[HN Gopher] She Ate Poppy Seed Salad Just Before Giving Birth. T...
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She Ate Poppy Seed Salad Just Before Giving Birth. Then They Took
Her Baby Away
Author : stareatgoats
Score : 45 points
Date : 2024-09-09 20:37 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| puttycat wrote:
| Seinfeld, season 6 episode 17:
|
| Elaine takes a urine test in order to go on a work trip to Kenya
| with her boss, J. Peterman. She tests positive for opium. Elaine
| insists she has never taken drugs, but when a frantic Kramer
| shows up at her office begging her to let him use her normal-
| pressure shower, Peterman mistakes him for a drug addict and
| fires Elaine. Elaine realizes that the test is picking up the
| poppy seeds in her favorite muffins.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shower_Head
| speckx wrote:
| When life imitates art, and art imitates life.
| ortusdux wrote:
| The DOD reciently warned service members that they should avoid
| eating them as well -
| https://media.defense.gov/2023/Feb/21/2003164614/-1/-1/1/POP...
| garciasn wrote:
| My daughter was born with some serious issues landing her in the
| NICU for nearly a week two or three days after she was born. Soon
| after, I was pulled into a small room with a social worker,
| several healthcare providers (nurses and doctors) and a police
| officer. I was peppered with questions about what drugs my then-
| wife had been taking during her pregnancy. I was honestly aghast;
| this was a woman who spent both pregnancies puking into garbage
| bags she carried with her everywhere because she refused to take
| the anti-nausea medication she was prescribed to keep things down
| and other than the epidural, she refused to take even OTC
| painkillers or drinking caffeine of any sort (decaf or not)
| during her pregnancy for fear of repercussions to the babies down
| the line. This was on top of her STRONG aversion to even cannabis
| and only occasional wine drinking in what most would consider
| only a slight step above teetotaling.
|
| While I can completely and utterly understand the medical
| profession's careful monitoring of a situation, particularly when
| it comes to negative birthing outcomes in the US, the first
| response should not be the vilification of parents until they are
| 1099% sure they have evidence that supports such action.
|
| But, then again, when we had our first kiddo and she received an
| incorrectly inserted epidural there wasn't even a single apology
| from anyone, let alone the anesthesiologist who let the epidural
| leak into her skin, eventually puffing up the skin to a
| noticeable bubble, rather than where it was supposed to be,
| leaving her in excruciating pain to the point where I had to
| scream at the nurse's station for 45 straight minutes until
| someone would listen instead of just telling me she was fine and
| we were overreacting. Or the doctor who was stitching her up
| afterward, lacking any and all bedside manner, by saying he
| should have taken a before and after photo of her vagina, in
| front of me and my wife, because he had done such a great job.
|
| When it came to our stay in the NICU: we were asleep in a room on
| another floor, our first in 40+ hours, they performed surgery on
| our daughter w/o asking our permission or informing us first
| because they attempted to call the room we were in but we didn't
| answer--only later to find out that the room's phone had been
| removed and wasn't there. No one thought to come to the room or
| even call the nurses' station literally next to the room to have
| them ask/inform us of the surgery first.
|
| But, sure, go ahead and add on immense stress in one of the most
| stressful situations of our lives through false accusations while
| protecting your doctors to the nth degree.
| getcrunk wrote:
| Holy shit! What hospital?
| OutOfHere wrote:
| Holy Shit Hospital.
|
| Fwiw, the hospital noted in the article (not in the parent
| comment), is Kaiser Permanente hospital in Santa Rosa, in
| Northern California.
| OutOfHere wrote:
| These could be fair opportunities to rightfully sue the
| hospital for emotional harassment and more. If you don't sue
| the hospital, nothing will change.
| ipython wrote:
| My wife was almost killed due to a botched surgery (for
| cancer). She felt bad for weeks afterward - and every time we
| returned, we were told she "just needed more time". So I
| finally admitted her to the ER where they declared she was in
| septic shock.
|
| I inquired about suing (to some attorneys who specialize in
| this sort of thing) and was basically told that there was
| little chance of any recovery, and it would be a large burden
| on us to literally re-litigate the entire traumatic event. So
| we passed.
| OutOfHere wrote:
| The trick is to settle out of court before the full case
| plays out in court. If they choose not to settle, you still
| don't have to continue with the case if you don't want to.
| ipython wrote:
| This sounds like something the attorneys would have
| suggested if they thought it was worth the time. I don't
| mean to be snippy, but have you done this? It's easy to
| make this comment online- it's a whole other thing to
| actually go through with it on top of all your other life
| stressors and reliving the trauma. I would welcome your
| story, so I can learn on how best to approach if there is
| ever a next time.
| OutOfHere wrote:
| Btw, even if there is no "recovery", the doctor's
| insurance will still shoot up due to the judgment against
| the doctor, which can be a desirable outcome. If good men
| do nothing, the same doctor will kill someone the next
| time. As a motivating example, please lookup "Florida
| surgeon removes man's liver instead of his spleen,
| causing his death". This doctor had been injuring people
| for a while, nothing was done, and finally he killed
| someone. Frankly, it seems that the attorneys you spoke
| to were not the right ones for the task.
|
| The thing about trauma is that you're already reliving
| it. You came here to share the story which is proof of
| this. I understand though that life can be burdensome as
| it is, with no time for a difficult lawsuit.
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| In all honestly this looks more like swiss-cheese issue than
| systematic problem.
|
| Post-op vagina pics is quite funny one, but I can see not
| working at that moment.
| falcolas wrote:
| Yes, a photo of an unnaturally tightened vagina, giving the
| wife discomfort or outright pain during sex going forward
| in an effort to "make the vagina tighter for the husband",
| sounds fucking hilarious.
|
| Especially since they very rarely ask if they can do it,
| and if they do, they ask the husband. It's surprisingly
| barbaric in this day and age.
| doctorpangloss wrote:
| > She wondered aloud what neighbors would say if they saw her
| daughter playing in the mud, if someone might accuse her of being
| a bad parent.
|
| I can't really get inside the head of the assholes who judge kids
| playing in the mud. It's real.
|
| > The day after Smith delivered her son, a doctor told her that
| she and her baby had tested positive for meth and that the
| hospital had notified child protective services... Smith's
| husband, Michael, asked the doctor to review his wife's medical
| records to confirm her prescription, according to the doctor's
| notes.
|
| Is there a reckoning coming for OB/GYN training in America?
| falcolas wrote:
| Yes, but (unfortunately) not from this. From fewer and fewer
| states having candidates come to train in those states to
| become an OB/GYN due to the restrictive abortion laws. Not to
| mention the experienced OB/GYN are leaving for the same reason.
| petermcneeley wrote:
| There was a talk show host that use to talk about this about 15
| years ago. I tried but I cannot seem to find any clips of him on
| youtube.
| irowe wrote:
| Not a talk show, but the pilot season of Mythbusters tackled
| this. They registered some false positives and the test
| manufacturer refused to admit it was possible.
| falcolas wrote:
| Yeah. That was really eye opening. They had to go to a proper
| lab to have the false positive properly assessed. And they
| had that false positive for close to 24 hours, as I recall.
| OutOfHere wrote:
| Sue the hospital is all I can say. Also sue the social worker
| personally, and their employer too. Document and record
| everything.
|
| Be careful about making any statements that could be misconstrued
| as evidence against you, but feel free to yell at the staff
| (never at the police) to show your immediate disgust.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| Sue the social worker personally, this represents exceptionally
| poor judgment and critical thinking skills. Truly bottom of
| their class, local governments hiring the bottom of the barrel.
| Costco would even have a digital receipt for any member
| purchase if they discarded the paper one. Wouldn't police at
| least have to have probable cause before even running a test
| like this?
|
| 1 visit to this families home the day after should have been
| sufficient to clear this up.
| anigbrowl wrote:
| _Federal officials have known for decades that urine screens are
| not reliable. Poppy seeds--which come from the same plant used to
| make heroin--are so notorious for causing positives for opiates
| that last year the Department of Defense directed service members
| to stop eating them._
|
| Absolute meme country. Why do we institutionalize such stupidity?
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| Because it's cheaper than trying to design higher quality or
| more specific tests.
| ChainOfFools wrote:
| By selecting for efficient test taking robots at the critical
| gateways to the graduate level education necessary to obtain
| these decision-making "leadership" roles.
|
| A comparable phenomenon is at work in medical school
| admissions, with similar results that lead to the sort of
| appallingly callous group-preservation outcomes described in
| the original article and some of the comments here.
|
| The entire system is irreversibly broken at the most
| fundamental levels, as this same class of decision makers are
| the ones who are consulted when developing the next round of
| gatekeeping tests and curricula.
| OutOfHere wrote:
| Technically, heroin should be legal just like marijuana is legal.
| It was used for thousands of years as a minor addiction and
| without harm, providing much needed relief to people. (I'm not
| saying it's suitable for prenatal use.) The pharma industry will
| never allow it to happen, preferring to sell their narcotics
| instead.
| tokai wrote:
| The drug testing nonsense in the US is the weirdest thing. Here
| it seems that it even supplant the actual thing you want to
| achieve - identifying children with development damage from the
| mothers drug abuse. If the child is perfectly healthy it
| shouldn't matter what any drug test states. It's like the testing
| is more important than the outcome.
| adamnemecek wrote:
| Why is the US government like this?
| ipython wrote:
| My son was embarrassed that he wet himself during class one day
| (he's way too old for this, we've had him medically evaluated and
| come out with no medical issues, etc... he just will get
| engrossed in screens and relieve himself because he doesn't want
| to leave to the bathroom).
|
| Anyway the substitute teacher that day believed his sob story
| about how angry his mother would get when she finds out he's
| soiled himself, and this ends up in a referral to child
| protective services. A case agent is assigned, comes to visit the
| house while I'm out of town (we had no idea until she showed up
| at the door). Thankfully, no action was taken. But now we have
| this "black mark" on our record as parents for five years.
|
| I get why these agencies exist, and there are real problems out
| there. But to be caught up in these bureaucratic regimes is a
| total nightmare, as you're presumed to be a total douchebag until
| proven otherwise. It's terrifying.
| falcolas wrote:
| It's the classical problem of how do you provide protection for
| someone with no power in a relationship against the person with
| all the power in a relationship.
|
| Do you believe the rape victim, or the rapist? The child or the
| parent? The physically/mentally disabled or their care givers?
|
| Sadly, there's been too many people in power who have proven
| themselves to be assholes to just trust the people with the
| power when they say they're not assholes.
| jimt1234 wrote:
| The article seems to focus on the unreliability of drug testing,
| which is a great topic, but IMHO, the real issue here is mothers
| being drug-tested, seemingly without their consent or knowledge.
| Furthermore, I feel like focusing on the reliability of drug
| testing (again, a great topic) implies the practice of drug
| testing mothers is acceptable. It's not. We all wanna protect
| babies, and punish bad parents, but why does this seem to always
| fall on mothers/women? Yes, I know there's plenty of laws that
| _could_ apply to fathers, but I 've never heard of a dude getting
| drug-tested without his consent as a condition of fatherhood.
| lazyasciiart wrote:
| Because many people really really want to criminalize using
| drugs while pregnant. Some states already have.
|
| Edit: Washington state updated their state guidelines so that
| if a baby tests positive for opiates _and they match a
| prescribed medication the mother is taking_ then they don't
| need to make a report to CPS. You literally had news articles
| screaming that babies would die because of this change.
|
| e.g this article is a good example of the coverage: mostly they
| never even explained that it had to be a prescribed drug to get
| out of reporting https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-
| news/health/wa-hospital...
| jimt1234 wrote:
| Also, CPS is a joke:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40379325#40381801
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