[HN Gopher] Wild Mustang and Burro Freeze Marks (2020) [pdf]
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       Wild Mustang and Burro Freeze Marks (2020) [pdf]
        
       Author : 082349872349872
       Score  : 31 points
       Date   : 2024-09-09 11:36 UTC (3 days ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (mustangheritagefoundation.org)
        
       | leejoramo wrote:
       | It is interesting all the different ways we have to encode data
       | adapted to specific purposes.
       | 
       | As a child in the late 1970s, my family adopted a wild burro in
       | California. My parents had her for over 30 years. I remember she
       | had these freeze marks although you would have needed to shave it
       | to read it. Burros are much shaggier than horses.
        
         | chadd wrote:
         | what was it like owning a wild burro?
        
           | leejoramo wrote:
           | She was mostly a pet, and was very gentle and easy to lead.
           | 
           | We also had horses. The burro was useful for training the
           | horses to behave in a herd because she while she enjoyed
           | being in the group she held herself outside of the horse's
           | hierarchy and would not be bullied
           | 
           | She was very adapt at wading into thorny blackberry bushes
           | and eating only the ripest berries
        
             | downut wrote:
             | How was she around dogs? Burros in AZ attack dogs. Had one
             | harass our dog all night while camping, had to put the poor
             | thing in the truck, it was terrified.
        
               | leejoramo wrote:
               | Our burro loved our dogs and would come up to them to
               | exchange greetings. I think she was far more interested
               | in them than the horses.
               | 
               | I suspect the burros you encountered had been themselves
               | harassed by dogs in the past.
        
               | downut wrote:
               | Yeah, I dunno, I've seen a lot of burros and this was
               | pretty far off the beaten path. It was a major surprise
               | for us that this burro hated dogs. OTOH I've seen a lot
               | of horses and dogs working together (hunting, say?) and
               | never seen anything negative happen. Why would burros be
               | any different? So maybe it had been harassed. Given it's
               | aggressiveness (literally a few feet from us) it would be
               | a really bad idea for a dog to screw with it.
        
               | CamperBob2 wrote:
               | Harassed by coyotes, maybe, so aggressive around anything
               | that looks vaguely coyote-like?
        
               | HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
               | Maybe. I've lived with horses long enough to know that
               | some of them are just assholes.
        
             | quercusa wrote:
             | > _She was very adapt at wading into thorny blackberry
             | bushes and eating only the ripest berries_
             | 
             | That's a handy skill. Once you taste about-to-fall-off ripe
             | ones, you can never go back.
        
       | ofcrpls wrote:
       | So basically VINs for Mustangs in the wild.
        
       | jensenbox wrote:
       | I want one on my head!
        
         | CamperBob2 wrote:
         | I think you'd find the article's assertion that the mark is
         | "painless" is a bit overoptimistic. Liquid nitrogen feels about
         | like being burned with a soldering iron (having used it before
         | to remove warts).
        
       | buran77 wrote:
       | > The hair at the site of the mark will grow back white and show
       | the identification number
       | 
       | Is freezing a follicle turning the hair permanently white? I
       | couldn't find anything on the mechanism. I'm surprised that
       | people who are into body art (tattoos, piercings, etc.) didn't
       | pick something like this up.
        
         | MillironX wrote:
         | It specifically kills the pigment cells within the follicle,
         | causing the hair to grow back white [1].
         | 
         | If this case study [2] is anything to go by, then it would seem
         | it isn't that effective on humans.
         | 
         | [1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1494747/
         | 
         | [2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8166665/
        
           | ndileas wrote:
           | In that case (fascinating reading!), the person used far too
           | cold of a solution, applied it for too long, and in
           | consequence suffered a really bad injury, possibly compounded
           | because she didn't seek treatment for 2 and a half weeks.
           | Also, it was on a forearm, not the head or other hairy areas,
           | so the mechanism of marking was more "kill the whole skin"
           | than "kill pigment cells" specifically.
           | 
           | It could be done in a much safer manner - I don't think it
           | really proves much about effectiveness overall.
        
       | motohagiography wrote:
       | what an elegant system. the even numbers are in the square and
       | odd in the diamond. I knew the alphabet variation on this as the
       | masonic cipher or pigpen.it doesn't appear to be in use anywhere
       | else in spite if it being called the international alpha angle
       | system though.
        
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