competition in the space, and
| not having one privacy-addicted company dominating the browser
| market.
|
| Even as a web developer, I haven't encountered enough issues
| with Safari to warrant that view and what it would mean (fewer
| privacy protections for web users). In fact, I stopped using
| Chrome years ago because it used to destroy my battery life.
| And Safari always felt more snappy and more "native."
| nottorp wrote:
| > I like all the privacy protections that Safari gives me as
| a user.
|
| ... compared to Chrome, right? Not to Firefox with uBlock
| Origin and Facebook and Google containers ...
| threeseed wrote:
| It's always the worst type of developers who care more about
| their experience than what is best for users.
|
| Having Google, an advertising company, in sole control of how
| the web works is bad for everyone.
| Cyberdog wrote:
| As a web developer, specifically one who started my
| professional career when Internet Explorer 6 had something like
| 85% marketshare, I'm horrified at the idea of a single browser
| engine dominating the space again. It will lead to stagnation
| just as it did back then.
|
| Keep WebKit alive. Open source Presto. Support Ladybird. Hell,
| I believe that Microsoft should never have abandoned Trident...
| switch007 wrote:
| Chromium is at 75.1% (Chrome + Edge + Opera + Samsung), per
| StatCounter
| dkga wrote:
| Does it count all of the chromium based apps that query
| some webpage behind the scenes? Because other than a few
| brave exceptions, my impression is that most apps are
| nowadays glorified (and bloated) websites.
| acheong08 wrote:
| Although I don't use MacOS, the fact that you can now control an
| iPhone from a Mac will probably be reverse engineered to allow
| Linux to do the same at some point. A lot of automation
| opportunities
| MBCook wrote:
| I seriously doubt it. It's heavily secured with capabilities of
| their custom hardware.
| sroussey wrote:
| And it requires pairing and the same Apple account
| kccqzy wrote:
| Bot farms will love that. A lot of websites are using reCAPTCHA
| and similar to prevent automation, but a lot of apps do not
| have anything similar. Maybe they do a jailbreak check and
| that's it.
| dbbk wrote:
| Nope. It uses device attestation.
| lapcat wrote:
| "Available on Mac computers with Apple silicon and Intel-based
| Mac computers with a T2 Security Chip. Requires that your
| iPhone and Mac are signed in with the same Apple ID using two-
| factor authentication" https://www.apple.com/macos/macos-
| sequoia/
| gigatexal wrote:
| I've already upgraded everything in my home. All our phones, our
| watches, our HomePods, our laptops, and our iPads, and the
| AppleTv.
|
| It's pretty cool! Still playing with things but upgrade went
| smoothly and I like the customizability.
| joshdavham wrote:
| Does this "iPhone Mirroring" thing work with iPads, or just
| iPhones?
| gigatexal wrote:
| Hmm dunno. We've a mini and one of the new M4 ones and my
| wife has the M1 air laptop so I'll have to try that out and
| get back to you.
|
| Thanks for reminding me I totally forgot. Gonna try this with
| my phone and my laptop.
| rvz wrote:
| Most likely the second last version of macOS supporting Intel
| Macs.
|
| That is what Apple is not telling you with this announcement.
| dkga wrote:
| Intel Mac owner here. The writing is on the wall...
| graeme wrote:
| I dug into this. Apple's incentives aside, the bulk of
| intel's chips in macs are no longer supported by Intel or
| soon won't be. The more time passes the harder it is to keep
| those machines secure.
|
| This is the best article I found on the topic. Note that once
| a mac is no longer supported for a new os the old os will get
| security updates for two years after that.
|
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/with-macos-sonoma-
| in...
| ithkuil wrote:
| looking forward to use userspace filesystems with fskit !
| quotemstr wrote:
| What does fskit do better than MacFUSE?
| wunderland wrote:
| iPhone Mirroring is insanely well-implemented and it's a
| testament to what only Apple can do. Seamless integration of
| their products and every just works as you expect.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| scrcpy works well too for Android, never had a problem
|
| https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
| minkles wrote:
| Installed it on test machine. Fine. Installed it on main machine.
| Fine. Very boring. Can't find any issues to complain about.
| vzaliva wrote:
| I feel a little disappointed as most new features announced
| pertain to applications shipped with the OS, rather than the OS
| itself. Many of these apps I do not use, as I prefer third-party
| alternatives. For example, I use Firefox instead of Safari,
| Signal instead of Messages, and 1Password instead of Passwords,
| Google Maps instead of Maps.
|
| The only OS-level features mentioned are windows tiling and
| iPhone mirroring. As an Android user, I do not care about the
| latter, either.
| eschaton wrote:
| It's not like OS-level features and improvements aren't in
| every release--Apple's been talking about them since WWDC _in
| developer channels_. Read the release notes.
| sunny_sigara wrote:
| Most annoying problems so far..
|
| 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ?
|
| 2. No more sudo spctl --master-disable. Alternative way is bit
| complicated.
|
| 2. No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper.
|
| 3. Why tcutil reset Accessibility not working for a specific app?
| It works for "All" .
|
| 4. Script to convert NSURL node ref url to posix url not working.
|
| 5. Normal usb Mouse pointer acceleration is not smooth. May be
| need to re tweak those again.
|
| Anything else ? Otherwise all good.
| lostmsu wrote:
| Screen recording breaks remote access apps
| wlesieutre wrote:
| There's a separate entitlement used for remote access
| software without the repeated prompts
| (com.apple.developer.persistent-content-capture), so you
| basically need Apple's permission to build that category of
| software now, and open source remote access software is not
| possible.
|
| So the category of software will still have some working
| entries (existing players will try to get approved, and
| probably will), but it's hard to imagine anyone will want to
| build a new one knowing its viability on modern macOS
| completely depends on filling out a form and hoping Apple's
| approval bureaucracy likes you.
|
| Anyone who's used these unusually locked down entitlements
| know whether you can apply for it before building the
| software, or if App Review needs to have their hands on
| something functional first to approve it?
| antfie wrote:
| In my experience the app submission needs to be fully
| functional and then it will be rejected for this reason.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Apple locking down the OS even more by making Gatekeeper harder
| to bypass makes me want to skip this version for as long as
| possible.
|
| The screen recording permission thing also doesn't help since
| I'm using Ice (https://github.com/jordanbaird/Ice) because
| somehow Apple still can't Sherlock this feature.
| user3939382 wrote:
| The way it's even implemented now is like the nightmare
| realized from everything Richard Stallman warned about for
| decades. Especially for non-technical users, they've
| practically implemented a system where Apple decides what
| software you are and aren't allowed to run on your own
| computer. They can muddy the issue by claiming it's for
| safety/security but I don't buy it. They could have made the
| override still clear but much easier to access.
| adastra22 wrote:
| Anything you compile on your own system you can run. This
| only affects downloaded binaries.
| IshKebab wrote:
| Thanks for confirming the nightmare.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| I mean, you can download source if you want to run it. It
| isn't a complete nightmare yet. I think we're still in a
| grey area. This will help some people still, though it'll
| definitely hinder others (myself included).
|
| Once you need to be in the apple developer program to
| build and run from source or something, that'll be a
| legitimate nightmare. But we're nowhere near that yet.
| skrrtww wrote:
| > Once you need to be in the apple developer program to
| build and run from source or something, that'll be a
| legitimate nightmare. But we're nowhere near that yet.
|
| This is the case for building and running things with
| restricted entitlements and system extensions.
|
| Unless you disable system integrity protection entirely,
| which locks you out of your purchased App Store software,
| DRM content, etc.
| conradev wrote:
| > They could have made the override still clear but much
| easier to access.
|
| The level of difficulty is absolutely intentional. For you,
| it's a small speed bump. For the guy on the phone with my
| grandma trying to hack her computer, it's more of a hill to
| climb.
| n42 wrote:
| > No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper
|
| Can someone expand on this? How do you run software that isn't
| code signed?
| crindy wrote:
| Before this update you could hold control and click the
| application, then select "open" from the menu. It would give
| you a warning and let you confirm you'd like to run it
| anyway.
| givinguflac wrote:
| From the same place is system security settings you could
| always approve it, bummer about ctrl click though.
| jiripospisil wrote:
| > The right-click/control-click option for easily opening
| unsigned apps is no longer available. Users who want to open
| unsigned software will now need to go the long way around to
| do it: first, try to launch the app and dismiss the dialog
| box telling you that it can't be opened. Then, open Settings,
| go to the Privacy & Security screen, scroll all the way to
| the bottom to get to the Security section, and click the Open
| Anyway button that appears for the last unsigned app you
| tried to run.
|
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/macos-15-sequoia-
| mak...
| weaksauce wrote:
| at least it's still possible (and maybe more accessible) if
| not a bit more inconvenient. the ctrl-click thing was kinda
| a hidden feature.
| wpm wrote:
| Precisely the kind of hidden feature that makes it easy
| for power users to bypass the "rules" Apple imposes on
| the platform, while still making it highly likely every
| day users won't know how to bypass the rules meant to
| protect them.
|
| More and more, I find that these sorts of "we know best"
| attitudes towards security utterly distasteful and the
| total opposite of empowering. Infantilizing, more like.
| IshKebab wrote:
| We're getting closer to the bottom of the slope! I wonder
| what their next step will be.
|
| 1. Need to disable gatekeeper to run unsigned code. 2. Need
| an active developer account. 3. You can't run downloaded
| unsigned code.
| api wrote:
| That's when I think about jumping ship. If they require
| the App Store that's the end.
| Pesthuf wrote:
| One huge step closer to iOS. Damn it. I actually liked
| macOS but these changes are terrible for everyone but the
| most basic users.
| captaincrowbar wrote:
| Does the command line to remove the quarantine flag (xattr -d
| com.apple.quarantine filename) still work?
| lapcat wrote:
| Yes.
| deergomoo wrote:
| I'm having difficulties with the keyboard shortcuts for the new
| window snapping stuff. My desk keyboard doesn't have a Globe
| key (like most non-Apple keyboards), but the shortcuts don't
| work with Caps Lock remapped to Globe. It doesn't work with the
| MacBook's built-in keyboard either, so I think it's a bug
| rather than an issue with my keyboard.
| ericol wrote:
| Thank you for this. I'm not an advanced user but I do use some
| advanced features, and having to fight the OS in order for it
| to make what I want is not in my list of desirable "features".
|
| Will delay this update as long as possible.
| clumsysmurf wrote:
| Seems that bclm no longer works
|
| https://github.com/zackelia/bclm/issues/49
|
| I had to start using it because macOS insisted on keeping my
| battery charged to 100% no matter what I did, and that can
| damage the battery.
| kemayo wrote:
| > 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ?
|
| Every month.
|
| (Which is still annoying, but not the raw level of frustration
| that weekly would be.)
| simonebrunozzi wrote:
| Thank you all for beta testing Sequoia for the rest of us!
|
| Jokes apart: I tend to wait 2-3 months at least before upgrading.
| There's usually a number of security fixes, and a number of bug
| fixes, in the first, well, 2-3 months after a new Mac OS goes
| live. After that, things become quite stable.
| greentext wrote:
| It's a great time to switch to Linux.
| RadiozRadioz wrote:
| I feel left out sometimes given that I'm still on Mojave.
| Everyone else is enjoying their new features.
|
| But I also like running 32-bit apps and knowing where the system
| preferences are (because they haven't changed every year for me).
| So swings and roundabouts.
| codepoet80 wrote:
| Right there with ya. They can pry my perpetually licensed
| pseudo-32-bit copy of Photoshop off my cold dead Mac Pro...
| thesquib wrote:
| There really doesn't seem to be much here that's worthwhile? I'd
| love it if someone made a better macOS settings app, the current
| one feels like it's made to be used on an ipad or touchscreen
| device.
| aetherspawn wrote:
| Well, 1Password must be feeling pretty sour about how Apple
| Passwords app is a complete 1:1 clone.
|
| They don't do licenses, credit cards or ssh keys yet so we
| probably won't switch... yet
| poszlem wrote:
| More importantly - it doesn't work on anything but apple
| hardware.
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| yeah, but at least it's not an Electron app
| graeme wrote:
| 1password's biggest clientele use Team accounts. Does Apple
| support that?
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| The second sentence invalidates your first - there's a lot of
| things it doesn't do compared to 1Password.
|
| However it also doesn't randomly crash or simply refuse to
| autofill in Safari, so, I already switched.
| quotemstr wrote:
| Can we finally call poll(2) instead of select(2) on a pty?
|
| https://nathancraddock.com/blog/macos-dev-tty-polling/
|
| Apple is doing a lot of great things in systems fundamentals, but
| I wish they'd take some time to clean up warts in their POSIX
| implementation.
| Daub wrote:
| From TFA: 'Highlights automatically surfaces directions for a
| location'
|
| Is that a mistype? In an apple advertisement? Regardless, the
| whole thing feels like it has been written by a high school
| student. Try reading the following without wincing:
|
| 'A redesigned Reader allows users to read articles more quickly
| with a streamlined view, a summary, and a table of contents, and
| a new Viewer helps users put videos front and center while still
| giving them full access to system playback controls.'
| egypturnash wrote:
| Best new feature: Passwords are a separate app again instead of
| being a shitty, illegible panel in the inexplicably-unresizable,
| cramped, tiny-text hell of the iOSified system prefs.
|
| Maybe in a couple more major versions we'll have a re-re-designed
| system prefs app that actually looks like a desktop app again!
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| "Again"?
| sthatipamala wrote:
| They were previously in "Keychain Access," which was
| primarily an app for administrators so it was also a pretty
| bad UX.
| imbnwa wrote:
| How did they F that up so badly
| sylens wrote:
| Is it possible to set a custom keyboard shortcut for the native
| window tiling commands?
___________________________________________________________________
(page generated 2024-09-16 23:00 UTC)